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<slapin>
aren't these coldfires from fsc are m68ks?
<slapin>
monday problems, I see...
<xenoxaos>
...it's monday?
<xenoxaos>
gdi
<torindel>
slapin: yep those thingies where based on 68k
<hramrach>
how do you boot from nand on A10?
<hramrach>
I tried replacing the u-boot in the linux directory with one built from lychee-dev branch and it does not boot
<hramrach>
the original u-boot loads the kernel god knows from where and boots the android
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<xenoxaos>
good question
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<xenoxaos>
i'm going to actually be looking into that as well after i get things sorted out
<torindel>
hramrach: if you want i can give you what i use atm
<torindel>
hramrach: but i'm still trying to know wtf if wrong with linux-sunxi kernel since it wont boot that way while old lichee 3.0.8 leak does
<torindel>
is wrong*
<hramrach>
torindel: how did you get what you use now?
<hramrach>
I am not really that much interested in having the system installed on the nand
<hramrach>
just how to install it
<torindel>
hramrach: bunch of leaks/tools from the internet to make images (that includes various versions of misc firmware you need to include in firmware), extracted source for stuff to build images compatible with android uboot (got source for that too if you want)
<jammi>
I think the nand will be a nice place for a bootloader and utility pack and such
<torindel>
you just make kernel, make kernel.fex, package it and upload it with that windows thingy for flashing nand
<torindel>
sec i'll upload it somewhere
<hramrach>
I do not use windows thingy
<jammi>
someone just have to write samething like that, and I think it'll be a pretty standard thing for the nand
<jammi>
maybe 1GB of it as a suspend image also
<jammi>
(ram suspend)
<torindel>
hramrach: i used "LiveSuit" to update nand via usb cable
<torindel>
and thats windows only
<hramrach>
I am looking for a way to install the kernel without windows thingy
<rm>
the stock kernel is in /dev/nandc
<torindel>
anyway if you got other stuff for that img should be the same as LiveSuit was first app availble for updating nand
<rm>
just written raw onto this partition
<rm>
but you can reconfigure u-boot (via the *.ini file that's there) to load a kernel that would be in a file on /dev/nanda (VFAT)
<rm>
but I'd say just don't bother
<hramrach>
documentation of that .ini somewhere?
<torindel>
hramrach: updating fat/kernel partition might be impossible depending on what you have in nand, as if you got android it probably is set in "protected" state in fex and wont boot if changed
<mnemoc>
hramrach: and git grep SD_UART will lead you to the files where to add other variants
<mnemoc>
buZz: Turl means allwinner's tree
<buZz>
ah, ok
<mnemoc>
the "official" kernel doesn't expose /dev/nand
<mnemoc>
needed by the tool that plays with the partitions
<hramrach>
I have /dev/nand all right
<mnemoc>
good :)
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<hansg>
mnemoc, about those a10s / axp15 patches I posted a bit back, please don't merge them, I've been comparing the register definitions used with the datasheet, and it is too much of a copy paste job from the ax209 driver, sometimes even using the wrong registers. Luckily the axp152 is relatively simple, so I plan to write a clean driver from scratch
<mnemoc>
i only merged the ../ fix one
<mnemoc>
the rest remains on stage
<Turl>
hansg: mainline quality driver? :)
<hansg>
Turl, yes
<mnemoc>
the axp drivers are begging for some unification
<mnemoc>
that helps to narrow the differences and reduce copy&paste mistakes
<hansg>
mnemoc, maybe, AFAIK there are only 2 used out in the wild, the axp20 and axp15 drivers. As said, the axp15 I plan to rewrite from scratch, and it will be much better as a standalone driver, since it does not have the battery charger part is will be much much simpler.
<hansg>
The axp20 driver makes your eyes bleed, not sure if unifying it with the 18 and 19 will help there ...
<mnemoc>
ah, nice. didn't know the diff between axp15 and axp20
<Turl>
does anyone use 18 and 19?
<Turl>
I haven't seen any device with them
<Turl>
maybe they're from sun3i era?
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<hramrach>
see defconfigs I guess
<hramrach>
axp20 here
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<mnemoc>
f20 uses axp209 too
<mnemoc>
don't know about the other sun3i
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<hramrach>
include/configs/sun4i.h:#ifndef CONFIG_SD_UART /* SD_UART Conflicts with MMC0 *
<hramrach>
so I guess I don't want the _sd config
<hramrach>
which enables that
<hramrach>
or I don't care really
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<hramrach>
hansg: especially there is BATTERY_HID or somesuch option which the axp20 driver ahppily ignores and rolls its own input device
<hramrach>
compiled axp20 out to have input-free system for testing input hotplug
<Turl>
hramrach: the input device is for power button iirc
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<hramrach>
the power button does not seem to produce any input
<hramrach>
and there are definitely more uses than just the button in the code
<rz2k>
is sunxi-bsp's u-boot-sunxi configure broken?
<Turl>
hramrach: on my tablet I'm pretty sure it does
<Turl>
hramrach: might need a longish press (~5-6s)
<torindel>
Turl: on mine it produces input with short press, on long press it powers off tablet
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<Turl>
torindel: on long long press it does
<Turl>
(~10s)
<mnemoc>
rz2k: uh
<rz2k>
I've googled up 1:1 problem as mine
<rz2k>
maybe I forgot to install something?
<buZz>
apt-get install something
<rz2k>
this is a fresh installation, I only installed git and linaros toolchain
<mnemoc>
rz2k: make u-boot 2>&1 | tee u-boot.log ?
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<Turl>
mnemoc: is there any A13 board with IR?
<rz2k>
interesting
<rz2k>
I did make clean and rebuilt the u-boot and now it is ok
<mnemoc>
Turl: don't know
<rz2k>
maybe ordering issue?
<mnemoc>
odd
<mnemoc>
we changed it to make myboard_config; make all to avoid such problems
<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: you mentioned the other day with the script.bin turning the axp off, it should boot the sun5i kernel just fine on devices without it, right?
<mnemoc>
it should
<mnemoc>
if not, it's a bug
<WarheadsSE>
I'll have a look
<mnemoc>
pmu_used = 0 should work
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<WarheadsSE>
Yeah, i just need to fire up a kernel for it with the pmu on
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<xenoxaos>
has anyone done any bitbanging for the dallas onewire stuff on the A1x stuff?
<buZz>
there is a gpio_1wire driver btw
<buZz>
FYI
<xenoxaos>
and that plays nice with the A13 gpios?
<buZz>
i think its completely careless about which gpio you use, as long as its the in-kernel gpio driver
<buZz>
try it!
<Turl>
hm, mini PCs for ~45USD on dx
<slapin>
~$45 are expensive ones...
<ibot>
okay, slapin
<slapin>
ibot: wtf?
<ibot>
methinks wtf is what that's fine?
<slapin>
damn
<Turl>
huh
* slapin
hates talking to computer programs :(
<Turl>
ibot: take a cookie
<br->
slapin: what's the cheapest you've seen?
* xenoxaos
wants a cookie
<slapin>
br-: $28, but I've lost the link, and these are on aliexpress.
<br->
crazy
<slapin>
br-: on dx I onece seen original mk802 (I mean 512MB one without PMU) for $32
<xenoxaos>
if i dont get shit, i just reject the charge on my cc
<jinzo>
I didn't even get the 5$ coupon
<jinzo>
xenoxaos, there was no problem with money, they just didn't wish to ship the stuff and refounded us
<jinzo>
claiming it on the bogus "It's not 1.5Ghz"
<mnemoc>
that is the problem. the BS they invented to refuse to sell it
<mnemoc>
s/sell/ship/
<jinzo>
jep, and the whole situation on how they handled stuff
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<jinzo>
I'm still looking for my wannabe "Internet of Things" platform, and it looks like the TP-link WR703N takes the cake with the price/performance, closely followed by those mk802s
<jinzo>
still quite funny, that a dongle with full HDMI/video decode/whatnote + WiFi comes waay cheaper than only whatewer else + WiFi :D
<rm>
cheaper than what?
<Turl>
jinzo: if your internet of things can live with a non-internet last mile, stuff like zigbee might be a good alternative
<jinzo>
Let's say 8devices carambola (OpenWRT capable SoC with wifi)
<jinzo>
Turl, zigbee is expensive.
<Turl>
it probably has a hardware switch
<rm>
8devices carambola <- LOL
<Turl>
and a NxM MIMO radio
<rm>
one of those "WESTERN COMPANIES" products
<rm>
which target an enthusiast niche
<rm>
and charge 5x the realistic price
<jinzo>
the only cheaper than A10 device with WiFi is TP-Link WR-703N
<jinzo>
rm, yes I know I know, but they seemingly target the exact niche I am exploring.
<Turl>
you can probably get WRT54G for cheap
<jinzo>
and even that router thingie is only marginally cheaper (not to mention A10 is way more powerful, has display output capabilites, enormus amount of memory etc.)
<mnemoc>
you can't expect a devboard to compete with cheap chinese CE
<rm>
with overpriced hobbyist boards
<Turl>
rm: they do open hardware :p
<Turl>
rm: download the stuff and DIY
<jinzo>
Turl, I know - those routers for example ar almost 50% cheeaper, the MK802 II linked before comes 20$ cheaper (and I don't think they have shipping included in that)
<oliv3r>
still no A20 device? :(
<jinzo>
Olimex is on the right track imo.
<Turl>
oliv3r: they won't do it unless AW releases a GPL friendly kernel I read
<Turl>
"At this point we decided to not release any other OLinuXino boards based on Allwinner SoC until they start releasing non-GPL violating Linux kernel sources and improve their documentation, so OLinuXino boards with their newer processors like A20 and A31 will be not implemented."
<torindel>
oliv3r: utter crap as in no driver of utter crap as in utter crap? xD
<oliv3r>
Turl the big quesiton is, are the pushing this into AW's face too
<slapin>
mnemoc, jinzo: what is wrong with dx?
<oliv3r>
torindel: No GPL driver, whatsoever, no attempt to reverse engineer it, and technically, it's really shit too (ask libv)
<Turl>
oliv3r: idk, maybe people in #olimex know
<mnemoc>
slapin: just got tired of their BS. and there are plenty alternative sources
<jinzo>
slapin, the bullshit storm that happened after they started selling the uhost sticks for what? 15USD or something like that
<oliv3r>
the 20 USD stick debacle i reccon?
<mnemoc>
slapin: the "it's not 1.5GHz so I will refund you regardless what you say" crap crossed my limit
<slapin>
so they sold non-existent crap?
<jinzo>
slapin, no - it was a price error
<mnemoc>
slapin: they offered an mk802ii for $20
<jinzo>
the crap was good, but they listed the usual 1.5Ghz on the product page
<jinzo>
and then said tzhey do not wish to ship, because they are inferior quality (as you know A10 have advertised 1.5Ghz but actually run at 1Ghz)
<mnemoc>
slapin: and made a complex plot to show how they discovered the devices where "defective" because they were only 1GHz
<jinzo>
it was a bad excuse
<mnemoc>
were*
<libv>
i am still debating whether i will show davy jones or some other "hazard" warning sign in my talk on saturday
<mnemoc>
libv: +1 :)
<libv>
for pvr, where other projects show actual photos of the people REing those things
<mnemoc>
libv: what about broadcom's? :p
<oliv3r>
it was a shitty excuse for not wanting to honor theiiiir lower price :p
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<libv>
mnemoc: i am hoping that eben upton will be in the room, so i can finger him directly for talking utter BS
<oliv3r>
davy jones from the EEVBlog?
<mnemoc>
a "sorry we ran out of stock" would have been fair. the bs about the 1.5GHz.... come on
<mnemoc>
libv: :D
<libv>
oliv3r: davy jones as in the symbol used for "the content of this bottle poisonous"
<oliv3r>
Ohhh, the skull and bones :)
<oliv3r>
Wasn't it the jolly roger?
<libv>
oh, you're right
<libv>
crap
<libv>
my pirate knowledge is completely shaken now
<oliv3r>
lol
<oliv3r>
pirates of the carabean was a good series though :p
<oliv3r>
can't wait for the fosdem video
<oliv3r>
i wanna go so badly
<oliv3r>
and eindhoven isn't even that far from brussels!
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: what's your excuse?
<jinzo>
School? :P
<mnemoc>
lame :)
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<jinzo>
At least that's mine, after I figured out that WizzAir actually makes flights from the nearest airport to Brussels for ~25€ one way
<jinzo>
afaik it doesen't matter for the process itself.
<jinzo>
Done. Means it finished OK, afaik.
<mnemoc>
yes
<mnemoc>
boot.scr is optional, and that whining can be ignored
<rz2k>
ok
<rz2k>
thanks
<mnemoc>
yw
<mnemoc>
rz2k: btw, I just updated the submodules of sunxi-bsp. you may want to update and rebuild :)
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<techn_>
uuh
<mnemoc>
techn_: ? :)
<techn_>
just groaning after snow cleaning :)
<libv>
mnemoc: since you are around...
<libv>
mnemoc: why is there little to no info on getting linux-sunxi installed on nand?
<mnemoc>
it's pretty simple
<libv>
because it is not well supported yet, and because our u-boot is not in good enough shape for it yet?
<libv>
really?
<libv>
but through livesuit i suppose?
<mnemoc>
replace linux/u-boot.bin with one built from lichee-dev of u-boot-sunxi
<mnemoc>
i've never used livesuit, ever
<mnemoc>
then copy your uImage to nanda
<mnemoc>
use nand-part to repartion
<mnemoc>
and change u-boot's env to lead uImage fro the vfat instead of raw
<mnemoc>
s/lead/load/
<ibot>
mnemoc meant: and change u-boot's env to load uImage fro the vfat instead of raw
<libv>
all of that seems rather non-trivial, and might benefit from being documented on the wiki
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<vinifm>
mnemoc: hi, is there REPEATER MODE in sunxi GPIO?
<mnemoc>
libv: absolutely. volunteer? :)
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<libv>
nope, not now, i am sticking with SD until fosdem and finally getting close to setting the mele up for being directly demoable :)
<mnemoc>
:D
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<libv>
mnemoc: are you coming to fosdem btw?
<lawrence>
+ your elastic band :)
<libv>
i hope to use a bit of tape :)
<libv>
but yes, still elastic at this time
<mnemoc>
libv: can't afford it :<
<libv>
:(((
<mnemoc>
just getting from my local airport to civilization costs around 150E
<jammi>
iirc, 10€ by bus to/from here
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* mnemoc
feels envy
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<GeorgeIoak>
I was wondering if I could get some guidance taking my kernel/rootfs on my SD card and putting it into NAND instead. I'm working on a A10 with 4GB NAND (Cubieboard)
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<xenoxaos>
linux or android?
<mnemoc>
GeorgeIoak: first step is to replace nanda's linux/u-boot.bin with one built from u-boot-sunxi's lichee-dev branch because the "stock" lichee-dev u-boot doesn't properly pass ATAG info
<sky770>
has anyone tried ubuntu arm-hf/ any linux distro on Pivos AIOS ?
<GeorgeIoak>
@mnemoc I'm running linux-sunxi 3.0 branch now with linaro Desktop
<sky770>
am just looking around for a cheap box/stick capable of handling ubuntu linux
<sky770>
with 2gogs of RAM :D (if not then atleast repectable perf. with 1gig :| )
<sky770>
gigs*
<jinzo>
sky770, the problem you'll have with all of them is that their graphic drivers are not as good, and even if they are working in X11 they don't support the GL that the Unity/Gnome/whatnot desires, as they only support GLES
<sky770>
@GeorgeIoak what are you running linaro on? which board? :|
<jinzo>
so, I would say it would be hard to find something that is not let's say i.MX6 quad core version that would even barely work as a ubuntu computer.
<sky770>
@jinzo uh yeah I know :( but how about picuntu ? its running quite okay'ish on a rk3066
<GeorgeIoak>
@sky770, the cubieboard so maybe i should ask this over there?
<sky770>
i.mx.6 pftt
<jinzo>
also only newer A31/ACM quad cores ship with 2GB of RAM (at least that I know of) - but that's only in tablets for now.
<sky770>
@GeorgeIoak yes.. pls :D
<jinzo>
sky770, oh, if you find rk3066 performance okay'ish then there is maybe something out there for you, but I don't find that performance anywhere near where I would wish it to be.
<sky770>
@jinzo yeah..I had my eyes on odroid-u2/armbrix sadly..both of them are like $180 (cables, wifi mod., PS adapter) + customs tax so a no..no for me now
<sky770>
not per se "the performance" I wanted..but meh at ~$45 pops :D
<jinzo>
and even their performance in as a traditional desktop is questionable, but something along the lines of a more non-flashy desktop enviroment should work reasonably
<sky770>
noo....hang on odroid-u2 is perfectly fine in desktop perf. chkout its video on tube
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<sky770>
if you're expecting firing up the good 'ol compiz :p ?
<jinzo>
like I said, it's close probably (didn't have that much time to play with it), but not where I would want it to be. If I would be trusting youtube videos...
<sky770>
anyone heard of Cubieboard's perf. under ubuntu/linux?
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<xenoxaos>
and with the odroid's x11 drivers should come out soon
<jinzo>
that would be something.
<sky770>
^ expecting.. but let's see
<libv>
x drivers are one thing
<xenoxaos>
i know the guy that's writing them...
<jinzo>
on the other hand, my friend looks content with the RPi, maybe he'll sell me his odroid :D
<libv>
odroid does not even ship mali binaries at this point
<xenoxaos>
he just got the ddk a couple weeks ago
<sky770>
oh btw we have hisilicon's (branded by huawei) quad core soc coming up in huawei's mediaQ set top box(s)
<sky770>
@libv yep..but hopefully we will break in
<libv>
what do you mean, we will break in?
<jinzo>
hisilicon is huawei's subsidary btw.
<sky770>
huawei mediaQ m810 looks quite cool on paper :|
<sky770>
yep and a linaro core member now :D
<jinzo>
sky770, just a word of coution, libv is the man behind many popular GPU reverse-engineering projects, from ATI/AMD to mali.
* sky770
thinks gimli was behind this too :D
<jinzo>
or putting it planly: He knows this shit.
<libv>
i would love to show off limare on the quad a9 at 1.7MHz with a quad core mali clocked at 600 or so
<sky770>
uhm by "break-in" I meant..some of you guys will eventually have a working driver/workaround
<libv>
but i will have to go and get a working platform with working binary drivers so i can finally figure out how the multiple fragment shaders are being used
<sky770>
600 would be awesome'ly hot :p
<libv>
err, 1.7GHz
<jinzo>
sky770, if you take for example the ATI/AMD effort, which was at least at some point endorsed by ATI/AMD, and they have some documentation, but still there is a lot of work in there, and a lot of things still don't work as they should.
<libv>
the 1.7GHz variant should clock that high
<libv>
jinzo: we only got unbelievably low level documentation, and we got mostly stonewalled by ati
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<sky770>
@libv I hate to put it on the table but..what about samsung devs supporting the cause? aren't they interested in too for giving out some of this shit..src..complete builds..in-to the community?
<libv>
but amd liked our proposal for documentation so much that they forced ati to give us "documentation"
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<libv>
which they did, to the extent that they hoped that we would fail
<jinzo>
libv, I know, but it's something a lot of other projects don't have. I just wanted to relay to sky770 that it's freaking unbelivebly hard to come up with something like that.
<lawrence>
oh, I can usually get hold of most of HiSilicon BSP if needed
<lawrence>
for chips
<sky770>
stonewalled? but those guys just got into Gizmo board (gizmosphere)
<libv>
sky770: i still have to see any hw vendor i nthe arm space support us
<libv>
sky770: maybe in a weeks time, things might look better
<libv>
anyway, if odroid-x2 was selling with working binary userspace drivers for a gnu/linux, i would've ordered one already
<sky770>
yeah..lets see
<libv>
now i think i might just as well get a galaxy s2 off of ebay
<jinzo>
libv, anyone powerfull from the ARM space @FOSDEM?
<libv>
jinzo: doubt it
<libv>
but waves will be made
<sky770>
fosdem? ahh up in feb. :)
<libv>
and let's see what shores they reach
<jinzo>
hopefully you'll make some big ones and they reach all the shores (from america to uk :P)
<sky770>
^ +1
<libv>
well, i was much more optimistic last year, this year, i really rather doubt that we will get more coverage than we did last year
<libv>
this is why i will be laying it on thick that there are multiple projects advancing fast, and that it is impossible to stop it
<sky770>
srry g2g; later guys
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<hramrach>
how come that u-boot insists on cross-compiling on arm
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<hramrach>
and why damn make has no debug options
<mnemoc>
pass an empty CROSS_COMPILE=
<hramrach>
but why?!
<hramrach>
thre is even a check for HOSTARCH being same as ARCH
<hramrach>
both should eval to 'arm' but it still insists on crosscompiling
<hramrach>
n oway to see wth make is doing /o\
<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: tried with pmu_used=0 in fex.. no change, have to comple kernel without support.
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<mnemoc>
WarheadsSE: I see code checking for pmu_para.pmu_used in drivers/power/axp_power/axp15-board.c
<mnemoc>
and in drivers/power/axp_power/axp15-sply.c
<WarheadsSE>
is that the same as the axp209? code? This is on the a13-olinuxino-micro, with no PMU and an a13 running 3.0.57
<mnemoc>
both drivers use the same section
<WarheadsSE>
it's dying in OSAL_disp
<mnemoc>
axp15 and axp20, both check for pmu_para before init
<WarheadsSE>
thats the fex I pulled off, with only having adjusted the pmu_used = 0
<WarheadsSE>
So i need to find all the power:XX and remove/ensure they are disabled
<WarheadsSE>
Am I correct?
<mnemoc>
yes, axp_gpio calls come from port:power references in active blocks
<WarheadsSE>
k
<WarheadsSE>
So, I need to find everything that has a reference to that, and ensure they are .. like lcd_power, lcd_power_used = 0? or do I need to do something entirely about the lines?
<WarheadsSE>
looks like it is just lcd & csi_reset
<mnemoc>
:)
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<WarheadsSE>
[<c02e8170>] (dev_get_drvdata+0x0/0x24) from [<c0377d98>] (axp_clr_bits+0x18/0xb8)
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<mripard>
Turl: great
<mnemoc>
WarheadsSE: axp_gpio_set_io still there
<mnemoc>
WarheadsSE: get rid of the port:power entries
<WarheadsSE>
just make them empty?
<WarheadsSE>
delete the whole line?
<mripard>
Turl: great :)
<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: I change them to ""
<WarheadsSE>
still happens
<mnemoc>
change them to nothing, not empty string
<WarheadsSE>
k
<GeorgeIoak>
does anyone know of tools to check resistive touchscreen? i inserted sunx4i_ts and can see signals on the scope but nothing happens on the system
<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: unless you want me to delete the lines *entirely*, it still isnt working. Set them to 'BLAH = ' and still failed
<mnemoc>
and you are 100% sure you are using this .fex file?
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<WarheadsSE>
yes
<mnemoc>
then there is a bug somewhere :<
<mnemoc>
what's the panic and bt?
<WarheadsSE>
let get you the exact fex I just tried.
<WarheadsSE>
and then i will reboot into a non-hacked OSAL driver (and power supply still enabled) kernel