purr changed the topic of #elliottcable to: this is CLEARLY a cult.YEP
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> merp.
<prophile> beep
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuckoff
<alexgordon> gu
<alexgordon> gu
<alexgordon> y8
<alexgordon> hi
<purr> alexgordon: hi!
<alexgordon> :D
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<audy> is there an MVC thingy for doing command-line interfaces?
<audy> I want to make a telnet BBS
<audy> okay fine i'll make it myself http://d.pr/i/BCRW
<joelteon> hehe
<joelteon> neat
<glowcoil> omg vxjunkies
<glowcoil> ugh my metabolism has ground to a halt
<glowcoil> and my sleep schedule defies any mathematical modeling
<glowcoil> a spray of random dots on a scatter plot
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: i know how you feel all the time now
<glowcoil> ._.
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: lily's a cutie
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<whitequark> huh, durarara!! is pretty fascinating. in one sentence: Anonymous (the group, yes) and their meatspace rivalry with other factions, set in a connected world.
<vil> glowcoil: the buildup thing that happens immediately at the beginning
<glowcoil> vil: the like, wrthprhtprhthpt that happens every couple bars?
<vil> yeah
<glowcoil> oh yeah I was proud of that
<glowcoil> the way I did it:
<vil> I like it a lot
<glowcoil> took like a 16th/32nd-note-sized chunk of the vocal harmonies that I was chopping up
<glowcoil> and repeated it
<glowcoil> and automated the volume to rise
<vil> oh cool
<glowcoil> I did a lot of sample-chopping and repeating
<glowcoil> kind of Clams Casino-esque
<vil> I really like the LVL instrumental
<vil> I think I have it sitting in my music folder to sort
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<glowcoil> oh nice
<glowcoil> yeah i love everything clams has
<glowcoil> makes*
<glowcoil> a$ap is a genius as well
<glowcoil> not at all lyrically, but just delivery-wise, flow-wise, he's a god
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<whitequark> you know what I hate? I hate when translators map "好き" and "愛" to "like" and "love" with random()!
<whitequark> the distinction between former is confuzzy enough as it is
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<alexgordon> glowcoil: idea: a function like "3rd" to get the third item from a tuple
<alexgordon> e.g. [(a, b, c), (x, y, z)].map(3rd) --> [c, z]
<alexgordon> I've always hated haskell's "fst" and "snd"
<joelteon> view _1
<glowcoil> haha joelteon and your lenses
<joelteon> my eyesight sucks
<glowcoil> alexgordon: idk there should be a more generic tuple system that doesn't stop at 7
<joelteon> yeah, it's called algebraic data types
<joelteon> i think a 3-tuple should be the largest that's possible to construct
<glowcoil> yeah actually anything more than 3-tuples are dumb
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi, all
<glowcoil> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<glowcoil> didja hear my song i made
<ELLIOTTCABLE> glowcoil: not yet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -clouds
<glowcoil> ok
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: is stuck up in the clouds; hilight 'em if you want 'em.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> UPPERMOST right now, feels'in my brain
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you know what I still don't understand?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> electricity.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ddis
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hey, whitequark
<ELLIOTTCABLE> opinions on this thread?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or, just *post* your opinions there, and benefit everyone <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but let me know when you do.
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: i can explain electricity if what you need is on a simple enough level that i've learned it
<glowcoil> 2 years of high school physics and then a couple semesters of college physics' worth :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hahaha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm learning this shit. I can do the math, on paper, and I can work with the values …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so, I have a ‘working knowledge.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but I don't grok it.
<glowcoil> ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE> as I was saying to whitequark the other day
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I just can't wrap my head around the “water flow” analogies that everyone uses. They don't give me any sort of ‘click.’
<glowcoil> do you have an understanding of like, potentials in general
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the gravity analogy is a *little* bit better, for me
<glowcoil> like, water flow and pressure, and balls rolling down tubes and gravity
<glowcoil> are *very* analogous
<glowcoil> it's all potential fields
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can kind of wrap my head around “The resistance is *distance*, and the voltage is *weight* being up high; and then electrical power is that weight being exerted over that distance.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or something.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh.
<glowcoil> resistance isn't distance really
<glowcoil> *although*
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the most useful sentence I ever read was something like,
<glowcoil> it's like, friction basically
<glowcoil> like, literally friction
<glowcoil> because it's collisions of particles resulting in heat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “Gravitational potential energy is exerted as power over *distance*; electrical potential energy is exerted as power over *resistance*.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I have *no idea* how I hadn't heard of Uppermost before.
<glowcoil> what's uppermost
<ELLIOTTCABLE> About once a month, I run across an artist I'd *derided*
<glowcoil> usic?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, if I heard about it in passing, I was like “lol u stupid punk-rock fans” or “lol u stupid ska fans” or “lol u stupid heavy metal fans”
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> somehow I'd just *always* thought an artist was something else that I wouldn't like.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> frankly, probably because I'd known some sort of person I didn't like, and I vaguely recall them liking that band.
<glowcoil> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and then YEAAAAARS late into the game, I actually *hear* something on Spotify radio or something, I'm like, THIS IS EXCELLENT DUBSTEP or THIS IS EXCELLENT ELECTRONICA
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and I look over, and it's an artist's name that I ‘knew’ to be shitty whiny-kid-with-guitar music.
<glowcoil> wait is uppermost punk or ska or heavy metal
<glowcoil> it says electronic
<glowcoil> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and mind blown, and elliott-feels-like-an-idiot, every. single. time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yes, that's the point.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's electronic, and pretty good stuff. listening now.
<glowcoil> GenresElectro House, Electroclash, Dubstep, Progressive house, Experimental, French Electro
<glowcoil> meh not exactly my mind-blowing jam
<glowcoil> but i'd listen
<glowcoil> the things that really whet my whistle
<glowcoil> are like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> just sent you one
<glowcoil> cool i'll put it on
<ELLIOTTCABLE> need good subs, for the kinds of stuff I like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, I wouldn't enjoy this current song *at all* on phone speakers
<glowcoil> oh which account did you send it to
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and it'd be merely “okay” on my Prius's sound-system, or on goodish headphones
<glowcoil> yeah these monitors are like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but it's *mind-blowing*, *soul-melting*, sitting here in my living-room.
<glowcoil> $100-200 so like,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> idfk, “Micah Johnston”
<glowcoil> probably my old one
<glowcoil> i had one that wasn't facebook and then i had one that was facebook
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh gods get them merged damnit
<glowcoil> so like, not like a concert in your living room
<glowcoil> but like, *invaluable* for producing
<glowcoil> i could not produce without them
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, I know what monitors are :P
<glowcoil> can you do that
<glowcoil> :p
<glowcoil> yaikno lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pretty sure they'll merge them if you contact 'em
<ELLIOTTCABLE> think the music just literally made my dog shit herself
<ELLIOTTCABLE> now I feel like a bad person
<glowcoil> egh contacting companies
<ELLIOTTCABLE> erm, beb
<glowcoil> but yeah uh yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> one of my dogs can't handle my oven's evacuation-hood (one time, girlfriend turned it on to cook bacon … max comes over and stands next to me, trembling terrified and whimpering, in the farrrr corner of the room … she turns it up one more notch, and he literally shits on my foot)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and now the other one can't handle my subwoofers. )'=
<glowcoil> haha aw
<glowcoil> man
<ELLIOTTCABLE> song I sent you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Futur by Uppermost, off Action
<glowcoil> you should just spotify-link it or w/e
<glowcoil> in here
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gets really good around, idk, 3:30 or 4:00
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I listen off my phone.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> OS X has ironically terrible support for Airplay.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 4:00-ish has this *really* meet, grungy beat to it
<glowcoil> so i know you hate soundcloud links or w/e but
<ELLIOTTCABLE> grungy, chunky filter over the vocals giving it a positive beat, really enjoyed it
<glowcoil> this song is the best ever sounds i know of at th emoment
<glowcoil> like, sit back and nothing is wrong
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh gods oh gods oh gods
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the last twenty seconds of that song dropped down to, like, 25Hz
<ELLIOTTCABLE> was up, trying to clean up dog shit, and *I* nearly shat myself
<glowcoil> most speakers are highpassed above that lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm always *so happy* when I come across music that doesn't assume everybody, everywhere is unable to hear anything below 60hz
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the deep, deep bass is what rocks my world.
<glowcoil> what's the track title
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that was Futur, or maybe the beginning of Gone. was across the room, not sure.
<glowcoil> ok trying those out
<glowcoil> what's ddis
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ddis auto-completes to ಠ_ಠ for me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> … usually
<glowcoil> oh ok lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I type *really*, really fast, you know that. OS X often fails to keep up.
<glowcoil> :p
<glowcoil> so:
<glowcoil> i woke up at 5pm yesterday
<glowcoil> and haven't slept since then
<glowcoil> so that's, 21 hrs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ew.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> go sleep.
<glowcoil> leaving to a concert in like, 3-4 hrs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've actually been miraculously on-schedule for almost two weeks now.
<glowcoil> so i guess i should nap till then
<glowcoil> :/
<ELLIOTTCABLE> for no apparent reason.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> after months of shitty, shitty insomnia.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> scatter-plot sleep schedule.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> SPSS.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh. concerts.
<glowcoil> haha i made that joke earlier
<glowcoil> scatter plot sleep schedule
<ELLIOTTCABLE> … yes … duh …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's what I was referencing … >,<
<glowcoil> oh ok lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh my god this answers one of my huge questions
<glowcoil> so the concert is like, probably what you'd call "whiny guitar music"
<glowcoil> but like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so loads and sources **are** opposite with respect to each other!
<glowcoil> they're probably one of my favorite several artists ever
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gods, that's confusing. I wish he'd said that straight-out.
<glowcoil> they transcend most "whiny guitar music" things
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh somebody help
<glowcoil> like, they draw from like "post-hardcore" and "indie" and "christian music" and shit but they are not in any of those categories
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: basically you never lose track of electrons
<glowcoil> unless you have something crazy like a capacitor
<glowcoil> they never pile up
<glowcoil> they always go somewhere
<glowcoil> so, current into a junction = current going out of a junction
<glowcoil> etc.
<glowcoil> same with volts, it's like height so
<glowcoil> you can't be gaining or losing it as you go around forever
<glowcoil> potential difference all the way around the circuit is always 0
<glowcoil> unless you are in an escher painting
<ELLIOTTCABLE> sorry, was talking to people in ##electronics
<ELLIOTTCABLE> useful lot
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's like the opposite of ##C
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I say I'm a noob, and two dozen people all try to help me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, thing said current is always the same everywhere in a single closed circuit.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “potential difference all the way around the circuit is always 0?”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I thought there was a voltage drop across, like, a resistor. duh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> current is the same, so Ohm's ‘law’, voltage has to change if resistance does
<ELLIOTTCABLE> have to take a break and make some critical calls.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> go goddamned sleep, glowcoil
<ELLIOTTCABLE> o7
<prophile> ELLIOTTCABLE: there can be a voltage drop across a resistor
<prophile> but the total voltage drop around the entire circuit is 0
<prophile> so the voltage source will be a voltage increase which balances it out
<prophile>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, duh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but a voltage has to be taken with *reference* to something
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so when I hear, “across the entire circuit,” I think, on opposite sides. Which means the voltage difference of all the components between would be shown, right?
<prophile> it means
<prophile> if you take any node
<prophile> then walk through a series of a components that leads you back to that node
<prophile> the sum of all the potential differences you've gone through will be zero
<prophile> current and voltage on their own are pretty boring and obey a simple set of rules
<prophile> what a component does, essentially, is set some relationship between current and voltage
<prophile> and that's where all the interesting bits happen
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, yes, clearly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> sorry, getting to that part
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's me. I'm a bottom-up learner.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want to sit down, and grok all the component concepts, before I tackle anything based on them.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I insisted on learning Ruby before I learned (my original goal,) Rails. And later regretted not learning ISO C properly before Ruby.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so I want to understand electrical flow, and all the conventions and terminology used to describe this shit, before I worry about interesting circuits or applications or what I can do with it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> /=
<prophile> in my experience neither the top-down or the bottom-up approach are particularly good...
<prophile> just learn things as they come and make connections
<prophile> the "chaos" approach to learning :3
* ELLIOTTCABLE grins
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anybody doing JSconf US?
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