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<Cloudflare> y a des chan français sur freenode mryandao ?
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<mryandao> i dont speak french
<Cloudflare> mryandao: that's just plain rude
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<luke-jr> it's rude to not speak French?
<Cloudflare> luke-jr: I think I just had mryandao
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<e0> anyone know if the python implementation of coinshuffle++ has been published anywhere?
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<kanzure> e0: they did not write this one but here's a thing https://github.com/DanielKrawisz/Shufflepuff/commits/master
<kanzure> er this was probably before coinshuffle++
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<e0> I've been folllowing shufflepuff, it looks like they are making lots of progress. I asked on twitter and they said they weren't rolling the coinshuffle++ changes into shufflepuff, but maybe that has changed now.
<e0> Sadly the tar.gz is the old code.
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<fluffypony> "DDoSCoin: Cryptocurrency with a Malicious Proof-of-Work"
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<waxwing> fluffypony: yeah posted it here a couple of days back, it's a creative thought :)
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<bsm117532> This might not be entirely useless -- an analagous idea might be used to prove that a transaction or block has propagated to a majority of nodes.
<bsm117532> Of course, it would require node identification and an authority certifying the same to work. At which point you basically have PBFT.
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<fluffypony> waxwing: ah missed it - thanks
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<nsh> bsm117532, can you expand on that?
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<e_0> Sad to see the XIM implementation hasn't been updated since Dec: https://github.com/hudon/refraction
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<bsm117532> nsh: PAXOS/Raft/PBFT identify nodes. Nakamoto identifies hashpower. Sometimes people have an idea to mix the two models, but that's the fundamental dividing line.
<proslogion> DMMS vs SMMS
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<bsm117532> proslogion: exactly. Trying to open Static Membership Multiparty Signature to new parties -- opens Sybil problems. Trying to close DMMS by identifying nodes introduces centralization (in the case of the paper fluffypony linked, the centralization is in the TLS certificate issuer -- which is how you identify nodes).
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