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<devyn> "wow those two songs faded together really well"
<devyn> "oh, I have crossfade on"
<devyn> oops.
<joelteon> T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
<joelteon> i think i should preserve that in my language
<devyn> damn I'm pretty sure I saw that before
<joelteon> what's the lojban word for "right arrow"
<drparse> -_-
<devyn> it's not that
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> I'm not really sure
<devyn> I'll look it up
<drparse> joelteon: sağ ok
<joelteon> i don't even know if that's valid c++
<devyn> well it's a compound I'm making up, but {prityfarsnile'u} /should/ work
<joelteon> T_PRITYFARSNILE_U
<joelteon> fantastic
<devyn> and left is {zulfarsnile'u}
<devyn> but I'm not sure I have the right to make compound words willy nilly
<joelteon> are braces part of lojban
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> they're kind of the de facto quotes recently
<devyn> presumably because lojban uses ' so frequently, and the uh
<devyn> things
<devyn> that french and german use
<joelteon> letters
<devyn> are hard to type on ASCII-based keyboards
<devyn> no the quotes
<devyn> I forget what they're called
<joelteon> accents
<devyn> no goddamn it
<devyn> the << and >>
<devyn> or < and >
<joelteon> carets
<devyn> no...
<joelteon> oh
<joelteon> oh those
<joelteon> hang on what are they called
<joelteon> rsaquo
<devyn> so since curly brackets aren't really part of English punctuation
<devyn> they work
<joelteon> &laquo;words go here&raquo;
<devyn> Guillemets
<drparse> « »
<drparse> alt \
<drparse> alt-shift-\
<joelteon> «
<joelteon> »
<joelteon> «hi»
<devyn> only on OS X
<devyn> not everyone uses OS X all the time
<devyn> :p
<drparse> devyn: does anybody actually use other operating systems?
* devyn
<joelteon> everybody SHOULD use osx
<devyn> I much prefer my linux desktop for programming
<joelteon> yeah i agree
<devyn> because I can just fucking install stuff and it works right away
<cloudhead> +1
<cloudhead> os x is pretty annoying for development
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<glowcoil> drparse:
<glowcoil> devyn:
* glowcoil just woke up
<glowcoil> went to bed at 8am
<glowcoil> woke up at 7:30pm
<drparse> hi glowcoil
<Willox> Good morning!
<drparse> glowcoil: living the dream, eh?
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<joelteon> I don't think I can stomach writing this thing in c++
<joelteon> not yet
<glowcoil> drparse: as in, i am dreaming when i should be living and vice versa
<drparse> glowcoil: hm exactly
<drparse> I didn't mean that
<drparse> but that's a very creative reinterpretation
<drparse> never trust scientists to talk about cryptography
<glowcoil> hey drparse want to hear something i made
<glowcoil> drparse: http://cl.ly/U4F2
<drparse> errr problem is
<drparse> it's 4am
<drparse> and my headphones are somewhere
<drparse> but it's dark
<glowcoil> haha ok
<glowcoil> devyn: http://cl.ly/U4F2
<glowcoil> vil: http://cl.ly/U4F2
<vil> :O
<vil> that's awesome wow
<glowcoil> thx
<glowcoil> <3
<glowcoil> best kick drum i have ever made
<glowcoil> also i can't stop playing this
<glowcoil> WHY THEY HIDE THEY BODIES UNDER MY GARAAAAGE
<glowcoil> UNDER MY GAUNDER MY GARAAAGE
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<joelteon> I wish everything could be haskell
<joelteon> maybe I won't use ragel
<joelteon> maybe I'll write a lexer using trifecta
<joelteon> then parse that
<joelteon> :/
<joelteon> i'm brain dumb
<alexgordon> joelteon: what's wrong with ragel?
<joelteon> doesn't have a haskell output mode
<alexgordon> joelteon: lol
<purr> lol
<joelteon> i'm just not smart enough to context switch right now
<alexgordon> joelteon: I went through a haskell phase
<joelteon> i've been writing haskell all weekend
<alexgordon> but ultimately building parsers in haskell is fucking annoying
<joelteon> ok good to know it's just a phase
<alexgordon> maybe it's ok for oy languages
<alexgordon> *toy
<alexgordon> but for big things it's very stuffy and inflexible
<joelteon> none of the host languages have sum types
<alexgordon> C++ gives you more rope to hang yourself with, so to speak
<joelteon> well, this tokenizer could be done in trifecta with a lot less code
<alexgordon> what's your code?
<joelteon> i'll show you when gist loads
<alexgordon> some time never
<joelteon> doesn't look like it's in the cards for me tonight
<joelteon> maybe tomorrow
<alexgordon> fucking ruby :P
<glowcoil> alexgordon: idk, monadic parsec lets you make pretty much any parser you want
<glowcoil> alexgordon: allows for context dependent parsing
<alexgordon> that's the sales pitch alright
<glowcoil> idk yeah it's a bit more formal, no arbitrary state without like, shit like monad trasnformer with state
<alexgordon> I have not found that it lives up to the reality
<glowcoil> or whatever
<glowcoil> idk i've never had trouble
<glowcoil> it's flexible
<alexgordon> e.g. say you want to tokenize, then normalize your token stream, then parse
<alexgordon> hard to do in haskell
<alexgordon> easy in C++ and ragel
<glowcoil> yeah multiple passes is possible but really annoying
<glowcoil> *but*
<glowcoil> it makes it way easier to do the equivalent of multiple passes in one pass
<alexgordon> :\
<joelteon> multiple passes is hard?
<glowcoil> joelteon: like if you write it as a full on parsec parser of Strings, and then a full on parsec parser of [Token]s
<joelteon> case tokenize str of Success tokens -> parse $ normalize tokens
<glowcoil> then there are hurdles to step over
<joelteon> yeah i see
<joelteon> why does that need to be 1 pass btw
<glowcoil> joelteon: well multiple passes is when you go through the whole input, and then go through the whole result of that
<glowcoil> joelteon: so, you can do that, but it's hard to use parsec for both passes
<joelteon> sure ok
<joelteon> but why does it need to be 1 pass
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<glowcoil> joelteon: ...what?
<joelteon> nvm
<glowcoil> :p
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<whitequark> sooo guys
<whitequark> I just made this PCB: http://i.imgur.com/HqqMcsZ.jpg
<whitequark> and it works: http://i.imgur.com/BkOR3ke.jpg
<yorickpeterse> y u not at work
<whitequark> you're just envious
<yorickpeterse> Yeah, envious for some hot PCB on PCB action
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: wait, you're not actually envious
<whitequark> tbh I immediately disregarded an idea that someone may not like PCB prototyping because it was unbelievably absurd
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<yorickpeterse> I am super envious about PCB on PCB action
<yorickpeterse> It makes me moist
<whitequark> okay
<yorickpeterse> But no, I'm not really envious
<whitequark> I'll keep that in mind
<yorickpeterse> Just curious to see what you're cooking up
<yorickpeterse> besides meth
<whitequark> too late
<whitequark> I don't cook meth
<whitequark> it's simply too dangerous unless you have a really well-equipped lab and competency way beyond mine
<glowcoil> whitequark: oh shit how did you make it
<whitequark> apart from other things
<whitequark> glowcoil: hands
<glowcoil> alexgordon: so like soldering and shit?
<glowcoil> whoops
<glowcoil> whitequark:
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<whitequark> and about $2000 of tools and equipment, and several weeks of nonstop experiments
<glowcoil> whitequark: also what's the box thingy you're testing it with
<whitequark> glowcoil: soldering and shit, yeah
<whitequark> box thingy? adjustable PSU
<glowcoil> oh ok
<glowcoil> i really like
<glowcoil> boxes like that
<glowcoil> haha
<whitequark> lol
<whitequark> yeah, it looks pretty cool to a novice
<glowcoil> like this or whatever
<whitequark> I remember saivating really hard on those
<glowcoil> lol
<glowcoil> looks neat
<whitequark> yeah
<whitequark> also tends to be ridiculously expensive
<glowcoil> :p
<whitequark> a shitty scope bought in RU can go for about $3k
* alexgordon is shopping for clothes
<glowcoil> also seems like you have a fairly good camera
<yorickpeterse> glowcoil: I imagine you being like this http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/9227/12577cat_in_a_box.jpg
<whitequark> glowcoil: yep, Sony α3000 and 30mm f/3.5 macro lens
<whitequark> I'm really hellbent on documenting all this properly
<glowcoil> yorickpeterse: lul
<glowcoil> whitequark: it's cool, i look forward to seeing more
<whitequark> glowcoil: I'll make a fully fledged guide for making industrial-quality PCB prototypes
<glowcoil> cool
<yorickpeterse> step 1) move to Russia step 2) get shit from black market
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<yorickpeterse> if there's a black market for PCB hardware
<whitequark> wat?
<whitequark> no there is not
<glowcoil> hahhaha
<whitequark> anyway right now I'm preparing to figure out silkscreening
<whitequark> except without silk and screen
<whitequark> basically those white letters you always see on PCBs, I wanna make a stencil with my CNC and a bunch of 150µm PET film
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: so you're doing this as a hobby or for $WORK?
<whitequark> then push acrylic TiO2-based paint through it
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: it's not officially my job, no, but chances I'll eventually use it for work
<whitequark> well,
<glowcoil> what's your work?
<whitequark> well, $WORK or personal for-profit stuff
<whitequark> glowcoil: http://evl.ms
<whitequark> last year I was writing Foundryn
<glowcoil> is your ruby parser applicable to it?
<whitequark> now I'm writing Micro Rust
<whitequark> yea, parser was written for/at $WORK
<glowcoil> ok cool
<whitequark> btw we're hiring
<glowcoil> seems like you've found a fulfilling job?
<yorickpeterse> lol
<purr> lol
<yorickpeterse> Implying somebody would move to Russia
<whitequark> no seriously, most of our guys work remotely
<glowcoil> normally i would feel confident about working somewhere
<whitequark> from Thailand and Singapore and other countries
<glowcoil> but with whitequark working there i would be scared to apply :p
<yorickpeterse> that sounds even shadier
<whitequark> even Moscow folks don't sit in the office
<whitequark> because fuck that
<whitequark> glowcoil: don't worry, I'm quite a bit on the crazier side
<glowcoil> yorickpeterse: that's kind of a gross attitude
<yorickpeterse> "Yeah we have a team somewhere in...Bangkok.."
<yorickpeterse> haha
<whitequark> mostly evl.ms is just web development consultancy
<whitequark> though a really good one
<glowcoil> just because people aren't in the us :p
<whitequark> I mean, we don't use fucking mongodb
<glowcoil> whitequark: haha
<yorickpeterse> fuck you
<whitequark> guess yorickpeterse won't pass interview :D
<glowcoil> haha
<whitequark> :p
<whitequark> no seriously, drop a letter or something
<yorickpeterse> and here you were considering fleeing the motherland
<whitequark> not contradictory
<glowcoil> ugh scraped my finger closing a tightly packed drawer last night
<whitequark> overseas folks would be registered within an overseas (US) company
<glowcoil> folding laundry
<glowcoil> tore the cuticle and bled ridiculously
<whitequark> ugh
<alexgordon> "Agile web development with Ruby on Rails agile development with short iterations, behavior-driven development" holy buzzwords
<yorickpeterse> I think I can sum up $WORK as following:
<yorickpeterse> "Holy shit balls I'm amazed this works and oh fuck Mongo is down again"
<whitequark> I don't know who the fuck put that part about BDD there
<whitequark> there ain't no cucumber
<glowcoil> whitequark: sounds like probably a cool place to work
<yorickpeterse> ignoring the bits where we're actually improving things, a lot
<whitequark> glowcoil: duh!
<whitequark> I honestly don't think I can get an offer which would make me switch places
<glowcoil> so if i want to apply or whatever is there just the email on the front page, or what
<glowcoil> although
<whitequark> glowcoil: obey@evl.ms
<glowcoil> my online presence is kind of pitiful
<glowcoil> i have like, 2 unfinished projects on github
<glowcoil> lol
<purr> lol
<whitequark> and no, that's not a joke email
<alexgordon> whitequark: I'm guessing the pay is more Soviet Union than Bay Area though?
<whitequark> it's an official™ one
<whitequark> alexgordon: "it depends",
<whitequark> well, definitely not bay area
<whitequark> because that's fucking ridiculous
<alexgordon> right. jeannicolas makes $300k
<alexgordon> ;)
<whitequark> yeah and how much of that went to taxes and rent?
<whitequark> lemme guess, about $200k
<glowcoil> haha
<alexgordon> whitequark: he lives in montreal
<alexgordon> :P
<whitequark> okay
<whitequark> still
<alexgordon> doesn't actually make 300k :P
<whitequark> show me a figure *after* taxes
<whitequark> ok
<yorickpeterse> My tax rate should be 43%
<yorickpeterse> Yet I pay around 28%, no idea how that works
<whitequark> glowcoil: lack of online presence is ok
<alexgordon> whitequark: but anyway, he's... relatively well off
<whitequark> glowcoil: I'll tell folks I know you so you'll get an interview for sure
<whitequark> alexgordon: well... ok? I'm definitely not complaining about pa
<whitequark> *pay
<alexgordon> whitequark: right but you live in russia
<glowcoil> whitequark: that would be really cool
<glowcoil> whitequark: thank you
<glowcoil> I'll try to email later today
<glowcoil> I'd better go shower for class
<yorickpeterse> is this some reverse Russian bride thing?
<glowcoil> waking up on time feels good
<alexgordon> yorickpeterse: HAHA
<alexgordon> whitequark: my question was, do you have to live in russia/thailand/etc? or would you be able to afford to live in london
<alexgordon> I guess singapore is reasonably expensive
<yorickpeterse> London is also pretty god damn expensive
<alexgordon> yorickpeterse: tell me about it!
<yorickpeterse> Amsterdam is also expensive, but you'd be living in an apartment of which the floor is at a 45 degree angle
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<glowcoil> wait drparse where do you live currently
<drparse> yorickpeterse: netherlands is actually relatively cheap compared to UK
<drparse> even amsterdam
<drparse> glowcoil: london
<yorickpeterse> True, but relatively to NL itself Amsterdam is a pretty shit area to live, at least in the centre
<glowcoil> drparse: ok
<drparse> glowcoil: where did you think I lived? :P
<glowcoil> drparse: haha i didn't remember, thought you might be living outside the uk or something
<glowcoil> :p
<drparse> glowcoil: that's the dream.
<yorick> working in the bay area is actually kindof hard as a non-american
<drparse> glowcoil: I want to retire to a house near the beach in the tropics or something
* glowcoil nods
<drparse> glowcoil: if I haven't retired by 30 I will consider myself a failure ;)
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: also FYI, Mongo will be gone in a month or 2
<yorickpeterse> at least that's the plan
<whitequark> drparse: well let's say, you could definitely afford to live where yorickpeterse does
<whitequark> Hilversum, NL
<drparse> oh ok
<whitequark> probably not in bay area. London is what, one of three cities more expensive than Moscow?
<whitequark> London, NY, Berlin iirc was it
<drparse> berlin? no way
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: that very much depends on the region
<drparse> berlin is cheap as chips
<yorickpeterse> I'm pretty sure nobody except for scumbag bankers can afford in the north west
<whitequark> cool, I wanna live in berlin for a few years
<drparse> whitequark: cheap beer, cheap rent, cheap food, what else do you need :D
<whitequark> lax RoHS regulation
<drparse> metro is kinda expensive though, also mandatory health insurance is expensive
<whitequark> oh yea, heard about health insurance thing
<whitequark> though to me it seems more like "decently expensive" thing rather than "what the fuck is up with you, US" thing
<drparse> yeah probably 1/10 of the price :P
<drparse> I think it's like 200€/month or something? better ask cloudhead
<whitequark> I heard you get a good discount if you buy it for a year
<drparse> whitequark: there's always poland!
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: also are you saying I'm poor because I live in Hillywood? EH?
<drparse> whitequark: anyway sign me up for whatever it is you do there xD
<whitequark> drparse: sign you up for what?
<whitequark> work at evl.ms?
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: well I wouldnt consider myself "poor"
<whitequark> hence, no
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: haha I know, but it sounded a bit like "lol you can live where that peasant yorick lives"
<purr> lol
<yorickpeterse> which isn't far from the truth, my place is pretty affordable
<whitequark> rather on contrary, I meant it as "you can afford a decent european lifestyle"
<yorick> yorickpeterse: yeah hilversum's a total shithole :P
<yorickpeterse> Hush, you live with your parents
<yorickpeterse> I think
<yorick> yorickpeterse: probably, but that's mostly because I don't have a job
<drparse> whitequark: yah, ... well not at the moment I'm snowed under, but it sounds interesting
<whitequark> drparse: drop a letter to obey@ too, we always can talk :p
<yorickpeterse> yorick: well apparently whitequark is hiring like mad
<drparse> reverse russian bride
<drparse> also, is yorick not the same as yorickpeterse?
<yorickpeterse> No
<yorickpeterse> We are different people
<drparse> wtf?
<yorick> no
<yorickpeterse> living in the same town
<yorick> yeah I know right
<yorickpeterse> like 500m away for each other
<drparse> whitequark: if glowcoil gets a job there it may well collapse by the sheer weight of the combined IQ points
<yorick> whitequark: what are you hiring for
<glowcoil> lol awwwww drparse
<purr> lol
<yorick> yorickpeterse: I could go to Olery we'd have the same job and take the same train :P
<glowcoil> drparse: is dr. parse being paged elsewhere right now?
<drparse> glowcoil: whitequark: guys make me feel dumb <3
<yorickpeterse> yorick: how romantic
<whitequark> drparse: lol
<yorick> yorickpeterse: what linux distro is on your macbook
<yorickpeterse> Arse linux
<yorick> ah great I have that as well! :P
<whitequark> yorick: evil martians are a webdev consultancy mainly
<whitequark> rails but also scala, erlang, go and all that hipster shit^W^W
<yorick> whitequark: haskell?
<yorick> whitequark: node?
<whitequark> node no, if I ever learn someone uses node I'd fucking burn all that with fire
<whitequark> haskell no, I don't think we have a lot of people who know it well enough to use in production
<whitequark> however if you can motivate the usage of haskell for a certain new project it may well happen
<yorick> whitequark: where are you based
<drparse> yorick too? :D
<yorickpeterse> yorick: USSR
<whitequark> yorick: technically Moscow but that's irrelevant. legally so far it's Russia but that's going to change rather quickly. people live all around the world
<yorick> whitequark: what's the pay?
<whitequark> it's at least Moscow, SPb, Ukraine, Singapore, Thailand
<whitequark> maybe something else
<yorickpeterse> yorick: in all seriousness, we're probably more interested in more experienced devs
<yorickpeterse> That is, I'm personally at least taking a stance against hiring juniors/moar interns because of the work load
<yorickpeterse> and I want some person I can throw shit at and know they don't go "OH MAH GERD THE PRESSURE"
<yorick> yorickpeterse: you're going "oh mah gerd the pressure" in here all the time
<yorick> remember that time you had to bundle prolog
<yorickpeterse> That's unrelated to pressure
<yorickpeterse> That's just my hatred for a lot of things
<yorickpeterse> By pressure I mean work stress, etc
<yorickpeterse> Also, if I look at co-workers I'd say I'm probably one of the more stress-proof nerds here
<yorick> yorickpeterse: okay. what do you suggest I do then?
* yorick is thinking of making a failing startup
<yorickpeterse> yorick: whatever interests you
<yorickpeterse> whitequark's company probably pays more than we do too
<whitequark> okay so
<whitequark> glowcoil: drparse: how good are you at webdev?
<whitequark> and related topics
<drparse> whitequark: frontend or backend?
<whitequark> drparse: we do both
<whitequark> so, whatever you like more
<yorick> whitequark: I do node.js backend stuff sometimes :P
<drparse> I've done php and django and a bit of rails
<drparse> I'm no html/css wizard but I've made a lot of websites
<drparse> oh node.js too
<whitequark> drparse: okay, that's fine
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<gq> attn: butts
<glowcoil> whitequark: my uncle paid me to make him a website a few months back and since then i've been in high demand with family members/acquaintances haha
<drparse> LOL
<purr> LOL
<drparse> gq!
<glowcoil> whitequark: I'm really familiar with frontend at this point
<glowcoil> whitequark: used php a ton a *looong* time ago, I've used various things a couple times like clojure or ruby or something but not super extensively recently
<glowcoil> hi gq
<joelteon> time to learn clojure
<joelteon> how can i be a rockstar without it
<glowcoil> clojure is fun
<glowcoil> it's like a slightly more pragmatic haskell
<gq> hi devyn
<glowcoil> though less pragmatic re syntax
<gq> drparse: should...should i know who you are?
<gq> lol
<gq> drparse: nvm, got it
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<gq> drparse: i am mentally calling you Dr Pepper
<gq> so that's alright tho
<alexgordon> ha
<alexgordon> does dr pepper still exist?
<gq> alexgordon: i have half a 24 pack in the room as we speak
<gq> so, if it doesn't, i have been very thoroughly tricked.
<alexgordon> used to see ads for it all the time, but it disappeared a few years ago
<gq> you haven't missed anything
<glowcoil> dr pepper is great
<glowcoil> lol
<whitequark> alexgordon: it very much exists in RU
<gq> they debuted something called Dr Pepper 10 a bit ago
<whitequark> though I don't get it but some of our guys really like it
<gq> with 10 calories
<gq> tagline in ads:
<gq> IT'S NOT FOR WOMEN
<glowcoil> for reasons unknown my friends call it "dead rat"
<alexgordon> LOL
<purr> LOL
<glowcoil> oh yeah the 10 things
<glowcoil> lol
<gq> now that i remembered that exists i'm pissed off
<alexgordon> gq: they stole that from snickers
<gq> i may have to go back to drinking vanilla coke
<alexgordon> is it snickers? or the other one
<gq> alexgordon: yeah but i'm allergic to snickers so it had less relevance to me personally :P
<gq> why do i still have the excel file with the numbers of washington marijuana dispensaries by county open
<alexgordon> Yorkie, that's it
<gq> ...as well as an untitled notepad file, my downloads folder, and the charmap program
<glowcoil> whitequark: oh shit this may sound dumb to you but it was really cool to me
<gq> you mixed up yorkie and snickers?
<whitequark> glowcoil: what was?
<alexgordon> I don't eat either of them
<alexgordon> so yeah
<gq> also now i just imagined tasting them both at once and now i'm gagging
<whitequark> drpepper?
<glowcoil> whitequark: sitting in physics class, derived the q over a capacitor to discover i(t) for AC
<whitequark> ahhh thats pretty neat
<gq> minty peanuts. nope.jpg
<whitequark> I've forgot all math I ever knew already
<alexgordon> gq: I'm more of a Twix person
<glowcoil> whitequark: haha
<gq> alexgordon: me too!
<alexgordon> that and kitkat
<glowcoil> ya twix and kitkat
<glowcoil> isn't yorkie those ridiculous mint patties
<gq> yes, glowcoil
<gq> i like m&ms.
<glowcoil> haha
<glowcoil> they're ok but taste like markers
<whitequark> glowcoil: alexgordon: btw I won't discuss interview in depth for obvious reasons, but you are expected to have a fairly extensive webdev background
<gq> especially mini m&ms
<gq> ...
<gq> markers?
<glowcoil> whitequark: all right
<whitequark> for example something like "how to avoid XSS" must be basic knowledge
<gq> glowcoil: you were an advanced kid in kindergarten. everyone else ate crayons, you ate markers (apparently)
<glowcoil> I think I know that kindo f stuff
<glowcoil> gq: just mean, markers smell like ink
<glowcoil> gq: m&ms taste like ink
<gq> i...i see...
<gq> oh man
<gq> i used to work at a library
<gq> one time two girls came in and spent a few hours drawing a poster display with permanent markers of various sizes
<gq> the smell permeated the entire library
<gq> all the staff was getting high
<gq> it was awesome
<whitequark> did the poster burn dow
<whitequark> *down
<glowcoil> lolol
<purr> lolol
<gq> possibly, i mean, i dont' know what they did with it after they left
<glowcoil> whitequark: so hopefully i have a good enough knowledge of that kind of stuff
<whitequark> then you'll be fine
<alexgordon> whitequark: yah
<glowcoil> mostly from reading the internet rather than writing things, to be honest
<glowcoil> but it seems like there are enough bad web developres that every possible rookie mistake has been discussed over and over on blogs
<whitequark> well you'd be asked to write some code
<whitequark> so it'll become clear very quickly whether you can apply it or not :p
<glowcoil> ok :p
<glowcoil> should i become familiar with RoR in specific
<whitequark> that would certainly be a big plus
<glowcoil> i'm sure i could apply it, just don't know specific apis very well
<glowcoil> on server side
<whitequark> well, what you need is to write quality code in agreed timespan
<whitequark> how exactly you manage to do it is mostly irrelevant
<whitequark> I mean, just like on real-world stuff.
<glowcoil> ok yeah
<yorickpeterse> glowcoil: shouldn't you be paying attention to class instead of chatting with elderly men on IRC?
<glowcoil> yorickpeterse: lol it has at least 50% of my attention
<purr> lol
<glowcoil> yorickpeterse: and whitequark is like, not much older than me
<glowcoil> whitequark: right?
<yorickpeterse> whitequark is 53 so I doubt that
<whitequark> I'm 20
<whitequark> almost 21
<yorickpeterse> heh, and here I was thinking you were around 25-26
<glowcoil> 2 yrs older than me
<whitequark> I was initially thinking everyone except me is around 25-26
<whitequark> here
<whitequark> seems like a common bias
<glowcoil> yeah
<yorickpeterse> well suddenly I don't feel that young anymore
<yorickpeterse> Bow before me meager peasants
<gq> everyone here is like 5 years old
<gq> all wunderkind baby coders recruited by Elliott the Mad
<gq> i am turning 25 on wednesday!
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: that's not "old", that's "delusional"
<yorickpeterse> heh
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<glowcoil> gq: neat, happy birthday
<glowcoil> it's my little sister's birthday today
<glowcoil> going home to visit
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: but no seriously, you look older than 20
<yorickpeterse> (in the good non creepy way)
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: where exactly could you look at me?
<whitequark> there's like one photo of me on the net and it's in RU
<yorickpeterse> Yes there is, hold up
<yorickpeterse> of that Russian conf you went to to give your Foundry talk
<whitequark> yeah, that one
<yorickpeterse> Railsclub 2013
<yorickpeterse> http://railsclub.ru/conferences/1 <- there in that list
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<glowcoil> which one is whitequark
<whitequark> with the red hair
<glowcoil> oh cool
<glowcoil> i love the hair
<joelteon> where
<joelteon> what
<glowcoil> click a few over
<yorick> [18:00:35] <yorick> yorickpeterse: do you even know how old I am
<joelteon> oh
<yorick> damn ddosses
<yorickpeterse> yorick: 18
<yorickpeterse> or 19
<yorickpeterse> not sure, I'd have to stalk your Facebook
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<gq> glowcoil: thank you! cool. how old will she be?
<yorick> yorickpeterse: okay I'm 19 :P
<whitequark> she?
<glowcoil> gq: I think she'll be turning 15
<glowcoil> hard to keep track of all the ages in my family
<glowcoil> whitequark: my little sister
<whitequark> for a moment I thought glowcoil was talking about his girlfriend
<whitequark> that was really creepy
* whitequark coughs
<whitequark> well, not really thought, it just looked weird
<glowcoil> whitequark: lolol
<purr> lolol
* yorick thought that as well
<yorickpeterse> 15? CLOSE ENOUGH
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<glowcoil> it's my sister
<glowcoil> jesus christ
<glowcoil> lol
<purr> lol
<gq> my sister's turning 15 too
<gq> not until april though
<gq> fuck. 15. she'll be able to get her driver's permit
<gq> i can't handle this
<whitequark> it really bothers me how american people just drive right when they're 15
<whitequark> I mean here you'll maybe get trusted a car at 25
<joelteon> yeah, i've noticed russian drivers are way safer
<whitequark> I'm exaggerating but if you get your car while you're under 21 then something's seriously weird
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<glowcoil> joelteon: hahahaha
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<whitequark> ooh I just realized what this http://cdn.elezea.com/images/content-lorem.png reminds me of
<whitequark> tsundere lenovo website
<gq> haha
<whitequark> "it's not like I actually want to help you select the best laptop *blush*"
<whitequark> oh god I want fanfiction about this to exist so badly
<whitequark> gq do you write fanfiction
<whitequark> do you take requests
<whitequark> pls
<whitequark> this needs to exist
<gq> whitequark: i think i promised to write harry potter slash once for someone, but never did, lol
<purr> lol
<gq> purr has as helluva lag this morning
<whitequark> I dunno, that just doesn't yield itself well for slash fiction
<whitequark> yuri, maybe
<whitequark> though I sure as hell have no idea how you'd write that
<yorickpeterse> stoopid RDS
<yorickpeterse> hm, I Might get that down another 10%
<yorickpeterse> next time on Yorick does computers
<glowcoil> i like thinking about linear algebra in terms of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-capability_model
<yorickpeterse> there we go, it's down to around 13% now
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