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<apritzel> the hypervisor just relies on things like PSCI, arch timer, GIC
<apritzel> which are bog standard on Allwinner
<apritzel> I think sunxi has just one quirk in Xen, which is about the console
<MoeIcenowy> console? why?
<apritzel> since the UART0 shares a 4K page with the other UARTs
<apritzel> and so cannot be isolated by Xen
<MoeIcenowy> oh...
<apritzel> I think the workaround is to take UART1 & 2 away from Dom0 as well
<MoeIcenowy> so different Doms can use different peripherals?
<apritzel> http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=xen/arch/arm/platforms/sunxi.c;h=0ba7b3d9b476a95edb653e120b7b3900a47f7c06;hb=HEAD
<apritzel> it looks like Dom0 cannot use any serial directly
<apritzel> I think on Allwinner you cannot passthrough much anyway
<MoeIcenowy> I think allwinner do not have any IOMMU...
<apritzel> yes
<MoeIcenowy> how can peripheral passthrough work?
<apritzel> even if, what would you pass through?
<MoeIcenowy> just interesting...
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: you can pass through pure MMIO, but no DMA
* MoeIcenowy learned a lot
<apritzel> seriously it's more a nice test platform, because it's easily available
<apritzel> and Xen traditionally lives well without passthrough
<apritzel> because of all the PV drivers
<MoeIcenowy> to be honest, I'm now interested on simulating a Raspberry Pi on a sunxi ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> I think with current qemu it's possible, right?
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<MoeIcenowy> (with kvm
<apritzel> I am not sure KVM on ARM really works outside of mach-virt
<apritzel> which mean you emulate a virtual platform (with virtio, mostly)
<MoeIcenowy> I think when I test it I used not -M virt but -M vexpress
<apritzel> and not a particular board
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: if you can combine vexpress with an A7 CPU ...
<apritzel> but you run into all kind of issues
<MoeIcenowy> A7 is compatible to A15, right? ;-)
<apritzel> not on a system register level
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<apritzel> I think QEMU refuses to run an A15 based model on an A7 CPU
<apritzel> at least that's a big issue with big.LITTLE
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<igraltist> hi
<igraltist> somehow i dont get an ip address from orangepi.org
<igraltist> could someone query this pls
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<mpmc> igraltist: loads here, need to add www to it otherwise it won't load.
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<wens> MoeIcenowy: the merge window isn't over yet
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<MoeIcenowy> wens: ?
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<igraltist> mpmc: sry was not orangepi.org insteed orangepi.com :D
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<KotCzarny> beeble: uboot only prints machine model because that's what's loaded from fex/fdt
<KotCzarny> so, still, detection has to rely on something else
<tkaiser> Did I already mention that I love the 'style' to communicate with Xunlong/Steven? I write that I want a NAS HAT for OPI Zero using these connectors and that USB-to-SATA bridge: https://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/2808-orange-pi-zero-went-to-the-market/?p=20296
<tkaiser> Weeks later with not a single bit of feedback Xunlong simply delivers: https://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/2808-orange-pi-zero-went-to-the-market/?p=21651
<KotCzarny> o.o
<tkaiser> Which should be considered regarding mainline support and DT contents. All those connectors on the 13 pin header have to be enabled by default since people are using them.
<KotCzarny> does that thing work with other oranges?
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: It's about the USB data lines on the 13 pin header so... no(t reasonable)
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<KotCzarny> so, simple usb2msata chip (apart from other connectors)
<KotCzarny> still, nice
<tkaiser> Now the Zero Plus 2 starts to make some sense too
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<KotCzarny> jms578, ehehe
<tkaiser> Exactly
<KotCzarny> now let's wait for igor's benchmarks
<tkaiser> Why? Everything already known.
<KotCzarny> to see how well it performs with opizero and if they didnt b0rk something
<KotCzarny> is there price announced?
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Not that I know of and that's the only information I'm interested in. Since everything else is already known.
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<tkaiser> Only open question: Which connector is on an own USB bus and which one has to share bandwidth with the 2 type A receptacles
<MoeIcenowy> tkaiser: have you dropped opi0's legacy support? ;-)
<KotCzarny> that's why i wondered about benchmarks
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Here you get the numbers: *Way* better than Raspberry Pi 'SSD shields'. That's already enough.
<KotCzarny> and *way* cheaper
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: I dropped every support. But since we're talking about OPi Zero and the 13-pin header. Do you agree that all those interfaces should be enabled by default?
<KotCzarny> which is sad, because xunlong apparently delivers good products
<MoeIcenowy> I agree
<MoeIcenowy> but mripard do not agree
<MoeIcenowy> but I think everything on the 13pin header is not muxed
<MoeIcenowy> so enabling them do not harm ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> the patch that mripard applies do not enable usb2/3
<MoeIcenowy> to be honest, the guys from Sinovoip thinks Xunlong provides too less technical support ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> although we linux-sunxi forum do technical support by our own ;-)
<tkaiser> This pin header is there for a reason. To demonstrate people that they will loose functionality when switching from smelly legacy Android kernel to mainline. Great ;)
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, on the other hand, it will make people go 'wow, armbian works'
<KotCzarny> ;)
<MoeIcenowy> I think after Linux 4.11 you may keep the patch as a private patch of armbian ;-)
<apritzel> we should really emancipate ourselves from the Linux DT ...
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: oh I forgot to mention
<MoeIcenowy> the qemu-system-arm -enable-kvm -M vexpress-a15 -cpu host really works on my A33
<apritzel> but you get only shitty SD mass storage, right?
<MoeIcenowy> but when trying to emulate a raspi2 it failed ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> I didn't notice it...
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: why would you want to emulate a RPi?
<MoeIcenowy> just for hobby ;-)
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<apritzel> the only reasons I could think of is GPU, maybe out-of-the-box GPIO
<MoeIcenowy> as I have sent out my rpi out to someone to exchange a FPGA board ;-)
<apritzel> or hardware support in general
<KotCzarny> rright, confess that you are going to sell rpi knockoffs based on opi0 ;)
<MoeIcenowy> at least orangepis have 4 usb controllers ;-)
<apritzel> which you won't get with QEMU :-(
<MoeIcenowy> more than bcm2835 ;-)
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<MoeIcenowy> it seems that qemu cubieboard is nearly nothing
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<apritzel> yeah, it's more a proof of concept
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: feel free to extent sunxi support: it's OpenSource
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<tkaiser> Anyone speaking Chinese is able to tell what this is here: https://world.taobao.com/item/542119465319.htm
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<tkaiser> Ah, ok SPI flash
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<mpmc> tkaiser: What's your view of the OPi Zero? :p
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<tkaiser> mpmc: Great little device. Now I hope for a H5 variant for this NAS HAT. With GbE and 2 GB DRAM.
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<mpmc> tkaiser: I'm looking to replace the c.h.i.p I purchased as it's not very useful and really annoying to flash. Do you think I should hold off and wait for a new OP product? :p I'm also waiting for the OPi PC to get mainline kernel support with armbian.
<tkaiser> mpmc: It all depends on the use case so what to answer. Also these devices are so insanely cheap so I really don't understand this 'should I wait since...' -- every new month new stuff will be released so simply either buy when you need stuff or wait forever?
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<mpmc> tkaiser: Good point. I just assumed "Now I hope for a H5 variant" meant that you had insider knowledge that I H5 zero might be in the works :p
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<tkaiser> mpmc: There are some traces for a new H5 board called Zero Plus 2. All we know are some config bits in a github repo and if these are correct then the new devices comes without Ethernet (which renders it useless for my use cases and also this 'NAS HAT') but AP6212 WiFi/BT and camera connector. So clearly something different just named also 'Zero'.
<tkaiser> mpmc: So I'm hoping now for a H5 GbE variant in Zero form factor since this 'NAS HAT' for Fast Ethernet equipped Zero doesn't make that much sense. But I don't know what Xunlong will do next.
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<elvirolo> hi all
<MoeIcenowy> elvirolo: don't ask to ask, just ask and wait ;-)
<elvirolo> MoeIcenowy: I was just saying hello :)
<KotCzarny> 'hello' is offtopic! ;)
<elvirolo> (I do have an issue, but I'm trying to figure it out myself first :) )
<willmore> FWIW, random user agrees that the special purpose 13 pin header on the OpiZ should be configured correctly in the DT by default.
<MoeIcenowy> it's a good problem ;-)
<ElBarto> willmore: why should it be not configured ?
<willmore> ElBarto, I think it *should* be configured.
<willmore> But, my understanding is that the maintainer thinks it is GPIO and therefore pluripotent, so should not be committed to a specific function.
<MoeIcenowy> the current dt I sent out now do not enable the peripherals on the special purpose pins
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<MoeIcenowy> mripard: how do you think of the pins?
<MoeIcenowy> none of the pins is general-purpose
<willmore> Is the arguement that they shouldn't be configured by default in the DT because the little add in board is optional?
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<deskwizard> talking about DTs... any particular reason the audio isnt enabled by default for olinuxino-a20-micro? just wondering
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<ElBarto> willmore: ah ok I wasn't aware of that
<ElBarto> deskwizard: if there is a jack on the board it should be enabled
<tkaiser> willmore: Xunlong officially has already 2 expansion boards for the 13 pin header (which is there to be *used* and not ignored!)
<tkaiser> And many more will follow. Same with Nano Pi NEO (I know one company here in DE already preparing add-ons for this board)
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<igraltist> my powersupply is arrived, orangepi is booted :D
<willmore> I agree tkaiser. The only question is are any of those pins GPIO and not strictly decidated to a particular purpose. If they're strictly dedicated, then it makes sense to have them in the DT enabled by default.
<willmore> Doing otherwise would be like leaving a PS/2 keyboard connection as GPIO because someone might want to plug wire some LEDs to it in place of a keyboard.
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<deskwizard> ElBarto, thanks, I'll look into that then
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<elvirolo> This may not be the right place to ask this, but I can't SSH into my Arch ARM Lime2 board, and when I hook it up to an HDMI monitor, it seems the machine boots (I can ping it), but it seems to be stuck on a blinking cursor and I don't get a login prompt
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<KB3VGW> did you install openssh and did you enable the service
<igraltist> hmm arbian looks not so stable on orangepipc
<KotCzarny> igraltist: it is stable. my boxes run months without any interruption
<igraltist> i had many reboots because panic
<KotCzarny> bad power or bad settings
<igraltist> just new all and all default
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<igraltist> when i set h3dip to full hd then blackscreen
<igraltist> but later more after testing
<igraltist> machine get gentoo anyway
<KB3VGW> I use armbian on my odroids no issue
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<mripard> MoeIcenowy: didn't we have that discussion a few times already?
<mripard> what I think is "if it's not in the base board, it won't be in the base DT"
<mripard> if there's daughter boards, capes, hats, etc. it needs to be dealt with through overlays
<KotCzarny> that sounds reasonable, how does it work in practice for distro vendors?
<mripard> it works fine
<mripard> the beaglebone, rpi and CHIP at least are using that in their respective distro flavours
<mripard> it's just another package to install
<KotCzarny> you mean its configurable from userspace? ie. after boot?
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<mripard> for the beaglebone and the CHIP at least, it's automatically applied if it can detect the daughter board, and you have the option to apply one manually
<MoeIcenowy> In the case of Orange Pi, I think it's not detectable
<MoeIcenowy> and the IOs on this 13-pins is not General Purpose
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<KB3VGW> they have armbian for the chip
<KB3VGW> have to get a img
* jelle found the vendor shipped image working fine
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<KB3VGW> someday this week it looks like my chip will get here
<KB3VGW> its in Ny state now
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<willmore> KotCzarny, IIRC, the rpi detect capes once the main kernel and userland start. A process sets the correct DT for the hat in the boot info and reboots the board.
<willmore> It struck me as a painful way to get stuck in a boot loop.
<willmore> Pushing it into the pre-boot (uboot) code gets us back into the issue that brought about the adoption of DT in the first place--crazy customized boot loaders for every darn board out there.
<KB3VGW> only if the cape/hat has a id chip
<willmore> KB3VGW, yeah, if it doesn't, then you have to set it by hand with their config utility in userspace.
<willmore> And the collection of DT files they have is insane.
<willmore> It truely begs for a better solution.
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<mripard> MoeIcenowy: yeah, that's true for all the pins but the ir one
<mripard> I guess it's not that much of a big deal.
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<KotCzarny> so, it's manual work to add/enable such configs
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<KB3VGW> ?
<jelle> would anyone know here why the 'interrupts =' line is a compile error? https://gist.github.com/jelly/a829fa27427f71d9fe4ab5ea048cffaf
<KB3VGW> well you need a gpio seup tool
<KB3VGW> you justchange the config name
<KB3VGW> I wrote a script for svxlink but can be used for any app
<mripard> jelle: you don't have the interrupt header with the define you use ?
<jelle> mripard: oh hmm
<jelle> mripard: yup
<jelle> mripard: thanks, really wonder why the dtc compiler is so rough
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<jelle> one day I'll read the dts specification
<KB3VGW-> well I have gpio up and down scripts we use . until I get a dts/dtb done
<KB3VGW-> but they are a pain to do
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<igraltist> hmm compiling headers on armbian looks at an never ending
<mripard> jelle: in that case, it's mostly because it's not even part of the DT syntax
<mripard> linux passes the DTs through the C preprocessor before giving them to dtc
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<mripard> but yeah, there's definitely work that needs to be done on the error reporting...
<jelle> ahaaa
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<igraltist> when i use on my orangepi glxgears i got: Error detected: EGL_NOT_INITIALIZED
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