#bitcoin-wizards on 2016-03-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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23:14 <psztorc> Can someone recommend a blockexplorer which shows the actual data that has been inserted into coinbase txin? They all seem to just retun the square-?s.

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23:18 <belcher> Psztorc idk but theres a big list of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ku9Nlo_TwhE_gLX3oDmRURbvc_iB_7j90MyfCG69zLw/edit#gid=0

23:18 <psztorc> Ok, thanks, I'll keep trying them.

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23:20 <belcher> and we've written down every one we could find here too https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/64

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23:37 <psztorc> I think I just have to use the API to get the JSON...I did not find a blockexplorer which does this. : (

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23:41 <fluffypony> to get the raw json?

23:41 <fluffypony> I mean the json representation of the raw tx

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23:42 <psztorc> Well, so far I'm just shooting for "more specific than 'square square square'".

23:44 <fluffypony> Psztorc: what about http://bitcoinstrings.com ?

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23:48 <psztorc> fluffypony: that looked promising, but it appears to only go up to block 465.

23:48 <fluffypony> Anduck: ^^

23:49 <psztorc> I'm just trying to make one helpful merged-mining graphic...it is taking forever.

23:49 <Anduck> Psztorc: it's the blockfiles, not block#'s

23:50 <psztorc> Anduck: haha, ok, it isn't (directly) indexed by block at all?

23:50 <psztorc> Do I just find the right blockfile and sort of scroll to where I think it should be?

23:50 <Anduck> yup

23:51 <Anduck> there's no info about block#'s. i guess there are some sites which do the same but have indexed it better

23:52 <gmaxwell> Psztorc: the "square ?s" is how your browser is rendering arbritary unescaped binary data.

23:53 <gmaxwell> for merge mining, thats pretty much all there is. A hash.

23:53 <psztorc> I don't understand why I don't just see a hex hash, like I do in every other Bitcoin place.

23:54 <gmaxwell> because they're not decoding the data as hex.

23:55 <gmaxwell> presumably because many miners put strings with their claimed identity in blocks, and if that was displayed as hex it would be unreadable.

23:55 <gmaxwell> (It's likely that any site doing the box? is XSS vulnerable too)

23:56 <psztorc> Hmmm...I am just trying to demonstrate that merged-mining does what it says it does, by pointing to the data in a coinbase txin.

23:57 <psztorc> I thought it would be most persuasive if it was just a screenshot of something (two somethings) that the audience could just visit.

23:57 <psztorc> Like this: http://explorer.namecoin.info/blocks/block_19200.txt

23:57 <psztorc> Maybe. But it seems that that won't work.

23:58 <belcher> on a similar vein, is there any place to quickly get a raw block header? i was explaining PoW to someone the other day, it wouldve been nice to hash a real header and show difficult it was to generate, yet how anyone can verify it

23:59 <gmaxwell> belcher: getblock in the bitcoin core RPC and just take the first 80 bytes out of it.

23:59 <phantomcircuit> Psztorc, that's not going to work, merged mining data is generally a hash of some other info

23:59 <belcher> no easier place? that requires having a full node accessible

23:59 <phantomcircuit> and mostly the block explorer thingies dont display it as hex