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<CarpeOmnia> can you use this open source software for commercial applications?
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<balrog> CarpeOmnia: yes, as long as you follow the terms of the license, which may require sharing some or all of your source code
<CarpeOmnia> hey
<balrog> (Depends on the license)
<CarpeOmnia> hmmm
<CarpeOmnia> then I think I'll stick with the proprietary software
<CarpeOmnia> still I bet this makes for a great teaching tool
<balrog> CarpeOmnia: read the license for the specific software you want to use. Much free and open source software is under a so-called "permissive" license, which only requires attribution to the author
<balrog> There are significant online resources on this already and I won't do this research for you :)
<CarpeOmnia> Yeah, I will just wanted to get a quick overview of the terms
<CarpeOmnia> lol, I love doing research, that's all I do
<lain> hrm
<CarpeOmnia> so if you could just do this one little piece for me
<CarpeOmnia> jk
<CarpeOmnia> wtf
<CarpeOmnia> who are you?
<lain> CarpeOmnia: when you say "for commercial applications" do you mean using the code as part of a piece of commercial software, or do you mean using the open-source software to work on commercial products (but not using the open-source code in your own product)?
<balrog> There's that part too, which I missed :)
<balrog> And in this care is pretty important
<CarpeOmnia> is your real name lain?
<CarpeOmnia> do you know me?
<CarpeOmnia> do I know you?
<balrog> Is yours CarpeOmnia?
<lain> CarpeOmnia: I go by lain irl, but it's not my legal name [yet?]
<balrog> Do I know you?
<lain> CarpeOmnia: I don't know if I know you :P
<CarpeOmnia> omg
<CarpeOmnia> it is me
<CarpeOmnia> wow...
<lain> wat
<CarpeOmnia> that is really strange
<CarpeOmnia> I go by lain irl, but it's not my legal name [yet?]
<CarpeOmnia> you must be... 16? 17?
<balrog> CarpeOmnia: don't be weird
<lain> CarpeOmnia: 30
<CarpeOmnia> sorry... but this is actually quite weird
<CarpeOmnia> I've never met another lain
<lain> oic
<CarpeOmnia> you know what that name means?
<CarpeOmnia> what does that name mean to you?
<lain> well for me it started as a nickname, because my friends say I resemble Lain from Serial Experiments: Lain :P
<CarpeOmnia> are you a sociopath? sorry... everything else of importance just went out the window
<qu1j0t3> ........
<CarpeOmnia> yep that's how it started with me
<CarpeOmnia> I can't imagine how a 30 year old would get it though
* lain is a lil lost as to what's going on :P
<CarpeOmnia> but it's such an old series... I don't know how at 16 or 17 year old would have even heard of it
<lain> I got the nickname back in high school
<lain> it stuck :P
<CarpeOmnia> I'm sorry I need to talk to you in private chat
<lain> anyway to wrap up what I was saying: what balrog said earlier about open source licenses generally applies to using the open code in your own software. if you're just using the open-source software to do work, which you then sell, that's another matter entirely and is almost always okay. but the same basic rule applies: check the license
<CarpeOmnia> creative commons baby!
<balrog> Yep, most licenses don't apply if you are using the software to compile code with them. However the license of included libraries may definitely apply
<CarpeOmnia> you don't have to tell me, I was kidding about asking for you to actually research it for me
<balrog> Creative Commons doesn't make all much sense for code...
<CarpeOmnia> well here's the thing
<CarpeOmnia> the software
<CarpeOmnia> it uses VHDL?
<balrog> What do you mean?
<CarpeOmnia> are some of the libraries included part of openfpga
<balrog> I think there are some as part of yosys but I'm not 100% sure
<CarpeOmnia> just because... VHDL is technically a programming language
<balrog> But those are Verilog. Not VHDL
<balrog> I don't know of a working VHDL workflow that can target hardware, yet.
<CarpeOmnia> ah I see
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<rqou> whitequark i see you're having lots of fun playing with your cat
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<whitequark> rqou: well it's an unexpectedly smart cat
<rqou> everybody says that about their cat :P
* rqou wants a cat but can't in the current living situation
<rqou> oh whitequark: i have some questions about your opinions regarding cross-compiling
<rqou> what is the proper way to get pkg-config to get out of my way and use "this set of binaries i have right here in this directory"
<whitequark> rqou: write the appropriate .pc file and drop it into PKG_CONFIG_PATH
<rqou> but what if my system _also_ has that package?
<rqou> can pkg-config accidentally pick up the wrong one?
<rqou> context: I'm finally fixing this pile of shit: https://github.com/rqou/fpgatools-nightlies-glue
<rqou> also pkg-config files have absolute paths in them
<rqou> that doesn't work for what i'm doing
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<rqou> ah, should I be using PKG_CONFIG_SYSROOT_DIR?
<rqou> i guess i should set up a proper sysroot then?
<rqou> not a pile of "herp derp, stuff is in directories i guess"
<awygle> whitequark: i am interested in your cat-research results, it may affect how i raise my cat
<cyrozap> Oh, wow, sigrok's protocol decoding is a _lot_ faster thank I remember
<rqou> oh azonenberg you're back from your SAR training?
<azonenberg> It started out as training, got an actual search halfway through lol
<rqou> lol
<rqou> did you open my package? :P
<azonenberg> Yes, she said the candy pods were super cute
<rqou> did you see the "bonus" items? :P :P
<azonenberg> Yes, lol
<rqou> now you can stick it on all your coworkers' shitty designs
<azonenberg> Lol
<azonenberg> i was gonna say stick it on customer boards i tore to shreds :p
<rqou> or that
<rqou> context for everybody else: I went to china and bought a pack of those shady-looking "QC passed" stickers
<pie__> lmao
<pie__> cross out the p
<rqou> lool
<rqou> btw if anybody wants a bunch of QC passed stickers, send me a self-addressed stamped envelope and i'll send you some
<balrog> rqou: the silver ones?
<pie__> rqou, if you autograph them first
<rqou> similar to those
<rqou> except these are round
<balrog> ah ok
<rqou> or you can meet me in person and i'll give you some as well
<rqou> gotta pass all the QC :P
<pie__> rqou, out local QC dealer
<pie__> *our
<rqou> i also have some less-useless "ESD sensitive" stickers
<pie__> Extremelt Sexual Discharge or something?
<rqou> lol pie__
<rqou> what is wrong with you? :P
<pie__> right now? everything xD
<rqou> so azonenberg do the coolrunner parts look legit or not?
<rqou> seemed legit to me, but you're probably more familiar with the parts