<wpwrak> hmm, "o" doesn't sound too bad
<DocScrutinizer> I'd suggest upper half gfx, like inverse/underline/whatnot - but that's not what you want or need I kuess
<wpwrak> i need the L/l conceptually, because i indicate the presence of a pull-up via the case. but L/o isn't too bad.
<wpwrak> naw, this must work in ASCII :) if i had graphics, i'd do something completely different
<DocScrutinizer> I got the concept, but also zhe immanent conflict
<DocScrutinizer> not even VT100 ansi esc are ok for that purpose
<wpwrak> there's quite a lot of information that has to go into a single character. no less than 10 states.
<DocScrutinizer> though I'd honestly consider a cmdline option to enable ansi-colored output
<wpwrak> naw, this is input. for output gets pretty-printed like this: http://pastebin.ca/2075293
<DocScrutinizer> compare ls --color
<DocScrutinizer> ok. I see
<wpwrak> ls --color .. a horrible mess. basically unreadable.
<DocScrutinizer> so o is good enough
<wpwrak> yeah, let's try this. thanks !
<DocScrutinizer> y
<DocScrutinizer> w
<DocScrutinizer> (damn, first my mouse breaks, then my laptop kbd refuses to work - this 4$ usb kbd is unbearable)
<GNUtoo> ouch
<GNUtoo> maybe usb issues?
<DocScrutinizer> they forgot the lubricant in the keys, so they have a tactile characteristic like there's sand inside - at 7mm lift
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: a case for WD-40 ? ;-)
<DocScrutinizer> /dev/snd/controlC*
<DocScrutinizer> ooops
<wpwrak> just when you think you've seen all possible layouts ... ;-)
<DocScrutinizer> the best parts are  on that photo
<DocScrutinizer> l2r/ud: "bloß wech" (esc),  "druggn" (prtscr), "rulln" (scroll), "Gschmarri" (BS), "Bildla nauf" (pgup), "Zoln" (numlck), "E-dzadla" (E/¬), "haddes" D, "Edzadla" (CR), "Bildla nunder"(pgdwn), "allwei groß" (sh-lck), "waiches" D, "groß \n glaa"(shift), C"lub", N"ermberch", "Gondroll"(ctl), "annersch"(Alt), "ganz annersch"(AltGr), riba, niba, nauf + nunder (cursor),  oooh, forgot "nei"(INS) and "wech"(DEL)
<DocScrutinizer> err, sth strange happened, I meant to write "best parts are illegible on that photo"
<wpwrak> naw, they're readable. but you have to download it. doesn't have a click-to-show-full-size
<wpwrak> i don't get "edzadla". "etc." ?
<DocScrutinizer> jetzt
<DocScrutinizer> nun aber
<wpwrak> hmm, weird. never heard such a word for "now"
<DocScrutinizer> it's definitely Franken slang
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: well, for the future you may want to consider this one then: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414LIh8feFL.jpg
<DocScrutinizer> got some that almost look like that :-D
<DocScrutinizer> it's amazing how much of the (laser-burnt) plasric wears off a heavily used kbd
<wpwrak> my hhkbs are holding up quite well. it's probably more the cleaning than the typing that gets the print.
<DocScrutinizer> cleaning? which cleaning? ;-)
<wpwrak> yeah. your photo shows that too :)
<wolfspraul> xiangfu: hi good morning! :-)
<xiangfu> hi
<wolfspraul> I think we shoudl delete all old versions from http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/
<wolfspraul> what do you or others think?
<wolfspraul> the old versions have no value, and are hard to distinguish/ignore for newcomers
<wpwrak> you never know when they may be useful to track some regression
<wolfspraul> true, and if there were an easy way to move them out of sight into a /obsolete/ folder or so I would prefer that
<wpwrak> that's always an option :)
<wolfspraul> but given that they are all in one flat list, protecting newcomers from being lost is of higher value
<wolfspraul> we know the theoretical value of keeping old binaries around, no doubt
<wpwrak> mkdir attic; mv * attic  then cherry-pick the good ones back doesn't sound all that hard
<wolfspraul> but we also know practically the chances for that are very low, while the long list is frustrating for anybody who goes there and tries to understand and download the right one...
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: it's a lovely web interface :-)
<wolfspraul> I don't think Indefero supports the concept of folders in the downloads section
<wpwrak> hah, web interfaces. making it easy to do the trival and impossible to do the difficult ;-)
<wolfspraul> sure
<wolfspraul> but that's the point, focus on what matters :-)
<wolfspraul> if there is too much discussion, maybe I just take the lead, play benevolent dictator, and delete the old junk :-)
<wolfspraul> xiangfu: what do you think? your binaries after all :-)
<xiangfu> xburst-tools have uploaded to Debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/xburst-tools
<xiangfu> more info about xburst-tools: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Xburst-tools
<xiangfu> (sorry) for typo.
<xiangfu> I just found there is 'featured' xburst-tools have uploaded to Debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/xburst-tools
<xiangfu> more info about xburst-tools: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Xburst-tools
<xiangfu> oh~~. again. sorry.
<wolfspraul> your release announcement pointed to the /downloads/ url http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-May/008071.html
<wolfspraul> which is still where people may end up if the click on the 'downloads' tab
<wolfspraul> the value of those old xburst-tools binaries is very very low
<wolfspraul> we all know this :-)
<wolfspraul> so I am not hesitating to make a quality judgment
<wolfspraul> who if not us...
<wolfspraul> admittedly the value is not zero, but very close to zero
<xiangfu> I just found 'Deprecated'
<xiangfu> which can put all those file to another link. let me do that fisrt.
<wolfspraul> yeah, sounds great!
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> we know these binaries best, we have to make a quality judgment
<wolfspraul> it's just a tiny reflashing tool, the chance that someone wants an old version of that (!) borders on insanity imho
<wpwrak> yet it has a long history of bugs ...
<wolfspraul> xiangfu: xburst-tools in Debian unstable - great! finally :-)
<wolfspraul> now we can reflash the Ben from an IBM S390 mainframe, it seems...
<wolfspraul> well, I like it now ;-)
<wolfspraul> let's hope nobody feels we are doing a 'bad thing' for moving the old binaries out of sight...
<wolfspraul> if so, please speak up still
<wolfspraul> for example I would never advocate this for the entire images. first the folder structure there is much cleaner, with 'latest' symlink etc.
<wolfspraul> and then there are much more likely reasons someone wants to go at least one image back, if not multiple. because the chance of real regressions there is high, with so many packages going in and out, changes, etc.
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atudb/fw: disable the UART in ATUSB_GPIO http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e6f7d85
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-gpio/atusb.c: various bug fixes and improvements http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/87e06b4
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: libatrf: add option to send a pulse with atrf_slp_tr http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1a3f169
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-gpio/atusb.c: if ATUSB_GPIO fails, show the attempted setting http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a73a8a2
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-gpio/atusb.c (gpio): _exit after USB error, to avoid futile cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e9debdd
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: accept 'o' as an alias for 'l' http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/33b0400
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atben: changed 'l' to 'o' in all patterns http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e7dfb38
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/: new request ATUSB_SLP_TR to pulse SLP_TR http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e42203b
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: lib/atusb.c (atusb_slp_tr, atusb_driver): implemented SLP_TR pulse http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/52657ed
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/cwtest.c (cw_test_end): use reset also on USB devices http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2a4f7a1
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atben: quote command containing !, to make it easier to copy & paste http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/dea9730
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: added control commands; register read can now be masked http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/14215f5
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb: added GPIO test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/38a08c0
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: updated for latest GPIO scan development http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/0eb5fb1
<wpwrak> plus, someone may be running an older system, with incompatible dependencies
<qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix MFD jz4740-ts entry http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/8d5052a
<qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/7968eee
<qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a4f93b3
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: centerim5: no need for DownloadMethod/git trickery http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ab0e616
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Update gmenu2x.sh for install_locations changes http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/4b22318
<kyak> and trying to figure out any sense
<kyak> it feels like keys are assigned randomly :)
<kyak> and there is no way to remember it
<kyak> and the biggest problem is that hints in gmenu2x are misleading
<kyak> like "press B to save"
<kyak> when there is no such binding in Ben at all
<whitequark> the hints in gmenu2x are probably referring to gp2x keys
<kyak> sure
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Zero-pad hex values when saving config http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6646525
<kyak> mth: found it --^ :)
<wpwrak> hmm, protocol jokes. apparently, it started with "The great thing about TCP jokes is that you always get them." what followed was ... http://attrition.org/misc/ee/protolol.txt
<jluis_> going home
<kyak> wpwrak: the sad thing about protolol.txt is that noone reads it from start to the end, otherwise they would've found a bunch of same jokes
<wpwrak> kyak: you mean retransmissions ? :)
<kyak> wpwrak: ha-ha :)
<qi-bot> [commit] florian: [ep93xx] use IMG_PREFIX for image name http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/44bc580
<qi-bot> [commit] florian: [ep93xx] define UIMAGE for various rootfs targets http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/29ba1ea
<qi-bot> [commit] florian: [ep93xx] update to 2.6.39.1 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b5a33bb
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0f43545
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c868d46
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c1dba4c
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cf4b099
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/dd385c4
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/797be6b
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a3d8a8b
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/83f076a
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fbaf655
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e74aa2b
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b35d1cf
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0942c36
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5e6fcae
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cbc84e1
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: uboot-xburst: don't install empty dir http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bce1b8d
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/467647c
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: add icons and shortcuts for allegro shooter demo and allegro setup program http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e5452e5
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/402a517
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/807cc4b
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5f63507
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/eaaf0bd
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2703fe0
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed08699
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8d85716
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/21c6371
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1502cdd
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/89bf2df
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c27e043
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c1d7c81
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/328d74a
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0432ba5
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: Merge branch 'trunk' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-xburst into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3ab1444
<dvdk> oops, maybe that was the wrong git command
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: config.full_system: all allegro library, setup and demo program, add http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c295b45
<kyak> dvdk: did you have anything to push?
<dvdk> kyak: nope, not in openwrt-xburst (the config.full_system is nowadays in -packages, forgot that)
<dvdk> hopefully, apart from the commit log messup i didn't commit any changes?
<kyak> btw, there is no need to push packages as =m
<kyak> they are built anyway due to CONFIG_ALL
<dvdk> well spotted, i just copied from my local config, guess =y is correct.  fixing
<kyak> we should keep only =y there
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: config.full_system: add liballegro stuff into image (=y>, not as module (=m) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ef9bfac
<dvdk> now we can start porting liballegro games :)
<dvdk> btw, try the allegro demo.  very nice sound (sw synthesized midi)
<kyak> sure, it's interesting :)
<Jay7> hm..
<whitequark> thinks about linux.conf.au
<mth> kyak: by the way, good that you found the gmenu2x skin bug
<mth> I thought the alpha might be the problem, but it was actually a lack of red ;)
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: option -c to cycle through the pattern sequence with pass/fail input http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/7a2e091
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio.c: rename anything "reg_op" to "command" http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/533dc58
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: cleaned up usage http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/8f20b1f
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb (led): added the LED test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/ba6dd86
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/test.hmac: we now also have the LED test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/9a32c66
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-path: accept keyboard input both from stdin and SDL http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6ca63fc
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: atrf-path now accepts keypresses from all the usual places http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/90ee726
<DocScrutinizer> sells wpwrak an 'o'
<tuxbrain> knock knock can I come in?
<tuxbrain> wpwrak: are you awake?
<DocScrutinizer> HEYA welcome
<DocScrutinizer> qi-bot says he is
<wpwrak> oh dear. that flu must be getting really bad. now i'm seeing ghosts !!
<DocScrutinizer> flu EEEW
<DocScrutinizer> runs
<tuxbrain> heheheh I was hidden not dead , b%&tard
<tuxbrain> :)
<tuxbrain> hey you know what I'm testing the atben and atusb
<tuxbrain> the prototipes
<tuxbrain> but I get stucked on the make spectrum part
<wpwrak> i was starting to wonder if the spanish government has maybe started to "disappear" people
<tuxbrain> is trhouws a black window and nothing els
<wpwrak> ah, what's the problem with the spectrum ?
<tuxbrain> else
<wpwrak> hmm. it should show a little line, too
<wpwrak> does it spit out an error after a while ?
<DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: you built a small scanner to wpan?
<tuxbrain> yeah, I too coward to catch their atention
<tuxbrain> wpwrak: not yet
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: read the fine manual ;-) (towards the end) /home/qi/ben-wpan/prod/doc/test.html
<DocScrutinizer> uhuh
<wpwrak> tuxbrain: hmm, which firmware are you running ? maybe it needs updating. the latest is ...
<DocScrutinizer> less: file not found: /home/qi
<tuxbrain> wpwrak: I must supose it take a while?
<tuxbrain> I have just flashed with whatever are in the instructions
<wpwrak> if the spectrum works, the line should appear nearly instantly (< 1 s). but if it doesn't work, it can take a while before you get an error
<tuxbrain> yes was that one
<wpwrak> perfect :)
<tuxbrain> so it doen't work at least in the arm based laptop
<wpwrak> you may also want to pull the latest test scripts. i just added the last missing pieces.
<tuxbrain> all installation is fresh from an hour ago
<wpwrak> the last commit is just some 5 min old :) haven't even sent the update to the mailing list
<wpwrak> well, last push. the commits are a bit older
<tuxbrain> what was the command to refresh the git? (oh lord I'm so oxidated)
<wpwrak> in the "make spectrum", when you press "Q" to quit, you'll get another window (for the opposite direction). does that one also fail to work ?
<wpwrak> git pull
<wpwrak> then cd tools
<wpwrak> make clean all install
<wpwrak> make TARGET=ben_openwrt clean all upload
<tuxbrain> no reaction to q nor d
<wpwrak> ah, you have to do this with the focus in the window
<tuxbrain> it has
<tuxbrain> it has the focus
<wpwrak> that is, until you install the latest version, which will also accept input from the console :)
<wpwrak> hmm, then it's stuck
<tuxbrain> maybe your code is no ARM proof
<tuxbrain> I will redo on the desktop
<wpwrak> before starting the spectrum setup again, let's do a few preliminary checks too
<tuxbrain> ok
<wpwrak> 1) is the ben connected and reachable via "ping ben" ? (or if you have it another name, did you set that name in Makefile (ATBEN_DUT and ATUSB_REF) ?
<wpwrak> 2) did you stop the kernel's MMC driver on the ben ?  echo jz4740-mmc.0 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/jz4740-mmc/unbind
<wpwrak> 2a) does the kernel contain the WPAN code with the at86rf230/1 driver ?
<tuxbrain> ping ben ok
<wpwrak> 2b) if yes, did you disable it immediately after booting ? echo spi2.0 >/sys/bus/spi/drivers/at86rf230/unbind
<wpwrak> (if the asnwer to 2a is "no", that's good. you don't need the kernel code for the testing)
<wpwrak> (if you're just running a regular distribution kernel, it won't have the wpan driver, so you only need to knock out the mmc driver)