<zrafa>
wolfspraul: all: please.. use the current nn to make a simple game console (without qwerty keyboard).. just few buttons around screen as gamepad. I will buy one.. So... when will it be ready? I want to compete against pandora/other closed hw fans
<zrafa>
kristianpaul : you are the guy.. :) I need a gamepad on top of the current qwerty screen... I can donate ... beer?
<wpwrak_>
zrafa: how about a different keyboard layout ? more "game-friendly" ? :)
<wpwrak_>
zrafa: your options are: 1) put different functions to keys, 2) not place keys where there currently are some, e.g., the function keys, 3) make keys span more than one button position, 4) write/paint whatever you want on it.
<wpwrak_>
zrafa: what you'd have to do is make the buttons, then glue them together with a sheet of silicone
<wpwrak_>
zrafa: good. so wolfgang sells more bens :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak_: haha :D
<wpwrak_>
zrafa: you could perhaps add a nice analog joystick :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak_: I would like yes :).. we need 8 keys for games.. like super nintendo game pad had
<wpwrak_>
well, you could make a game controller. and design a little board for the uSD slot that communicates with it
<wpwrak_>
kinda like the "serial port" idea tuxbrain brought up some time ago
<kristianpaul>
(ame controller. and design a little board for the uSD slot that communicates with it) sounds reasonable, *but* it suguest the screen may be separate from new game controller, so it dint look good considering its resolution and ben portability (you want hold it meanwhile playing)
<kristianpaul>
kyak: (patch)good, so i just need copy it on openwrt-xburst/feeds/packages/libs/gettext/patches/ and  make again?
<wpwrak_>
zrafa: nice :) and indeed, no surprise either :)
<kristianpaul>
(x11 benchmark) i'm surprised
<lekernel>
kristianpaul: what x11 benchmark?
<lekernel>
ah
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: buttons i may need source that first, what you think about this one http://ur1.ca/2k4vb ?
<lekernel>
who cares about benchmarks. take Android, iOS, Mac OS X, and a typical Linux desktop. which ones provide the best and smoothest user experiences? which ones use X?
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: I have no idea :) .. something like a good game pad has
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: no idea... me either i'm not gamer
<zrafa>
lekernel: so your question is .. .. should I use linux, mac os or android?
<lekernel>
yeah, if you care about usability, maybe linux isn't the best choice
<lekernel>
if mac os was just proprietary and not so laden with DRM and other crap like iTunes, I'd seriously consider using it
<zrafa>
lekernel: btw, did you really try android?.. it looks no so smooth
<lekernel>
yes, i did, it's 100x better than openmoko and the n800/n900 for example
<lekernel>
though it's not as smooth as the iphone
<zrafa>
lekernel: ah.. you mean some specific device.. no android alone.. for example android on freerunner is 100x slower than any other freerunner distro
<zrafa>
maybe 1000x slower
<lekernel>
btw, I don't have an iphone because it's so full of restrictions, but at least I recognize it's really good from a technical and design point of view
<zrafa>
I need more 000s
<lekernel>
also the speed of X isn't the only problem, programming it is just hell
<lekernel>
so it pushes programmers to write shitty toolkits
<lekernel>
Xlib/xcb is ridiculous
<zrafa>
I miss C64
<kristianpaul>
ahh those are simple buttons
<kristianpaul>
hmm interesting
<lekernel>
dreams of a system based on GNU/Hurd-libre with pulseaudio and sound output on a remote machine (because your soundcard isn't supported by the Hurd), X.org, a free clone of CDE and Openmotif
<lekernel>
X.org using the vesa driver of course, because there's a BLOB otherwise!
<lekernel>
(note that the vesa driver uses ROMed blobs, but since they're in ROM, they don't matter)
<lekernel>
and, and iceweasel and gnash for the web, ofc
<wpwrak_>
meanwhile, the rest of us are happy and productive with slightly less extreme systems :)
<kristianpaul>
whats the point with that? i miss the conversation
<kristianpaul>
:D
<kristianpaul>
(mac graphs sucess) si not that because the put a GPU in every device they sell?
<kristianpaul>
s/siis
<kristianpaul>
think, how new are gpu in PC market compated with apple one
<kristianpaul>
just my point of view
<lekernel>
no, that's because of the software and of the design
<lekernel>
the gpu is a normal gpu, and the ops that iOS do are supported on the lowest-end GPUs
<lekernel>
even the milkymist tmu could support a significant part of the iOS graphics acceleration
<viric>
lekernel: aren't Macintosh drawing on screen with postscript? That's the neXtStep style, isn't it?
<lekernel>
yes, Mac OS X does that
<lekernel>
and yes, that was inspired by nextstep
<lekernel>
though they improved it a lot, while GNUstep barely evolved
<lekernel>
actually, I even considered using GNUstep for MM, but since the developers told me I had to use X and they won't support non-X systems, I gave up
<viric>
ghostscript is also not the best at speed processing postscript :)
<kristianpaul>
is freebsd also planning to replace X as they plan with gcc? ;)
<lekernel>
they're using cairo... but maybe there is still the ghostscript layer in the middle
<lekernel>
since they told me that X is an absolute requirement, I didn't look much further
<viric>
kristianpaul: I imagine they have troubles only with GPL code
<viric>
and for what I remember, X.org is not GPL licensed
<kristianpaul>
viric: me to just curios
<kristianpaul>
curious*
<lekernel>
viric: maybe they also have trouble with supposedly-free GPL code that is harder to understand and modify than the average blob