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<damnDirtyApe>
!la
<damnDirtyApe>
!ls
<damnDirtyApe>
anyone know off hand if you can get the cubie to pass network packets promiscuously up the stack with a quick config change, or if its something down in the driver?
<damnDirtyApe>
logs say its entering promisicuous mode..but damn thing only passes up broadcasts, and packet addressed to it
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<lunra>
...
<lunra>
well, for anyone wondering, routers don't send packets along wires that they don't need to be on
<lunra>
So, you only get packets addressed to your ethernet address
<lunra>
If you're on WiFi it's another story, but that's because effectively you're sharing the same 'wire'
<rm>
lunra, switches
<lunra>
hm?
<rm>
-> <lunra> well, for anyone wondering, switches don't send packets along wires that they don't need to be on
<lunra>
yeah
<lunra>
however hubs send everything, because they do nothing
<rm>
yes
<rm>
and the point is there are no new hubs made in perhaps 15 years or so
<lunra>
they're good for one-to-many networks though, where everyone is recieving the same stuff
<lunra>
certain cluster topologies would probably do okay with an impromptu hub
<lunra>
idk if gigabit can even be hubbed though
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<Vostok>
i once had to connect three machines together, so i just soldered three ethernet cables parallel :)
<Vostok>
the network dropped once in a while, but worked
<Hukka>
pics or didn't happen ;)
<Vostok>
i actually took pics. wonder where they are.
<Vostok>
that was 12 years ago
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<bagnz0r>
Hi guys -- I need to build custom android here, and what I see on the website...
<bagnz0r>
?is the entire AOSP source tree.
<bagnz0r>
Could anyone here provide ONLY the device tree, vendor and kernel?
<bagnz0r>
Ordinary Android image seems to have "some" support, because it seems to detect the input device.
<bagnz0r>
But doesn't work at all.
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<popolon>
mnemoc, looking at what you said yesterday, the linaro ppa doesn't work anymore, but the toolchain is instead already included in default ubuntu (perhaps in partners part ?)
<popolon>
Category : Développement (universe)
<popolon>
on Saucy
<popolon>
about the same on raring
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<popolon>
universe is : free software developed by the community
<popolon>
oh !
<bagnz0r>
I hope any changes to frameworks or kernel won't cause the build to vomit on OS X...
<popolon>
didn't see linaro-boot-utils:
<popolon>
This package contains utilities useful for booting development boards
<popolon>
with corrupt or no boot media over a USB or serial connection to a
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<bagnz0r>
It seems that the sync fails at local manifest
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<lumprich>
Hi, I will buy me a cubieboard2 and use it as a media center. Is the quality from line-out better as from raspberry pi? Sorry for my bad english.
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<bagnz0r>
Yes.
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<lumprich>
bagnz0r: thanks
<ttmrichter>
OK, I'm a little unclear on how to get things to actually boot from an SD card. I've got a 4GB SD card with lubuntu 12.04 burned into it. The card is in the slot when I power up the board. Nothing boots up. Which vital step am I missing?
<ttmrichter>
Sorry, to be clear, I mean the OS doesn't boot up.
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<ttmrichter>
Eventually some kind of test mode boots up and tests IR, NETWORK, SATA, UDISK, MMC in sequence.
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<Turl>
ttmrichter: what image did you burn to your card?
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<ttmrichter>
Turl: Turns out I burnt the NAND image. :) When I burnt the SD image it worked fine.
<popolon>
do you mean you fill the card by dd ?
<popolon>
burn is more related to cd
<popolon>
flashing for nand
<popolon>
:)
<lunra>
There's a Chinese term for it as well which isn't obvious when translated to English, IIRC
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<popolon>
luka, for what ?
<popolon>
for sd, flash or cd ?
<lunra>
do you mean me? I mean for flashing
<popolon>
in french we say 'graver' => meaning engraving for cd
<popolon>
like disks
<lunra>
then again, 'flashing' doesn't make much sense either, only when you know how the cells are erased
<lunra>
That makes more sense, popolon
<lunra>
I think the term used is 'brushing'
<lunra>
don't quote me on that, may have just been a bad translation
<popolon>
oh, traditionnal engraving printing in chinese, is called yingshua
<popolon>
meaning brushing picture
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<lunra>
Interesting
<popolon>
because in chinises engraving method, the picture is duplicated by brushing the paper
<popolon>
as, as far I know, they use chinese (indian for english) ink
<popolon>
that's water diluated ink
<popolon>
in europe we use oil diluated ink for printing
<popolon>
so need more pressure
<popolon>
that's probably related too
<popolon>
but flash is adapted to NAND flash memory after allo
<popolon>
all
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<popolon>
so only english terminology adapted to CD technology, where laser burn the disk
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<focus>
popolon: i stay in China Guangzhou province for 2 years - know Guangzho and Shenzhen well
<popolon>
and the wide vertical brush is for ink (the brush is in the ink cup here)
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<lunra>
has anyone used SPI on the cubieboard? I just wired up a '595 shift register to SPI0
<ttmrichter>
Does anybody have a Cubieboard (A10) FreeBSD prebuilt image available somewhere?
<lunra>
interestingly outputs 0 and 1 keep blinking every now and then...
<lunra>
ttmrichter, I'd be surprised if there's a FreeBSD on Cortex-A8 at all, I went looking for one last time someone mentioned FreeBSD in here which was about a week ago
<ttmrichter>
It's apparently possible to build it, but it relies, it seems, on someone already running FreeBSD which I'm not.
<lunra>
woah, how did I not find that -_-. Sorry
<lunra>
interestingly it's saying ARMv6
<ttmrichter>
I'm just interested in the fact that they've got instructions for hoop-jumping, but nobody thought of, you know, just supplying a binary image. :)
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<B3RN0UT>
hi, could someone help me? i'm a totally a beginner in linux & cubieboard :D
<lunra>
well, it sucks to upload a multi-gigabyte SD image, but a prebuilt kernel and userland would have been nice...
<lunra>
B3RN0UT: What's up?
<ttmrichter>
lunra: It's a preposition. It denotes a position or direction of superior altitude.
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<lunra>
Why is the attitude superior? I quite like it down here.
<lunra>
*altitude
<ttmrichter>
Just the way the language works, unfortunately.
<B3RN0UT>
lunra: i've set up my cubie and installed the cubiez image on a 2,5 hdd via Win32DiskImager, why see i a android os an not he cubieez image? ^^
<lunra>
ttmrichter: The language also allows for "What's up?" to mean something other than "What is in-position-above?"
<B3RN0UT>
first time i've started the cubie2, what do i need or what do i make wrong here?
<ttmrichter>
Yes, but it's not funny to interpret things that way.
* ttmrichter
clarifies: funny to me.
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<lunra>
B3RN0UT: Cubieboards cannot boot over SATA. Also, what image did you use?
<B3RN0UT>
cubieez kernel 3.4.43
<B3RN0UT>
i don't have a external sd, do i have to install something directly on the onboard flash? and how do i do that? :D
<lunra>
have you got a cubieboard1 or a cubieboard2?
<lunra>
Unlike regular computers, different cubieboards and other ARM boards are not quite compatible
<B3RN0UT>
i would like to use this yes, that's what i want to do
<lunra>
Have you got a Linux livecd or something that you can run on your regular computer?
<lunra>
Using Linux to do the disk copy -greatly- reduces possibility of problems, from what I've seen
<B3RN0UT>
currently not, but i can create one that's not the problem
<lunra>
basically that image has to go onto microSD card
<lunra>
it can't go right onto a HDD
<lunra>
The NAND (flash) install script seems to need to be run from a running cubieboard
<lunra>
so you need to boot the cubieboard from a microSD card, then run the install script (or leave it on microSD), then you can move some stuff onto HDD
<B3RN0UT>
maybe we should go the other way if that's easier... :D for me it doesn't matter which OS i use, all what i want to do is to set up owncloud :D
<lunra>
unfortunately these devices are not suited to people who haven't got a good Linux background, but we can try to help
<lunra>
especially since some things are frustrating even for people who have been doing this for ages, and not everything is documented well...
<B3RN0UT>
haha ^^ i've found a good instruction how ot set up owncloud but it's based on a raspberry
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<B3RN0UT>
so he introduce the set up on raspbian
<lunra>
raspbian and debian are similar, just that raspbian is optimised for Raspberry Pi (and won't run elsewhere afaik, certainly not without modification)
<lunra>
so, you're on the right track
<lunra>
but you'll need a microSD card
<lunra>
sorry if I'm not quite making sense, I'm a little bit sleep deprived
<B3RN0UT>
that's what i thought, i've trouble at the first steps the rest should go on it's own
<B3RN0UT>
but the cubieboard has some space directly on the board or?
<ttmrichter>
lunra: You can flash the NAND from the USB, no?
<ttmrichter>
It's just finicky and bad for your sanity. :)
<lunra>
yes, but IIRC it's hard to make those images
<lunra>
like REALLY hard
<ttmrichter>
Oh, I see. Making a custom NAND image strikes me as black magic indeed.
<B3RN0UT>
isn't it possible to install some kind of bootloader directly on the board or do i miss understood anything here ^^
<lunra>
B3RN0UT: It does have some NAND flash, but it's difficult to program it from another computer
<lunra>
u-boot bootloader runs from microSD or NAND but noone has used it to boot from SATA afaik and either way modification is needed
<B3RN0UT>
it must be similiar to my android smartphone where i've installed cyanogen mod doesn't it?
<lunra>
kind of
<lunra>
Do you have a microSD card?
<B3RN0UT>
only in my smartphone
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<B3RN0UT>
which size should be necessary?
<lunra>
according to the forum post, 2GB
<B3RN0UT>
mby a microsd is at my house xD
<lunra>
?
<lunra>
the card will be completely erased when you put the image on it
<B3RN0UT>
maybe i can find one in a old device ;)
<B3RN0UT>
yeah i know
<lunra>
so you'll have to back up everything on it
<lunra>
okay, just making sure, people sometimes don't realise until after they do it ...
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<B3RN0UT>
@lunra do i also need a card reader or can i put it directly into the cubie?
<B3RN0UT>
and can it handle a 8gb one?
<ttmrichter>
B3RN0UT: There's a MicroSD reader in the board that can cope, supposedly, with 64GB cards.
<B3RN0UT>
sound gr8 :D
<B3RN0UT>
btw do u have time to help me setting up? i wouldn't steal your freetime
<ttmrichter>
I've only tested it with a 4GB one myself, and indeed that only today.
<ttmrichter>
Setting you up how?
<ttmrichter>
I'm competent to help you get a pre-built distro on an SD card and beyond that no farther. :)
<lunra>
B3RN0UT: The microSD card can be put directly in the cubieboard but you will have to use a card reader with your regular computer to put the image on
<ttmrichter>
('Cause that's all I got done today.)
<lunra>
(the cubieboard can't work as a really big card reading device for your computer)
<B3RN0UT>
thanks a lot for now :D have to transfer 1,7gb away from the sd card ;)
<B3RN0UT>
ok what do i have to do now?
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<cubieboard2>
hallo
<cubieboard2>
!ls
<B3RN0UT>
the sd card is pluged in to the cardreader at my pc
<B3RN0UT>
btw it mustn't be cubieez if u say another distribution would work quiet better
<cubieboard2>
any1 there?
<lunra>
B3RN0UT: cubieez will do, unless you want a different one
<lunra>
are you still on Windows?
<B3RN0UT>
i'm on windows yes
<lunra>
okay, I'm just reading about that tool you mentioned earlier, Win32DiskImager
<B3RN0UT>
yes
<B3RN0UT>
should i use it again the same way?
<lunra>
okay, yeah, write the cubieez image to the microSD card
<B3RN0UT>
k mom
<lunra>
did you verify the md5 sum?
<B3RN0UT>
md5 sum?
<lunra>
it's used to make sure that the download wasn't corrupted
<lunra>
I don't know how you'd obtain the md5 in Windows though
<lunra>
you can try and do it without checking, but if the download was corrupted then it might not work
<B3RN0UT>
k we'll see ^^
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<cubieboard2>
did the same thing today. really easy. @b3rn0ut: i can help you.
<lunra>
alright, basically, you write the image to the microSD card, then put the card into the cubie and turn it on, you should get output on HDMI
<lunra>
depending on this guy's kernel config, which I have no idea about, your SATA HDD should be usable already but you might have to partition it
<cubieboard2>
open up win32diskimager, select the cubieez image file and click write. :D that's basically it
<lunra>
(fwiw I'm running my cubieboard1 with Arch Linux on NAND flash with /home on a 1TB SATA HDD)
<cubieboard2>
just make sure, that you select the correct device to write
<B3RN0UT>
haha yes thx :D
<lunra>
yes, this is important, it's easy to destroy data with these kind of tools
<B3RN0UT>
i guess the cardreade is usb 1.0 WTF
<B3RN0UT>
2% :/ we'll wait ^_^
<cubieboard2>
and btw the user is root and the password is cubieboard
<B3RN0UT>
yes I've read it before on another site/tutorial
<lunra>
probably not a good idea to run owncloud as root, B3RN0UT
<B3RN0UT>
@cubieboard2 my problem is/was i've tried it directly on the hdd which wont work... ^^
<lunra>
so you might want to make a note to read about creating a new user
<lunra>
oh, I assumed you were using a SATA HDD, is it actually USB?
<lunra>
(it doesn't really matter either way, I'm just curious)
<B3RN0UT>
ok a normal user with no write rights yes? and configure under the new user owncloud as root like at win7 am i right? :D
<B3RN0UT>
the hdd is attached directly on the sata port
<lunra>
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you said about users
<cubieboard2>
i'm not sure but did you try to write the image on the hdd?
<cubieboard2>
and it didn't work?
<B3RN0UT>
you've said i should use another user to set up owncloud
<lunra>
as for the HDD, good, I hope that SATA is enabled in the cubieez kernel image (people who upload images ought to list their kernel config!)
<B3RN0UT>
a user without any root rights yes?
<lunra>
B3RN0UT: Yes, but they'll need write permissions for the files that owncloud will work with
<lunra>
I'm not familiar with owncloud so I can't help with that prt
<lunra>
*part
<B3RN0UT>
ah that's the point yes ^^
<B3RN0UT>
no problem
<lunra>
but you should be fine once you get this running on your cubieboard
<B3RN0UT>
cubieboard2: lunra told that the board can't boot from the hdd directly
<B3RN0UT>
7% done -.-'''
<lunra>
oh what the hell, to use GPIOs you have to tell the board in the fex file?! Not worth losing my uptime-prestige :>
<B3RN0UT>
i cancel it and put the micro sd into my phone this should work faster xD
<lunra>
uhh
<lunra>
not a good idea
<B3RN0UT>
why?
<lunra>
the card reader is less likely to modify the data
<B3RN0UT>
you see the sd in the explorer as one
<lunra>
well, I wouldn't risk it, but if you want...
<lunra>
my cubieboard1 has been up 125 days, 12:02.
<lunra>
That's one stable embedded platform. My beagleboard-xM lasted only 34 days before suddenly deciding to fail, and it doesn't seem that the PSU was at fault...
<B3RN0UT>
do u also have a raspberry?
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<lunra>
I _did_, but I applied the wrong polarity to the power rails when trying to make it portable... and I blew it up. oops.
<B3RN0UT>
xDD what do u think is the best one so far?
<cubieboard2>
hey b3rn0ut do you speak german?
<lunra>
cubieboard1, but I've only had: beagleboard-xM, Raspberry Pi, MK802 clone (AK802), and cubieboard1
<lunra>
the raspberry pi used to lock up randomly as well
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<jelly>
one wonders how reversing the polarity always seems to work in star trek
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<Bushmills>
i reckon it was his subconciousness, compelling him to connect the pi with reverse polarity, because he wanted to get rid of it
<popolon>
there is cubian
<popolon>
for cubieboard
<popolon>
a little like raspbian
<lunra>
Bushmills: Quite plausable, the bloody thing pissed me off very often
<lunra>
with its abysmal USB, random lockups, poor performance... the RPi is terrible, IMO
<lunra>
(USB packets are dropped often, in addition to the polyfuse problems on earlier boards)
<popolon>
B3RN0UT, you can only boot on µSD (using the cubieboard2 integrated reader) or integrated flash nand
<popolon>
but after that, you can flash an uboot version that boot on SATA or USB disk
<popolon>
oh, I forgot you can also use netboot with default uboot, if I m not wrong
<B3RN0UT>
thx for the information but i'll use now the µSD to boot ;)
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<popolon>
most work, but graphics (2D/3D) acceleration
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<popolon>
so that's slower and SoC heat a little (you can put your finger only during 2~3second on SoC before starting to feel the hot temperature of the SoC
<popolon>
xscreensaver is more a cpuwaster without graphics acceledation
<popolon>
s/acceledation/acceleration/
<infobot>
popolon meant: xscreensaver is more a cpuwaster without graphics acceleration
<popolon>
and can use 1,5 CPU power all the time
<popolon>
1.5 (there is 2 cpu on the cubieboard)
<popolon>
2
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<TopperDEL>
!ls
<TopperDEL>
!ls 3.5mm-jacks
<TopperDEL>
!explpm 3.5mm-jacks
<TopperDEL>
Hi! Can anybody tell me if I can use the line-in on the cubieboard 2 with the built-in android? Can I plug in a simple mic or what ist meant with "additional hardware" in the 3.5mm-jacks-FAQ?
<TopperDEL>
Or will Android use a USB-Microphone from a headset?
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<TopperDEL>
Anybody there?
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<rm>
people using Android (1%)
<rm>
* people using/needing Line-In (1%)
<rm>
=0.01%
<rm>
that's why you probably shouldn't expect a quick reply :)
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<Baronawesome>
Guys I need some halp regarding SATA
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<Baronawesome>
ugh, my internet borked
<Baronawesome>
I mounted a NTFS disk on /mnt but i'm having poor write speeds
<Baronawesome>
read speeds seems to be okay according to hdparm
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<wooy>
well TopperDEL was impatient, but thats his problem since the answer is no, no mic will work well if at all in line-in
<wooy>
Baronawesome: ntfs is really bad choice in linux; you would probably get better results teaching your window speak ext3 or something
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<popolon>
ntfs => harly keep good timedate, sucks lot of cpu, very slow
<popolon>
no user rights management !
<popolon>
and usefull rights
<popolon>
& flags
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<GargantuaSauce>
yeah ntfs performs "ok" on a desktop platform where you have a few gigabytes of memory to throw at buffering
<popolon>
https://popolon.org/gblog3/?p=165&lang=en <= translated the most part of using Focus images to boot on SATA with working linaro (hw graphic acceleration still missing)
<GargantuaSauce>
but for a platform liek this it would be advisable to avoid ntfs for sure
<popolon>
in any case it is far slower
<popolon>
on linux
<popolon>
and you will not be able to keep most of unix files rights and flags
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<popolon>
good enough for some not precious data files
<Baronawesome>
I thought it was because of some sort of hardware bottleneck cubieboard had
<Baronawesome>
well, i'll try formating it to ext4
<GargantuaSauce>
ext4 is also preferable because it uses journaling for data instead of just metadata, and if you're anything like me you knock out the power to the damn thing twice a day
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<froy>
Baronawesome, my spinning sata drive is noticeably faster than my 10x (30MB/s) uSD card.
<froy>
on my cubieboard
<Baronawesome>
so it is really not a bottleneck
<Baronawesome>
should've known that using NTFS from start was a bad idea
<GargantuaSauce>
yeah the limiting factor is really fuse/ntfs-3g
<GargantuaSauce>
or rather, the above running on a relatively wussy SoC
<froy>
fuse ntfs-3g is slow even on fast computers
<popolon>
even on a corei3
<popolon>
ntfs-3g is slow
<popolon>
I mean really slow, and has high cpu usage
<popolon>
I use it for data on my wife notebook thinking she will perhaps use preinstalled windows a day, but as, she doesn't use it at all, and work easily with xubuntu
<popolon>
I today think to reformat it to ext4
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<popolon>
hope there will be quickly nice netbook, with arm SoCs => throw x86 and it's preinstalled windows
<popolon>
s/netbook/notebook/
<infobot>
popolon meant: hope there will be quickly nice notebook, with arm SoCs => throw x86 and it's preinstalled windows
<popolon>
else large tablet with keyboard
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<wickwire>
Hi guys, does anyone know if cubieboard 2 only works with linaro ALIP? no other linaro ubuntu variants (like server, developer, desktop)?