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<digshadow-s> rqou: SIM cards are cool
<digshadow-s> I actually have a pile of security realted chips I want to go through and do low res images
<rqou> especially if you're name is karsten nohl? :P
<digshadow-s> like those key fob things
<digshadow-s> ha
<digshadow-s> I actually did a bunch of x-rays a whlie back
<digshadow-s> FWIW and posted them
<digshadow-s> I actually do have a bunch of SIM card images already
<digshadow-s> but I didn't post them due to takedown concerns
<digshadow-s> but I might switch more to an ask for forgiveness model and push them out
<rqou> i assume mostly US sims like AT&T/VZW/Tmobile?
<digshadow-s> yeah, but also some touchier ones
<digshadow-s> I'll probably release the phone ones and keep the other ones hidden
<digshadow-s> (ex: clipper card for tranist)
<rqou> payment terminal SAMs? :P
<digshadow-s> which is a pay card
<rqou> clipper card is desfire, isn't it?
<rqou> i thought that was well known?
<digshadow-s> depends on the version
<digshadow-s> I have a few die shots
<digshadow-s> had discussion with karston or someone a while back about it
<digshadow-s> yubikey
<digshadow-s> thats what those are called
<digshadow-s> I had three variants
<digshadow-s> now I can only find two of them
<digshadow-s> which is basically what stalled it
<rqou> yubikey is pretty well known to be nxp jcop
<digshadow-s> sure
<digshadow-s> but still would be fun
<rqou> yeah definitely
<rqou> i don't really get the secure uC vendors' paranoia
<rqou> why does everything have to be sooper sekrit?
<digshadow-s> in theory less docs raises barrier to entry
<digshadow-s> to deter attackers
<digshadow-s> but we had a long convo at work about that sort of stuff
<digshadow-s> and someone of it is definitely related to protecting their IP
<digshadow-s> but presented as it being for security
<rqou> what's so secret about their IP? DPA resistance?
<digshadow-s> no, they are just afraid of people copying it
<digshadow-s> or producing compatible products
<digshadow-s> if more docs were availible
<digshadow-s> yup :)
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<digshadow-s> just to be clear, this isn't "can't", it just makes it a lot harder
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<rqou> offtopic: apparently lists.uclibc.org and/or osuosl.org managed to HSTS footgun themselves :P
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<rqou> azonenberg_hk: why is your ip address (165.202.4.153) owned by clp electric power?
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<whitequark> azonenberg: in a plane finally.
<whitequark> so expect me in ~9 hours
<whitequark> in HK
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<lain> I don't think he can see that account while he's in HK
<pie_> Learn Complex Analysis in 21 Hours
<pie_> :I
<pointfree> carl0s, eric_j: Do you know where I would find the full signal names that can be used when writing constraints/directives in PSoC Creator? The .rpt file wasn't much help yet.
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<whitequark> lain: I'm not sending a PM, just highlighting him
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<rqou> offtopic: apparently firefox gained the ability to render vertical text (mongolian/manchu script) a while back
<rqou> it doesn't just render as replacement characters anymore :P
<rqou> you get pretty funky text highlighting too
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<pie_> heh
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<rqou> digshadow-s: got myself some unobtainium: https://goo.gl/photos/eZ7VyEqeZRNHC8eN7
<rqou> are there die pictures of this chip already?
<rqou> the internet claims it has been in "mid-2007"
<qu1j0t3> what is it?
* qu1j0t3 hopes his ignorance will be excused
<rqou> votrax SC-01-A speech synthesizer IC, famously used in Qbert
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