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whitequark >
azonenberg: so bizarre
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whitequark >
rqou: question. why does HK have signs in public toilets that mandate that no water be taken from them?
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azonenberg_hk >
whitequark: the sinks or the toilet itself
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whitequark >
fittingly illustrated with a guy filling an aquarium (?) from a hose coming to flush tank (?!)
02:09
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azonenberg_hk >
possible the handwashing water is not of drinking quality?
02:09
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whitequark >
azonenberg_hk: flush tank or fire hydrant
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<
whitequark >
the latter, I understand
02:09
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whitequark >
well it seems implied that it's legal to drink it on the premises?
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azonenberg_hk >
my guess is, the toilets are fed by an unmetered source and/or the city pays the bill for them
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azonenberg_hk >
and that water was supplied with a clause that it only be used for sanitary purposes at that location
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whitequark >
could be
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pie_ >
im not sure i would dring tap water from a foreign country without consulting something about whether said tap water is generally drinkable
02:13
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pie_ >
though of course youd expect civilised places to have drinkable tpa water
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azonenberg_hk >
pie_: well i've avoided the tap water here
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qu1j0t3 >
yes, pie_ that's always wise, if in doubt.
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whitequark >
pie_: hk definitely has drinkable tap water
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azonenberg_hk >
as well as raw vegetables
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pie_ >
whitequark, ok
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azonenberg_hk >
and most foods that are not very heavily cooked
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<
whitequark >
I personally wouldn't drink tap water in a public toilet anywhere though
02:14
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azonenberg_hk >
this may or may not have something to do with the fact that i'm the only one of my group of 3 who has not caught a stomach bug at some point during the trip
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whitequark >
azonenberg_hk: wait really?
02:14
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azonenberg_hk >
whitequark: Yes
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azonenberg_hk >
My other two coworkers both missed at least one day of work
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azonenberg_hk >
spending it vomiting in their hotel rooms
02:15
<
whitequark >
hm, I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables and never had any trouble for it
02:15
<
whitequark >
I got it all from "wellcome" though
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azonenberg_hk >
never figured out what they got it from
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whitequark >
maybe they have good QA?
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pie_ >
on an unrelated note if you guys like puzzles imo the witness is a gift to humanity as a game
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azonenberg_hk >
whitequark: but in any country
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azonenberg_hk >
drinking bathroom water is never a great idea
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azonenberg_hk >
especially from the toilet tank itself :p
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pie_ >
psh, have you tried?
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azonenberg_hk >
somebody seems to think its a good idea
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pie_ >
sorry for crap vid
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pie_ >
look, free mints!
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azonenberg_hk >
no vid now
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whitequark >
well cats do it and they stay alive
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whitequark >
makes u think
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qu1j0t3 >
now look what you've done
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azonenberg_hk >
whitequark: So now we can look forward to firefox using 5x as much ram as it does today?
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azonenberg_hk >
great
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azonenberg_hk >
personally i dont trust browser sandboxing or care all that much about inter-tab isolation
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azonenberg_hk >
my online banking runs in a separate VM with a separate kernel from my social media
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azonenberg_hk >
which is isolated from my mail clinet
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azonenberg_hk >
which is isolated from IRC/IM
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azonenberg_hk >
if my github tab manages to pwn my digikey tab its not the end of the world
03:29
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azonenberg_hk >
annoying, sure
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azonenberg_hk >
but not catastrophic
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whitequark >
I actually expect it to use less RAM because it could contain the leaks
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whitequark >
and recycle the processes when closing tabsl
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azonenberg_hk >
Oh?>
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azonenberg_hk >
I expect you will have each tab leaking at once
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azonenberg_hk >
so now you have the same leak in five long-lived tabs = 5x leak rate
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azonenberg_hk >
as long as they dont pull a chrome and try to show you every tab at once in the top bar
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azonenberg_hk >
that scales very poorly beyond about ten or twenty open tabs
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azonenberg_hk >
i cant see titles or anything
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azonenberg_hk >
When you have a couple hundred its impossible
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azonenberg_hk >
normally i try to keep browser windows under 100 but sometimes during a research session it creeps up
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pie_ >
_a_ research session
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azonenberg_hk >
I have had browser windows with 200+ tabs in them
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azonenberg_hk >
as i start going off on tangents researching various approaches to a problem
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azonenberg_hk >
marking articles to read later
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azonenberg_hk >
then i find a solution and dont remember to close the avenues i didnt follow up
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cr1901_modern1 >
I wish graphical branching undo/history managers were a thing
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mtp >
cr1901_modern1, emacs undo-tree package
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mtp >
oh, web browsers? you're fucked,
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rqou >
whitequark, azonenberg_hk: i'm already running ff with e10s force-enabled
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rqou >
it doesn't seem to be substantially better or worse
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rqou >
except that with e10s somehow pdf.js will hang the browser while loading
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rqou >
also, my parents always boil the tap water in HK and consider it non-potable before boiling even if it officially is supposed to be
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rqou >
in the past tap water needed to be boiled in both the mainland and in HK
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rqou >
and i think you still need to boil tap water in the mainland
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rqou >
fruits in vegetables in HK have been fine for me in the past
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rqou >
mainland is more variable
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whitequark >
rqou: I don't drink tap water in HK mostly because the taste is utterly disgusting
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whitequark >
just bought an "air pot" today (why is it an air pot anyway)
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rqou >
hmm not sure exactly what that is
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whitequark >
one of those kettles which keep water at a preset temp and dispense it through a nozzle
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azonenberg_hk >
rqou: I don't use pdf.js
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azonenberg_hk >
i disable it in all my browsers
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azonenberg_hk >
if i want a pdf i download and use a standalone viewer that isn't running in an interpreted language and actually renders correctly
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azonenberg_hk >
without taking so long i can see each line in a drawing or row of text appearing over time
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rqou >
yeah idk why PDF.js still has rendering issues
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azonenberg_hk >
between speed and display issues i just dont use it
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azonenberg_hk >
it's slower and less accurate than qpdfview, evince, etc
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rqou >
I wonder if someone has tried evince.js or similar
08:29
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rqou >
using emscripten
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rqou >
PDF.js sounded like a good idea
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rqou >
yeah, afaik PDF.js predates asm.js
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rqou >
so it's "native" JavaScript
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rqou >
I'm more disappointed in shumway
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rqou >
(the Flash replacement)
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rqou >
it basically only works on annoying ads and nothing else
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azonenberg_hk >
Well if at all possible
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azonenberg_hk >
i just block js globally
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azonenberg_hk >
we need more sites that have navigation usable without js
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rqou >
hey, js is now the most portable programming language
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rqou >
like what Java was supposed to be
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whitequark >
balrog: just got my apple touchpad
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whitequark >
lol solvespace is utterly unusable with it
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azonenberg_hk >
rqou: because making menus with HTML+CSS is so hard
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rqou >
yes, so you do them with an unsigned Java applet instead :P
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azonenberg_hk >
screw java, go full on native code in the web page
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rqou >
that's even better :P
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rqou >
mark it safe for scripting and keep changing clsid to avoid killbits :P
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azonenberg_hk >
lol
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azonenberg_hk >
And sign it with a cert from realtek because everyone trusts that name
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azonenberg_hk >
Or is self-signed better?
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rqou >
sign it with a factored Microsoft active directory cert that is missing EKU :P
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azonenberg_hk >
lool
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cr1901_modern1 >
EKU?
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azonenberg_hk >
Wooo
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azonenberg_hk >
Almost outta here
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rqou >
cr1901_modern1: extended key usage
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rqou >
it says things like "not allowed for code signing"
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rqou >
azonenberg_hk: not enjoying HK? :P
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azonenberg_hk >
rqou: more like, not enjoying being away from my lab etc
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rqou >
just move the lab to HK :P
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rqou >
probably much easier with a mainland visa
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azonenberg_hk >
yeeah no way
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azonenberg_hk >
if 95% of the population of HK moved to mainland and they changed lots of other things
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azonenberg_hk >
maaaaybe :p
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rqou >
no, I meant that a mainland visa makes getting equipment easier
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azonenberg_hk >
rqou: the population density of HK is roughly 20x higher than where i live now
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azonenberg_hk >
And i consider THAT too dense
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azonenberg_hk >
(~6000 vs ~300 per km^2 iirc)
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rqou >
be like my grandfather and live in Tuen Mun :P
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rqou >
apparently the story of why my grandparents lived there is pretty great
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rqou >
they used to live in Tsing Yi
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rqou >
then they visited my parents in the US
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rqou >
and decided that they wanted a large house like that too
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rqou >
but the only place this size of house/apartment was affordable at the time was Tuen Mun
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rqou >
(now it's "nowhere" :P )
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rqou >
not sure if HK or the SF bay area are worse for housing at this point
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azonenberg_hk >
NYC isnt exactly great either
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azonenberg_hk >
Or seattle, which is why i live outside the city
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azonenberg_hk >
There are people paying 3k/mo for a 1-2br apartment in seattle
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azonenberg_hk >
where i am, it's quite a bit less for a full house
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azonenberg_hk >
On topic... this was a pretty productive few weeks of coding after hours
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azonenberg_hk >
On the flight home i'll try and finish the first round of the greenpak SPI core, missing a few features but usable
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azonenberg_hk >
then over xmas i have to test all of the new code i wrote that's never been tried in hardware :p
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rqou >
I actually have hardware with me
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rqou >
probably won't have time to run tests till CCC though
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rqou >
also, no oscilloscope
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azonenberg_hk >
well the other bit is
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azonenberg_hk >
i want to write hardware-in-loop unit tests
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azonenberg_hk >
Which will take time
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azonenberg_hk >
As well as making HiL tests for all of the existing IP blocks i support
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azonenberg_hk >
I want this to be a solid, stable, usable tool suite
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rqou >
anyways, CCC is likely to become a hackathon of some kind
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rqou >
btw anybody here going to be in Frankfurt tomorrow or Berlin the day after that?
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rqou >
lots of likely-illegal green DPSS lasers being sold by hawkers here
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nats` >
where are you ? :)
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rqou >
Eiffel tower
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nats` >
ahh sure :D
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rqou >
I suppose China churns out DPSS laser pointers so quickly that crackdowns are ineffective?
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rqou >
offtopic: anyone in the SF bay area have a laser power meter?
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Lord_Nightmare >
rqou: i thought dpss green lasers were legal if they are <5mw power AND they have an IR filter on the output to prevent eye damage?
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Lord_Nightmare >
or is that only in the usa
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Lord_Nightmare >
>5mw power lasers in the usa need crazy extra stuff like safety interlocks with a key, and other stuff
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azonenberg_hk >
Lord_Nightmare: i know most dpss green lasers in the us, esp cheaper brands, leak badly
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azonenberg_hk >
dont know how much of that is legal though
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