00:13 <wpwrak> btw, in case someone feels bored or needs to kill time until the gifts arrive (getting a little late for that for those in .eu, though), here's a new block diagram: http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900-wip-2014122421

00:14 <wpwrak> content should be pretty much as before, but i changed/fixed some subtle bugs in the scripts generating all this, so if anything looks suspicious, please holler

01:41 <Oksana> Quuiiieeeettttt......

01:42 <wpwrak> oy

01:42 <wpwrak> grr

01:43 <Oksana> ? Hello

01:44 <wpwrak> it's friggin' xmas eve on almost half of the planet. what do you expect it to be ? wild orgies ? ;-)

01:45 <Oksana> Well, I would expect that people free from work would double their efforts on open-source front ;-) But they are more likely to run away from computers altogether, so... Almost-silence in many places.

01:45 <wpwrak> in german, there's even a song, about the most famous for xmas, going "quiet night, holy night ..." :)

01:48 <Oksana> Why does N950-flasher require sudo? Work-Linux is protected against sudo-attempts, so reflashing N950 (to latest-Nemo-Mobile) can be done only at home (fortunately, I have already downloaded image and such, so slow Internet is not going to be a problem).

01:50 <wpwrak> you should make friends with the people who can free you from that sort of straight-jackets :)

01:55 <Oksana> Heh... I know the admin, but I doubt he would make an exception for me, because it would set a dangerous precedent, and greatly increase number of problems he has to solve. As it is, handling proprietary=buggy software is no easy task. Mysterious problems come and go; log-off-log-on is the most common cure, but it does not always help.

02:13 <wpwrak> you just have to come up with a good excuse for him to give you the necessary "privileges". then he's covered. and at universities, people rarely get hanged for screwing up, so even if you did cause some damage, he probably wouldn't worry too much.

03:44 <DocScrutinizer51> chowm /dev/usb

03:45 <Oksana> chown?

11:42 <trench> new command to take over hardware ;)

13:35 <Pali> fuck, my raspberrypi with debian *wheezy* wants to install new package called init-system-helpers

13:36 <Pali> Maintainer: pkg-systemd-maintainers <pkg-systemd-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>

13:36 <wpwrak> do you feel the cold fingers of evil gripping your shoulder ? :)

13:36 <Pali> lennarts wants also embeded world or what?

13:38 <Pali> package fake-hwclock now depends on that systemd shit

13:38 <Pali> are they idiots or what?

13:38 <wpwrak> soon, /bin/true will require it ...

13:39 <Pali> script in cron which read current timestamp and store it to disk depends on that?

13:41 <Pali> my rpi has only 500MHz processor and only 256MB of RAM... I cannot install systemd because I do not have enough memory for it

13:42 <Pali> so no thanks!

13:58 <bencoh> 256mo isnt enough for systemd ? :]

14:01 <DocScrutinizer51> xactly my point since over a year. Lennart ~poettering nuking linux for everything other than desktop PC workstation usecase

14:01 <DocScrutinizer51> ~poettering

14:01 <infobot> 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal

14:11 <SylvieLorxu> Wow, Linus is friendly in those posts

14:12 <bencoh> :)

14:14 <mvaenskae> Pali: systemd will make great friends in the embedded world of uclibc and musl ;) ohhh wait... it is designed to run with glibc

14:17 <mvaenskae> DocScrutinizer51: i am getting weird looks if i say i am anti-systemd "awww come on, it's just an init system, it won't kill you to use it"... yup, maybe not now but in 5 years even a stupid text editor will depend on some interface it offers and oh boy will kdbus give a field day for exploits to run in kernel level as opposed to userspace

14:27 <SylvieLorxu> "It's only one of the most important parts of a system"

14:30 <bencoh> mvaenskae: they hardcoded glibc-specific stuff as well ?

14:31 <bencoh> seriously now .... when you thought it couldnt get worst ...

14:31 <bencoh> (it will)

14:31 <bencoh> -t+e

14:31 <MonkeyofDoom> "oh boy will kdbus give a field day for exploits to run in kernel level as opposed to userspace" the other part is true but this is nonsense

14:31 <DocScrutinizer51> yup

14:33 <MonkeyofDoom> there's no reason kdbus will be more exploity than any other IPC service the kernel provides, and the kernel side of kdbus solves some problems that weren't well-solved previously which will benefit things like Wayland's use of SHM

15:03 <Openbot> Kaboom kaboom

15:03 <Openbot> kabooom kabo...

15:03 <Openbot> drunk chrismas and a jolly new year to all ;) docscrutinizer05 excluded .

15:06 <Openbot> Happy new year and merry chrimas to doc and neoteam ;)

15:07 <Openbot> C ya ll later lots of cakes and stuff to gobble shamelessly ...

15:23 <phre4k> I posted about the neo900 in a German tech forum, response was rather negative. Noobs :D https://ngb.to/threads/13491-neo900-%E2%80%93-Wiedergeburt-des-Nokia-N900

15:24 <Humpelstilzchen> not for everyone

15:28 <phre4k> ^

15:28 <phre4k> I thought IT pros would know what's great about the neo900 and what it is not.

15:33 <Humpelstilzchen> "pros"

18:10 <mvaenskae> hm, those people seem to be interested in IT, but not in linux and security

18:17 <mvaenskae> reading in the forums people also seem to think only samsung/apple have planned obsolence... very naive :)

18:19 <Humpelstilzchen> neo900 will also feature planned obsolence?

18:32 <kerio> it's already obsolete! :D

18:48 <DocScrutinizer51> obsolte like a Porsche911

18:50 <DocScrutinizer51> s/porsche911/Delorian/

18:51 <mvaenskae> kerio: well, according to the people in the thread it will be

18:51 <mvaenskae> DocScrutinizer51: btw, why are you not listening to those smart guys in the thread? they can supply everything for 100 bucks per device!

18:54 <kerio> LOL

18:54 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: "obsolete like a delorean" is a really nice analogy

19:16 <kerio> especially cuz there is a company selling "new" deloreans using old parts and compatible parts

19:41 <bencoh> :-)

19:47 <sixwheeledbeast> and the fact deloreans were cleverly engineered

19:52 <gottosortoutanic> ot: gta04 2G or 3G?

20:01 <gottosortoutanic> arr ok 3g

21:38 <Oksana> Merry Yule and Happy New Year! Moin

21:40 <kerio> moin

21:45 <ReqGame> :)

21:47 <Oksana> :-)

21:48 <ReqGame> I can't wait to see a fully built proto. :P

21:54 <DocScrutinizer51> ((delorian, clever analogy)) I know :-D

21:54 <DocScrutinizer51> back to the future, Doc! ;)

21:55 <DocScrutinizer51> Just lemme find the right flux compensor

21:56 <ReqGame> just ask Emmett, he should know :P

22:39 <sixwheeledbeast> Capacitor?

22:54 <sixwheeledbeast> oh yeah, only 10 months until hover boards are released. Where can I pre-order...

23:14 <gottosortoutanic> Mic in with ECI? whats ECI

23:14 <gottosortoutanic> ?

23:15 <gottosortoutanic> how does the line-in the gta04 compare to the line-in of the neo900?

23:32 <Oksana> Neo900: Stereo line-in, and Mic in with ECI (Enhancement Control Interface); http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html

23:40 <DocScrutinizer51> Oksana: ta

23:40 <Oksana> Moin

23:41 <Oksana> How are you?

23:41 <DocScrutinizer51> btw ECI is a non-warranted feature. I.E. a feature we try to implement / support but we cannot guarantee it

23:42 <DocScrutinizer51> thanks, I'm fine! and you?

23:43 <wpwrak> gottosortoutanic: all you ever wanted to forget about ECI: https://dspace.cc.tut.fi/dpub/bitstream/handle/123456789/20669/hannula.pdf

23:43 <wpwrak> (this link is somewhat misleadingly called "web page" in the block diagram pop-up on ECI)

23:46 <Oksana> ((off-topic)) Does anybody know where gta04 schematics are? Like, what's the line-in in the gta04?

23:49 <wpwrak> they's in the system manual: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/

23:57 <gottosortoutanic> gta04 1.3mp optional cam (if i can get one) or 5.3mp auto focus neo900 cam... ooooow what a dilemma

23:58 <DocScrutinizer51> so a new "problem". Neo900 doesn't know DAB

23:58 <nox-> what phone does anyway?

23:59 <nox-> fm sure but dab...

23:59 <wpwrak> and where's two-way shortwave, e.g., when you're on oceanic flight 815 ?