<DocScrutinizer05>
check out whatever it needs for your edit, apply the edit, ideally put it into a local apache so I can access and review it on <your-current-IP>/neo900-edits/index.htm or whatever
<DocScrutinizer05>
once I nod it off, you either check in the files to git, or you ask wpwrak or dos1 to do so
<DocScrutinizer05>
basically you need dos1 to agree in the end since he's the responsible for the wen appearance
<DocScrutinizer05>
web*
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<wpwrak>
(git account) no, i don't know that works. but once you have it, the rest is easy :)
<wpwrak>
sending patches or such works as well
<DocScrutinizer05>
c'mon, patches for HTML text? you're serious?
<wpwrak>
how else would you sent changes ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
edited file?
<wpwrak>
and html is just a markup language
<wpwrak>
so the recipient gets to do the diffs. great. would you like some rocks with that ? ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, and I bet we can find anphter 9 tools to apply
<wpwrak>
sending entire files around (with the expectation that the recipient simply replaces what they had before, without any control whether there are conflicts) is just the windows way of doing things
<wpwrak>
i think we can be a bit smarter than that :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
how about rar archives of patches, uu-encoded?
<DocScrutinizer05>
conflicts? I don't give a f* about "coflicts"
<wpwrak>
just patches will be fine :) or put it on a public git repo and generate a pull request. that even avoids the export/import from/into git
<DocScrutinizer05>
suuuure
<Oksana>
Will try. Does Github (not Gitbus :-) ) fit the role of "a public git repo"?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I hereby define that the ones who insisted in using git have to accept any arbitrary reasonable data format of HTML content that the ones who want to help will provide
<wpwrak>
Oksana: yes. dunno if DocScrutinizer05 is okay with having our web site mirrored there. but yes, you could use it.
<Oksana>
Ok, now digging into Github manual...
<wpwrak>
it's a bit of an advanced use case, though, since you're be merging changes from a "remote" repo into your github-based one
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, I'm not ok with our stuff getting mirrored on arbitrary locations in the web, on unexpected services like git
<Oksana>
Is it called re-base or something? Ok, then I would need to find-create a non-Github Git server for <your-current-IP>/neo900-edits/index.htm ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
this is a website which somebody takes legal responsibility for, not a FOSS SW project
<Oksana>
Meaning that hosting it on Github would invite people to create forks without permission?
<wpwrak>
the data flow is: our git -> other git -> pull request to us -> someone integrates from the other git
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm not interested in dicussions with arbitrary public-acme-github owners about who uploaded commercial content to their site
<Oksana>
s/hosting/putting/
<wpwrak>
of course, if we can/want to give oksana access to our git, then the changes don't have to go back and forth
<Oksana>
No problem, I will find a server to put Git+Pelican on :-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's what I suggested and would tolerate
<wpwrak>
there are also ways to keep things separate in a single repo. but then you have to trust the people with commit access to follow whatever rules you define
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I don't think somebody who wants to help edit a neo900 webpage needs to set up pelican and git on a server dedicated to this job
<wpwrak>
you kinda asked for this when asking for a preview ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually I start to dispise the whole publicly readable git idea
<wpwrak>
but in most cases the "preview" should be pretty trivial. just look at the diff.
<DocScrutinizer05>
fuck no!!! I won't render HTML in my head!!!
<wpwrak>
- Blah foo blah.</SCARYTAG>
<wpwrak>
+ Blah bar blah.</SCARYTAG>
<DocScrutinizer05>
etx
<wpwrak>
;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
discussion finished
<wpwrak>
and here we are again. someone tries to help, move things forward. but it ends in confusion. result: nothing happens. well, at least this time not much time was wasted on it.
<DocScrutinizer05>
you either privide an URL where I can check the final page using my browsers (plural!), or you send the file as mail attachment so I can open it locally in said browsers. No other format will get checked and accepted
<Oksana>
Former one is more likely ;-) But not immediately.
<Oksana>
Plural is good, plural is fine, I remember having Firefox 1 around somewhere...
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: we can create an account for you so you can upload the file directly to our internal or public hrml supported filesharing area
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm _not_ going to even have a look at patches etc
<Oksana>
Upload the file directly?.. Ok, it is fine, too. I hope.
<DocScrutinizer05>
since I cannot approve and take responsibility for the result
* Oksana
edits hyper-text mark-up language files in Notepad
<DocScrutinizer05>
I sometimes edit them in mcedit
<DocScrutinizer05>
or I use libreoffice
<DocScrutinizer05>
haven't touched that stuff since the moment it got locked behind a git wall of new cryptic handling procedures
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually once I did, took me several hours and a number of git commands nobody told me to use, to fix some fsckup git introduced
<DocScrutinizer05>
we'll soon change that whole thing to a CRM
<DocScrutinizer05>
since nobody of the ones insisting in using git is willing to actually take care about updating end maintaining the content, and nobody who would be willing to help (incl me) is willing to learn git to do so
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/end/and/
<DocScrutinizer05>
plus any webshop is not working in a git based web environment either
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<DocScrutinizer05>
s/CRM/CMS/
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<Oksana>
CRM does not sound like something easy to migrate to. Or to migrate out of, if need be. Though, the actual concept may be better than it sounds. Just in case you have not chosen CRM yes, here is an interesting link: http://www.thinx.ch/customx.html
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<DocScrutinizer05>
CRM would be the soon-to-implement webshop
<DocScrutinizer05>
see, I'm busy with doing my *job* which is EE, also I need to do tasks like sourcing of components which I'm really not feeling happy with and have no experience, yet they need to get done. I'm absolutely not interested in maintaining a website, I need somebody who takes care and also installs a webshop so we can start selling mech kits, and since dos1 is busy I will find somebody else and we will install and use whatever that person
<DocScrutinizer05>
suggests is suited for the task at hand
<DocScrutinizer05>
the ex-colleague at ability-nordbayern is doing website maintenance for a living and he's aware of the legal requirements of such webshop and site as well. And when I tell him that a fineprint or whatever needs some edit according to my tax adviser (if I even need to mention that, I guess he would notice by himself without me asking my tax adviser) then the edit will get done in a timely manner - at least that's what I hope for and pay
<DocScrutinizer05>
for
<DocScrutinizer05>
but with the typo3 CMS it seems I could do the edit myself as well, without messing around with git and whatnot
<DocScrutinizer05>
and if that's the case, the interactive diagram already would be there on the specs page since 2 weeks or more, since I suggested and asked for exactly that the very moment we published it
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<Oksana>
That's partially problem of platform (not everybody finds git palatable) and partially problem of time. Simply removing git does not sound well because then any edit of the website would be difficult to roll back, should a problem arise. Giving access to somebody who would be able to speedily implement such small changes would resolve much of the problem, without cumbersome migration to somewhere.
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, a CMS allows rollback more finegrained and selective than git ever would
<Oksana>
I am not surprised that CMS allows rollback, but I am afraid that it would be a large and complicated system, to migrate to.
<Oksana>
Ok... as long as it costs less that the distractions caused by git being slow. And without radically changing look of the website. Their offer sounds nice... It's basically WYSIWYG HTML editor, with edit-tracking?
<DocScrutinizer05>
((Giving access to somebody)) see wpwrak who said he doesn't even know how to do that
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<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, WYSIWYG editor, with account management (to grant an edit account e.g. to you, maybe only for a hidden area where I can review your edits and then nod them off and move them to public area) and a webshop backend which will get implemented first since it's more important than the frontpage CMS
<DocScrutinizer05>
I got ~400 customers who want access to their account to check balance, order options, kits, parts and whatnot. I need a webshop for this
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I got a company however which might get sued by troll lawyers when some detail in the web appearance is not complying with Germn(!) laws
<DocScrutinizer05>
I git the 4th tax adviser now who told my to change fineprint, on Tuesday. It's still not updated on website
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/git/got/
<DocScrutinizer05>
there been no newsletter since 3+ months now
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd not mind anybody as guest author writing a short article we could publish.
<Oksana>
Newsletter will not be provided by WYSIWYG editor :-/ I will think about it. Should I send it to contact@neo900.org ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
there are peeved mails to contact@ and donation@ complaining about no confirmation mails and no news or updates about status ever getting sent
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, massively appreciated :-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: you're more than welcome to ask me in private query about details of project status etc, so you have some flesh to base a short newsletter note on
<Oksana>
I will ask, but first I will re-read the logs about humidity sensor, speakers and other details which may be counted as news.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't want to spread telegram comments in public since they more often than not get misinterpreted by a lot of casual readers
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
great!
<DocScrutinizer05>
speakers are no worthy news
<DocScrutinizer05>
at best a sidenote like "we're looking for sources of Knowles TINY"
<DocScrutinizer05>
(only relevant for those who want mech kit aka 'device incl case and all'
<DocScrutinizer05>
)
<DocScrutinizer05>
the 'upgraders' will use the speakers they already got mounted into their N900 case
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: good luck with council elections, btw
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<Oksana>
Thanks, but I am looking forward to making them more challenging by having more candidates ;-)
<Oksana>
What about Knowles Grand?
<DocScrutinizer05>
in the end you'll have more candidates than voters
<Oksana>
So, humidity sensor is worthy news ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
Knowles GRAND is too large
<Oksana>
Candidates are unlikely to forget about voting ;-) So, is Knowles Tiny obtainable?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, us looking into feasibility of adding humidity sensor is worthy news
<DocScrutinizer05>
TINY is basically unobtainium, for now
<DocScrutinizer05>
otherwise we wouldn't look for suppliers
<DocScrutinizer05>
and that again is some remark I rather would do in a private query since when the occasional reader hears about "unobtainium" they go "OMGOMGOMGOMG the project is doomed"
<jonwil>
I assume someone has actually contacted knowles and asked if they can supply the particular speaker we need...?
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, I didn't yet. You don't contact companies like Knowles or TI or GeneralMotors or Nestle and ask for a 500 or 1000 of their obsolete 50ct articles. That's usually useless
<DocScrutinizer05>
those companies don't do busines with volumes < $$$$$$$
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I don't even know the exact amount of speakers we need, since I git no webshop yet to ask our customers if they want a complete device or a NeoN board only
<DocScrutinizer05>
got*
<Oksana>
Well, count my pre-order(s) as "a complete device". If you have got a place to write down... I will reply whenever and wherever I get asked ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
in case of knowles you don't even find a decent contact channel to ask them about such stuff
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<DocScrutinizer05>
they redirect customers searching for a contact towards their distributors like digikey etc
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>The company is moving its hearing-aid production from China to the Philippines this year after its 1,000-member Chinese workforce won minimum wages of $3.50 an hour, up from 60 cents an hour when Knowles arrived in 1996. “Our labor costs will be halved in the Philippines,” estimates Mr. Niew<< Guess how interested such company would be in answering and processing an inquiry for a - say - 1000 components worth a USD500
<DocScrutinizer05>
they "earn" a maybe $200 from such sale, but have to keep several employees busy with processing it, which will cost them much much more than they could possibly earn
<DocScrutinizer05>
they also don't sell by the 1000, they sell by truckloads only
<DocScrutinizer05>
if they still had TINY on stock, it would be at least one sales unit they won't open to take out a 1000 components from it
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure eventually I will try to contact them nevertheless, but there are like 20 other more promising things to try before I do
<DocScrutinizer05>
odds are we more easily find surplus or "forgotten" stock at some supplier, from Nokia spare parts or whatever
<DocScrutinizer05>
Knowles MEAN|DONAU|SAMBO|etc would be possible to fit with tricky design, but costs us 2 (L/R) * 3|4 (PCB surfaces) * (9.6*13.6 | 11*15 | 13*18)mm^2 real estate on PCB
<Oksana>
Good night
<DocScrutinizer05>
good night Oksana
<DocScrutinizer05>
((fit with tricky design)) Knowles GRAND: 13*18mm^2
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<DocScrutinizer05>
we could also ponder http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data Sheets/Knowles Acoustics PDFs/2403-260-00089.pdf design, but same downsides apply re wasting real estate
<wpwrak>
i even made it through last year's mega-blackout almost unscathed :)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
70 1GB-RAM-PoPs scheduled to arrive at GDC on Monday. Sending a second BB-xM to GDC as well, so we might find somebody with a gap in their calendar who can rework the BB-xM PoP to test the 1GB
<DocScrutinizer05>
tentatively using BNO055 instead of BMX050. Somebody might want to compare the two chips and make sure the BNO055 has no lacking capabilities or features compared to BMX050
<kolp>
were 70 all that were available or that were affordable?
<DocScrutinizer05>
the IO voltage range of BNO055 is inferior to the BMX but still OK for us
<DocScrutinizer05>
70 were all we dared to order, until we know if they actually work the way we hope for
<DocScrutinizer05>
WOW, brand new document: November 7 ,2014 BST-BMX055-DS000-02
<DocScrutinizer05>
I so far got October 4, 2013 BST-BMX055-DS000-01
<wpwrak>
"ALL-IN-ONE WINDOWS 8.x COMPLIANT SENSOR HUB" bwahaha
<DocScrutinizer05>
right, that's why I wasn't keen to use the BNO, but when Nik already knows and even uses that chip....
<DocScrutinizer05>
my major concern is actually if the MCU and firmware in that BNO doesn't result in some of the BMX capabilities not available anymore
<wpwrak>
bmx->bno: 12 -> 14 bit accel
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<DocScrutinizer05>
allegedly
<wpwrak>
;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's a bit obscure
<DocScrutinizer05>
the DS use different terminology partially
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think the resolution of one chip accel is 1024dec LSB
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems the BNO is tailored to fit stand-alone gadgets that get connected to host via rs232 or whatever UART
<DocScrutinizer05>
while the BMX clearly expects to live on I2C. So I would check BNO IRQ features first
<wpwrak>
BNO also has I2C
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep, I know
<DocScrutinizer05>
but UART instead SPI(?)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
and it already cooks the raw data and merges it into some M$-specific(?) HID protocol
<DocScrutinizer05>
I wouldn't mind, as long as it still supports the "raw mode" of BMX
<wpwrak>
also "raw" register access seems to be multiplexed (page 0/1). that way, it needs only one i2c address.
<DocScrutinizer05>
an MCU between actor/sensor and APE is rarely a benefit
<wpwrak>
significant price difference: USD 4.76 for bmx @1000, bno is 7.86
<DocScrutinizer05>
(multiplexed) hmmmm, I hope this doesn't introduce overhead
<DocScrutinizer05>
ouch
<DocScrutinizer05>
though I wonder where you found the BNO, mouser I suppose
<DocScrutinizer05>
dk only has BMX
<DocScrutinizer05>
wait, was that dk?
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway I found only the BMX
<wpwrak>
no, that's mouser
<wpwrak>
all mouser. dk don't like the bosch :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
aaah right
<wpwrak>
(overhead) seems that the pages are 0 for data, 1 for config. so that should be friendly. (and is gentle on our crowded i2c address space)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I seem to recall same from BMX
<wpwrak>
(hidden project goal #6524: make sure every single valid i2c address addresses something ;-)
<wpwrak>
naw, bmx has three addresses: one for acces, one for gyro, and another for magnet
<DocScrutinizer05>
no problem, get a catch-all chip that kicks in when no other chip ACKs
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually even I could patch a kernel I2C device driver so it answers "OK" to every data sent to a certain bus/adress
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<DocScrutinizer05>
in this case it's particularly simple since that would be I2C#0 and #1 iirc
<DocScrutinizer05>
no other devices on those buses
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, dunno what they did on their olinuxino (what a name)
<DocScrutinizer05>
(BNO) I'm somewhat worried that this MCU "boosted" variant is tailored too much towards always-on (sensor and host) systems, and thus neglects some low power IRQ wake methods
<DocScrutinizer05>
e.g. in "features" I'm missing zero-g IRQ from accel
<DocScrutinizer05>
wich would make sense since a HMD and its user will rarely suffer free fall / drop incidents, and for sure can't do a head-parking ;-) Laptops however do and can
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<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: i can't get znc certauth to work with xchat on the n900 :(
<kerio>
did you ever try it?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry, nope
<kerio>
even getting ssl to work at all was a challenge
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<ravelo>
DocScrutinizer05: I read in the log you're still trying to use some cms for the webshop
<ravelo>
It might be quite easy, I did not know that before watching that youtube video about a wordpress installation with a special theme
<ravelo>
I hope you find someone who has time to do that
<DocScrutinizer05>
ravelo: the installation isn't the problem, it needs to be compliant with German laws, that's quite a different story than running a webshop in e.g. the USA
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<ravelo>
DocScrutinizer05: ok, I only knew about some points to avoid "Abmahnungen" (missing Impressum) for business websites. Did not know there is so much more to take in consideration.