mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<drachensun> well I got it to build but it seems like an ugly hack
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<drachensun> hmmm now my built in USB is failing, I think there was some discussion about that on the mailing list
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<lgentili> Anyone knows, if the A13 has the same Graphic performance than the A10?
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<servili007> mnemoc: under android, meminfo shows a dram clock of 360, but shows 408 under linaro
<servili007> likely because the dram settings under u-boot-sunxi set it as such. Does that need to be corrected? it seems to run fine at the higher clock
<servili007> ah, hold that thought, I need to double check something
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<servili007> confirmed, it's 408
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<servili007> mnemoc: done
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<countz> weird, two browsers I tried can not reach any web site on my A13
<countz> but links (text browser) can
<countz> maybe a QT networking issue...
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<mnemoc> countz: you might have android's paranoid network enabled
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<orly_owl> that sounds handy
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<Skaag> mnemoc: that was exactly the problem. I added a group with id 3003, and added the user to that group and now it works
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<libv> Skaag: so your lcd works with the olimex provided .fex?
<Skaag> libv: Yes, the problem was that mod_gpio wasn't compiled into the 3.0.52 kernel
<Skaag> and without this module enabled, pin 15 was not powered, so the LCD remained dark (pin 15 enables the backlight)
<Skaag> sorry, I mean that sun4i-gpio.ko is missing in the kernel I built with sunxi-bsp
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<Skaag> libv: Also notice that the .fex has to be a special .fex crafted for non-android OS's such as Debian or ArchLinux, which do not have a pwm module.
<Skaag> it's configured to enable pin 15 on the gpio
<Skaag> Android has a pwm module, which basically controls the brightness of the LCD's backlight by changing the width and modulation of the pulses.
<Skaag> By powering on pin 15 constantly, the LCD is stuck on the highest brightness, but at least it works, and does not require a pwm module.
<Skaag> right now I'm stuck with something else. on debian, a patched x86-xorg-input module which uses a patched tslib, gives me a segmentation fault.
<Skaag> I'm going to try to debug it tomorrow.
<Skaag> I have a feeling it's my kernel being too strict with that android paranoia thing
<Skaag> so maybe the first thing i'll do is try to compile 3.0.52 again, this time with the sun4i modules.
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<slapin_> Skaag: lcd backlight led(s) might not tolerate constant current for a long time
<Skaag> well… I hope someone writes a pulse width modulation module...
<slapin_> Skaag: I think a small current-limiting scheme will do, or separate backlight chip
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<slapin_> hno:
<slapin_> hno: please see backlog
<Skaag> slapin_: maybe I will write a small daemon that pulses it to reduce the brightness.
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<libv> Skaag: please document your findings on at least our wiki
<Skaag> is there already a page for it?
<Skaag> I've started a large blog post on my blog about all my findings
<Skaag> it will be very detailed
<libv> Skaag: the issue sounds weird though, could it be that we need to add support for another gpio in the pwm code for the lcd?
<Skaag> the problem is that this is for this specific lcd, for this a13 model
<Skaag> right now the configure script only takes two parameters, it doesn't care what screen is hooked up to the board
<libv> Skaag: this is the lcd sold with the olinuxino, so it will help many people to have this documented
<Skaag> and for the most part, it might be ok, since most people seem to be working with VGA monitors
<Skaag> of course
<libv> as said, i have the same hw, just haven't found time to play with it yet
<Skaag> no worries
<Skaag> by the way, yesterday Tsvetan blogged this: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/a13-lcd7ts-support-in-linux/
<Skaag> with the help of HeHopmajieh
<Skaag> but the instructions are broken, with several mistakes
<libv> throw as much into our wiki as you can please
<Skaag> will do
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<hno> slapin_, the boot blocks are read very differently than any other area of the nand.
<hno> The random seed per page is hardcoded to 4a80 on every page, and ECC layout is sequential with sector data and ECC interleaved (SEQ bit set in controller flags).
<hno> There is also only one ECC format used.
<hno> and no detection of what nand chip is used. Ony how many address cycles the chip needs.
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<slapin_> hno: here?
<slapin_> hno: why you need to reset controller, what happens?
<slapin_> hno: also, what is the meaning of DATA_SWAP bit?
<oliv3r> swap data, duh! :p
<oliv3r> jk
<buZz> :D
<slapin_> oliv3r: you have 2 hunks of unknown data, if you swap them what changes?
<slapin_> oliv3r: そです
<slapin_> whoops
<slapin_> sorry
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<ar_vr> hello, all I am getting this error on a allwinner android ics device
<ar_vr> <7>[ 67.064436] WRN:L1719(drivers/usb/sun4i_usb/hcd/core/sw_hcd_host.c):ERR: sw_hcd_h_ep0_irq, STALLING ENDPOINT
<ar_vr> <7>[ 67.070029] WRN:L1738(drivers/usb/sun4i_usb/hcd/core/sw_hcd_host.c):ERR: sw_hcd_h_ep0_irq, ep aborting
<ar_vr> any idea why this error occurs...
<slapin_> ar_vr: non-working USB I guess
<slapin_> ar_vr: EP0 gets into STALL state in USB state machine.
<slapin_> EP0 STALL = some error
<ar_vr> slapin_: Thanks!....
<ar_vr> slapin_: I am connecting a USB hub, and connecting the devices via the Hub.
<ar_vr> slapin_: of the four devices, that i connect the last device gets this issue and gets disconnected.
<oliv3r> slapin_: two swapped unknown hunks of data! :p
<ar_vr> slapin_: does not matter which device it is...
<oliv3r> i'm guessing, wild wild guess, ess/big endianess?
<slapin_> oliv3r: and you don't care much which is which
<slapin_> oliv3r: so I want to know the meaning of swap in this case
<oliv3r> slapin_: sorry, was only teasing you :(
<oliv3r> but it's the same that happens when you swap boobies! :p
<slapin_> oliv3r: I still wait for these boobs
<oliv3r> lol
<ar_vr> slapin_: this error occurs only on this allwiner and sunxi devices.
<slapin_> ar_vr: probably not enough voltage in power?
<ar_vr> slapin_: the same set of peripheral and the HUB works on other board/kernel.
<ar_vr> slapin_: any idea about the ratings of the HDC of the allwiner processor.
<slapin_> ar_vr: I think it is up to axp209 or other power chip
<slapin_> ar_vr: just try external psu with your hub and see
<slapin_> ar_vr: sticks come with very bad psus without appropriate capacitors and don't give out enought power
<ar_vr> slapin_: yes,its already external power supplied USB HUB
<slapin_> ar_vr: try inserting all devices into your hub and then attach it to usb host and see what happens.
<ar_vr> slapin_: Actaully we ourselves designed this HUB board and not a commerically purchased one. its working on another tablet device.
<slapin_> ar_vr: regardless, try with all devices inserted and power attached and see what happens (if you have hub power properly wired and Zengers/Schotky at appropriate places)
<slapin_> ar_vr: or you might damage poorly designed USB host power (if it is poorly designed)
<ar_vr> slapin_: I tried it connecting all the devices and then connecting the hub to the device. its the same result.
<ar_vr> slapin_: I googled a bit on this error and it appears that this error is most often seen with sunxi/allwinner driver but no resolution seen.
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<slapin_> hno: please see backlog
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<L84Supper> anyone hacked the Google A15 Chromebook for a larger internal HD? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/google-wants-new-249-arm-based-chromebook-to-be-your-second-computer/
<mnemoc> L84Supper: it's emmc storage, not HD
<L84Supper> HD is a generic term
<mnemoc> but soldered ;-)
<L84Supper> I haven't seen the internals. Is it soldered or in a socket/connector of some sort? Many emmc are done as modules.
<aholler_> since when is HD a generic term?
<L84Supper> heh
<mnemoc> it doesn't look like something you want to replace...
<L84Supper> mnemoc: don't you have a BGA rework station?
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<mnemoc> L84Supper: not even a soldering iron
<L84Supper> looks like it might be swapped for up to 128GB
<aholler_> could be easy using a fry pan
<aholler_> ;)
<xenoxaos> lol
<xenoxaos> glhf on that one
<L84Supper> toaster oven
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<L84Supper> you could trade a USB port for a soldered USB flash that might fit inside the case
<xenoxaos> there's quite a bit of room in the case actually
<L84Supper> xenoxaos: do you have one?
<xenoxaos> ya
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<L84Supper> xenoxaos: how is it so far?
<xenoxaos> i like it
<L84Supper> whats the battery life?
<xenoxaos> 90% of the time it's in ALARM
<xenoxaos> at 85% battery, it reports 6 hrs 47 min left
<xenoxaos> and you can actually bring the screen down really really dark
<L84Supper> so I still need an extra battery for a 14 hr flight?
<L84Supper> or really good night vision
<xenoxaos> lol
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<xenoxaos> the psu is 12v so the airplane socket should be useable
<L84Supper> I have a couple 12V-19V travel batteries
<L84Supper> I'll have to check into expanding the internal HD
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<L84Supper> it would be interesting to find the factory that makes that motherboard, run some with larger eMMC on the "4th" shift
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<mnemoc> what about making a 5V/usb power bank for 18650 batteries that can be used online? :)
<buZz> used online? :P
<buZz> there are 5V banks for 18650 being sold on ebay ;)
<mnemoc> yes, but they can't be used online
<mnemoc> online as in "while charging"
<buZz> ahhhhh
<buZz> right
<mnemoc> as a sort of portable ups
<buZz> i bought a 1500mAh USB battery that _can_ be used this way
<buZz> keeps my cubieboard on when i close the lapdock :D
<mnemoc> url?
<slapin_> buZz: discontinued
<L84Supper> max77686 ? linux drivers but no data sheets?
<buZz> slapin_: still being sold here
<buZz> slapin_: i could buy one for you ;)
<buZz> its just 10 euros
<buZz> + shipping to you
<buZz> so easy 100 euro? :P
<buZz> hrhr
<L84Supper> max77686 is also used in the chromebook for battery charging, so you could swap in a higher capacity battery
<L84Supper> http://odroid.foros-phpbb.com/t1082-automatic-boot-on-power-up "The datasheet of PMIC(MAX77686) is restricted by Maxin & Samsung."
<L84Supper> so now they are blocking access to parts used with ARM soc's as well
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<lkcl_> L84Supper: maxim have always been bad at providing datasheets for their PMICs. i first encountered this on the ODroid (hardkernel.com) - samsung commissioned maxim to create a PMIC for the S5PC100.
<lkcl_> they probably did the same thing, here.
<L84Supper> if it's a custom for Samsung it's understandable, the MAX77686 is in several of the new Samsung boards
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<L84Supper> heh, near instant logs to Google now http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/2012-12-20
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<mnemoc> it's on the topic...
<L84Supper> I did a search for the MAX77686 and my comment was in the Google results seconds later
<mnemoc> :)
<Skaag> yes I noticed that yesterday myself
<Skaag> I was asking questions here about some elements, and 10 minutes later ran another google search for them to try and find more information, and found my own chat logs ;-)
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<mnemoc> it's kind of annoying to find your own questions when googling for an answer :|
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<aholler_> answertuum mobile
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<techn_> Turl: now I got cm-10-20121219-UNOFFICIAL-a13_mid.zip
<techn_> what's next? :)
<mnemoc> install it from cwm
<techn_> any links?
<servili007> techn_: do you have cwm installed?
<techn_> no.. thats my first image
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<servili007> I personally took the 4.0.4 recovery at http://www.rikomagic.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142#p866, modified it to match my mount points, and used script manager to install it as they laid out.
<servili007> also replacing the recovery.img with the one I built
<mnemoc> can you link the A10 and A13 CWM images on the wiki?
<mnemoc> instructions to build it would be even better :p
<techn_> mnemoc: I just got my first try ready.. Damn that android build system is shit
<mnemoc> indeed
<techn_> proguard crashes with error 1, no other info
<techn_> and reason was that I was out of memory :p
<servili007> techn_, haha, had the same thing happen in my virtual build box
<techn_> servili007: yeah.. I'm on vbox too
<servili007> ubuntu 11.10?
<techn_> 12.10
<servili007> ah, I try to stick to 11.10 for my CM work, anything higher tends to either annoy me or the vbox lol, 11.10 feels much zippier in vbox too
<servili007> even after applying the guest additions 3d rendering patches, etc
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<slapin_> buZz: if you're serious, I'd want your paypal account and amounts required to slapinid in gmail dot com
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<libv> big google is watching us
<techn_> libv: ? :)
<servili007> techn_, referring to chat logs being google searchable minutes after they go up
<libv> 50 minutes ago
<libv> hadn't scrolled down completely
<mnemoc> time flies...
<buZz> slapin_: oh yeah i am serious if you want it, but is it ok to wait till january?
<steev_> buZz: no, now.
<buZz> lol
<steev_> right this second!
<buZz> ok, come here
<steev_> actually that does look pretty spiffy
<buZz> you can hold mine
<steev_> buZz: where is here?
<mnemoc> o.o
<buZz> nurdspace.nl
<steev_> mnemoc: don't judge me!
<mnemoc> :)
<buZz> mnemoc: feel free to judge me!!!
<steev_> man that becomes expensive just fora 10 dolla usb thingie
<buZz> steev_: but we smoke weed!
<buZz> :P
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<steev_> buZz: meh
<steev_> i can do that here, i tend not to though.
<mnemoc> you can smoke weed in genesi's offices??
<mnemoc> funny company
* mnemoc waits 2 minutes to google for smoke weed in genesi
<steev_> mnemoc: hah
<steev_> no, i meant here in the US
<steev_> can't smoke at all in the building we're in (not that i would anyway)
* mnemoc prefers to eat the money, not burn it
<servili007> anyone have any info on the 4-way split-screen purple cwm bug?
<traeak> or buy toys
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<mnemoc> yes, i collect those too :p
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<traeak> i may finally bite on an stinkpad x130e
<mnemoc> that's the model that transforms into a pillow?
<traeak> sure
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> it's sad they didn't make x220's with amd e450
<traeak> ugh when did these guys decide to start pulling tax? yuk
<traeak> for compilation type stuff the intel would be better
<mnemoc> imo battery life is more important than a couple of miliseconds
<jinzo> but then that depends on what OS are you using it on.
<mnemoc> and for bigger things, a remote server is better idea
<traeak> on the road remote server isn't so grat
<traeak> great
<traeak> linux and the amd drivers don't get along so well
<traeak> hmm
<jinzo> I bought a Lenovo laptop with AMD-A8 quad core and two gpus (one in the CPU, and one discrete) - their Fusion technology or how it's called
<mnemoc> plug a wireless modem :p
<jinzo> and yes, the drivers suck even in windows
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<traeak> don't have a wireless modem, too poor :-p
<mnemoc> traeak: the x120e comes with sim card reader
<jinzo> traeak, on the other hand, I have a r600 class AMD card under linux, and I'm running open source drivers
<jinzo> and it quite works, power management, I can even play games
<traeak> i've got a 4670 but it causes me grief, i think it's because i have a supermicro motherboard with tihs dual xeon
<traeak> supermicro is pure utter %$#^
<traeak> never buy that crap again
<jinzo> supermicro is quite good actually, but then again - depends how much you gave for it
<traeak> been burned 3 times by supermicro
<traeak> crap bios
<traeak> unstable hardware
<traeak> crap bios is the worst
<jinzo> I had quite good experiance with their mobos
<jinzo> *knock*knoc*
<traeak> have a dual xeon here that's bad
<jinzo> what else would you have there? :D
<traeak> a quad amd that has problems with the PCIe bus due to some crap i can't remmeber
<traeak> tyan is way better
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<jinzo> most of the stuff that's expensive is good ;)
<traeak> trying to recall the third...also bus problems on that one
<traeak> anyways key point here is the ati board freaks the supermicro board i have here
<jinzo> it's not like they are testing agains GPUs :D
<traeak> that was easy, someone bought the x130e out from under me :-p
<L84Supper> any news on the genesi i.mx6 laptop?
<steev_> L84Supper: nope!
<mnemoc> *cough*
<L84Supper> http://www.kosagi.com/w/index.php?title=Novena_Main_Page if it's any help, I'm still looking for i.mx6's that fell off a truck :)
<traeak> sounds liek samsung chromebook might easily beat out an e450 or whatever
<mnemoc> i naively expected a bunch of quad cortex-a9 netbooks for this xmas season... starting with genesi's
<mnemoc> fortunatelly there is a chromebook
<steev_> mnemoc: you can get the chromebook!
<steev_> er, yeah
<steev_> speaking of, my second one arrives tomorrow, just in time for the end of the world
<mnemoc> but the screen is crap :<
<traeak> any word on how well straight linux runs on that?
<L84Supper> are there any imx6 products shipping in volume?
<steev_> traeak: no hardware acceleration
<steev_> L84Supper: nope
<traeak> steev_: what does that affect?
<L84Supper> so Freescale is having more problems
<steev_> traeak: well... you won't be doing anything with opengles
<L84Supper> once again, about a year too late
* xenoxaos wants a second chromebook
<steev_> L84Supper: well they just recently got to 1.2 out
<steev_> xenoxaos: buy one man, just order it on amazon and they will ship it when they have it in stock
<traeak> steev_: not any necessity for what i do...i have netbooks with original atoms whch run fine for me
<steev_> i had a 10% off coupon, so i got a wifi version for 242 out the door
<traeak> where you find that one?
<traeak> coupon i mean
<steev_> traeak: amazon emailed it to me
<steev_> it was 10% off anything > $100
<L84Supper> steev_: have you looked into swapping the eMMC for a larger device?
<steev_> so i was like... i wonder if this will apply to chromebook purchase
<steev_> L84Supper: no, i use my 3G chromebook as stock
<xenoxaos> L84Supper, i doubt the emmc can easily be swapped
<L84Supper> i haven't compared data sheets to see about pin compatibility
<steev_> chromeos doesn't piss me off (probably the gentoo base makes me happy warm glow)
<traeak> ahh gentoo base
<steev_> chromeos/chromiumos are built on top of gentoo, i thought everyone knew that
<steev_> it's why google keeps recruiting the hell out of gentoo devs
<L84Supper> xenoxaos: it might be if you consider BGA rework easy or not :)
<mnemoc> steev_: what makes the gpu drivers chromeos specific?
<traeak> haven't been following *that* closely?
<steev_> mnemoc: they aren't *specific*
<steev_> you just need to match xorg versions
<traeak> s/?//
<ibot> traeak meant: haven't been following *that* closely
<steev_> though recently it seems that hrw got some packages
<steev_> or built some packages that will install them on raring/quantal
<steev_> so conceivably they should work, as long as you patch the arm-soc driver
<steev_> sorry -armsoc driver
<xenoxaos> there's no DRI with his patch
<steev_> so patch his patch
<steev_> BOOM PROBLEM SOLVED
<mnemoc> *g*
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<steev_> it's so easy </sarcasm>
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<xenoxaos> i looked at the code for it.....
* xenoxaos has no idea how that graphics shit works
<steev_> you an me both. well, i know how it works, but still, people like rob clark and libv amaze me
<xenoxaos> i think the time would have been better spent bashing my skull with a 2x4
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<xenoxaos> btw, chromebook, under full load with a usb3 ssd attached....estimated 3.5 hrs of battery life
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<mnemoc> not bad at all
* xenoxaos is recompiling chromium atm
<rz2k> yay for usb1.1 dead in linux-sunxi :/
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<mnemoc> - .flags = HCD_USB11 | HCD_MEMORY,
<mnemoc> + .flags = HCD_USB2 | HCD_MEMORY,
<mnemoc> the idea of reverting it doesn't sound appealing, but...
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<slapin_> buZz: I'm fine with waiting
<buZz> cool :) i'll order one to the local shop anyway, and pick it up as soon as i have my next paycheck ;)
<buZz> where are you located again?
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<mnemoc> .ru
<slapin_> buZz: .ru
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<buZz> its do-able
<buZz> i think it fits in a envelop
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<hno> slapin_, without resetting the controller after a "page" type command I do not get access to the data in sram. And it only does randomizer & ecc processing on page commands it seems.
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