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<aexl_> techn_: where did you get the cwm from btw?
<techn_> I generated it from turl's repo
<aexl_> ok
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<Turl> ssvb: in case it wasn't you who wrote the wiki page, http://linux-sunxi.org/How_to_boot_the_A10_over_the_network
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<Turl> the 66AK2Hx platform provides up to 5.6 GHz of ARM and 11.2 GHz of DSP processing coupled with security and packet processing and Ethernet switching,
<Turl> TI is now into chinese marketing? :P
<fragmint> well, it's not chinese until you combine the two
<fragmint> then advertive it
<fragmint> er call it the a16 16.8ghz processor!
<Turl> 16.8Ghz for ultimate processing power
<penguin42> oh god, it's still like cheap hi-fi
<Turl> PMPO watts
<penguin42> stereo pmpo watts
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<Turl> penguin42: what was it that pmpo really meant?
<penguin42> wtf ever knew!
<servili007> Turl: Are you going to be around for a bit tonight?
<Turl> servili007: possibly
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<Turl> it's like 11PM over here fwiw
<servili007> oh? where is that?
<servili007> Turl: I'm still doing some testing, but it seems that with G2D disabled, I can't draw UI to the screen at all
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<Turl> servili007: Argentina
<Turl> servili007: maybe that function triggers on HDMI only? I do all my testing on the LCD display
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<servili007> Turl: Confirmed, Device won't draw without g2d. Also, that definition check for HDMI audio didn't take for some reason while building, I had to edit it manually again
<Turl> did you make clean?
<servili007> clobbered
<Turl> that should be enough, where did you add the line?
<servili007> boardconfig, line 23, between recovery keymapping and target_kernel_config
<Turl> servili007: if you go to common dir and run git log, do you see the patches I added?
<Turl> (device/aw/common)
<servili007> yeah I can see your changes adding the ifdef section to audio_hw.c
<servili007> and the commit in git log
<Turl> try this
<Turl> add obviously invalid c code on the hdmi part of the ifdef
<Turl> then "mmm -B audio" from inside device/aw/common
<Turl> (and having lunch/breakfast'ed your device accordingly)
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<servili007> Turl: Getting complaints about missing TARGET_KERNEL_CONFIG variable (obviously is not missing) and no rule to make target export_includes for one of the audio intermediates
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<servili007> anyone have suggestions for troubleshooting hardware accel not working on an mk802ii jellybean build?
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<sky770> hey guys
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<ssvb> libv: a silly question, are there any open source GLES based games, which do not dependent on proprietary graphics data and can be compiled out of the box without any weird tweaks?
<TestModule> 2nd hit @ google ssvb: http://retroremakes.com/remaketalk/index.php?p=/discussion/3236/good-open-source-ogles-games/p1
<TestModule> Also, many tech demo games are technically open source... released by ARM, etc.
<TestModule> Depending on the company
<ssvb> TestModule: I have already found it :) and Descent Rebirth needs proprietary data
<ssvb> TestModule: so it's actually a miss
<TestModule> THat's one game out of many listed
<TestModule> So, not a miss.
<ssvb> TestModule: an I reading this page correctly? d1x and d2x aka Descent Rebirth - currently the *only* GLES game I have compiled that also works
<ssvb> TestModule: basically it says that nothing really works
<TestModule> Ok, see that part. After the period.
<TestModule> Where the next sentence begins
<TestModule> There
<ssvb> in any case, I kinda feel disappointed, GLES drivers appear to be a dead weight not really used by anything relevant ;-)
<ssvb> unless we go iOS or Android
<ssvb> TestModule: looks like it's an acknowledged problem: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxOTE
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<Yaku> morning
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<Alex1269> mnemoc, hi... I've read irc logs about ide/ata trigger but can't find final solution...
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<buZz> Alex1269: did you see the kernelpatch on the mailinglist?
<Alex1269> What patch ?
<buZz> kernelpatch for ide/ata trigger on leds
<buZz> for the linux-sunxi kernel
<Alex1269> Of course I did
<buZz> heh ok
<buZz> :)
<Alex1269> I send it
<buZz> ahhh great work
<buZz> i would have assumed you to be called 'regressor' or something
<buZz> what is the final solution you are hunting for?
<Alex1269> This is really not my patch, I just compiled it for myself
<buZz> yeah
<Alex1269> They discuss it yesterday here - "to apply or not applyt"
<Alex1269> s/applyt/apply
<buZz> hmhm, or send it upstream
<buZz> and backport it to our kernel
<Alex1269> As I understand the best solution is to live it ide but add single line patch to libata
<buZz> hmmyeah maybe
<buZz> i dont have any say in it ;) but i like your initiative
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<Alex1269> I wish somebody to send it upstream :) I'm working on "normal" gpio driver and then want to rewrite ir driver...
<buZz> there was someone on the mailinglist that wanted to send it upstream for you, iirc
<Alex1269> :)
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<xman> hi, What happens if my dram_size = 512 in [dram_para], but my board have only 256MB?
<WarheadsSE> xman: which board ?
<WarheadsSE> Yup
<WarheadsSE> working on that at the moment
<WarheadsSE> want me to get you the fex from the prelimnary debian image? (i pulled it out)
<WarheadsSE> the sunxi-3.0 branch @ linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi doesn't have the needs in it at the moment to boot the board
<WarheadsSE> on my to-do for the day
<xman> i have a13-olinuxino-wifi, i dont need...
<WarheadsSE> mm, you mendtioned the micro :P
<xman> edit script.fex is not enough?
<penguin42> does anyone have RkBatchTool installed and can tell me the value of the windows registery keys HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\USB\Vid_* for it?
<WarheadsSE> xman: what kernel source are you using?
<xman> dram_size = 256 and dram_baseaddr= new
<fragmint> my poor router!
<fragmint> it must be weak from lack of water.
* fragmint goes to get his router a glass of water
<WarheadsSE> xman: what KERNEL source are you using
<xman> i uses linux-3.0.57+
<WarheadsSE> okay, so you are uising the linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi @ sunxi-3.0
<xman> but my board is wifi, it is work very well
<WarheadsSE> does the wifi have the AXP209 on it?
<techn_> with 256MB ram you propably need to disable mali, framebuffer and g2d.. memmap hard coded to somewhere 400-500MB
<xman> yes, AXP209
<WarheadsSE> xman: then you should be ableto appropriately adjust the dram para, but you might need an updated uboot that has a 256M SPL
<xman> 64M and 32M is for what?
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<xman> WarheadsSE: my board works, I just want to help others who have MICRO :)
<WarheadsSE> AH
<techn_> 64M mali, 32M for reserved framebuffer(for mali use)
<WarheadsSE> I have the micro working, just need to get the patches upstream.
<xman> then can you post your solution in here: https://www.olimex.com/forum/index.php?topic=617.0 ?
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<WarheadsSE> unless I am mistaken, the solution *is* there. with kernel that has the changes, uboot sources in a similar place, etc.
<WarheadsSE> the Wifi has an AXP, which the Mirco doesn't.
<WarheadsSE> That's a big difference.
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<WarheadsSE> It isn't as simple as just changing the fex.
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<xman> so, you edit fex, uptade kernel and update u-boot?
<WarheadsSE> yes, fex change, kernel source change, u-boot source change
<WarheadsSE> recompile all.
<WarheadsSE> Does that make sense xman
<xman> yes
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<xman> WarheadsSE, can i post our conversation in forum?
<WarheadsSE> Feel free. If you want, I will pull the fex from the debian preliminary image. I already extracted that. I am running Arch Linux ARM now.
<WarheadsSE> For the moment, they need to use the provided kernel source repository, and the associated uboot.
<xman> ok
<WarheadsSE> I am working with those here to bring the needed changes upstream.
<xman> how is your fex now?
<Turl> Alex1269: I'll send it upstream if you don't mind
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<vinifr> WarheadsSE: how is your fex now?
<WarheadsSE> vinifr: I am using the one extracted from the debian pre-image
<WarheadsSE> If you are using the unmodified SPL/uboot, it flakes anyways.
<vinifr> i have another question, how i send msg directed to someone, like that <WarheadsSE> vinifr: I am using the one extracted from the debian pre-image :)
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<buZz> type first couple of letters of his name, then press <tab>
<WarheadsSE> vinifr: I just type in the name.
<vinifr> vinifr, test
<vinifr> vinifr, WarheadsSE test
<vinifr> WarheadsSE, test
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<vinifr> :) how?
<jelly-home> that was it. Did you mean a private message that others cannot see?
<vinifr> no, all can see
<jelly-home> vinifr: that's it. <vinifr> WarheadsSE, test
<vinifr> vinifr, jelly-home: test
<vinifr> i can not :)
<jelly-home> works for me
<WarheadsSE> worked for me.
<vinifr> what exactly do I need to enter?
<WarheadsSE> we're telling you, it worked.
<WarheadsSE> unless it is meant to be private, simply mentioning their name is all you need to do for *their* client to notify them.
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<netchip> hey
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<netchip> i was wondering
<netchip> if i would find a reference design of the SMDK4x12 board
<netchip> could I let a few getting produced?
<netchip> or do I speak about thousands, then?
<rz2k> isnt 4412 only OEMs chip?
<rz2k> so you need that thousands to get it..
<netchip> =/
<netchip> busy with making my own phone
<netchip> seeing if that's possible
<WarheadsSE> possible, yes. easy? no. made easy? no
<netchip> because, then I have to do all myself, and I have all the source codes
<WarheadsSE> You might have to settle with easier to procure SoC
<netchip> im probbaly a bit naive yeah
<netchip> like?
* WarheadsSE shrug
<netchip> ah
<netchip> hmk
<rz2k> imx6q?
<netchip> rz2k, what I can order for example two of those?
<rz2k> freescale chips are available at farnell
<rz2k> for minor customers
<rz2k> reference schematic and 5k pages manual are at freescale's website.
<penguin42> nice
<netchip> a manual of 5k (!!!) pages? D:
<netchip> awful lol
<netchip> they don't have a reference design + source code?
<rz2k> they have
<rz2k> it is on imx6 page at freescale's website
<netchip> rz2k, is a GPU included in the link you have me, is it a complete SoC?
<rz2k> vivante Vsomething is there
<rz2k> as gpu
<netchip> so it isn't integrated?
<penguin42> rz2k: Not bad prices, clocks a bit low
<netchip> penguin42, you have quad cores
<netchip> it's still fast
<netchip> and you're awesome if you walk with your strawberry phone ;D
<servili007> Turl: I did as you suggested yesterday to test that HDMI audio define. The bad code never ran, it just went to the "else"
<penguin42> rz2k: Nice, PCIe :-)
<netchip> rz2k, don't see the Vivante GPU there :)
<Turl> servili007: then go up from there, add bad makefile rules inside the ifeq, add bad makefile rules under the board define, etc
<netchip> rz2k, seems they don't have smartphone reference designs
<netchip> I have to create an account for it
<netchip> ...
<RaYmAn> so create one.
<RaYmAn> and yeah, I don't think freescale markets it towards the phone market at all
<netchip> nvm
<netchip> bugmenot.com FTW
<netchip> I hate giving my full name etc for source code
<netchip> lol
<RaYmAn> If you plan to use their chipsfor anything remotely serious, there's hardly much reason to not do it.
<netchip> well
<netchip> I got it now anyways
<netchip> ;)
<Turl> otherwise you really should get a nexus
<netchip> and I go firstly see if it fits my wishes :)
<RaYmAn> they have an open git server.
<netchip> Turl: Yeah, but I want to design my phone, once :) It's just awesome to walk with a fake iPhone and let people believe it's an iphone ;P
<netchip> RaYmAn, :O, really?
<RaYmAn> only kernel and uboot though
<netchip> ah
<netchip> I search userspace :p
<netchip> does it have a GSM module btw?
<netchip> nvm
<netchip> stupid question
<netchip> ofcourse I have to integrate one
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<WarheadsSE> question on the u-boot-sunxi & the generated SPL.
<netchip> why did you buy an Allwinner tablet btw?
<WarheadsSE> I should be using sunxi-spl.bin, or the u-boot-spl.bin
<netchip> (you=everyone here)
* WarheadsSE owns no allwinner tablets
<netchip> sunxi is allwinner right?
<buZz> me neither
<WarheadsSE> yes
<netchip> <WarheadsSE> I should be using sunxi-spl.bin, or the u-boot-spl.bin
<buZz> netchip: i have a cubieboard
<netchip> let's look
<WarheadsSE> netchip: that doesn't mean i have a tabler.
<WarheadsSE> *tablet
<buZz> which is a allwinner devboard
<netchip> ok
<netchip> let's say
<netchip> an allwinner device
<WarheadsSE> I have a Mele A100 & an a13-olinuxino-micro
<WarheadsSE> I didn't buy them
<netchip> because there is RK3066, iMX6, Exynos4412
<WarheadsSE> :P
<buZz> why i bought it? because it was a) available, b) cheap, c) semi open
<WarheadsSE> iMX6 & Exynos are much more expensive
<WarheadsSE> Rockchip sucks for source releases
<buZz> and d) has 'unbrickable' boot from SD
<netchip> WarheadsSE, Meh, 3x as espensive, 150 euro, it's more expensive but still payable
<buZz> yeah i dont think RK3066 is open at all
<WarheadsSE> netchip: you're missing the point
<buZz> for 150 euros i can buy 3-4 cubieboards
<WarheadsSE> I have exynos & iMX6 devices as well.
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<netchip> buZz, It hasn't opensource NAND kernel module & no opensource WLAN driver in kernel :P
<buZz> what?
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<buZz> allwinner a10 has no wlan inside
<buZz> nor nand
<netchip> buZz, RK3066
<buZz> ah
<WarheadsSE> topic jump
<buZz> yeah i dont know
<netchip> WarheadsSE, <buZz> yeah i dont think RK3066 is open at all
<netchip> :P
<buZz> is there a nice devboard for RK3066?
<buZz> with GPIO pins?
<WarheadsSE> I was informing buZz netchip.
<netchip> iMito MX1 buZz
<buZz> and VGA? CVBS? multiple UARTS?
<netchip> well
<netchip> it isn't a dev board
<netchip> but consumer devices with UART/JTAG > dev boards
<buZz> yeah, so, no
<buZz> i want GPIO pins available
* penguin42 is still trying to unbrick his rk3066
<penguin42> (Anyone happen to have the windows tool installed and give me some of the Registry info!)
<netchip> buZz, AVR, atmel 328 ftw :D
<buZz> right, you are not so productive :P
<netchip> don't you get annoyed of the slowness of the Allwinner?
<WarheadsSE> netchip: ? how is this a fruitful conversation?
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<netchip> if I see Android 4.1 running on it I am almost crying
<buZz> compared to atmega328, its lightning fast, what are you talking about?
<WarheadsSE> come people need/do other things and android and pure HCI via media/video
<netchip> WarheadsSE, I don't hate Allwinners or something, I just want get convinced why I should buy one
<servili007> Turl: silly mistake on my end, found out where my files were/weren't up to date with my own repos.....
<WarheadsSE> netchip: if you need convinced, don't buy one
<buZz> i only get annoyed by fruitless complaining :)
<netchip> buZz, Atmel 328 is 20 times as cheap as Cubieboard :')
<buZz> then you are paying too much
<netchip> and has GPIO pins
<buZz> 328 only needs to cost about 1 euro
<netchip> 3.** euro for one Atmel 328
<buZz> yeah, paying too much
<RaYmAn> it's not exactly comparable
<netchip> meh
<buZz> anyway, you cannot compare a linux computer to a 8bit uC
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<specing> yes you can
<servili007> it just loses every time
<buZz> its like comparing a bike to an airplane
<netchip> meh, gotta eat
<netchip> brb
<buZz> most ppl have to eat, yes
<RaYmAn> It depends entirely of what you need to do
<RaYmAn> lol
<buZz> it that using the ARM emulator?
<RaYmAn> at half an hour boot time :P
<buZz> ah, yes
<buZz> 100Khz processor ftw
<buZz> did you see the same guy now did similar on a attiny?
<buZz> its amazingly cool
<buZz> of course not really productive, but ok
<RaYmAn> It's an awesome "because-you-can" project, heh
<buZz> indeed :)
<penguin42> netchip: In principal the rk3066 *should* be unbrickable; with the inbuilt stuff to let you reflash; the only thing stopping it is if they were to get off their arse and release the protocol
<penguin42> netchip: Hmm although I guess they do say to get into that you need to short a pin so hmm
<buZz> yeah, stuff like that blocks me wanting to buy a rk3066 device
<RaYmAn> that's another area freescale rocks in - their low-level usb recovery tool is open source (though, windows only, but given source is there, it's trivial to port)
<penguin42> buZz: Yeh well I bricked it trying to put my own kernel on, purely dding to the rescue partition - apparently that's a no-no because the flash drivers are so borked
<buZz> RaYmAn: but nobody ported it?
<buZz> then its probably not so trivial ;)
<RaYmAn> not publicly at least
<RaYmAn> but freescale hasn't tradionally been very consumer oriented
<RaYmAn> so the amount of low-level hacking has been quite low
<buZz> yeah, the idea of 'consumer' vs 'developer' should disappear imho
<RaYmAn> with e.g. wandboard and such it becomes more likely
<buZz> the world is not so black&white :)
<buZz> all consumers should be able to access developer information on devices they own
<buZz> and visa versa
<RaYmAn> consumers don't care or even know about all this usually
<RaYmAn> but I agree, it should be like that
<RaYmAn> I just don't think it would really be worthwhile from a business perspective
<buZz> thats why i also like allwinner devices, much of the developer documentation is open
<RaYmAn> lol
<Turl> servili007: :)
<buZz> although not as open as TI's omap stuff
<RaYmAn> open?
<buZz> available ;)
<RaYmAn> NDA'd/leaked datasheets and originally mostly leaked code
<buZz> good enough for me
<buZz> like this android phone i have, the ZTE Blade
<RaYmAn> sure, it might be good enough. But you can hardly call it open
<buZz> ZTE never released any documents for it, but left bootloader open enough for custom ROM development
<penguin42> buZz: Ah yeh I've got one of those; with Cyanogen on
<servili007> eh, that's just allwinners interpretation of open sourcing ;)
<buZz> penguin42: yeah, just installed the CM10.1 released yesterday ;)
<penguin42> buZz: They got 10 backported to the older phones? Oooh - I've still got 7 on
<buZz> backported?
<buZz> how is it back ...
<penguin42> buZz: Oh 10 etc had been on the newer ones for about a year, but I'd given up looking because it looked like the older machines had stopped at 7
<buZz> 10.1 btw, not 10
<buZz> well there is 10 aswell
<buZz> 10 has been on Blade for a year aswell
<penguin42> (maybe not 10, I mean something newer than 7)
<penguin42> oh, maybe time to have a look next time I have a few days off to cope with reflashing it
<buZz> once i bought this phone, CM9 was latest and greatest rom to install on this phone
<buZz> cope with reflashing? O_o
<buZz> reboot to recovery -> select zip of rom -> click yes -> wait -> done
<buZz> ?
<servili007> 7 to 10 should be a wipe
<penguin42> ok, I really should update then :-)
<buZz> servili007: hmm yeah probably
<buZz> but you could wipe after flashing and discovering it doesnt work properly ;)
<WarheadsSE> :) uboot patchs work
<servili007> lol, I really wouldn't even bother jumping from gb to ics+ without a wipe
<penguin42> buZz: I think I put 7 out some time in mid 2011 and updated it once or twice
<buZz> i think i bought my ZTE Blade late 2011
<buZz> but not sure
<penguin42> buZz: Which was immediately better than the stock ROM since they had at least got the compass pointing in the right direction!
<buZz> totally funny, the store where i bought it didnt even know the phone existed, or that they had it in stock :P
<penguin42> (I got lost by about 2miles due to that!)
<penguin42> buZz: It was sold in the UK rebranded by one of the carriers really cheap
<buZz> mine was also just 100 euros
<penguin42> lkcl: Now, put a expresscard socket on the arse-end of the iMX6 card :-)
<penguin42> buZz: Yeh about 70GBP here
<buZz> which is pretty cheap for an unlocked phone
<penguin42> it was locked but trivially unlockable
<penguin42> anyway, somewhat offtopic
<buZz> slight ;)
<penguin42> a bit more ontopic; http://www.amazon.co.uk/GNT10WT-Touchscreen-Rockchip-Processor-Operating/dp/B008747I2Y a Rockchip based netbook - also cheap
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<buZz> bottom line is, i want access to the hardware to do my bidding, be it through leaked docs/code like the ZTE Blade / Allwinner devices , or actually supported and released code like TI OMAP
<penguin42> buZz: The Rockchip has a large chunk of the kernel source out there - certainly you can rebuild a kernel for it, but there are a few .o's for unusual things including the nand flash
<buZz> sad, but it can boot from SD?
<penguin42> buZz: No
<buZz> boo
<buZz> out the window :D
<buZz> i will no longer buy a single cored arm btw ;)
<buZz> think my next will be the Odroid U2
<penguin42> buZz: It seems to boot from nand flash and then the default boot loader on mine let it do the normal androidy type rescue/main thing - but it has two reflash mechanism over usb
<buZz> also, i wont be buying another laptop, as i want to stick to using a Lapdock and just upgrade whatever device i connect to it
<buZz> like that EOMA project but less vaporware ;)
<buZz> maybe if i can delay buying the odroid, they will release an odroid based on that Exynos Octo
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<buZz> think its really cool how they mix different cores on one chip
<penguin42> buZz: Be careful of that
<buZz> of what?
<buZz> the odroid in general?
<buZz> samsung?
<buZz> delaying?
<penguin42> buZz: Well I'm assuming you can only use 4 cores at once
<buZz> lapdock?
<buZz> i will make no assumptions on use until i see it ;)
<penguin42> buZz: So if that's true it seems a bit misleading to call it an 8 core
<buZz> its ARM's design
<RaYmAn> it has 8 cores either way ;)
<buZz> the LITTLEbig think
<buZz> thing*
<penguin42> RaYmAn: Well true
* penguin42 loops back to the PMPO discussion from about 5 hours ago
<buZz> of course i have infinite trust in the endless wisdom of our gods at ARM
<RaYmAn> but yeah, so far it sounds like it's max 4 cores at a time
<RaYmAn> though, it sounded a lot like you could mix and match
<buZz> is there anything beside the press release in terms of documentation about it?
<RaYmAn> not from samsung afaik - arm might have more?
<WarheadsSE> u-boot patch for a13 (and associated NO_AXP) emailed Turl thanks for the ear.
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<netchip> so
<netchip> in the end a tablet with an iMX6Q is my best choice?
<RaYmAn> it depends on what you need/want. There's no one-size-fits-all :P
<netchip> btw
<netchip> RaYmAn, Open source is a REALLY big deal. I need to have 80% open source, only EGL/wifi may IMHO be closed source
<netchip> and if it's a GSM module, GSM
<RaYmAn> imx6q has the advantage that they actually fully support X11 and such
<netchip> and they support Android
<RaYmAn> most do
<netchip> I know ;-) I have downloaded their Android patches
<netchip> BTW, for all Dutch people, who are interested in ARM laptops, just found this: http://chariri.tweakblogs.net/blog/8182/arm-laptopproject-deel-2-vergelijking-van-beschikbare-hardware.html
<netchip> iWaveSystems Q7 >$1000 iMX6q
<aexl1> hi. does anybody have u-boot-mmc-hno-v2011.09-sun4i-20120808.img mentioned http://linux-sunxi.org/index.php?title=CWM_on_a_SDCard
<netchip> aren't you a bit stupid if you buy that?
<aexl1> netchip: if you only want android you can take whatever tablet you get.
<RaYmAn> the difference is probably quality
<RaYmAn> if you buy a proper devboard you're a company :P
<buZz> lol
<buZz> i am GREAT company
<buZz> you should have me over sometime ;)
<RaYmAn> lol
* RaYmAn ponders if he'll ever get his GK802
<RaYmAn> I have no idea what this means in practice 'Awaiting export documentation'
<RaYmAn> but it doesn't sound very good
<buZz> netchip: check out my ARM laptop; http://nurdspace.nl/Lapdock_Laptop
<netchip> aexl1, I'm an Android platform developer; I like making my ROMs and kernels
<netchip> buZz, AWESOME :D
<netchip> But how did you connect the screen?
<buZz> with a cable
<buZz> its documented on the wiki
<buZz> did you read it?
<netchip> buZz, yes
<netchip> :)
<netchip> maar
<buZz> maar wat!
<buZz> :)
<buZz> stick to english
<netchip> het is een beetje onduidelijk :P
<buZz> ppl are reading along
<netchip> ah okay
<netchip> it's a bit unclear
<netchip> :)
<buZz> i am using USB and HDMI cable to connect the board to the lapdock
<buZz> as the lapdock has HDMI and USB connection
<netchip> ah... lapdock
<buZz> wtf man
<buZz> you really suck at reading :P
<netchip> you didn't integrate it INTO the laptop?
<netchip> I suck yeah
<netchip> but your layout sucks too ;P
<aexl1> holländer :D
<netchip> yeah :)
<netchip> buZz, why didn't you integrate it into the laptop? :D
<buZz> because lapdock doesnt allow this in size
<buZz> its like 8mm thick
<netchip> ah
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<buZz> no way i can fit a board in that
<netchip> I have a laptop laying here which is 3CM thick :P
<buZz> cubieboard has LVDS pins ;)
<netchip> !google lvds pins
<netchip> no bot :(
<netchip> hmm
<netchip> Low-voltage differential signaling pins
<buZz> you just linked to a page stating LVDS as a requirement
<netchip> ah
<netchip> I didn't read it fully :P
<netchip> Just skipped a BIG part
<netchip> hehe
<buZz> blah
<buZz> how old are you?>
<netchip> 14 y/o
<netchip> *shame*
<buZz> :)
<buZz> well, learn to go slower, and read stuff ;)
<netchip> Yeah, I really gotta learn that
<buZz> if you want to recycle a laptops screen, you have to learn about LVDS
<netchip> hmm, will do
<aexl1> i thought the screen is the 2nd thing that breaks (after hdd) in a laptop?
<netchip> because the laptop I have, has a BIG battery
<netchip> with Windows XP and x86 it already lasts 6 hours
<buZz> aexl1: for me the first thing that broke was the hinge :D
<netchip> Imagine what an ARM board with SD card does
<buZz> recycling batteries and power circuits is quite a difficult process
<buZz> especially if you have 0 electronics experience
<aexl1> buZz: of the screen?!
<buZz> aexl1: yep
<aexl1> ouch
<buZz> after ~5 years of a LOT of use
<buZz> many live performances etc
<buZz> (i used to be quite active VJ-ing at dancepartys)
<penguin42> buZz: You want one of these batteries http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/boeing-787-li-ion-meltdown/
<aexl1> oh thats okay. a pals hdd failed after 2 y.
<aexl1> twice
<netchip> buZz, Fortunately my father has studied electronics technology or whatever you'd call it in English
<buZz> ok, but you should have this knowledge yourself
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<buZz> imho :)
<buZz> lol penguin42
<netchip> buZz, Talking about recycling the battery ;-)
<buZz> i have shitloads of 18650 cells :P
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<netchip> buZz, I atleast know how to make a voltage lower :P
<buZz> thats a step ;)
<netchip> wipe that idea of a smrtphone off the tablet, and do the laptop ^^
<netchip> the old laptop
<netchip> I have
<netchip> is really damaged
<netchip> cd drive is non functional
<netchip> and things like that
<netchip> it's a 800MHz x86 PIII CPU with 256MB RAM :P
<buZz> we have shitpiles of laptops like that at the hackerspace
<buZz> well at least 10 or something, maybe more
<buZz> broken/ half functioning laptops
<netchip> it's a Siemens :P
<buZz> thats nice
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<netchip> it's made for industrial use ^^
<netchip> buZz, and the ones at hackerspace? ^^
<buZz> what do you want to know about them?
<netchip> Brand, thickness etc ;)
<buZz> no clue, various
<netchip> I like thich laptops lol
<netchip> thick*
<buZz> you can make your own laptop frame out of wood :)
<netchip> eh
<netchip> that's quite awesome
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<netchip> only wondering how I can get a screen and keyboard :P
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<buZz> recycle screen from broken laptop, find a small usb keyboard and remove case
<netchip> buZz, two years ago I saw a project where he put an Intel Atom into a 'koffer', it was really awesome, it had 3G etc :P
<buZz> there are LVDS driver boards available for cheap to make random screens into HDMI screens
<buZz> yeah shitloads of custom cases around
<netchip> 3G + Debian ARMHF + ODROID/iMX6q + WiFi and ethernet is my dream laptop
<netchip> I don't mind ARM :)
* buZz has 3G + debian ARMHF + cubieboard + wifi + ethernet + sata
<buZz> + 6 hours battery
<netchip> but it isn't built in the laptop right?
<netchip> I want to take it with me to school :P
<buZz> it fits in my bag
<netchip> because I get often requests from classmates who are willing to get CM on their phone
<netchip> ah nice
<buZz> you could install CM from a phone ;)
<netchip> they haven't root etc ;)
<netchip> and no 3G
<netchip> lol
<buZz> poor guys
<netchip> I have 3G, but I don't wanna spend my data on that :P
<buZz> i have *bliep, unlimited 3G
<buZz> 15 euro a month
<netchip> at which data speed? :P :P :P
<buZz> 384Kbps
<netchip> 64 kilobits? :P
<netchip> ah
<netchip> poor :P
<buZz> i can do 7Mbit but will have a 2GB limit then
<netchip> I have 7Mbit
<buZz> which i hit easily
<netchip> ah
<netchip> so
<netchip> first 2GB 7Mbit
<buZz> i can switch each day between 384Kbps and 7Mbit
<netchip> after 384Kb?
<buZz> no
<netchip> lemme look
<buZz> all management at that provider is under 18 ;)
<netchip> buZz, roflcopter, that unlimited SMS and unlimited Internet is awesome
<netchip> but unfortunately my classmates hate SMS
<netchip> I hate Whatsapp
<netchip> buZz, you have 2GB at 7Mbit/s every day?
<buZz> i hate both
<buZz> every month
<buZz> i never use 7Mbit
<buZz> i go over 2GB so easily, and i have wifi at all my locations
<netchip> couldn't you do; first use 2GB @ 7Mbit/s and then switch to slow 3G?
<buZz> yes, but 7Mbit is more expensive
<netchip> 386 / 8 = 48,25 =/
<netchip> KB/s
<buZz> yes i know
<netchip> let's assume a webpage is 500KB/s
<buZz> enough for youtube LQ
<netchip> 10 seconds to load
<buZz> webpages arent measured in speed
<netchip> 500KB*
<netchip> sorry
<netchip> was a fault ;)
<buZz> i have time
<netchip> was thinking about my homework :P
<buZz> most of the time, i get paid for my time
<buZz> so waiting longer -> more money for less work
<netchip> :P
<netchip> are you getting paid for this?
<netchip> :P
<buZz> i am getting paid for work
<netchip> yes
<netchip> but this is your spare time, right? :P
<buZz> yes
<netchip> and in your spare time, you want to do as much as possible, atleast I do :P
<buZz> as i said, i hardly use 3G
<buZz> i have wifi at work, at home, at the hackerspace
<buZz> i even have wifi in the supermarket
<buZz> when i am at friends, they have wifi
<netchip> i have wifi only at home
<buZz> 3G is fun, but not needed so much
<netchip> btw, buZz, hackerspace = 'computerclub'?
<buZz> no
<buZz> computerclub = 50 yr old guys showing a computer they once bought 30 years ago
<netchip> roflcopter, how old are you?
<buZz> hackerspace = community of ppl working on projects
<buZz> i am 33
<netchip> ah
<netchip> i misread computerclub, thought you said hackerspace :P
<buZz> ?
<netchip> I read
<netchip> <buZz> hackerspace = 50 yr old guys showing a computer they once bought 30 years ago
<netchip> ;-)
<buZz> well, as i said earlier, learn to read ;)
<netchip> Yes :)
<buZz> assumption is the mother of all fuckups
* buZz -> cooking food, bbl
<netchip> cya
<RaYmAn> buZz: so ccc is 50 yr old guys showing a computer they once bought 30 years ago? ;)
<buZz> RaYmAn: the dutch variant is ;) (called HCC)
<netchip> buZz, ah HCC, that's stupid
<netchip> didn't intend that ;P
<netchip> i was member of HCC when I was 6 y/o because I got it with a membership of a big computer magazine D:
<aexl1> RaYmAn: well it says chaos and you don't get a membership for buying a magazine. :)
<RaYmAn> aexl1: still a computer club :P
<buZz> i thought the second C was communication :)
<buZz> ah its not
<netchip> buZz, It's Chaos Computer Club :D
<penguin42> one last call; anyone who has rkbatchtool installed - I could do with a dump of the registry for any registry keys it added :-(
<netchip> penguin42, i dont use windows, otherwise, i'd have dumped it for you
<penguin42> netchip: Nod, me neither - I'm just trying to frig it into wine :-(
<aexl1> i thought rk stands for rockchip?
<penguin42> it does
<aexl1> sure this isn't a10-netbook. silly me. :D
* penguin42 points aexl1 to the 2nd/3rd letters of the channel name
<WarheadsSE> lol
* WarheadsSE has no rockchip stufs, nor this mysterious tool
<WarheadsSE> but i do have a windows box I am trying to fade
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<aexl1> i tried for a time to use rkdump for my a10-tablet :D
<netchip> :O
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<netchip> cubieboard: "HDMI 1080p Output" I don't believe it plays the highest bitrate of 1080p
<buZz> the what?
<buZz> 1080p works
<buZz> netchip: you are talking about video decoding
<buZz> this is not the same as 'hdmi 1080p output'
<buZz> but yes, CedarX cant really decode 1080p x264, for example
<buZz> sadly there is also no doc about what it _can_ decode
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<netchip> buZz, Sorry, I didn't say it good ye
<netchip> well
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<netchip> kdding
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<netchip> ;)
<netchip> you have one, so I expect you to know it ;-)
<netchip> does it suffice for most 1080p movies I download from the internet?
<buZz> i dont download 1080p movies
<buZz> i find them a waste of bandwidth
<netchip> but I have unlimited bandwidth
<buZz> but i rather have bandwidth for more serious stuff then hedonistic entertainment
<netchip> 720p is IMHO OK
<netchip> that's apparently true
<buZz> i rarely even download 720p
<netchip> :P
<buZz> so do i
<buZz> than*
<netchip> true
<netchip> but at night, internet connection remains unused here
<netchip> so if I schedule it... :P
<netchip> to download
<buZz> still doesnt increase a) resolution of my screen b) resolution of my eyes
<aexl1> lol
<aexl1> so right
<buZz> or c) me understanding the use for 1080p video
<buZz> if you want hires movies, go download 4k movies
<netchip> buZz, 720p is nice, don't you think so?
<buZz> no
<netchip> 4k movies? do they already exist?
<buZz> of course
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<buZz> but nobody puts them online
<buZz> because its a total waste of storage and bandwidth
<netchip> maybe some samples
<netchip> well
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<buZz> and nobody has a 4k screen at home
<netchip> ;)
<buZz> besides some ppl ;)
<netchip> downscaling ftw :D
<buZz> 4k is already not the biggest you can download
<netchip> because 4k = (1920*1080)*2 :D
<netchip> so easy to downscale
<aexl1> :-/
<buZz> there is also 4k
<netchip> all DVDs are bigger
<buZz> which codec is it?
<buZz> 7680 × 4320
<buZz> originally
<buZz> atleast 720p
<netchip> buZz, I've found a 1080p film of 2.8GB
<buZz> eh
<netchip> 2.3GB*
<netchip> at 1080p
<netchip> dunno
<buZz> isnt bluray still MPEG2?
<netchip> x264, Allwinner A10 couldn't play that, right?
<buZz> that explains the size
<netchip> x264
<buZz> 8k
<buZz> h264 can be decoded by CedarX
<buZz> havent tried 1080p but i doubt it
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<buZz> indeed, read netchip, read! ;)
<buZz> rz2k: seems CedarX can also decode WMV9 btw :P
<netchip> buZz, according to that table, A10 is able to play every 1080p thing
* rz2k didnt have a movie in wmv for ages
<buZz> netchip: yeah dont know
<buZz> i had some porn
<rz2k> lol
<buZz> i didnt have this success story
<buZz> might have been too high a bitrate
<buZz> or something else
<netchip> oh well
<netchip> it's just a good buy
<netchip> ;)
<buZz> goodbye?
<netchip> nono
<netchip> cubieboard ;)
<buZz> hrhr
<buZz> its cheap
<netchip> is a good buy
<buZz> and has sata
<netchip> (for SSD :D)
<netchip> anyways
<netchip> going to watch TV
<netchip> brb
<aexl1> right?
<buZz> left
<aexl1> i'm always left back
<buZz> hehe, i dont play sports :)
<aexl1> lol. got me.
<buZz> :)
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<netchip> buZz, spoke to my father about changing the laptop from x86 to ARM
<netchip> he'd almost have the laptop dumped
<buZz> did he have an opinion?
<netchip> if I didn't speak with him lol
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<netchip> buZz, yes
<buZz> is he going to help you? :)
<netchip> He says it's much work, but it's very nice if it works
<netchip> I think he's willing to :)
<buZz> yes i agree
<netchip> because he likes silent laptops etc
<netchip> and SSD + cubieboard = HDMI output, and no noise
<netchip> :)
<buZz> i wouldnt use SSD on cubieboard btw
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<buZz> if you are only motivated by noise, then i guess sure
<buZz> i saw some ppl are doing it, but speed is not that great
<netchip> why not? :) They don't need much power, and they're 100% silent
<buZz> but 2.5" harddisks dont produce much noise either
<netchip> I belive it's 1 a 2 Watt for a SSD
<netchip> believe*
<buZz> same with normal 2.5"
<buZz> 0.5A 5V
<buZz> so 2.5watt
<netchip> yeah
<buZz> normal HDD are a lot cheaper ;)
<buZz> about 15x cheaper? (in euro/gb)
<netchip> yeah probably
<netchip> I also need to get the cubieboard in ;)
<netchip> and they're also lots bigger in capacity
<netchip> but capacity doesn't matter to me
<netchip> NFS :)
<buZz> NFS over 3G? :P
<netchip> WiFi :P
<WarheadsSE> ouch
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<netchip> 128GB is enough :P
<buZz> i just use 8GB storage on my cubieboard
<netchip> rootfs is only 2GB :P
<buZz> not external rootfs or something
<netchip> oh - it's likely I'll be putting much shit on it
<buZz> and hook up an old 60GB HDD sometimes when i need more space
<buZz> btw there is #cubieboard aswell
<WarheadsSE> netchip: should just buy a kirkwood based NAS device then, store it all on there.
<netchip> how long does it take to compile sunxi kernel on A10?
<WarheadsSE> natively?
<netchip> WarheadsSE, Yeah, probably we're building one ourself :)
<netchip> WarheadsSE, Yes
<netchip> natively
<buZz> netchip: about an hour
<WarheadsSE> or so
<netchip> ouch
<buZz> not terribly long
<netchip> my PC does in 2 minutes
<WarheadsSE> depends on how many modules you plan on adding
<buZz> you cant compare ARM with x86
<netchip> buZz, Ofcourse I can't
<buZz> well you can, but ARM will always loose
<techn_> I remember times when I compiled kernel with 120Mhz pentium :p
<netchip> buZz, not 32 ARM core server vs quad x86 ;)
<netchip> techn_, at that time kernels were small :P
<techn_> but still.. it took hours to compile
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<WarheadsSE> techn_: Kurlon recent recompiled a kernel to add all of netfilter to an 486
<netchip> buZz, Performance/watt is ARM MUCH better
<buZz> netchip: kernel compile times doesnt listen to performance/watt
<netchip> buZz, true
<WarheadsSE> this is why I use distcc :)
<netchip> is distcc working cross arch?
<WarheadsSE> :)
<netchip> eg: I compile sunxi kernel on A10, and my x86 works with me?
<netchip> it*
<WarheadsSE> you have to make the appropriate ct-ng chains, but yes
<WarheadsSE> that is part of how Arch Linux ARM's farm works.
<netchip> does Arch Linux have ARM farms? :D
<buZz> distcc work crossarch yeah
<buZz> but make sure you have the same libc and gcc versions!!!
<buZz> !!!!
<buZz> :)
<netchip> :P
<netchip> omg
<netchip> really gotta do my homework now :/
* penguin42 used to do some admin on a ~100machine distcc farm across a bunch of arch's - make sure you have a nice fast NFS server
<netchip> hate it
<WarheadsSE> buZz: yes, they should match, exactly.
<netchip> penguin42, :P
<WarheadsSE> netchip: yes. a rather nice ARM farm.
<netchip> WarheadsSE, because performance/watt/price is good? :D
<WarheadsSE> GbE is a good idea, and netbooting via NFS might make things complex :P
<penguin42> WarheadsSE: Although having your compiler/libs on nfs solves the versioning problems
<WarheadsSE> netchip: no, I say nice beacuse we hand-engineered this farm around panda & iMX6Q boards
<penguin42> WarheadsSE: Getting bandwidth out of a panda is hard!
<WarheadsSE> penguin42: no, I agree there. Though I would just pull them into ramdisk @ boot.
<netchip> WarheadsSE, o_O
<netchip> WarheadsSE, Did people have them laying unused?
<WarheadsSE> netchip: no, we purchased them with donations.
<netchip> otherwise I'd take a big x86 server
<netchip> WarheadsSE, so performace/price was good? ;p
<netchip> otherwise you'd take x86
<netchip> I presume
<WarheadsSE> no.
<WarheadsSE> pure x86 has it's issues.
<netchip> hmm ok
<WarheadsSE> we pre-parse and link on the ARM devices, but cc via distcc
<netchip> ah
<penguin42> i.MX6 could make for an interesting cheap build farm
<WarheadsSE> There are some things you just can't trust emulation 1005 :)
<netchip> i.MX6 IS interesting
<WarheadsSE> s/5/%/
<ibot> WarheadsSE meant: There are some things you just can't trust emulation 100% :)
<netchip> but quite expensive and not that handy for doing prjects like makign ARM laptop
<netchip> everyhting has it's advantages/disadvatages
<netchip> WarheadsSE, ah
<WarheadsSE> yes netchip, I help run a complete distribution, so I am compiling for 10's of K's
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<netchip> 10's of K's?
<penguin42> WarheadsSE: Managed to build OpenOffice?
<WarheadsSE> (we're not quite sure how large our isntall base is anymore)
<WarheadsSE> penguin42: hmm
<WarheadsSE> on which arch?
<WarheadsSE> 6/7?
<WarheadsSE> even 5
<penguin42> WarheadsSE: That and Haskell packages I seem to remember are the challenge on ARM - just need lots of RAM
<netchip> WarheadsSE, Thanks for learning me something about Arch linux - I use it daily on my PC :D
<leming> libreoffice and haskell are both no-go's at the moment
<netchip> http://linux-sunxi.org/A31 << are devices already released with that chip?
<WarheadsSE> well, then netchip, you're probably fine to "BYOK" if you have to, and just use Arch Linux ARM
<netchip> seems really interesting
<penguin42> leming: Nod
<netchip> WarheadsSE, "BYOK"
<netchip> ?
<penguin42> leming: I hate to think wtf Haskell does but hey
<TestModule> BringYourOwnKernel
<netchip> ah
<netchip> I thought knife :P
<TestModule> >.>
<netchip> that does Google say
<leming> haskell needs some pretty complex bootstrapping to get going
<netchip> "Acronym, Definition. BYOK, Bring Your Own Knife. BYOK"
<leming> i've tried a couple times before, but haven't been successful
<aexl1> leming: but libreoffice works on a10 right?
<netchip> Just crosscompile Libreoffice/whatever? :')
<leming> if you can get it built it should :P
<penguin42> netchip: Libreoffice is a MESS, trying to cross it isn't trivial
<penguin42> (Actually to be fair LO may be better, last time I looked was on OoO and LO are on a cleanup)
<aexl1> leming: doesn't sound too good.
<netchip> penguin42, meh, I don't like libreoffice anwyays
<aexl1> and ooo?
<leming> i think it's safe to say the world has abandoned openoffice in favor of libreoffice
<leming> oracle screwed that pooch a little too much
<aexl1> i thought it's going okay with the apache licence.
<netchip> i hate it all
<leming> most devs jumped ship to libreoffice, which is actually getting much better feature-wise
<netchip> it's just SO basic
<netchip> MS Office is IMHO still the best
<netchip> but can't run on Linux
<penguin42> netchip: Yeh unfortuantely true
<WarheadsSE> well
<leming> MS Office is still too much of a standard in the business world
<WarheadsSE> technically it can. just not by anyone who: 1) is sane 2) or wishes to remain so
<penguin42> the import on Lo is a lot better; but export is still poor; and there are still missing a lot of features
<penguin42> WarheadsSE: Oh well, that explains why I've done it in the past :-)
<netchip> Google Documents...
<netchip> :)
<netchip> Or ownCloud with some plugins
<netchip> I don't know
<WarheadsSE> penguin42: we've had ALARM users emulate 486 to run win98 w/ firefox.
<leming> google docs is great if you don't need a large formatting feature set
<penguin42> WarheadsSE: ALARM ?
<leming> i use it for a lot of things
<WarheadsSE> penguin42: short for Arch Linux ARM
<netchip> tomorrow school 9:15-16:05 -____-
<penguin42> tomorrow work :-(
<netchip> work does atleast earn money lol
<netchip> and it's a thing you've choosen for, I mean, the subject
<netchip> and you don't have homework
<penguin42> netchip: True; although I'd like to be working on some open stuff; not doing at the moment
<netchip> penguin42, ?
<WarheadsSE> <3 work from home contracting :)
<netchip> at your job or @ home?
<WarheadsSE> that IS my job
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<penguin42> WarheadsSE: I think if I could get the money I might
<netchip> WarheadsSE, was talking about penguin42 ;)
<netchip> I have to do: (6-2)+4 = 8 more years :(
<netchip> 4 years secundary school
<netchip> and 4 years university :)
<penguin42> netchip: University is the good bit - nice and free and meet a lot of smart people
<buZz> university is not free in .nl
<penguin42> did the full set of 3 degrees until I ran out and had to get a job
<netchip> penguin42, Yeah, that's what I am looking forward to
<penguin42> buZz: I meant freedom
<WarheadsSE> netchip: it's not free in US either.
<netchip> buZz, Yeah, it's costing 2000 euro/yearly
<netchip> so 8k in total
<buZz> penguin42: ah right
<netchip> I'm saving up money from any apps I make anwyays
<netchip> but my family isn't poort fortunately :P
<netchip> poor*
<buZz> how much have you saved now?
<netchip> not anything yet :P
<buZz> heh
<netchip> but I've made the plan a few months ago
<buZz> i dont like paid software
<netchip> and since that time I'm working out ideas
<buZz> usually its closed source
<netchip> like OTA Updaters etc
<netchip> buZz, To get money you need to close source things, if you want to sell it
<buZz> no you dont
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<netchip> give me a _good_ business model
<buZz> many people are getting money to work on opensource software
<netchip> where I am selling my app
<buZz> why, are you a business?
<netchip> business model = model to get money from something
<buZz> get a job :)
<netchip> when I'm 14 y/o? 9 euro/weekly and I have to walk 4 hours/weekly in the rain?
<netchip> nty
<netchip> I'd rather use my brain
<buZz> i knew this guy who was sysadmin at a media company when we was 13 year old
<netchip> buZz, oh - sysadmin of my primary school didn't believe me when I said I found a vulnerability in his system
<netchip> he made folders accessable via children's accounts, so I could read all documents about people
<netchip> and even replace files with a file with a trojan in it
<netchip> but yeh
<buZz> hehe, i gave the sysadmin at our highschool the passwords to everything when i was 15 maybe
<buZz> only been in that school a couple of months then
<netchip> before you got kciked off? :P
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<buZz> no, i finished it
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<netchip> buZz, I really don't know how to find stuff like that :-D
<buZz> like what?
<netchip> vulnerabilties such as your pw hack
<buZz> oh
<buZz> i copied the security programs (vulnerability one)
<buZz> then analyzed the program (which was unencrypted, vuln. two)
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<buZz> had some filenames inside which i could copy aswell (vuln. three)
<buZz> which just had the password in plaintxt (vuln. four)
<buZz> changed all the passwords and gave the sysadmin the new passwords on a note
<buZz> next day he gave me root access and asked for help to improve all this ;)
<netchip> :p
<netchip> it was linux?
<buZz> no, windows 3.1 mixed with netware
<buZz> linux hardly was used back then, 2.0 kernel wasnt even released
<netchip> why don't schools ever use linux *sigh*
<netchip> it works so well
<WarheadsSE> netchip: because oversight is not simple.
<netchip> Install ubuntu 12.04
<buZz> it works well now
<netchip> chown some directories
<buZz> a lot of schools _are_ using it
<netchip> setup ZFS
<WarheadsSE> words are easy, reality is harder
<netchip> buZz, my primary and secundary don't, maybe universities do it
<WarheadsSE> People tend to dislike effory.
<netchip> WarheadsSE, /home/teachers /home/students and make groups and then chown them
<buZz> probably your school does use it netchip
<buZz> they just dont know they are
<netchip> buZz, it's Windows, with thin clients
<buZz> like in a router, accesspoint, printer, fax
<buZz> etc
<netchip> Yeah
<netchip> but I mean
<WarheadsSE> netchip: Again, no, rinse and repeat for +1000 people or several thousand
<netchip> the servers
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<netchip> WarheadsSE, 700 people
<buZz> router isnt a server?
<buZz> i disagree
<netchip> buZz, router != server IMHO
<netchip> you could say
<netchip> class router extends server
<netchip> ;)
<buZz> if its running linux, is headless, and has ssh or telnet, i call it a server
<netchip> so it basically is yeah
<netchip> but it isn't
<netchip> well i don't know
<buZz> also, probably your teachers have android phones
<buZz> which are linux systems with some weird app google made
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<netchip> buZz, This is about what *I* see and how it's managed, what the data boxes run etc
<buZz> so a lot more linux used on your school than you (or school management) realizes
<netchip> file servers
<netchip> WarheadsSE, OK, you could use two file servers, one for teachers and one for students, and mount them via NFS, and preserve proper permissions
<netchip> buZz, I agree, but I meant more like the file servers etc
<netchip> because ZFS is da bomb
<buZz> they probably only use what they know
<buZz> and they dont learn new stuff, because they work in education
<netchip> I could manage all those servers, with my Linux knowledge.
<netchip> Yeah, true, education has much less cursusses than companies tec
<netchip> etc
<netchip> They don't even have their own mail server LOL
<netchip> they use the one from the ISP
<netchip> it's a terminal server + file servers
<buZz> i always smile when a company tells me their email address is ....@hotmail.com, like i was smiling to some demented grandma telling me i remind them of their grandson
<netchip> xD
<netchip> well it is ....@schoolname
<netchip> but it's hosted @ their ISP o_O
<netchip> grow some balls, use linux, buy an extra file server, use ZFS, install Ubuntu LTS with Unity, auto mount
<buZz> i dont see a problem in that
<netchip> right home dir via NFS
<buZz> probably their ISP has more knowledge about spamfiltering
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<buZz> netchip: btw, this conversation is so hugely offtopic, we should move it
<netchip> yeah true
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<SPG> hands master bbf5096 rhombus sandbox.mdwn * Let's see if this works in #arm-netbook * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbf5096
<fil> jolly good -- that's reporting git commits to the rhombus-tech wiki, in case you're wondering
<buZz> nice
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<fil> (although that was all colourful when I tested that in another channel -- anyone seeing that in colour?)
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<buZz> no, this channel is mode +c
<buZz> so all color filtered
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<fil> ah, fair enough then
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<fil> lkcl: hiya -- just fired up a bot for tracking your git commits (SPG)
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<fil> sorry it took so long since CIA died
<lkcl> ey ta fil
<specing> Can we get colours too?
<fil> lkcl: in case you're wondering, that's my fault:
<fil> [20:40] < SPG> hands master bbf5096 rhombus sandbox.mdwn * Let's see if this works in #arm-netbook * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbf5096
<fil> [20:41] < fil> jolly good -- that's reporting git commits to the rhombus-tech wiki, in case you're wondering
<fil> [20:47] < fil> (although that was all colourful when I tested that in another channel -- anyone seeing that in colour?)
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<leming> need to remove the +c channel mode, otherwise freenode strips colors
<specing> yup
<specing> lkcl: strip +c!
<jelly-home> or keep it, colors are annoying
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* fil was not advocating for colour, BTW -- you need to sort that out amongst yourselves
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<netchip|brb> anyways
<netchip|brb> off to bed
<netchip|brb> cya!
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<lkcl> specing: i'm not an admin for this channel. i asked the people who set it up to assign me chanops, and the assignment was lost somehow
<lkcl> #arm-netbook :You're not a channel operator
<specing> -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 4 lkcl +AFRfiorstv (op) [modified 18 weeks, 6 days, 11:23:19 ago]
<specing> you need to op yourself
<lkcl> specing: really? gosh.
<specing> /msg chanserv op #arm-netbook lkcl
<lkcl> taaaa
<lkcl> hooray
<lkcl> ok now what?
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<aholler> [5~
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<lkcl> #arm-netbook c ntcslk :MODE cannot be set due to channel having an active MLOCK restriction policy
<lkcl> /mode #arm-netbook +c
<lkcl> unf?
<lkcl> /mode #arm-netbook -c
<Turl> gotta do it through chanserv
<lkcl> /msg chanserv help set mlock
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<lkcl> too much information for me. if someone knows - or can work out - the command needed, i'll run it.
<specing> /facepalm
<specing> set mlock #arm-netbook +nt
<specing> no
<specing> set #arm-netbook MLOCK +nt
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<Turl> hm, allwinner seems to have proprietarized the nand on the kernel now :|
<specing> ?
<Turl> modules/nand/ with a "libnand"
<Turl> and I don't see their old driver on drivers/block/
<specing> Oh, I came up with an awesome name they could rename themselves to: allhidden
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<Turl> specing: they already renamed themselves, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bbd191a6/
<Turl> read their name backwards after vertical rotation
<specing> lmao
<specing> what a catchy name they have there...
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<Turl> they still didn't convert mach-sun4i to a blob
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