ChanServ changed the topic of #elliottcable to: laser printers are fucking awesome
<silentbicycle> though I'm not working with films, just finicky precise soldering and stuff
<whitequark> hm... I'll consider this, thanks
<whitequark> silentbicycle: btw have you read about my CNC/resist adventures?
<silentbicycle> the nicer bit is that they're closed-by-default. I like that they are offset, but that's a matter of taste
<silentbicycle> CNC/resist, no
<whitequark> I've finally managed to figure out a repeatable process for 50µm resolution on photoresist
<silentbicycle> ah, you're way ahead of me
<whitequark> it's a new blog in a new (for me) format; "document everything that seems interesting, and just everything in general, in order to eventually have a set of processes you can repeat near-perfectly"
<whitequark> all existing guides annoy me in that they leave waaay too much undocumented
<whitequark> similar to cooking recipes based on "tablespoons", whatever the hell that is
<whitequark> what do you think?
<whitequark> silentbicycle: ^
<silentbicycle> I think it's a good idea. one I never seem to follow through on. trying to work on a blog post right now for work.
<whitequark> wish you luck there :)
<whitequark> I can imagine this being hard to follow, but: right now it's very easy for me, because I don't have a filter.
<whitequark> whatever I do, I just post there. it severely simplifies the writing.
<whitequark> it worked? awesome. it failed? awesome too.
<whitequark> that reminds me, I need to describe in detail why I really hate printers
<silentbicycle> printers are the worst
<whitequark> seriously. I'm selecting "transparecies", thinking there will be *less* distortion, and it goes on and screws up my picture.
<silentbicycle> whitequark my problem with writing is that I'm really inclined to start new things
<whitequark> silentbicycle: oh I understand that way too well. in the format above, I write an entry for 1-2 days max--while specifically working on some one thing. after that it goes through the pipe.
<whitequark> it also serves as a way to remind (and help) you to continue it!
<whitequark> I mean, not the forceful "dammit you should have written this a year ago" reminder, but gentle "won't it be cool to continue it tomorrow" one.
<whitequark> and even if you never finish that, it's still useful
<silentbicycle> I have a lot of things I want to write about, and many I have, but I haven't edited enough things into what I feel is a publishable state yet.
<silentbicycle> Just like probably 95+% of my personal projects never get posted online
<silentbicycle> I like the "lab notebook" format, though!
<silentbicycle> I think mine is more like "shit I don't want to forget and can grep later"
<whitequark> \o/
<silentbicycle> :P
<whitequark> yeah it used to be that way.
<whitequark> then I thought "what the hell, this is useless"
<silentbicycle> but ~/docs/notes/ isn't really set up for public browsing
<whitequark> and I since converted pretty much all my recording to publicly browsable .md.
<silentbicycle> oh, I use the hell out of my document trash heap
<whitequark> yeah, ~/Work/journal.md :)
<whitequark> well... useless in a more general sense
<whitequark> on a wider timeframe?
<silentbicycle> oh, I wrote glean (http://github.com/silentbicycle/glean) for dealing with stuff like that, among other things
<silentbicycle> I'm still not entirely happy with it, I wrote it ~3 years ago and I've learned a bunch since then that would improve it, but it works quite well for my purposes
<whitequark> I write lab.wq.org 'as if' I was talking to myself, or someone similarly qualified and with similar goals. so I don't need to, say, explain context, or prove that something is useful
<whitequark> (hence also the lack of comments section. by the way, quite a few people do write me emails.)
<whitequark> silentbicycle: (glean) I have this feeling that my private notes are something transient. perhaps it's related to the fact that I did lose personal data several time.
<silentbicycle> I have a lot of small text files that are all in vc
<whitequark> it's kind of irrational
<silentbicycle> whitequark I have a small script (it's called `n`) that reads the rest of the command line and, if there is none, appends to ~/docs/notes/notes, otherwise to ~/docs/notes/$* with spaces replaced with _, adding a timestamp where it edits, and then checks it into git
<silentbicycle> so like
<silentbicycle> I'll say $ n twitter bot idea
<whitequark> oh, nice
<silentbicycle> type "muahaha_bot: tweet "muahahahahahahahahaaaaa" at random intervals (> 1 day)"
<silentbicycle> hit C-c C-c in emacs, and it saves and thunks it into my home directory repo-
<silentbicycle> which is backed up, sync'd, and easily searchable
<silentbicycle> [this is another thing I've been meaning to blog about, and a lot of half-baked blog entries are sitting in there]
<silentbicycle> whitequark I feel like my notes are pretty transient, too, but I still want to be able to find stuff in them. I also use glean for searching code
<whitequark> *nod*
<joelteon> devyn: you were right, canada post lost the package
<joelteon> i hope they don't lose this one
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark, silent bicycle: I chose http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BG8WW2Y
<silentbicycle> those look good
<whitequark> lol, same as the ones I've purchased
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> awesome :P
<silentbicycle> I've got essentially the same ones, just sparkfun branded
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anytime I incidentally did what whitequark does, I feel smart.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've gotta leave soon. Ugh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> SO NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS SHIT
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: I just selected them randomly from a listing
<whitequark> searched for "tweezers"
<whitequark> :p
<silentbicycle> whitequark I looked at a jewelry craft store, too
<silentbicycle> I got some good tools from a bookbinding store in Ann Arbor
<silentbicycle> it turns out other hobbyist people also use lots of fiddly little tools
<whitequark> *nod*
<silentbicycle> they aren't necessarily ESD safe though
<silentbicycle> :)
<whitequark> jeweller's vise for example
<whitequark> very useful for CNC
<silentbicycle> yeah
<silentbicycle> and loupes!
<whitequark> hm I don't like them
<whitequark> I'm near-sighted and I can see tiny details really well, though
<whitequark> like I haven't encountered a loupe yet that would *enhance* my vision
<silentbicycle> oh hey ELLIOTTCABLE have you been to American Science & Surplus? http://www.sciplus.com/
<whitequark> stuff appears bigger, but it's not as convenient to work with => net negative
<silentbicycle> ELLIOTTCABLE: they have a storefront on the north end of Chicago, they have a lot of misc electronics stuff and also just fun junk like rubber sharks
<whitequark> silentbicycle: out of curiosity, what caliper do you use?
<silentbicycle> I don't have a caliper yet
<silentbicycle> O_O
<silentbicycle> any recommendations?
<silentbicycle> I have ... rulers and stuff
<ELLIOTTCABLE> silentbicycle: wassat
<whitequark> I've been using a vernier one since my father taught me how to properly use one
<ELLIOTTCABLE> silentbicycle: oh, I forgot you live near me
<whitequark> however I've been thinking of switching to a dial caliper recently, it seems... quicker and more precise
<ELLIOTTCABLE> come to Chicago sometime. (=
<whitequark> I really can't understand digital calipers though. batteries. ugh. :/
<whitequark> vernier calipers are just really damn elegant
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually, when whitequark comes to the U.S., we should have a meetup.
<silentbicycle> whitequark yeah, I've figured I should grab a decent caliper at some point, but I haven't had a pressing need for one yet.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I bet I could get devyn and glowcoil to come, although then we couldn't go to bars …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually, aren't you only like 19 or something, whitequark?
<silentbicycle> ELLIOTTCABLE I'll be in Chicago in mid April, if not sooner
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: will be 21 in april
<ELLIOTTCABLE> silentbicycle: to visit, or moving?
<silentbicycle> to visit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: :O see, in America, that'd be exciting.
<silentbicycle> weekend trip with my wife
<ELLIOTTCABLE> silentbicycle: keep in touch, yea?
<silentbicycle> seeing the Mountain Goats again
<silentbicycle> sure thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what is a Mountain Goats.
<silentbicycle> a band
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I have to go walk my dogs, and put on nicer clothes. tty'alll.
<silentbicycle> ta
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: 'exciting' ?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm?
<whitequark> not sure what you mean
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 21 birthay
<ELLIOTTCABLE> would be exciting
<whitequark> oh, since I could be able to drink
<whitequark> meh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's the drinking age here, and everybody makes a big deal out of it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yep. meh.
<whitequark> alcohol is so hugely overrated
<glowcoil> silentbicycle: ooh mountain goats
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: ooh meetups
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: do you really need to be 21 to drink?
<whitequark> I mean, what about not giving a fuck about rules
<whitequark> we have a proverb here: "strictness of russian laws is compensated by optional following of them". it is both handy and very sad.
<glowcoil> whitequark: well, going to bars is a different thing than just drinking
<glowcoil> whitequark: harder to sneak underage people into bars than to just drink alcohol at a house :p
<silentbicycle> glowcoil yeah, it'll be my fourth time seeing them
<whitequark> glowcoil: true
<silentbicycle> glowcoil if you like the mountain goats, there are a zillion live shows at the Internet Archive's live music archive: https://archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator
<silentbicycle> glowcoil many of which are QUITE good
<glowcoil> oh cool
<glowcoil> i'm a little embarassed, the only album i really know is the sunset tree
<glowcoil> :p
<glowcoil> i am no True Mountain Goats Fan
<silentbicycle> then that should keep you busy for quite a while :)
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<devyn> you can now buy passenger ferries online
<devyn> ._.
<devyn> apparently they can crank out four of those in a month
<joelteon> i hate when youtube just says "fuck you"
<joelteon> and won't stream any data
<devyn> joelteon: I'm not surprised they lost the package
<devyn> they're pretty incompetent when things go wrong
<joelteon> me neither
<joelteon> I wonder where it went
<joelteon> like...where do lost packages go
<devyn> you'd think they'd have a big database of "these packages were supposed to be delivered a week ago"
<devyn> and check that
<joelteon> who's gonna get those shoes
<devyn> I guess not
<joelteon> what happens to them
<joelteon> do they sit in a warehouse forever?
<devyn> they probably got stolen
<joelteon> meh
<joelteon> list of possible future vendors to steal from: canada post
<joelteon> alright estimated 5 hours 28 minutes left on my 416 MB download
<joelteon> i wonder if comcast is literally just chock full of drooling idiots
<joelteon> how are they able to stay in business
<devyn> joelteon: oligopoly
<joelteon> yep
<devyn> ah damn where's alexgordon when you need him
<devyn> British Columbia vs. UK
<joelteon> hehe
<devyn> http://i.imgur.com/dEy5D.jpg great lakes over Europe hahahaha
<joelteon> what country is that on top of italy
<joelteon> is that denmark
<devyn> Denmark is not on top of Italy
<devyn> :p
<joelteon> yeah i knew it sounded wrong
<devyn> the small country?
<devyn> smallish
<joelteon> give me a few minutes to let the page load
<joelteon> yeah the one that michigan is superimposed on
<joelteon> is that switzerland
<devyn> erm what Michigan is on France
<joelteon> yay it's switzerland
<joelteon> yeah, michigan is on switzerland and a bit of france
<devyn> ...no?
<joelteon> wot
<devyn> mostly France
<joelteon> that's like 50/50
<joelteon> if you're trying to get me to treat upper peninsula like part of michigan
<joelteon> you're just the worst
<devyn> really?
<devyn> cos I'm pretty sure you're looking at the wrong lake
<joelteon> no...
<joelteon> i meant the *state*, Michigan
<joelteon> not the lake
<devyn> oh
<devyn> okay
<devyn> clarify next time
<joelteon> my mistake
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
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<devyn> so I just got asked to escort a bunch of japanese schoolgirls at the end of march around downtown Vancouver
<devyn> I'm not even kidding
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<whitequark> hahah dijkstra is awesome
<yorickpeterse> Typical Dutch too, heh
<yorickpeterse> not hard to tell either that he doesn't speak much Dutch around the time of the interview
<yorickpeterse> It's correct, but not as fluent anymore as it probably used to be
<whitequark> he's so vicious, you could collect venom in a glass under your screen
<whitequark> <3 dijkstra
<purr> Let it be known that whitequark hearts dijkstra.
<yorickpeterse> Well yeah, he does come off as a bit arrogant at times
<yorickpeterse> but if you look at his history one should be able to see why that is
<whitequark> "a bit arrogant" ?
<whitequark> there's even a saying, "in computing science, arrogance is measured in nanodijkstras"
<yorickpeterse> haha
<whitequark> sure, a bit arrogant
<whitequark> USSR was slightly communist
<whitequark> light is slightly fast
<whitequark> and universe is a tad large
<yorickpeterse> These days we just have people like Ledorf, dhh and Dahl
<yorickpeterse> BACK IN THE OLD DAYS
<whitequark> Lerdorf? Rasmus?
<yorickpeterse> yes
<whitequark> I don't think he's arrogant, on the contrary
<yorickpeterse> No, but he created PHP
<whitequark> I mean, he publicly admits PHP is shit
<yorickpeterse> Same goes for Dahl
<yorickpeterse> I wonder what I'll be like in 50 years, besides old and grumpy and owning 10 cats
<whitequark> well, for one, you definitely won't have a turing award
<yorickpeterse> :<
<yorickpeterse> that's very motivating
<yorickpeterse> Though I have to agree that it is rather unlikely, unless I somehow invent Plan 12 and take over the world
<whitequark> you'll still be doing rails
<whitequark> except it will be 50-year legacy by that point
<whitequark> like COBOL
<whitequark> and all the cool kids will have moved to nodejs
<whitequark> think about it, your daughter will code for nodejs
<yorickpeterse> implying I have kids
<whitequark> as if that wasn't depressing enough, yes.
<yorickpeterse> I have no interest in diapers everywhere
<whitequark> newsflash: most parents don't have any interest in diapers
<whitequark> if they do, it's called "fetish"
<yorickpeterse> hue hue
<yorickpeterse> also fuck you for that tweet :P
<yorickpeterse> Shockingly enough it seems I actually have to help write a scientific paper in the coming few months
<yorickpeterse> at least from what I've been told
<yorickpeterse> "Yorick, don't get scared but we'll have to collaborate on writing a scientific paper for $TOP_SECRET_PROJECT with $ANOTHER_COWORKER" - CTO
<yorickpeterse> I will have to refrain from making fun of things
* whitequark is still giggling over "a bit arrogant"
<yorickpeterse> maybe I should practise by writing a 200 page paper on why Mongo is fucking terrible
<prophile> mongo is great
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: ha
<prophile> he died far too young
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<prophile> (actually he didn't, he was like 80)
<whitequark> 72
<whitequark> I wish he could live another twenty years or so
<whitequark> at least.
<whitequark> devyn: shit
<yorick> yorickpeterse: go figure out a way to use zero-knowledge proofs to do electronic voting securely and anonymously
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: LOL at his bio: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/bio.html
<purr> LOL
<yorickpeterse> yorick: that's too fucking boring
<yorick> yorickpeterse: ur mom's too fucking boring!
<yorickpeterse> more interested in writing a self aware *proper* AI
<yorickpeterse> which is going to be like, next to impossible
<yorick> yorickpeterse: as long as you make it friendly
<yorick> and not something that wants to turn the earth into paperclips or doesn't care about life
<whitequark> or nodejs
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<yorickpeterse> also that bio is amazing
<yorickpeterse> I'd make an AI Clippy
<yorickpeterse> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME HELP WITH THAT?
<whitequark> lol there's a webcomic about that (roughly)
<purr> lol
<whitequark> huh?
<yorickpeterse> channel died
<whitequark> no
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<whitequark> that thing when your CTO says a good ruby mascot would be, quote, "repainted Haruhi"
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<glowcoil> whitequark: a lot of people use that and Max/MSP for the purposes of music
<glowcoil> whitequark: it seems like it'd get a little frustrating to do anything complicated but people do really cool things in the real world with it