<tuxbrain>
and it's over!!!! atben 100% yield , 135 bright and powerful tiny boards tested and filling my head with 2,4GHz waves!!! atusb not bad just 3 down so 117 totally operative (116 if the sugru thing fails)
<wpwrak>
whoohoo !! :)
<roh>
nice. congrats.
<wpwrak>
100% yield for atben makes sense. it's quite simple and has no mechanical components at all. so the yield - if non-zero - should be very high
<wpwrak>
atusb is more complex and has a mechanical component, hence more trouble
<roh>
you mean the usb plug?
<tuxbrain>
sugru:report, well now it pas the gpios but the spectrum still as low as before, I will test tomorrow night  to see there is any improvement
<wpwrak>
roh: yup. i was a bit worried about this one. it "snaps" in. far from ideal for SMT.
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: (sugru) good. so the surface has cured and is no longer conductive. but the core still is. it may still work. this kind of stuff usually cures at ~8 h/mm.
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: yeah, luckly the local smt fab are kind guys and had remove the anoying part of the panel, I'm sure in less considerated fabs, we will have a mess instad of a cool usb plug
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: you put about 2.5 mm. if we assume that the inside cures much more slowly, due to limited access to air, about 24 h would be the minimum until you can expect useful results
<tuxbrain>
ok ok you know wait is not my strong point
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: (nice smt guys) weren't they in the loop when you discussed panelization with the PCB fab ? i thought they were. well, anyway the way the board was panelized, removing that part was easy.
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: (wait) it'll cure while you sleep ;-)
<tuxbrain>
sleep? what's that? ah! the thing my family does when I'm working
<wpwrak>
they must have enjoyed a few rather restful days :)
<tuxbrain>
nah, my family also goes to the park while I'm working, my daughter goes to school while I'm working and my wife also enjoys tv while I'm working....
<tuxbrain>
feels soooo sad
<wpwrak>
so they figured out that it's a bad idea to try to sync with you ;-)
<wpwrak>
why ? were you hoping for a few interesting failures to spend the rest of the night on analyzing ? ;-)
<tuxbrain>
nah, this month is specially hard in workload (you also know some of the reasons) and I miss to spend time just sitting in the sofa or listening my daughter theories about live
<tuxbrain>
with nothing else in the head
<tuxbrain>
that's the worst part, even if I found 5mins to sit down, there is a lot of mess in the head
<tuxbrain>
ok a lot money save on psiquiatrics thanks to IRC
<tuxbrain>
I think the announce post will be rescheduled for tomorrow at some point, no enough stamina today
<tuxbrain>
gonna sync with may family for 4 hours, tomorrow I need to look less an dungeon beast than I look now
<wpwrak>
hehe ;-)
<wpwrak>
the green PASS will haunt your dreams ;-)
<wpwrak>
and the squiggly white snake in the red tunnel
<tuxbrain_PASS>
aaaaargh no the dancing white line and the green dot!!! aaaaarg
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_PASS: for the next run, you should try the testing with psychedelic drugs. the repetitiveness and general strangeness of the setting ought to produce interesting effects ;-)
<tuxbrain_HxxHhzo>
mmmm drugs.... so far in time and so ... not  tuxbrain bad boy bad boy, not until june has pass by :P
<tuxbrain_HxxHhzo>
PASS by
<wpwrak>
should add audio indications to the testing process
<wolfspraul>
tuxbrain_away: for my atben/atusb order, do you have some stuff you need to ship back to Taipei? Maybe some returned nanos, or even more important, the jtag-serial pods from your m1 and hopefully the ones you got from h:d?
<wolfspraul>
I would like to combine it all into one shipment you can send with a good courier...
<wolfspraul>
I'll send you a mail :-)
<toenail>
Hi, I have an Intel d915pcy Motherboard, and the front panel (in particular: the Firewire por) is not working. I've downoaded the manual and connected everything correct.
<toenail>
I've also check Intel's site for a 1394 driver, and nothing. I also, updated the Bios software,and yet, nothing
<DocScrutinizer>
shouldn't the channel's /topic be a *bit* more specific, and also have some URL to a relevant website?
<wpwrak>
larsc: hmm, does 6960c45fc0eefbd9ae025fe35121e7eb4efd2bfb (in jz-2.6.38) have any known issues besides what you fixed in 7968eee8c23b92d5a6b064dc020f7397e6016421 ?
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer: yes, good point!
<wpwrak>
larsc: i seem to have a regression (USB doesn't enumerate anymore) that points to this. not entirely sure yet, though
<DocScrutinizer>
I mean, freenode users picking channels from chanlist based on what's in the /topic
<DocScrutinizer>
so a bit more descriptive topic wouldn't really hurt
<wolfspraul>
we need a super short explanation what copyleft hw is
<wolfspraul>
"copyleft hardware is built out of free knowledge"?
<wpwrak>
how about "HHHH0HzH.HxHxHHHh.oHzHH0HH" ? at least tuxbrain will find it exceedingly descriptive ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
keep in mind that most IRC clients allow searching chanlist incl topics by regex
<DocScrutinizer>
so a few buzzwords would help as well
<wolfspraul>
sure, like I said let's find something and change it
<DocScrutinizer>
"hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote and other community driven hw projects"
<wolfspraul>
sure why not. I need to find out how to change the topic...
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer: don't you have those topic-changing superpowers already?
<rjeffries>
DocScrutinizer the chan topic reads fine IMO
<DocScrutinizer>
rjeffries: OK
<kyak>
tuxbrain_away: huh? 5 minutes ago AtBEN-AtUSB Combo was 59 EUR
<kyak>
now it is 50 EUR
<kyak>
should i wait another 5 minutes? :)
<kyak>
ah, 5 minutes ago i wasn't registered.. That's interesting
<tuxbrain_away>
with vat without vat :)
<tuxbrain_away>
due you are from out side of EU vat doesn't apply :)
<tuxbrain_away>
Rusian and Southamerican people please wait until this night I update the shippin cost to you via fedex
<kyak>
good
<kyak>
i'll be waiting impatiently
<kyak>
i'll be saving 9 euro, this makes be wanna buy two :)
<kyak>
tuxbrain_away: how many did you produce?
<kyak>
wpwrak: can one atusb handle two atben's simultaneously?
<kyak>
wpwrak: and, can two atben's communicate between each other?
<wpwrak>
kyak: yes. yes.
<kyak>
good, good :)
<wpwrak>
kyak: i'm not even sure where the maxium size of a PAN is. could be ~2^16 nodes. or maybe ~2^64.
<wpwrak>
kyak: in any case, there are not enough atben/atusb in the world to overflow even a single PAN ;-)
<wpwrak>
not are there ben, for that matter. including the ones still in wolfgang's warehouse :)
<kyak>
there is even not enough living things on Earth to overflow it :)
<kyak>
browsing tuxbrain's shop, i stumbled upon EFIKA MX Smartbook. It's interesting
<xiangfu>
just read one news about JZ4770: ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/2soc/4770/JZ4770_ds.pdf
<xiangfu>
1Ghz, 65nm
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer: cool, you already changed the topic it seems!
<wolfspraul>
we can also shorten it and remove the relatively meaningless 'time is on our side' meme
<DocScrutinizer>
wolfspraul: like that?
<wolfspraul>
he
<wolfspraul>
how about you?
<wolfspraul>
also remove the 'welcome and please ask your question...'?
<wolfspraul>
a bit cheesy maybe
<wolfspraul>
yeah
<wolfspraul>
what do you think?
<DocScrutinizer>
I think it's ok, maybe missing buzzwords like milkymist?
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot!
<DocScrutinizer>
no problem
<wolfspraul>
there's actually the #milkymist channel as well
<DocScrutinizer>
ok
<wolfspraul>
the overlap (or non-overlap) between #qi-hardware and #milkymist is not 100% clea
<wolfspraul>
clear
<wolfspraul>
which is OK I think
<wolfspraul>
#qi-hardware for me remains about copylef hardware, manufacturing, etc.
<wolfspraul>
#milkymist is definitely about the SoC, and then about Flickernoise (there is no separate flickernoise channel)
<wolfspraul>
it's also about Milkymist One, the video synthesizer, although somewhere there on the manufacturing side it starts to become part of the qi project :-)
<wolfspraul>
bottom line: no need to mention milkymist in the topic
<wolfspraul>
I think what you have now is perfect
<dvdk>
currently writing  a slashdot submission for atben/atusb
<dvdk>
wondering, what's the driver status?  still much work to do?
<dvdk>
(6lopan kernel drivers)
<wolfspraul>
dvdk: oh nice! crossing my fingers that you have some genius ideas for the headline :-)
<wolfspraul>
without speaking for Werner, I think on the driver side there is still a lot to do
<wolfspraul>
to get all this clean and into kernel.org, I think that's a whole new effort, maybe comparable in size to where Werner and Tuxbrain got things today
<wolfspraul>
Stefan Schmidt has signaled some support, which is encouraging. So maybe the Slashdot headline should be a call for participation?
<wolfspraul>
but what's the catchiest way to describe why this is important...
<dvdk>
wolfspraul: sorry didn't catch your reply until it was submitted
<dvdk>
anybody with slashdot accounts wish to mod it up? Â
<dvdk>
but going into sw details would have been to verbose for a slashdot story anyways.
<wolfspraul>
your headline gives a nice reason already
<dvdk>
(low attention span of slashdot readers :)
<dvdk>
the ben-wpan wiki page is pretty large.  hopefully it can survive the slashdot effect
<dvdk>
ouch. should have linked to a perma-link (i.e. dated version) of the page.
<dvdk>
well, let's see how it goes.
<wolfspraul>
I clicked on '+' - does this help?
<wolfspraul>
'replacement' is good, a bit radical like 'abuse' last time...
<wolfspraul>
I somehow can't see any effect of me clicking on '+', even though I'm logged in with my account.
<dvdk>
wolfspraul: the only effect is, that the '+' gets marked for you
<dvdk>
maybe sd editors are going to see the number of '+' counts (but nobody else sees them)
<wolfspraul>
ah I see
<dvdk>
you prefer radical ?  "Qi-hardware tries to killing propritary wlan" :)
<wolfspraul>
well then
<wolfspraul>
no no
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<dvdk>
*to kill
<wolfspraul>
hold that back for later, ok?
<dvdk>
always a question of audience, isn't it :)
<roh>
hihi
<wolfspraul>
hi
<DocScrutinizer>
sold OM's bq27k kernel module to meego-arm
<DocScrutinizer>
it's a pity how few of that stuff gone upstream. The effect is now other really crappy shit is occupying that niche
<DocScrutinizer>
which basically means the good OM stuff will never aver make it upstream now
<DocScrutinizer>
and eventually this will bite our ass for the local build, when crap comes back downstream and collides
<DocScrutinizer>
curses OE
<whitequark>
the downstream of crap...
<wpwrak>
(keeping a low profile) "revolutionary WPAN frees universe from the shackles of the Wifi-industrial complex, heralds new golden age"
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (sw) yes, still a lot to do
<wpwrak>
(checking the article ...)
<wpwrak>
djvdk: "compatability" .. intentional ? someone once suggested "combatablity", because it's always a fight :)
<wpwrak>
a number of capitalization errors, e.g., it'e 6LoWPAN. also, the capitalization of atben/atusb should be just that. (hmm, but i see where you got the bad precedent from :-( )
<wpwrak>
hmm, would have been good to wait a bit with the announcement until after cleaning up the (very messy) wiki page ...
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_away: and you didn't update the commercial description. ("24 kB used")
<dvdk>
wpwrak: next time we should edit /. submission as a wiki page like community news :)
<dvdk>
wrt spelling: just used copy-pasted, yeah 6LowPAN is a my mistake
<wpwrak>
dvdk: yes, or at least have a quick review cycle
<dvdk>
i thought: why review, if we can just re-submit over and over again? :)
<dvdk>
everybod his/her own version of the story
<wpwrak>
;-))
<wpwrak>
oh dear ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
ok, nm. bq27k driver is upstream, according to our kernel hacker larsc
<wolfspraul>
unfortunately I forgot to fix the line wrappings, oh well :-)
<wolfspraul>
the power of copy/paste got me
<dvdk>
wolfspraul: at least you fixed all the typos :)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: hmm, should mention that this is with EU taxes. abroad, these come off. (and local ones get added)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_away: would be nice if your shop always mentioned what price it's showing (e.g., "with 18% IVA - click here for non-EU prices" or "without taxes - click here for EU prices")
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: yes but I just wanted to get the news out asap, and if price comes down, even better
<wolfspraul>
I should have seen the line wraps at least...
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: Jane will like the long line ;-)
<kristianpaul>
wow, that anoucement was fast :-)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: dirtpan support comunication between one or more atben/atusb ?
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: at the moment, it doesnt' support atusb because the kernel doesn't. but once that it solved, it will, yes.
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: in fact, it will support communication between any pairs of IEEE 802.15.4 devices that have a kernel driver
<samgee>
I just read the AtBEN announcement. Awesome news. Big thank you to wpwrak, tuxbrain_away and anyone else who made (and is still making) it happen. I hope we can support this work in gNewSenses soon.
<Jay7>
hm..
<Jay7>
nice idea to use NN as wallet :)
<Jay7>
I'll prefer to have there OPIE/SKEY calculator and some secured storage
<Jay7>
and password generator (apg?)
<Jay7>
then we may position NN as banking e-token ;)
<Jay7>
connect it via USB, enter password and get access to your online banking :)
<Jay7>
$99 only :)
<Jay7>
iirc, e-tokens here are selled to customers about $50
<Jay7>
comparable price :)
<DocScrutinizer>
rjeffries: the ad gave me LULZ
<rjeffries>
ok I do not know enough to judge
<DocScrutinizer>
"gobbledigobble"Â Â "send it over!"Â Â "jokus pokus" "WUT??"
<kristianpaul>
samgee: hey :-)
<kristianpaul>
samgee: sure, i was about to point in gns, add support for atusb at least
<DocScrutinizer>
rjeffries: I missed any pricetag for that 8ch-logprobe
<samgee>
kristianpaul: it'd be nice if we could be early adopters for support, but probably not feasible in the short term.
<qwebirc625>
Hello! Does any of you know how could I get a nano-note here in Argentina?
<kristianpaul>
well
<kristianpaul>
may be wpwrak have some nanonote avaliable to sell? :-)
<kristianpaul>
but in the wort case you have to order from sharism
<qwebirc625>
oh! Thanks a lot Kristian!
<qwebirc625>
great!
<qwebirc625>
(btw, Werner does not have any available to sell it :( )
<qwebirc625>
then, Sharism
<wpwrak>
(selling stuff) yup. argentine biz bureaucrazy is way too messy for me to get into. well, if there was demand for 1000+ units per month, maybe :)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_away: any news on the sugru front ? pass or fail ? :)
<tuxbrain_away>
I have let my already setup NN to victor to make pretty pics on NN , and I have other more urgent work to do than seting up a new NN to test the sugru thing, I will test as soon as my NN come back
<tuxbrain_away>
pics on NN atben and atusb of course :)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_away: (pis) great !
<wpwrak>
s/pis/piCs/
<wpwrak>
(pis being a particularly bad typo in spanish ;-)
<tuxbrain_away>
yeah on first read before the typo correction I was thinking you where celebrating a great toilet achievement that want to share with me
<wpwrak>
sometimes, right after them, the feel very much like worth celebrating. but no, i haven't thought of sharing my exploits on the throne here. maybe i should start a blog ;-)
<tuxbrain_away>
nah a tweet or ident is just enough :P
<wpwrak>
when did i go. how did it feel and sound. how was my weight difference. what had i eaten before. picture for premium subscribers. oh yes, i could see a nice business model ;-)
<wpwrak>
you have to go with the times. nobody cares about technology these days. a quick fart joke, yes, that's more than enough intellectual challenge for a day ;-)
<tuxbrain_away>
too much information dude (what is the emoticon for extremelly disgusting near to throw up)
<wpwrak>
;-))
<tuxbrain_away>
wpwrak: what was the aviable free mem? don't make me search on the list