#ipfs on 2019-06-06 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2019-06-01 05:25 stebalien changed the topic of #ipfs to: Heads Up: To talk, you need to register your nick! Announcements: go-ipfs 0.4.21 and js-ipfs 0.35 are out! Get them from dist.ipfs.io and npm respectively! | Also: #libp2p #ipfs-cluster #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://view.matrix.org/room/!yhqiEdqNjyPbxtUjzm:matrix.org/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of

00:02 <postables[m]> When using `ipfs add --only-hash`, is there any way to leverage this generated object to store on disk, without needing to repeat an `ipfs add`?

00:02 <postables[m]> For example, lets say I want to check if a file has already been added to my IPFS node, I can run `ipfs add --only-hash` and check the hash that is returned to see if it is being pinned by my node. In the event that it isn't pinned, is there anyway I can leverage the object that was generated by `ipfs add --only-hash` to prevent having to rebuild the entire object again?

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00:36 <shokunin[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/bx9d93/youtube_just_censored_and_removed_thousands_of/

00:53 <postables[m]3> Feel somewhat conflicted about that. On one hand censorship is bad, but on the other hand being a racist, shitty human being and having easy access to proliferate your shitty ideaologies that are harmful towards others isn't a good thing either.

00:53 <postables[m]3> It's like how the anti-vaxx movement has become massive due to disinformation shared through facebook, which leads to things like measles being a thing in north america. Everyone has the right to freespeech, but at some point you need to draw a line where your freespeech to say shitty things and act like a shitty person starts to cause genuine harm to others

00:55 <postables[m]3> Feel somewhat conflicted about that. On one hand censorship is bad, but on the other hand being a racist, shitty human being and having easy access to proliferate your shitty ideaologies that are harmful towards others isn't a good thing either.

00:55 <postables[m]3> It's like how the anti-vaxx movement has become massive due to disinformation shared through facebook, which leads to things like measles being a thing in north america. Everyone has the right to freespeech, but at some point you need to draw a line where your freespeech to say shitty things and act like a shitty person starts to cause genuine harm to others and that needs to be stopped

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02:10 <shokunin[m]> Yeah exactly

02:10 <shokunin[m]> I feel the same

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02:25 <postables[m]3> it's a potentially slippery slope though. This could easily go from stopping the spread of genuine toxic content to just censoring content because it doesn't agree with your opinion or beliefs. definitely needs some sort of checks and balances system, which unfortunately it doesn't sound like they have

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03:01 <jaexil-gh-maitre> https://mapio.net/pic/p-47230385/

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03:01 <jaexil-gh-maitre> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_Beach

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03:16 <postables[m]3> ah yes the ol' inteplanetary brighton beach

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08:18 <shokunin[m]> Uh

08:18 <shokunin[m]> What’s this spam about?

08:19 <shokunin[m]> postables swedneck catman if you see spam like this please make sure to remove

08:20 <postables[m]3> right totally forgot i could lol

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08:24 <catman[m]> I guess I missed the spam?

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08:31 <shokunin[m]> I deleted it

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08:34 <catman[m]> Re the de-googling: there’s another component that is troubling. This was instigated by Vox ($1B valuation w/Comcast and NBCUniversal as majority shareholders) shrieking for Youtube to deplatform Crowder who is competition for their Strikethrough series. The updated YouTube policies will favor “authorities” whatever that means. The concern here is that the policies will be applied unevenly between independents and the

08:34 <catman[m]> institutions that pay ad dollars and applied in cases with digital outrage mobs.

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08:38 <postables[m]3> i mean https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1134264395717103617/video/1 seems borderline homophobic

08:40 <postables[m]3> holy shit

08:40 <postables[m]> can someone ban this person

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08:41 <shokunin[m]> Is he on irc or matrix?

08:41 <postables[m]3> matrix i think

08:41 <postables[m]3> *edit:* ~~i mean https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1134264395717103617/video/1 seems borderline homophobic~~ -> i mean https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1134264395717103617/video/1 seems borderline homophobic

08:41 <postables[m]3> that being said this kind of removal of content can really easily get out of hand

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08:42 <postables[m]3> i mean https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1134264395717103617/video/1 seems borderline homophobic

08:42 <postables[m]3> that being said this kind of removal of content can really easily get out of hand and based off the lingo that catman shared seems like its extremely open to loose interpreations

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08:43 <postables[m]3> i mean https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1134264395717103617/video/1 seems borderline homophobic

08:43 <postables[m]3> that being said this kind of removal of content can really easily get out of hand and based off the lingo that catman shared seems like its extremely open to loose interpreations. if anything this should probably be handled by an outside organization

08:43 <postables[m]3> i mean https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1134264395717103617/video/1 seems borderline homophobic

08:47 <catman[m]> Yes it’s cuspy which is why we’re even having the conversation, right? It’s definitely not good. We then have Maza actually calling for political violence in clear terms 🤷.

08:48 <shokunin[m]1> I just checked and I'm not an admin on Matrix

08:48 <shokunin[m]1> thought I was

08:50 <shokunin[m]1> one thing to solve soon!

08:51 <catman[m]> For me the issue is there’s a relationship between media companies and advertisers that can exert strong editorial influence. Ryan Holiday describes this in “Trust Me I’m Lying” (2012) as a media buyer dealing with Gawker etc. I think it’s a trend that’s continuing and poses particular problems for the question determining whether platform or publisher and the regulatory rules they’ll then need to follow.

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09:03 <postables[m]3> thats a good point

09:03 <postables[m]3> i guess my example of facebook antivaxx isn't necessarily applicable to this situation either because as you say this involves media companies and advertisers with profits at stake

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09:11 <catman[m]> I agree that information provenance and scientific understanding/attitudes is an issue as the antivaxx situation highlights.

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09:15 <catman[m]> I actually think IPFS’s content addressing provides a pathway to deal with this problem without having to resort to editorializing. If content has permalinks, then it follows that relationships between content can have easily tracked permalinks. Should make it easier to track related items debunking bad info

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10:11 <postables[m]3> interesting

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11:28 <Swedneck_> ah, it seems the discord bridge isn't moderator in this room

11:28 <Swedneck_> so the spam didn't get deleted on matrix

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14:55 <cloudcell> hello! does anybody know why ipfs has not filed any patents for its design? I am not a specialist in patent law, but does a publication of a whitepaper protect a project from someone else patenting its design and then suing you?

14:56 <gunni> wouldn't prior art cover that? it's provably existed for a while online

14:56 <cloudcell> or if I publish my code on github that automatically protects me from anybody patenting my design and then suing me?

14:57 <jadedctrl> it doesn't guarantee that someone won't try, but they won't really have ground to stand on

14:57 <cloudcell> thank you gunni and jadedctrl

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15:36 <gunni> I just heard about ipfs today, just tried it on a VM, pretty cool stuff!

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15:53 <gunni> does anyone have a selinux policy for ipfs?

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17:15 <gunni> meh i figured it out, made an ipfs user and confined it as user_u

17:15 <gunni> works fine

17:15 <gunni> i'd really prefer it to be further confined but w/e

17:18 <shokunin[m]> Yo swedneck the bridge is struggling

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17:55 <dynodetk[m]> 'fair moderation'

17:55 <dynodetk[m]> meanwhile in fantasy land

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17:59 <stebalien> and now matrix isn't even letting me delete messages.

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18:30 <shokunin[m]1> Is David Dias around? Trying to find his nick but user list on matrix is trash

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18:55 <joeltg> Is there any way to handle custom additional libp2p protocols in go-ipfs? Can it be done with the new plugin system?

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19:19 <hsanjuan> joeltg: the `ipfs p2p` subcommands allow handling any custom protocol by directing it to a local socket

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19:29 <joeltg> :-o oh thank you! that's what I was looking for!

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20:39 <shokunin[m]> swedneck and I are upgrading all the chat bridges! (This is so Discord, Matrix and IRC are in sync). We’re adding a ton of storage so it’s future proof

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22:56 <xelra> I was wondering, has someone made a porn site running atop ipfs?

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23:01 <mm000[m]> what kind of pr0n xelra?

23:01 <mm000[m]> good question

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23:06 <shokunin[m]> maybe not a great discussion to have here

23:08 <xelra> I'd say something like youporn or pornhub? Do you know some?

23:08 <xelra> I know of DTube, but they don't do porn.

23:08 <mm000[m]> i don't watch much pr0n these days

23:09 <xelra> A video provider that hosts it as a service, rather than for themselves.

23:09 <mm000[m]> but pr0n over a decentralized network is a good idea

23:12 <xelra> Yeah, I think so too.

23:12 <xelra> I feel like many people would think that something that isn't used for porn, isn't trustworthy.

23:12 <xelra> It just leaves this afterthought of "why?" that hangs and lingers in the back of your mind.

23:14 <mm000[m]> people torrent pr0n

23:14 <mm000[m]> no reason why they couldn't use ipfs

23:15 <xelra> I was thinking more in the direction of porn ads.

23:15 <xelra> Getting the whole monetary system behind such a video provider.

23:15 <mm000[m]> hmmm

23:16 <mm000[m]> speaking of which, does brave allow pr0n ads?

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23:38 <shokunin[m]> clears throat, would be nice to change the topic kinda

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