<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: I'm wondering what our policies should be with regards to one versus multiple KiCad projects/boards inside one repository
<wolfspraul>
in ben-wpan, you have 3
<wolfspraul>
but now that we like the idea of schematics references in BOOKSHELF that's not going to work with multiple boards. unless we say that even across boards, references have to be unique. which would be very unusual and hard to maintain.
<wolfspraul>
so maybe we move the BOOKSHELF into the folder where the .pro file lives?
<wolfspraul>
similar question about boom - in ben-wpan there is a ./bom directory, should it contain the bom for all projects?
<wolfspraul>
currently I'm wondering where to put the new camera.pro/camera.sch/camera.brd files in xue (the new daughterboard)
<wolfspraul>
into a folder ./camera ?
<wolfspraul>
or into a new Indefero project?
<wolfspraul>
and while we're at it. how about kicad-libs/modules? maybe we should move some more modules over there? I could start in Xue...
<wolfspraul>
my proposal would be that multiple .pro kicad projects per repository are fine, but that BOOKSHELF and bom/ should be in the same folder as the .pro file
<wolfspraul>
which actually makes me wonder what if someone wants to source parts for a run, but the run includes multiple boards?
<wolfspraul>
well, enough questions for now, see what you think first...
<kyak>
backdoors and remote kill switches everywhere
<kyak>
we need one in Ben ;)
<wolfspraul>
it's amazing that Intel marketing even seems to be proud that this works even "without an Internet connection" and "without the computer being turned on"
<wolfspraul>
things do seem to have gotten out of control somewhat...
<kyak>
or, they have gotten exactly into control!
<wolfspraul>
I guess Intel thinks 'they' (?) control anyway whether something is running or not, so marketing can just claim it works even when the computer is 'off'
<wolfspraul>
painful
<wolfspraul>
without current, I'm sure the great kill switch won't work
<wolfspraul>
it assumes that the whole system is controlled by 'them' anyway
<wolfspraul>
so even if 'we' think it's off, it's not off
<bartbes>
is it correct the reflash_ben.sh script downloads with output?
<wolfspraul>
nice
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
downloads with output? don't understand. it has a progress bar now.
<kyak>
hm, i use reflash_ben.sh on local files, i even forgot it can download :)
<kyak>
i guess the output from wget is shown?
<wolfspraul>
don't know
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (BOOKSHELF) dsv is hierarchical, so you can have one in the sub-project and one at the top. pick what you like ;-)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (sub-projects) i think we already have an inflation of projects ;-) that's why i started to have even things like "cntr" under ben-wpan (well, it probably should go elsewhere some day, wernermisc or *-{tools,utils})
<bartbes>
try fetching .ubi.bz2 rootfs...
<bartbes>
and then.. nothing
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: one advantage of having things in the same project is that versions are synchronized
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (complex sourcing) you can probably just load multiple kicad boms, but i haven't tried it. worst case, you may have to massage the component references with sed
<wolfspraul>
ok so if we have a subproject, we have a separate BOOKSHELF and bom/ folder in the subproject's folder?
<bartbes>
oh hey, it's flashing
<wolfspraul>
for xue, that would be:
<wolfspraul>
camera/camera.pro
<wolfspraul>
camera/BOOKSHELF
<bartbes>
it's so weird not seeing the screen on
<wolfspraul>
camera/bom/camera.sub
<wolfspraul>
like that?
<wolfspraul>
bartbes: how is nlove doing? any news/progress?
<bartbes>
not too much progress, been busy irl
<bartbes>
but it will be merged into love soonish
<wolfspraul>
great, no rush
<wolfspraul>
I do have high hopes in it though... it could be really nice
<bartbes>
well, of course it can load games already, there just aren't many games for it
<wpwrak>
zrafa: those sw feature dialogs are nice. someone asks "do we have X ?" someone else answers "it's been added this week to openwrt / i've just added it". then "it is this and that fatal flaw". finally, rafa chimes in "this is how we fixed it in jlime half a year ago". nice to be always a few steps ahead ;-)
<kristianpaul>
He enjoy replying that all time :)
<bartbes>
alright... this is bad
<bartbes>
so ever since I flashed my ben this morning, I can't get the usb network interface to register on my comp
<kristianpaul>
Horsefeathers!  We're probably out of memory!
<kristianpaul>
:p
<kristianpaul>
What? just 6Mb free :/
<kyak>
everything is bad
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: so, you still crosscompiling for jlime?
<kristianpaul>
need swich to crosscompile definitelly
<viric>
?
<kristianpaul>
viric: i was compiling stuff for jlime  in the OS it self
<viric>
ah
<viric>
in the nanonote?
<kristianpaul>
sort of yes (SIE board)
<viric>
ah ok
<viric>
no faster than the nanonote then
<viric>
with more ram?
<kristianpaul>
yes is fast
<kristianpaul>
ah sorry
<kristianpaul>
i missread
<kristianpaul>
personally i like more the nanonote
<kristianpaul>
of course i use SIE just becase the FPGA, no more
<viric>
ok
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: (crosscompiling for jlime) hmm, what do you mean ?
<wpwrak>
oh, i see
<wpwrak>
naw, don't have the patience to compile on the ben ;-))
<kristianpaul>
but you managed to use a toolchain compatible with jlime isnt?
<kristianpaul>
i meant, a toolchain that can be run on your computer, (is not that cross-compiling ?)
<wpwrak>
yes, i used the jlime toolchain. and this is called cross-compiling indeed :)
<wpwrak>
i
<wpwrak>
m surprised that you would compile directly on the ben/sie :)
<bartbes>
so.. who was david aka gforth guy again?
<kristianpaul>
(surprised that you would compile directly on the ben/sie) i just wanted give a try, is my first emdebbed device that have enought ram to run a compiler :)
<wpwrak>
is building ignitors for the 24th
<kristianpaul>
oh
<wpwrak>
that wasn't me :)
<bartbes>
bye ChanServ!
<bartbes>
:P
<bartbes>
btw, does this mean we split?
<lekernel>
ah, freenode...
<lekernel>
never seen an IRC network with so many netsplits
<lekernel>
is it run by GCC developers or...?
<kristianpaul>
here we go :p
<kristianpaul>
was compiled used gcc? ;-)
<kristianpaul>
hides
<kristianpaul>
s/used/using
<wpwrak>
runs on the Zylin CPU :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: :D
<kristianpaul>
zpu**
<wpwrak>
beta test complete. takes about 25 seconds to ignite a bit of paper. (~5 cm steel wire, wound into a coil, burning about 10 W)
<lekernel>
wpwrak: what are you doing?
<kristianpaul>
rocket science?
<wpwrak>
wonders if match cord are more or less inflammable than paper tissues
<lekernel>
for ignitors I recommend a 4.7 ohm 1/4W resistor and a car battery... costs nothing :)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: yup :)
<wpwrak>
lekernel: in argentina, we have fireworks on the 24th :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: (we) all people can launch rockers?
<kristianpaul>
rockets*
<wpwrak>
lekernel: i'm too lazy to carry around the car battery ;-) but i have half a dozen lab supplies :)
<lekernel>
could work too
<kristianpaul>
how long take to ignite the resistor from your experience lekernel ?
<wpwrak>
the steel wire looks quite good. i feed it 6.4 amps, which is what my largest supply can deliver alone. and it's reusable :)
<wpwrak>
resistors are nice :)
<wpwrak>
3 x 12 Ohm burn way better than steel ;-)
<wpwrak>
lekernel: thanks for the idea ! this will be great fun :)
<lekernel>
played a lot with sodium chlorate herbicide when young
<wpwrak>
grmbl. going to a different screen while kicad is doing some processing causes X strangulation :-(
<lekernel>
grins
<wpwrak>
i thought you'd like that :)
<lekernel>
like? hum, not really
<wpwrak>
there are a few things a windowing system shouldn't to. letting one application flood it with requests such that everything else stops is one of them.
<wpwrak>
letting anything but the window manager set the focus is probably another. recently, konqueror (well, something in there - may be flash) is way too happy to steal the focus in all sorts of nonsense situations.
<wpwrak>
(atusb instability) aha. a first clue. when just i connect 5V power to vbus, the weird resets happen too.
<lekernel>
konqueror (and kde in general) is becoming horrible
<lekernel>
bugs don't get fixed, and new ones appear all the time
<wpwrak>
hmm. that's bad. konqueror is still my favourite browser.
<lekernel>
imo kde doesn't really improve anymore since the last 2.x releases...
<lekernel>
I could count on a single hand the useful features of kde 4.5 that were not in the last 2.x
<lekernel>
but the bugs... argh
<lekernel>
maybe I should take those 2.x releases, remove X-Windows and upgrade the HTML rendering system. that could make a nice desktop environment
<kristianpaul>
is not that what gnome is doing latelly (html rendering) ¡
<kristianpaul>
s/¡/?
<wpwrak>
lekernel: i actually like the old feature sets :) konqueror pretty much did everything in needed maybe even as much as ten year ago. so all that really had to change was support for any new stuff that was added to HTML.
<wpwrak>
s/in needed/i needed/
<lekernel>
now there is konqueror+dolphin, two apps for the same thing...
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb.brd: avoid track leaving pad 16 of U2 laterally, for better solderability http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/9fa026e
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/cam2/mkmk: compensate deflection when cutting the board outline http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/8f2dbf7
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/common/config.h: corrected BOARD_xxx names in #if defined() http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d5f7820
<wpwrak>
oh, more stuff queued up than i thought :)
<wpwrak>
lekernel: hmm, but dolphin isn't a web brower, is it ? i use konqueror only for the web. the concept of a file browser is quite incomprehensible to me. i mean, there is the shell. what else could i possibly want ?
<lekernel>
ftp/ssh drag n drop? picture galleries?
<wpwrak>
scp local<Tab> remote:
<wpwrak>
qiv -t *Â Â (watch the sequence - no thumbnails)
<lekernel>
one thing the newer KDE's got right, though, is the removal of the GNU/Autocrap propaganda tool
<lekernel>
cmake is much better
<wpwrak>
for some things, i also write scripts. like this one:
<kristianpaul>
cmake is not like autotools at the end?
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: had you tried feh ?
<wpwrak>
first time i hear of it :) sounds nice
<wpwrak>
i wish xv development would still happen. it's such a great program. also has the nicest interpolation i've seen so far.
<zrafa>
wpwrak: sw dialogs? :) he.. i do not sure which dialogs are those :)
<zrafa>
zrafa: but I am sure that we have a lot of solved tips for mobile devices which people talk like "new features to discover/develop"
<wpwrak>
some tools to use on the desktop. for those moments when hardware needs a rest ;-)
<zrafa>
;-))
<zrafa>
wpwrak: and another intersting thing is that: I have used all the already features jlime has for jornada 6660/680/690 (which has 16Mb of ram, or 32).. so all my answers are from things we already used since 2006-2007.
<wpwrak>
;-)))
<wpwrak>
(ah, now i got what you meant with "sw dialogs". i thought you were referring to our discussion of konqueror, feh, etc.)
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: what you used before jornada?
<wpwrak>
zrafa: the gap between jlime and openwrt is indeed quite amazing
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: before jornada? as mobile device?: nothing.. jornada 660lx was my first mobile device. And I was the first guy on the earth to install linux on that :)
<zrafa>
well, at least the only guy on the earth who tried :D
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: the proper name is HP Palmtop 660lx, no jornada.
<wpwrak>
zrafa: the first who tried or the first who succeeded ?
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: good :)
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: and the others jlime guys?
<zrafa>
wpwrak: no sure. The first who succeeded to install linux using compact flash as disk. Previously there were some success using linux just on ram.. from linux kernel + initrd. When I bought my 660lx I was thinking that jlime would work, but the jlime linux kernel and mainline did not. So I was spending few months until I did a poll patch for IDE driver.
<zrafa>
That was my first solution to install linux on compact flash. Then I ported my patch to PATA driver, to use newer linux kernel. I never was able to solve the problem with "lost interrupt" from those drivers, but we offer at jlime both kernel (using IDE or PATA) with the poll patch for palmtops 620lx or 660lx
<zrafa>
then more 620lx users appeared happy
<wpwrak>
ah, cool. did someone else solve the "lost interrupt" ?
<zrafa>
wpwrak: nobody
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: kristoffer used a jornada 680 as first device. He got that as a gift from his company.. and kristoffer ported linux to that device. 2.4 kernel worked, but 2.6 was deprecated for jornada. So kristoffer ported 2.6 kernel to jornada. He