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<livegnik>
gmaxwell, re: your comments on BlockchainID on Reddit, have you ever taken the time to look into Sirius' Identifi? If so, any thoughts you'd like to share on it?
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<fluffypony>
I like Tim Pastoor, he's good people
<fluffypony>
and Martti is a smart guy
<livegnik>
Why thank you. :-)
<livegnik>
You're a nice pony yourself.
<livegnik>
Martti is smart enough to write more code than words.
<fluffypony>
the biggest problem is that Identifi doesn't have a token to trade on Poloniex, so does it actually exist?
<livegnik>
And as you all might know (by probably not knowing me), I rarely come out here to drop a question.
<fluffypony>
:-P
<livegnik>
You can always sell your privkey. :-)
<fluffypony>
lol
<fluffypony>
petertodd and I discussed (at the conference in Ei_PSI) doing identity and trust through proofs alone
<livegnik>
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it that Saturday, and missed him on Sunday.
<fluffypony>
I still think that there's use-cases for *some* identity data to be permanent, although I agree that most of it doesn't need to exist in any sort of global structure
<livegnik>
Mostly, identity & reputation comes down to subjective logic, so why use a consensus algo that's aimed at objective logic?
<livegnik>
Also, most identity & reputation requires TTPs, so what added value does the blockchain provide?
<fluffypony>
exactly
<livegnik>
A bunch of key-signing suffices in most cases, but Phil Zimmermann doesn't even use PGP. Hence, I'm a fan of Identifi, where the daemon does 'all the hard stuff' for you on the back-end.
<gmaxwell>
livegnik: I haven't looked at it.
<livegnik>
But Sirius' PoC is only for public data. I still believe that, conceptually, the WoT principle could be used as a permission layer.
<livegnik>
So, instead of flooding all the rows in the DB, you'd want to handle requests for specific cells.
<livegnik>
gmaxwell: Thnx.
<livegnik>
You could either set permissions on cells / rows / columns for 1st to infinite degree connections, or handle them manually. Whatever tickles your itch.
<livegnik>
It's currently being ported to Node.js, but you can find the old C++ PoC (a fork of bitcoind) here: https://github.com/livegnik/identifi
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<livegnik>
I saw BTC Drak saying on Twitter the other day that (t)he(y)'ll be releasing tools to make it easier to verify binaries. I think Identifi could be a nice tool for this, but am curious for the opinion of better-credentialed folks.
<livegnik>
... than myself.
<livegnik>
./rant
* livegnik
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<koshii>
livegnik: Phil Z doesn't use PGP? For real?