2015-06-27 08:24
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nsh >
A framework for creating zero-knowledge mobile & desktop applications
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nsh >
'Crypton is a framework for creating zero-knowledge applications with JavaScript.'
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nsh >
i don't see this ending well
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nsh >
'Crypton is a unique way to build applications, primarily because it makes it simple for developers to store data with a server in such a way that the server doesn’t know what that data is. Additionally, all Crypton-based applications are built solely on the client, and the server acts only as a smart pipe to the database to store and retrieve data for authenticated users. A side effect of this architecture is that w
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orking with the framework is not dissimilar to using a ”backend as a service”'
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nsh: I believe this is 0bin with a lot of jargon. :P
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jcorgan >
that running cryptographic and/or money-related code in javascript or in a browser is a terrible idea has been known for a long time; at a certain point sympathy for the inevitable failures gets hard to muster.
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nsh >
still, if it can be proven to work, it is arguably beneficial to both hoster and client
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nsh >
(reduction of liability, reduction of trust, respectively)
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'There is a problem with doing cryptography in a web browser, where an end user cannot (or will not) verify the entirety of code sent to them upon loading a page - a service operator can therefore inject malicious code into a previously verified page. Because of this, we can only recommend Crypton for use in packaged applications, such as with Cordova or node-webkit. For more information, see our security model.'
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so at least they acknowledge the issue
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but you can easily envision people using it in browsers anyway
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nsh >
security model remains to be formalised, which is not promising as they clearly formulated enough marketing copy to be reference in several 'journalistic' media
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prosodyC >
That is useful information actually, thank you. Basics are still wizardry.
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nsh: still as far as I can tell, this is just "JS that encrypts data before having a server store it" .... calling it Zero knowledge is a little 0_o
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yeah, that definitely raises an eyebrow at best
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nsh >
this is maybe relevant for people trying to bootstrap stronger computational models from access structures:
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yoleaux >
Addition is Exponentially Harder than Counting for Shallow Monotone Circuits - YouTube
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nsh >
specifically via weighted thresholds
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justanotheruser >
wow finally this got posted. Are posts manually added by mods or what wtf?
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justanotheruser >
oops, mis ctrl+v
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