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<OxADADA>
The elegant irony of the term "Nakamoto Consensus" is that the Japanese ideograms of Nakamoto (中本) means "Central Truth"
<OxADADA>
so i hope whoever came up with the name "Nakamoto" placed the centrality in the math and not the politics :P
<sipa>
if that was intentional, it's the best troll in the history of mankind
<sipa>
satoshi really wanted central control :p
<OxADADA>
hehe, nakamoto literally wanted to be both the namesake and central authority. thats either the best troll ever, or horrifying.
<OxADADA>
i was biking home from the pub tonight, and realized that "Nakamoto" means "Central source" in Japanese and had to mention it in #bitcoin-wizards.
<gmaxwell>
perhaps not really the right understanding of 'centeral' there.
<gmaxwell>
like shared truth instead of imposed truth.
<OxADADA>
gmaxwell: thats my interpretation. the "central" truth is the shared truth.
<CodeShark>
but meh...I do not speak japanese and lack sufficient cultural context to weigh in
<CodeShark>
I thought that "moto" means "essence of" or something along those lines
<OxADADA>
CodeShark: yes, and no. Its 2 ideograms. Naka means central,median,middle, and "Moto" has more meanings including, "Truth, true, the source, the origin"
<OxADADA>
CodeShark: the company that invented MSG (the food flavoring agent) is calledd "Aji-no-Moto" which means "Flavor's'Origin" so in that sense, the "moto" part means "Origin"
<CodeShark>
"moto" is very common in japanese names...my understanding (admittedly not such a great one) is that it typically suggests the essence of what is being referred to - but I see other translations, such as "the cause" or "the basis" or "the foundation"
<CodeShark>
presumably it doesn't map cleanly onto an indo-european root :p
<OxADADA>
CodeShark: i'm not arguing that. I agree. Naka=Central Moto=Origin,Truth,Book,Source,etc. Central Origin means quite a lot difference that Decentralized non-authority.
* OxADADA
states my point
* OxADADA
shrugs
<gmaxwell>
well the blockchain is a central ledger (book) that gives an authortative ordering of transactions.
<CodeShark>
central source or central origin doesn't have to imply control. moreover, the concept of authority has lot of subtlety
<OxADADA>
gmaxwell: yes, its a centralized ledger that is decentralized in storate and verification :P
<OxADADA>
s/storate/storage
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<OxADADA>
neways, just stating an observation-connection i hoped others would find fun if they couldn't see past he Japanese language barrier.
<CodeShark>
it's a fun fact :)
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