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<lain> rqou: now test restore it and check it against the originals :P
<rqou> yeah no that's going to take forever :P
<rqou> anyways, i've been trying to figure out why it's now my turn to have comcast crapping out in the middle of the day
<rqou> and afaik none of the telco demarcs in our apartment block are secured at all
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<rqou> there's also a coax going somewhere where i can't tell where it's going, so that's fun
<rqou> at least i figured out why our SNR is so bad
<rqou> (even when it's working)
<rqou> it turns our our CM is only getting 1/8 of the signal coming from the drop
<rqou> azonenberg, lain: what is a security? :P https://goo.gl/photos/RNUU41micXdWcXAY9
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<cyrozap> rqou: More like "What is signal integrity and why would anyone care about it?"
<rqou> whatever, this is POTS; it works over wet string :P
<cyrozap> I'm thinking more about the crosstalk between all those untwisted pairs
<rqou> again, this is POTS :P
<rqou> oh are you looking at the A_{PDSLAM} label?
<rqou> that's not live :P
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<rqou> at least this kinda explains why AT&T can't give us any more than 6mbps over their shitty dsl
<rqou> this is the comcast demarc: https://goo.gl/photos/Ua2Wp3s4fcGeopdo9
<rqou> cyrozap: also at least in Apt. A none of the POTS is live either
<rqou> amongst millennials, only weird people who live on islands with unreliable power (azonenberg :P ) even use POTS anymore
<cyrozap> rqou: The TWC (err, Spectrum) demarc at my apartment is literally in a hole in my closet wall, and they give you the option to split it out to all the cable jacks in the apartment. Since I don't have cable TV, I just connected the cable they gave me to the cable that goes straight to my modem. Unfortunately, I can't quite get up to my 300 Mbps maximum thanks to either my modem's (or maybe the CMTS's)
<cyrozap> bufferbloat issue or the attenuation in the cable.
<rqou> heh we don't even have 300mbps
<rqou> we get up to about 100mbps
<cyrozap> I know, I know, "Poor cyrozap, he only gets 220-250 Mbps instead of 300 Mbps." :P
<rqou> the way the cable works in our apartment is that the Comcast cable comes into the wiring/junk closet under the stairs
<rqou> it goes into a 4-way splitter
<rqou> two go to apt b and c
<rqou> one goes somewhere I couldn't find
<rqou> and the last one goes upstairs near our fire escape
<rqou> then that goes into a 2-way splitter
<rqou> one end goes back downstairs and enters the living room where we have a cable TV for some reason even though it doesn't get watched
<rqou> the other end goes into my room and then becomes too short
<rqou> so then it goes into a coupler and another RG6
<rqou> then it goes under the door of my room, is taped around the doorframe, and then finally into the cable modem
<rqou> for a final power of about -12dbmV and a SNR of about 30-32dB
<rqou> aka "just barely works"
<cyrozap> rqou: If you want to find the other end of that cable, attach an SDR to the end you know the location of, transmit a bunch of noise, and then roam around with a second SDR until you see the signal coming out the other end.
<rqou> or just unplug it and see which neighbor complains? :P
<cyrozap> Oh, it's connected. I thought you were talking about a cable that might be leaking RF or something.
<rqou> it might be connected, I don't know
<rqou> but if you unplug it and nobody complains, it probably wasn't connected :P
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<rqou> although this heuristic doesn't actually work too well here because we don't even know our neighbors :P
<rqou> including where we haven't been approached regarding our "colorful" wifi ssids :P
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<qu1j0t3> is it really so clear who they belong to though?
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<mithro> Does anyone have a recommendation for a high pin count (~150 IOs), low cost, FPGA/CPLD for routing ~100MHz signals
<mithro> A digikey search seems to suggest a MachXO3
<dingbat> If you're willing to work with lattice tools, yes. Otherwise, a smaller Artix 7, a middling Spartan 6/7, or a middling MAX 10
<dingbat> mithro: how low cost is low cost?
<mithro> dingbat: under $10 USD
<dingbat> mithro: In quantities of 1 or quantities of 1k?
<mithro> dingbat: quantities of about ~250
<dingbat> An Altera Max V might work for you, but yes, in generally, Lattice parts are going to be cheaper
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<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened issue #72: mingw/Windows: some combination of build tools causes warnings about -fPIC https://git.io/vyOfI
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<rqou> digshadow: before i forget/mess up again, is mtvre going to be tomorrow, next week, or the week after next?
<digshadow> rqou: in one week
<digshadow> I was trying to get confirmation on second talk
<rqou> alright
<digshadow> but I should just send out announcement
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<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou commented on issue #69: Hmm, something else is broken because it definitely isn't waiting 10 seconds: https://goo.gl/photos/hLBTQMgj5PXCjBGNA https://git.io/vyO3d
<azonenberg> rqou: ping
<rqou> er, what?
<azonenberg> Try adding a print statement to src/gpdevboard/utils.cpp:88
<azonenberg> see how many times it's being hit
<azonenberg> and if there's a visible delay between prints
<rqou> right, i'll do that in a bit
<azonenberg> its possible something funky is happening elsewhere in the driver stack?
<rqou> going to mess around with macos first
<rqou> it's quite possible; windows and drivers are always fun
<azonenberg> Ok i'm about to get some sleep
<azonenberg> Comment on the issue with your findings
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<nats`> azonenberg board sent to fab :)
<nats`> and I'm prototyping a cheap GHz BW sampler for test purpose at first we will see how I can handle a finished one :)
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened pull request #73: contrib: Add a codeless kext to make gp4prog work on macOS (master...macos) https://git.io/vyORU
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<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened issue #74: build system: Make "distclean" target work https://git.io/vyOut
<openfpga-github> [logtools] rqou opened pull request #3: Windows fixes (master...rqou) https://git.io/vyOz6
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<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark closed issue #74: build system: Make "distclean" target work https://git.io/vyOut
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark commented on issue #74: (also, `git clean` is the command you should use instead of doing that manually anyway.) https://git.io/vyO2S
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened pull request #75: Minor fixes for macOS and Windows (master...minor-fixes) https://git.io/vyOa4
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened issue #76: Find a volunteer to pay the Apple tax https://git.io/vyOaX
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyOVC
<openfpga-github> openfpga/master fd53445 Robert Ou: gpdevboard: Don't try to detach kernel driver on Windows or macOS...
<openfpga-github> openfpga/master 06ad0a9 Robert Ou: gp4prog: Use _getch rather than termios on Windows...
<openfpga-github> openfpga/master a230023 Robert Ou: gp4prog: Include <cstdlib>...
<openfpga-bb> build #79 of openfpga is complete: Failure [failed test_openfpga_normal] Build details are at https://openfpga-dashboard.antikernel.net/builders/openfpga/builds/79 blamelist: Robert Ou <rqou@robertou.com>
<openfpga-bb> build #80 of openfpga is complete: Failure [failed test_openfpga_normal] Build details are at https://openfpga-dashboard.antikernel.net/builders/openfpga/builds/80 blamelist: whitequark <whitequark@whitequark.org>, Robert Ou <rqou@robertou.com>
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<openfpga-github> [logtools] whitequark closed pull request #3: Windows fixes (master...rqou) https://git.io/vyOz6
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou commented on issue #70: Fixed by fd534451a681863bb00bc87417a008d1577e1023 https://git.io/vysR7
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<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened pull request #77: gpdevboard: Don't exceed the usleep limit on certain platforms (master...minor-fixes) https://git.io/vysuR
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou opened issue #78: Consider vendoring vpi_user.h https://git.io/vyszt
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark closed pull request #77: gpdevboard: Don't exceed the usleep limit on certain platforms (master...minor-fixes) https://git.io/vysuR
<openfpga-bb> build #81 of openfpga is complete: Failure [failed test_openfpga_normal] Build details are at https://openfpga-dashboard.antikernel.net/builders/openfpga/builds/81 blamelist: Robert Ou <rqou@robertou.com>
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vysgw
<openfpga-github> openfpga/master 28eba54 Robert Ou: Updated to latest logtools
<openfpga-bb> build #82 of openfpga is complete: Failure [failed test_openfpga_normal] Build details are at https://openfpga-dashboard.antikernel.net/builders/openfpga/builds/82 blamelist: Robert Ou <rqou@robertou.com>
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark commented on issue #78: Well gpcosim is not useful without iverilog, is it? https://git.io/vys2Y
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] rqou commented on issue #78: Theoretically you should be able to use another Verilog simulator along with gpcosim (e.g. a proprietary one). Not sure why exactly you would do that, but... https://git.io/vys2W
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<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark commented on issue #78: vpi_user.h's license (GPLv2+) is not compatible with openfpga's (LGPLv2.1). https://github.com/azonenberg/openfpga/issues/78#issuecomment-283510947
<openfpga-github> [openfpga] whitequark commented on issue #78: vpi_user.h's license (GPLv2+) is not compatible with openfpga's (LGPLv2.1). https://github.com/azonenberg/openfpga/issues/78#issuecomment-283510947
<azonenberg> rqou, whitequark: Prtoper solution i think is to just make gpcosim optional if vpi_user.h isn't found
<azonenberg> Having the generated gpcosim binary be covered by GPL is unavoidable for the short term, unless we can find another source for the VPI api
<azonenberg> I never fully implemented gpcosim anyway so its not a big deal
<rqou> yeah right now the autobuilds just comment it out
<azonenberg> rqou: Re the usleep limit
<azonenberg> is it working on windows now? :p
<rqou> presumably you can do the "two independent people" technique and scrub the ieee1364 vpi_user.h in annex g
<rqou> yeah it work on windows now
<openfpga-github> [yosys] azonenberg pushed 22 new commits to master: https://git.io/vys2x
<openfpga-github> yosys/master 5f1d0b1 Clifford Wolf: Add $live and $fair cell types, add support for s_eventually keyword
<openfpga-github> yosys/master 6d7a77d Johann Klammer: Did as you requested, /but/......
<openfpga-github> yosys/master 06df86a Johann Klammer: add options for edif flavors...
<rqou> anyways, who here has _NOT_ opened IEEE1364 before and wants to participate in Yet Another Attempt to liberate vpi_user.h? :P