mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<L84Supper> EOMA is still an embryonic concept with no solid spec and much left to the imagination
<specing> a.k.a. vapourware
<hno> would not call it vapourware.
<specing> lkclware :)
<L84Supper> keeps him off the streets and out of trouble
<penguin42> hno: It maybe unkind but it reflects the facts; there is no board and there is no design available
<bfree> http://icubecorp.com/products/ is I presume the cpu lkcl is (optimistically) talking about doubling, shrinking and speed-bumping for the "FSF endorseable" processor ... for 10 million dollars *pinky* ;-) can anyone find a product using it?
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<penguin42> bfree: Oh well found, I did wonder what he was talking about
<bfree> too many clues given ;-)
<penguin42> bfree: If it was just a bump/shrink it might be possible; I'd worry more about adding sata/usb-3 etc, and also who knows what the power/performance would be - doing a single core, 8 thread cpu is a bit odd as well
* penguin42 doesn't know how much it costs to bake a chip these days - I guess 40nm isn't bleeding edge so should be a few $m cheaper; but still $10m is not a lot
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<penguin42> bitcoinfpga.com has a figure of $4M for the masks
<specing> we have a 2um fab at uni
<penguin42> right but that's relatively like etching with a chisel
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<penguin42> bfree: That sight is amazingly neive about the comparison of a quad thread 600MHz CPU to a 2.4GHz single thread cpu
<specing> penguin42: indeeed
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<penguin42> (Wth would you go 8 threads?)
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<Turl> lkcl: I find it ironic that you are seeking to make a FSF-endorseable processor, yet you sign the document with your skype account :)
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<lerc> Any reccomendations for a qemu-system-arm image for linux?
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<hno> lerc, for what purpose? All Linux-ARM distributions have qemu images I think, pick the flavor you like.
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<slapin> hi, all!
* slapin is burrien in $work$
<slapin> hno: hi, any tasty things re NAND?
* slapin looks at wiki
<slapin> no boobs yet :(
* slapin is frustrated again
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<lerc> hno: I've mostly been chasing broken links and trying images that turn out to be too old to work (like trying to grab stuff from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/*)
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<oliv3r> ( . ) ( . )
<oliv3r> there, boobies :)
<andoma> impressive
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<slapin> oliv3r: not wiki, though.
<slapin> that's poor motivation - I always hang here already.
<oliv3r> I can put up some boobies on the wiki, dunno if mnemoc will leave them up though ;)
<jquip> LOLZ!!!!!
<oliv3r> hipboi you need to read your mail better!
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: wiki broken! Database error :S
<mnemoc> damn
<oliv3r> I think the boobies broke it slapin'
<mnemoc> aaarg... I hate when they change the schema and "forget" to add the update scripts for pgsql
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<mnemoc> oliv3r: fixed
<oliv3r> works :)
<mnemoc> oliv3r: I fixed master's includes/installer/PostgresUpdater.php ... but I now downgraded it to the latest stable branch (1.20) instead of the claimed "never-broken" master
<slapin> mnemoc: why not just fix some version for a few months? :)
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<mnemoc> slapin: security
<mnemoc> I can't keep track of their vulnerabilities
<slapin> mnemoc: distribution version?
<mnemoc> mediawiki version
<RaYmAn> there is a mediawiki in e.g. debian repos.
<mnemoc> good to know, but running from their stable branch should work fine
<RaYmAn> you'd think so
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<oliv3r> Gentoo!
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* slapin thinks, if somebody can patent rectangular hexahedron with rounded vertices, so is it possible to patent rectangular hexahedron with non-rounded vertices (or regular box shape)?
* slapin needs money badly
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<penguin42> slapin: Don't forget UPS have a trademark on a particular shade of Brown; I'm sure there are plenty of others to go for
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* slapin is depressed by xkcd cancer comics again
<slapin> hno: ping
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<hno> slapin, pong
<slapin> hno: anything interestaing lately?
<slapin> hno: any progress with boot block?
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<hno> slapin, have practically given up on trying to access randomized & ecc usint CPU. Think we need to use DMA for these requests to make sense.
<hno> too many unknowns in how to do it using CPU access.
<hno> - randomizer function is not known
<hno> - ecc layouts are not known
<hno> - how to drive the nand controller ECC & randomizer properly in CPU mode is not known
<slapin> hno: I don't see how this is related (ecc layouts and DMA)
<hno> When using DMA the NAND controller manages the ECC layout and randomizer automatically.
<slapin> hno: DMA code should be written anew, the Allwinner code is insanely complicated for what it does.
<hno> yes
<slapin> hno: regardless of that, do you probably have register settings which worked for you when you read boot0, I'd like to play with it a bit
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<slapin> hno: ...
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<Turl> mnemoc: I got hit by the 'failed to negociate properly' wemac bug :<
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<mnemoc> techn_: got any private feedback regarding ft5x_ts/android?
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<drachensun> mnenoc: I haven't been able to test it yet, its literally been answer all the emails, sync to send and 10 more are waiting for the last two days
<drachensun> its next on my development to do though
<mnemoc> drachensun: ok, I'll wait for your feedback then
<mnemoc> thanks
<techn_> mnemoc: no :(
<techn_> mnemoc: have you seen freeze problems related to uart?
<techn_> I have now compiled 8250_sunxi as module.. it loads ok.. but unloading freezes whole device
<mnemoc> I haven't power up any toy in over a month
<techn_> and I think it's causing boot freeze problems with my tablets.. 2/3 boot's freeze.. first boot freezes to u-boot, second to linux uart load.. third boots ok..
<techn_> when linux uart is disabled.. every boot is ok
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<drachensun> ok, in LXDE the patch seems to cause some oddities
<drachensun> The cursor is not following my finger and I can not use the menus. I can launch items from my quick launch and then use touch
<drachensun> looking at the xorg log I think its not treating it like a mouse any more
<techn_> drachensun: could you paste xorg log?
<drachensun> sure
<techn_> oh.. I have samekind behaviour
<techn_> but I can use menus
<techn_> but anyway.. android results would be more interesting
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<drachensun> well this image has something weird in the mali drivers is using or something but the mouse/evdev part is in there
<techn_> but sure.. I can take a look if I can make mouse cursor follow the finger
<drachensun> I guess I can actually use the menu
<drachensun> just requires more patience when you cant see :)
<drachensun> is the lack of mouse emulation going to effect anything else?
<techn_> gt818 driver had samekind behaviour.. mouse doesn't follow finger :p
<drachensun> well in the xorg before it was picking it up as a mouse
<drachensun> but I've gotta run, hopefully I'll be able to get back to this full time soon.
<techn_> whee.. I have missed something improtant [ccmu] try to set apb1 parent to sata_pll failed!
<techn_> if sata is disabled.. there is no pll6 enabled :/
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<Mehhh> Does joshua from Rikomagic talk here?
<rz2k> why he would need that? better harvest money from resells, lemmings will still buy stuff.
<rz2k> same goes for miniand
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<mnemoc> at least miniand makes their own board...
<Mehhh> rz2k, pengpod?
<rz2k> pengpod relies on us
<mnemoc> pengpod is drachensun's project
<mnemoc> he is here
<Mehhh> Yeh I know, I thought that's what rz2k was talking about
<rz2k> rikomagic just resells stuff
<Mehhh> Luckily I have the mk802 so the morons will force more development :)
<rz2k> miniand too, but they did their own board for some reason
<Mehhh> ::: claps :::
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<Mehhh> Does the USB port ( female, standard size) support OTG if I short the left two?
<Mehhh> and power
<Mehhh> (mk802)
<Mehhh> I want to rip off / reflow the full usb and make a micro usb
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<mnemoc> aren't there $1 adapters for that?
<Mehhh> lol i wish
<Mehhh> most are 4 pin from china
<Mehhh> also, i'm shoving it in a lapdock
<Mehhh> so
<Mehhh> i had to remove the large USB for space reasons
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<newa10> hi
<Mehhh> SUp brah
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<Turl> mnemoc: ping
<mnemoc> Turl:
<Turl> mnemoc: did you read my earlier message about wemac? :)
<mnemoc> yes
<mnemoc> Turl: i guess
<mnemoc> 'failed to negociate properly' thing?
<Turl> mnemoc: yeah, it's defaulting to half duplex, 10Mbit
<mnemoc> yes, there is a ticket about it iirc
<Turl> if you have any ideas to debug I can try them :)
<mnemoc> not really. I have my head 99.98% somewhere else
<Turl> ok, np
<mnemoc> people has mentioned that we should switch back to usleeps
<Turl> the bug isn't going anywhere I guess
<mnemoc> which is the only bit of lundman's patch which still in place
<mnemoc> i don't understand how a patch that made so much people happy in the begining, go that many haters now
<Turl> if I use ethtool I can set it up back to 100Mbit full duplex
<Turl> $ sudo mii-tool
<Turl> eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok
<mnemoc> maybe related to the PLL change
<mnemoc> yes, it's known
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<mnemoc> there is a timing issue in the negociation which needs to be fixed. but reverting the usage of delay insterad of usleep doesn't sound like a real fix
<Turl> indeed
<penguin42> http://www.portwell.com.tw/products/PQ7-M102XL.html is very sillly CPU in the corner, HUGE chipset chip
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<Turl> heh, chipset > cpu
<penguin42> not just > but >>>
<rz2k> libv: techn_: I have a noobish question about dri2: how do we ensure that software that was compiled againts mesa libs will use our MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap (which is ARM's implementation of DRI2SwapBuffers) from our xf86 drivers?
<rz2k> There is a structure (DRI2InfoRec) that is filled on init, but I feel that that is not everything that is needed.
<rz2k> or we need to rewrite damn libdri2? mesa also has a libdricore right now and some basic drivers for omap/exynos/intel..
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<rz2k> I know
<techn_> it seems to be done with function pointer
<rz2k> but thats not all, our demos built against mesa expect DRI2SwapBuffers
<techn_> yep.. maliegl libs are build somehow wrong.. they declare that function but don't define it.. or give dynamic library tip where to find it
<rz2k> which is now provided by libdri2 and libdri2 is pure software implementation. UMP initializes only one pixmap at start
<rz2k> it should do that for all dri2 usage instances
<rz2k> I expect that this is why I have 10fps in glcompbench
<rz2k> s/glcompbench/glmemperfbench/
<ibot> rz2k meant: I expect that this is why I have 10fps in glmemperfbench
* penguin42 looks oddly at the bot
<techn_> DRI2SwapBuffers calls MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap
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<rz2k> with libdri2 it does not
<techn_> thats dri2 lib
<rz2k> I'm missing the clue how to make ' DRI2SwapBuffers calls MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap' actually happen
<techn_> hmm.. could you paste your xorg.conf
<rz2k> without libdri2 we have dri2swapbuffers as missing symbol :p
<rz2k> I have default one
<techn_> Option"DRI2_WAIT_VSYNC" "false" try to with "true" here
<rz2k> nope, that only sets use_pageflipping_vsync to 1
<rz2k> and calls platform_wait_for_vsync(pScrn, fPtr->fb_lcd_fd);
<techn_> hmm.. no page_flip should enable it
<rz2k> yeah, pageflipping is by default on
<rz2k> platform_wait_for_vsync(pScrn, fPtr->fb_lcd_fd); is not implemented yet, anyway.
<rz2k> I've replaced 'platform_orion' with sunxi by the way
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<techn_> ok
<techn_> are you sure it compiles this branch #if DRI2INFOREC_VERSION >= 4 ?
<techn_> since there is typo? info.ScheduleSwap = MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap; .. shouldn't it be info.ScheduleSwap = &MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap;
<techn_> ?
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<rz2k> lets start with return type being int instead of DRI2ScheduleSwapProcPtr :p
<rz2k> I will test it in few days, if you are able to do it - please do.
<rz2k> I'm away from my devices right now, just reading sources in free time.
<techn_> I'm trying to solve this boot freeze problem.. so I'll get more device to test with :p
<rz2k> good luck with that, I'm going to bed.
<rz2k> good night.
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* WarheadsSE waves to techn_