<kristianpaul>
Thats sdcv manpage, i guess open wrt ignores all documentation when building
<kristianpaul>
I hope it help you
<wolfspraul>
yes openwrt removes/ignores documentation, that's a bit of a problem on an offline/keyboard/screen device like the NanoNote
<yizhang>
kristianpaul: ah, thanks, let me check it out
<kristianpaul>
yizhang: if you open it with vim (with  :sintax on) will help too, as is a bit confusing read manpages sintax at first try (at least for me)
<kristianpaul>
Finally my tuner arrives, http://www.mtmscientific.com/tuner.html, this will be first contact with HAM radion before and save me money tryin to buy  a USRP ;-) (wich i dont *fully* understand how it works)
<kristianpaul>
s/radion/radio
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul: the price is much nicer than the usrp's :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: and i can listen satellite telemetry i think, :-) wich is what i  wanted in short term
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: how was fireworks yday?
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak_: hey good morning! :-) I finished my first round of kicad hacking
<wolfspraul>
now awaiting your feedback... (not urgent, take your time)
<wolfspraul>
my rough plan is like this, let me know what you think...
<wolfspraul>
first I wait and see whether it works for you, and whether you want changes
<wolfspraul>
if you feel it's ok, maybe we can move kicad-patches to eda-tools, then I can directly commit there
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul: the party was nicely wild. everybody got wasted :)Â Â the ignition of the fireworks failed mysteriously. haven't analyzed yet why. so we set them off manually after all. some 800 explosions in total :)
<wolfspraul>
if you uptick the kicad version, I suggest you just comment out those patches, and I will maintain them
<wolfspraul>
oh wow! :-)
<wolfspraul>
ok let me finish the grand plan first. maybe in my next round of updates (after your feedback), I will already cleanup a bit more, make it more KiCad-style etc.
<wpwrak_>
wolfspraul: (patches) great ! let me regain a bit more control of myself, then i'll have a peek
<wolfspraul>
then once it's a bit more stable, I will probably set it up on the server so that we can auto-generate a lot of files after commits
<wolfspraul>
oh sure :-)
<wolfspraul>
also at some point I can email the kicad list a bit see whether someone is interested
<wolfspraul>
but that's for later
<wpwrak_>
wolfspraul: btw, maybe a "wolfgangmisc" project would be useful for hosting bits and pieces like this ?
<wolfspraul>
does this plan sound about right?
<wolfspraul>
that sounds like a junkyard
<wolfspraul>
it's a clean extension of kicad-patches, so I hope we can host your kicad patches and mine together?
<wolfspraul>
like I said I would just move them to eda-tools, sounds like the perfect place
<wpwrak_>
(junkyard) yup, that's the idea. a junkyard is a clearly defined place where all the junk goes :)
<wpwrak_>
yes, sounds good
<wolfspraul>
we will probably need to maintain kicad-patches for a while, if not for good
<wpwrak_>
let's see what the powers that be think about them
<wolfspraul>
that's why I'd say eda-tools/kicad-patches
<wolfspraul>
oh it's not clean enough yet, see my plan above first I'm curious whether it works for you, then improve/polish, then use on the server
<wpwrak_>
cool, you also bypassed the dialogs
<wpwrak_>
(errors/warnings)
<wolfspraul>
I tried several things, getting the hang of it.
<wolfspraul>
like I said actually in many places they separate between gui and data nicely.
<wolfspraul>
so I would not submit the entire patch like it is, instead I would just point them to the patch, and then submit small improvements to make for a cleaner separation between GUI and data path inside the KiCad sources.
<wolfspraul>
that will help maintaining our cmdline patches.
<wpwrak_>
sounds good, yes
<wpwrak_>
just a moment ... need to reload dishwasher and get something caffeinated to drink ...
<kuribas>
Is there software that could be used or ported?
<wolfspraul>
andres-calderon: he, not much at all :-)
<wolfspraul>
I was traveling a bit and enjoyed the offlineness of dsv, but unfortunately I wanted to read more about the spartan-6 and couldn't...
<wolfspraul>
next time I have a few more docs now :-)
<wolfspraul>
andres-calderon: another thing, I've added a few command line options to pcbnew, you mentioned that you wanted to look into this as well, but I already got to it.
<wolfspraul>
once this is more stable (currently awaiting feedback from wpwrak_), I will bring it live on the qi server to automatically generate a bunch of files on commits
<kuribas>
How well does the nanonote run debian?
<wolfspraul>
which will in turn help projects like xue because we can review and comment faster
<wolfspraul>
kuribas: I'd say it's very limited. main problem is 32mb memory only.
<wolfspraul>
boot time is slow, I think 1-2 minutes.
<kuribas>
I see.
<andres-calderon>
wolfspraul: I saw the irc-log, is a great idea.
<wolfspraul>
you need a swap file on an external memory card for a lot of apps/actions.
<wolfspraul>
but it is possible :-)
<wolfspraul>
andres-calderon: yes sure. not just idea, we will bring it live, guaranteed :-)
<kuribas>
does openwrt have xorg?
<wolfspraul>
I see you are doing some more xue work - great!
<wolfspraul>
kuribas: openwrt does have xorg as a selectable option, but I think most all of us who use openwrt have never tried to build such an image.
<wolfspraul>
I believe openwrt has the full glibc as well, but all I know is people using uclibc
<kuribas>
Hm, jlime seems to be interesting, since it has a graphical interface.  I wonder, could I use the nanonote as a pda (for appointments, etc...)?
<wolfspraul>
yes you can, although I cannot tell you from my own personal experience now which app really works well for that
<wolfspraul>
I use mine for note taking, playing music, and soon hopefully english-chinese dictionary if I can find one that has pinyin display...
<andres-calderon>
wolfspraul:Â Â I already selected a new regulators ICs. Still necessary to select the battery charger
<wolfspraul>
I wish I could use it for maps (openstreetmaps), but the client and ways to get maps to the device are not there yet
<wolfspraul>
then I would like to use it as a time tracker, I need to get a bit of discipline into my daily schedule :-)
<wolfspraul>
I've heard that before, let me see whether it's included in the latest openwrt image...
<wolfspraul>
yes, it's in 12-14
<wolfspraul>
yeah, just started and seems to work nice. well, there's an option for you...
<kuribas>
great :)
<kuribas>
Could I use a usb-mouse with the nanonote?
<wolfspraul>
no
<wolfspraul>
the usb port is client only, so you can only use it to connect to your notebook/desktop
<kuribas>
Is it limited by the hardware?
<kuribas>
Or the kernel?
<wolfspraul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
no, hardware. definitely.
<kuribas>
Ok, I see.
<wolfspraul>
no (sane) way to add USB host - many have tried :-)
<Jay7>
hm.. I've thought NN have usb-host..
<wolfspraul>
no, it doesn't
<Jay7>
anyway, about using NN as PDA
<Jay7>
some people are still using Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 (collie) as PDA
<Jay7>
and Zaurus SL-C700/750
<Jay7>
pxa255/32Mb ram
<Jay7>
but with keyboard and touchscreen
<kuribas>
How easy is it to type on the keyboard?  I am also interested in playing interactive fiction (text adventures).  I used to play them on my palm zire 21, which is broken now.  But typing with the stylo is very slow.
<kuribas>
I wonder if typing on the NN is faster.
<Jay7>
kuribas: keyboard quality is good imho
<Jay7>
case is good even
<wolfspraul>
interactive fiction, nice!
<kuribas>
Typing goes reasonably fast?  (after a bit of practice)
<Jay7>
but small screen, small ram and no any mouse-like input method killing it
<kuribas>
Jay7: you don't need that for int-fic.  I am not sure about the ram though...
<Jay7>
kuribas: well.. just typing english text is ok
<wolfspraul>
kuribas: oh it should be OK. Nick Montfort bought a NanoNote and I think he likes it :-)
<wolfspraul>
we tentatively agreed to bring some of his works (Curveship etc) to the Ben, but progress is slow...
<wolfspraul>
at least upon Nick's suggestion we added frotz, for example
<Jay7>
still dreaming about motherboard/screen replacement/upgrade toolkit for Zaurus C1000/C3x00
<Jay7>
I've seen OpenMoko people was doing something like for Neo
<valhalla>
I've had a NanoNote for about 3-4 hours and the keyboard looks nice :)
<Jay7>
valhalla: hello here too :)
<Jay7>
NN's case and keyboard quality is very good really
<wolfspraul>
I agree, but hey, I manufacture the thing so that is the textbook definition of 'biased', I guess :-)
<Jay7>
but not sure about capability to get multiple simultaneous keypresses
<Jay7>
anyway, for MUD-like games it should be fine imho :)
<kuribas>
Wouldn't it be nice if the next version had a touchscreen?
<Jay7>
then it should have bigger screen
<Jay7>
*larger
<Jay7>
then it should have more ram and faster SoC/CPU
<Jay7>
then it will be expensive :)
<kuribas>
I see.  What about support for an external mouse?
<Jay7>
at least usb-host is must have
<zear>
nn's keyboard is of a good quality, i agree, but longer typing on it is not the one of best experiences :)
<zear>
try to play nethack or frotz games on it for a while ;)
<kuribas>
zear: Isn't it better than on palm or a tablet pc?
<zear>
kuribas, well, i have jornada 720 and it's keyboard is a million times better ;)
<Jay7>
kuribas: btw, Zipit may be interesting for you
<zear>
nn is fine for typing a phrase or two, but longer typing on it results in fingertips pain ;)
<Jay7>
or Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000/C3000/C3100/C3200
<wolfspraul>
yes I agree. I could compare it to a blackberry keyboard, I think it's almost as good as that.
<Jay7>
they have very good case and keyboard but hard to find this time imho
<wolfspraul>
when you guys talk about palm keyboard, what do you mean? the treo keyboard? or the foldable keyboards (stowaway and such)?
<wolfspraul>
the NanoNote keyboard is as good, or better, than a Treo keyboard, but by far not as convenient as a stowaway, for anything more then 1-2 phrases/sentences, as zear said
<kuribas>
I used my palm with the stylus only :)Â Â I guess it cannot be worse than that.
<wolfspraul>
he. hard to compare stylus to real keyboard. that's mostly a matter of preference then.
<zear>
kuribas, actually, i find it easier to type with on-screen-keyboard on my freerunner than with nn's keyboard
<zear>
easier and faster
<zear>
nn is just not made for fast typing
<zear>
you have to use your thumbs to type, etc
<wolfspraul>
agreed. like I said, compare to blackberry keyboard...
<wolfspraul>
I think you can get quite fast on a Ben, tactile feedback is good. but it's thumb hopping stuff...
<wolfspraul>
we should include a little '2 fast fingers' game :-)
<ormris>
I got it on the inet and opkg update works.
<ormris>
But it can't find any of the packages.
<ormris>
When I try to install them.
<ormris>
Even the snapshots file appears to have the right information.
<kristianpaul>
back
<valhalla>
I have the nanowar edition, with jlime; it's missing jlime-pkg and opkg doesn't work, can I download it from here http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/misc/ and use it to get the package that contains it?
<kristianpaul>
valhalla: yup
<kristianpaul>
can you tell us more about (opkg doesn't work)
<valhalla>
which package is it? I tried a quick search but couldn't find it
<kuribas>
zear: Why do you think the zipit is easier to type on?  It looks the same size to me...
<valhalla>
opkg gets killed by the OOM manager
<valhalla>
(when trying to install packages)
<kristianpaul>
oh sure
<zear>
kuribas, never had one, so can only guess. But it looks like it has one of that rubber pad thingies phones keyboards have
<kristianpaul>
(dreams with a frozzen bubble port)
<kuribas>
That's a nice game too.  Too addicting though :)
<valhalla>
(btw, I've just written some 100 words on the NN keyboard as a test, and it seems to be working quite fine
<kuribas>
valhalla: I see, thanks.
<kristianpaul>
valhalla: good :-)
<kristianpaul>
I enojoy write stuff on the nanonote when not have my laptop near
<kristianpaul>
s/enojoy/enjoy
<wpwrak_>
wolfgang: didn't have time to play with kicad yet, sorry. cleanup from yesterday's party is done. now off to the next one. busy time of the year :)