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<sipa>
wallet42: i have the bitcoind branch that generates the number somewhere
<gmaxwell>
and gnuplot
<bsm117532>
What happened last summer to generate the large increase in ~10 uBTC outputs?
<Ylbam>
stress tests ;)
<helo>
the rumored classic attack?
<wallet42>
i wanted to create a graph that uses similar historical utxo data: how many coins are created and destroyed in a certain period e.g. 1 day/1week.
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<mryandao>
wasn't Micropayment Channels proposed by Jeremy Spillman but first implemented by Mike Hearn in bitcoinj?
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<gmaxwell>
mryandao: no. They were proposed by bitcoin's creator, and implemented in bitcoinj BlueMatt.
<gmaxwell>
(and also described in public by Mike Hearn.)
<BlueMatt>
mryandao: IIRC the specific structure/script proposed was originally Jeremy Spillman and then tweaked by Hearn before I implemented it
<BlueMatt>
but the concept was satoshi, AFAIU
<gmaxwell>
BlueMatt: thanks
<sipa>
weren't there two different approaches?
<sipa>
one relying on old semantics, which doesn't actually work anymore, or so?
<BlueMatt>
sipa: there was a lot of talk of using sequence for it, ie decreasing sequence number ala lightning now that that has actual semantics
<kanzure>
another thing to point out is that micropayment as a concept is from pre-bitcoin
<BlueMatt>
afaiu this is pretty much the purpose of sequence number - payment channels