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rqou >
azonenberg you actually use stencils?
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rqou >
btw is anybody here willing to help infect my yavhdl project with a "real" build system?
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rqou >
it currently operates on the "f*ck it" build system
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azonenberg >
rqou: you kidding? i use stencils for everything
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azonenberg >
ever tried making a board full of QFNs and 0402 passives without one?
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rqou >
i've always done everything by hand
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rqou >
i've done QFN by hand but never done BGA
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azonenberg >
stencils make everything massively easier
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azonenberg >
i can, but choose not to, do bga without a stencil
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azonenberg >
just a q-tip, flux, and oven or hot air
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rqou >
i've always found dealing with solder paste to be expensive and messy
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azonenberg >
expensive??? it's like $10 for syringe that lasts dozens of boards
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cr1901_modern >
You also need a fridge :)
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rqou >
doesn't it need refrigerated shipping?
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azonenberg >
In theory
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cr1901_modern >
I'm too cheapass to do the toaster oven thing... but yes, 0402 by hand takes a while for me. I only learned how to do SMD parts
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azonenberg >
But i've always stored mine without any special fluff
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cr1901_modern >
erm, a few months ago
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azonenberg >
in the garage
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azonenberg >
and throw it away when it starts to change consistency
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azonenberg >
in the peak of summer i might consider fridging it, maybe
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azonenberg >
re messy...
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azonenberg >
just squirt a tiny line across the stencil
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azonenberg >
use an old credit card or something to squeegee it across
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azonenberg >
throw out whatever you dont use from that blob
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azonenberg >
its so cheap i dont care about saving the residue
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azonenberg >
including shipping i probably spend $20 a year on paste, if that
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azonenberg >
considering the comparator on the board i just assembled is $20...
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azonenberg >
it's an insignificant fraction of my total projects budget
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rqou >
hrm i just remember a bunch of friends mentioned they had tons of annoyingness shipping solder paste
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azonenberg >
Digikey will try to send it next-day in a refrigerated shipper wit han ice pack and everything
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azonenberg >
But you can also get it from oshstencils
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azonenberg >
they will do i think 2-day shipping and not fridge it
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azonenberg >
there's a small extra cost but if you combine that with shipping for your stencil its pretty insignificant
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cr1901_modern >
How much extra is oshstencils in general?
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rqou >
hrmm, i'll have to look into that
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rqou >
one of my friends had a fun horror story of ordering solder paste from a distributor that insisted on shipping it refrigerated and then fat-fingering the zip code at the same time :P
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rqou >
i really need to obtain a "for chemicals" fridge
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rqou >
or maybe an entire chem lab area
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lain >
food is just chemicals you can eat
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rqou >
or maybe an actual job + house? :P
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azonenberg >
rqou: lol
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cyrozap >
rqou: I have a kinda-working Makefile...
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cyrozap >
Why TF is your test.py calling g++?
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cyrozap >
Your build system is f'd up :P
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cyrozap >
rqou: Sent you a PR
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cyrozap >
Now you can just run "make" and only changed files (and their dependent targets) will be rebuilt
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cyrozap >
Also, now you can use "scan-build"
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cyrozap >
Actually, scan-build seems to barf
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cyrozap >
Oh, it's because the standard isn't specified
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rqou >
thanks cyrozap
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rqou >
also, if you have really strong opinions about the "test harness" you can fix that too :P
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rqou >
despite being able to "write code" i'm not that great at "software engineering"
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lain >
code monkey!
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nats` >
azonenberg we need to make a test plan
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nats` >
I have what needed at home to test against my tektronix scope
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nats` >
so I need greenpak stuff and we can test plan :)
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nats` >
I'm still working on sampling part
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nats` >
but with the tektronix part I'll have a value to check against
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azonenberg >
nats`: my pmod for the greenpak devkit is still en route from oshpark
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nats` >
what should I do so ?
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azonenberg >
I'm about to go out for a hike so i dont have too much time to think about it :p
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azonenberg >
Will figure out a plan in the evening
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nats` >
if my help is not needed on the topic I have fuck ton of things to do :)
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nats` >
quick question does PCIE x2 exists ?
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nats` >
I was pretty sure pcie was 1 4 8 16
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azonenberg >
i have never seen x2
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azonenberg >
But i dont know if the protocol allows it
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nats` >
seems yes but really uncommon
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rqou >
cyrozap: not sure if you saw this on GitHub, but it'd be nice if you could fix the classic ".h dependency tracking" issue in the makefile
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