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<glowcoil> alexgord_: hi
<glowcoil> alexgord_: listening to craig taborn
<glowcoil> alexgord_: he's way good
<alexgord_> glowcoil: give up!
<alexgord_> :P
<glowcoil> give up on what?
<glowcoil> :p
<alexgord_> glowcoil: music in general
<alexgord_> go back to haskell
<alexgord_> ;)
<alexgord_> wow new iplayer is great
<glowcoil> alexgord_: lolol
<purr> lolol
<glowcoil> alexgord_: music makes me way happier than haskell ever did :p
<glowcoil> but yeah i think as ranked among all the people in the world who do music vs who do haskell
<glowcoil> i ranked a lot higher at haskell
<glowcoil> :(
<alexgord_> glowcoil yeah like #5
<alexgord_> glowcoil: ...of 8
<alexgord_> xD
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<glowcoil> alexgord_: lolol
<purr> lolol
<glowcoil> but yeah i'm like in the millions for music :c
<alexgordon> glowcoil: if you make your own programming language, you'll be the best at it
<alexgordon> or second best if fabrice bellard decides to use it
<glowcoil> lolol i'll be far from the best at PLT, although I actively want to avoid being the best at PLT because it's the wankiest field on earth
<purr> lolol
<alexgordon> "wankiest", is that a word?
<glowcoil> yeah
<glowcoil> absolutely
<glowcoil> also lol @ fabrice bellard
<glowcoil> also i didn't get what you were saying but now i do
<alexgordon> glowcoil: my hope is that generic research advances enough that both DJB and Fabrice Bellard can have a child together :P
<alexgordon> this child will be the Chosen One
<alexgordon> who will lead computer programmers to the Enlightenment
<glowcoil> what did djb do
<alexgordon> glowcoil: he wrote a piece of software without bugs
<glowcoil> lol which one
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> qmail
<alexgordon> ok well it had 1 maybe 2 bugs
<alexgordon> but he inserted them intentionally to fool us into thinking he's mortal
<glowcoil> lolol
<purr> lolol
<alexgordon> glowcoil: IIRC he dismissed the C standard library claiming it's too dangerous, and instead made his own
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<alexgordon> "I've mostly given up on the standard C library. Many of its facilities, particularly stdio, seem designed to encourage bugs. A big chunk of qmail is stolen from a basic C library that I've been developing for several years for a variety of applications. The stralloc concept and getln() make it very easy to avoid buffer overruns, memory leaks, and artificial line length limits."
<glowcoil> alexgordon: haha wow
<alexgordon> glowcoil: also...
<glowcoil> alexgordon: also?
<alexgordon> hm can't find it
<alexgordon> glowcoil: somewhere he says that if he writes a function, if he can't find a way to prove it's correct, he'll throw it away and start again
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<purr> <eboy> We need some command to murder the person who created the aforementioned command.
<purr> <locks> paws = portal the programming language
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<whitequark> alexgord_: well dismissing C stdlib is not a bad idea
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<devyn> yeah the C stdlib is hardly excellent
<devyn> it's okay
<devyn> just okay
<purr> <drparse> sometimes things are too hard to parse because they're too complicated, simplify them and it's easy
<whitequark> it's... not okay
<whitequark> I mean
<whitequark> strcpy
<whitequark> why the fuck
<whitequark> and the non-_r versions
<glowcoil> whitequark: yeah pretty bad
<glowcoil> whitequark: i mean it all works together with c's allocation shit
<glowcoil> whitequark: you get your own memory
<glowcoil> good for like, not depending on malloc
<whitequark> yeah, functions like strdup
<whitequark> totally give you freedom from malloc
<glowcoil> whitequark: lol idk i don't do c
<purr> lol
<glowcoil> very much
* whitequark ponders whether he just created gold: http://i.imgur.com/nWO3SMd.jpg
<whitequark> honestly wtf is this http://i.imgur.com/Rpj7g9T.jpg
<whitequark> kill la kill 23 checking in, WTF factor kept steadily
<purr> <devyn> no, the plastic kind
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<purr> <IamTash> what's klined, hobbits?
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<purr> <devyn> instincts. like. wallhackers.
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<glowcoil> alexgordon: hi pal
<alexgordon> glowcoil: hi ntsc
<yorick> but how to get secam in there
<alexgordon> yorick: whitequark of course
<yorickpeterse> wat
<yorick> yorickpeterse: secam
<glowcoil> alexgordon: lolololol good 1
<purr> lolololol
<alexgordon> glowcoil: hi
<alexgordon> glowcoil: I wish I were rich :|
<alexgordon> then I could spend all my time do what I want to
<whitequark> how to tell if your persulphate etching works
<whitequark> if you want a respirator, it does
<whitequark> SO2 is not a fucking joke
<whitequark> cghgoucoughcough
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<jesusabdullah> silicon dioxide? isn't that sand?
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<purr> <micahjohnston> well, I don't usually incorporate dicks into my typeclasses
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<alexgordon> ok once 2.2.3 is out I'm going to do some furrow
<alexgordon> can't stand it anymore :P
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<glowcoil> alexgordon: lol yeah i wish i was rich too
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> micah!
<alexgordon> glowcoil: I made a github org for furrow
<alexgordon> it's like oftn but emptier and more important! https://github.com/furrow/stdlib
<glowcoil> hahahah
<glowcoil> cool
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<alexgordon> glowcoil: currently comparing and contrasting stdlibs of various programming languages
<alexgordon> which language has the best stdlib in your opinion?
<glowcoil> hmmmmmmm
<glowcoil> python seems to have a pretty great one
<glowcoil> i'm sure anyone who uses python would disagree
<glowcoil> c++ is a model to look up to
<glowcoil> haskell has a really mixed bag
<glowcoil> like some i love and some is really frustrating
<alexgordon> yeah
<alexgordon> I like python's a lot
<alexgordon> although they got rid of reduce() :|
<glowcoil> oh they did?
<alexgordon> fuckers
<glowcoil> I thought that was just a threat
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<glowcoil> fuck guido
<alexgordon> glowcoil: no, they were threatening to remove map() and filter()
<glowcoil> oh ok
<alexgordon> but someone hit guido with a frying pan
<alexgordon> well anyway all you need is map and filter :P
<alexgordon> glowcoil: most important question is
<alexgordon> glowcoil: do I call it "reduce", or "fold" ?
<glowcoil> alexgordon: no idea, call it / instead
<alexgordon> glowcoil: / ?
<glowcoil> alexgordon: apl/j
<glowcoil> +/ 1 2 3
<glowcoil> lolol
<purr> lolol
<alexgordon> glowcoil: ah, neat
<alexgordon> I prefer sum([1, 2, 3]) though :P
<alexgordon> omg I forgot bools!
<glowcoil> :p
<glowcoil> alexgordon: it's cool because there are like, adverbs
<glowcoil> and also every verb is both unary and binary
<glowcoil> so
<alexgordon> glowcoil: should I call this type Data, Blob or Bytes ?
<glowcoil> 1 2 3 +/ 4 5 6 does something else
<glowcoil> i forgot which
<glowcoil> and there are binary adverbs like composition
<glowcoil> etc.
<glowcoil> alexgordon: hm idk
<glowcoil> alexgordon: probably bytes
<alexgordon> sorry to interrupt what you were saying with bikeshedding :P
<alexgordon> which was actually quite interesting
<alexgordon> glowcoil: I was going to call it Data but that might be my ObjC bias
<alexgordon> data might get confused with "data" declarations I guess
<alexgordon> yeah I prefer Bytes
<glowcoil> just the most explicit name
<alexgordon> glowcoil: J is cool in theory but I feel like I don't want to waste time learning it
<alexgordon> since let's face it, nobody is ever going to write J code with me
<glowcoil> lol yeah
<purr> lol