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<jenrzzz>
well, it sort of depends
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<dyreshark>
also note that if you don't end up using <not-intuitive lang> for anything beyond pet projects, it can teach you new ways to think about problems, which may make your code in <used lang> better
<mordof>
dyreshark: always true
<jenrzzz>
yeah definitely
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<jenrzzz>
what does this do? (line 311)
<jenrzzz>
return $ LispWFunc $ LispFunc closure pnames body
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<dyreshark>
it constructs a LispFunc with the args (closure, pnames, body), then constructs a LispWFunc from the LispFunc, and "returns" it (i.e. wraps it up inside of what i assume is IO)
<dyreshark>
$ says "evaluate what's on the right first, then pass the result into the thing on the left
<dyreshark>
"
<jenrzzz>
oh cool
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<jenrzzz>
the most frustrating thing about learning new syntax for me is how useless google is at answering “what does this symbol do"
<dyreshark>
you can search it for lots of functions. if it's an operator, just enclose it in parens.
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<dyreshark>
like ($)
<dyreshark>
mordof: thank you :)
<jenrzzz>
i want to do this for any language
<mordof>
dyreshark: searching for $ worked fine on its own. maybe they updated it?
<dyreshark>
oooh, that's nice
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<benzrf>
dyreshark: parsect actually
<benzrf>
not I
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<benzrf>
*IO
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<dyreshark>
what benzrf said. :P
<benzrf>
i assume ParsecT over Identity since i didnt explicitly use anything
<benzrf>
monads, bitch
<benzrf>
mordof: in haskell return is just a function
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<benzrf>
the thing is, there is a certain syntactic sugar for using monads in what looks like an imperative fashion
<benzrf>
and given the type of 'return' , it usually shows up where return would in an imperative program
<benzrf>
so it got named that
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<benzrf>
which is unfortunate
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<mordof>
ah
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<benzrf>
i.e.
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<benzrf>
getName = do
<benzrf>
print "What's your first name?"
<benzrf>
first <- getLine
<benzrf>
print "What's your LastWhisper name?"
<benzrf>
-- oops i meant last
<benzrf>
last<- getLine
<benzrf>
return (Name first last)
<benzrf>
that's actually a function
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<benzrf>
but it looks like return would from a function
<benzrf>
so they named it that
<benzrf>
resulting in mild confusion in millions
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<torresga>
what language is that benzrf
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<dyreshark>
speaking of monads and the like, don't feel bad if you don't understand monads/a lot of code when you just start out. lots of parts of the language play together to make for really clear/concise code, but only when you understand what's going on :p
<benzrf>
the thing about haskell is that many of its concepts are more abstract and less amenable to analogy
<torresga>
oooh nice
<benzrf>
in i.e. ruby, you can compare an object to something that understand commands and questions
<torresga>
theres been a lot of haskell talk going on in here
<benzrf>
then you can use that intuition until you actually understand t
<benzrf>
*it
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<benzrf>
but in haskell, that kind of analogy tends to be less useful
<benzrf>
so you just have to use it in semi-understanding until it clicks
<benzrf>
well
<benzrf>
debatably
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<benzrf>
the main reason monads are so well-known in relation to haskell is because doing I/O and any other kind of side effectual action is done with monads
<benzrf>
so they immediately appear as an obstacle
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<benzrf>
and then people try to learn them first so that they can start with hello world instead of fib
* alpha123
nearly never uses a mouse when he's on linux
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<wallerdev>
i do do some selecting with the keyboard for what its worth
<benzrf>
hey
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<benzrf>
wait nvm
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<shevy>
we are all ruby masters
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<alpha123>
wallerdev: If you use vim, learn about text objects and a few tricks, you'll select stuff much faster than with the mouse
<wallerdev>
eh
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<wallerdev>
i know most of the text selection tricks for emacs
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<benzrf>
hey
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<wallerdev>
but i just prefer using a mouse a lot of the time if i need to look around a file for some code i can get that momentum scrolling going and grab the text i need wherever it is haha
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<benzrf>
i'm about to write a class that implements behavior on top of data fetched from a DB
<wallerdev>
i used emacs for awhile but use textmate mostly now
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<benzrf>
should i:
<wallerdev>
and vim if im sshing somewhere
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<benzrf>
1. bite the bullet and use some dumb db-to-class library
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<alpha123>
benzrf: DataMapper.
<benzrf>
2. store the row as a hash in the class and reference the fields i want, asssuming they're there
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<benzrf>
3. keep an attr_accessor list corresponding to the rows
<benzrf>
*cols
<benzrf>
alpha123: :(
<terrellt>
wallerdev: I dunno man. ci" has changed my life.
<alpha123>
benzrf: DataMapper is awesome if you manage to work your way around occasion bizarre behavior and near-impossible debugging.
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<jenrzzz>
isn’t DM a dead project?
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<benzrf>
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
<wallerdev>
activerecord is where its at
<benzrf>
i wanna write SQL tho
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<benzrf>
SQL exists for a reason
<wallerdev>
sequel is a good gem
<benzrf>
i will be fetching the data with SQL
<wallerdev>
or used to be a few years ago
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<benzrf>
BUT i will be wrapping fetched data in this class
<benzrf>
so my question is, how should i do that
<wallerdev>
activerecord can use raw sql
<benzrf>
is datamapper suitable for that/
<alpha123>
jenrzzz: dm-core got updated 2 days ago....
<benzrf>
im use sequel :-)
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<alpha123>
jenrzzz: Granted it's not totally active and Ruby Object Mapper was supposed to be its successor; however they're significantly different so I'd say ROM doesn't really succeed DM
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<alpha123>
benzrf: Use DataMapper for that, you can execute raw SQL and it will do the effort of mapping the results to objects
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<alpha123>
wallerdev: ActiveRecord's philosophy is rather flawed
<alpha123>
jenrzzz: It's not a large app. I don't like Rails much so I didn't use that.
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<alpha123>
Well, Rails is O.K., but Sinatra is somewhat faster for me to develop with, somehow. Also this requires interfacing with a legacy database quite a bit, so DM is quite nice.
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<jenrzzz>
god software is so terrible
<jenrzzz>
why would anyone ever want to be a programmer
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<alpha123>
Sometimes, I have no idea. :P
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<alpha123>
I'm not really a programmer though anyway. :P I'm a web designer who knows a fair bit about programming and works at a tiny company so I do some backend stuff as well.
<jenrzzz>
most “mature” engineering fields can at least depend on the laws of physics working the same in most situations
<jenrzzz>
we don’t get that kind of certainty
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<alpha123>
Makes life more interesting.
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<alpha123>
Thanks for using proper quotes, it makes me happy
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<jenrzzz>
thank colloquy
<jenrzzz>
and it’s fancy-pants smart quotifying
<alpha123>
Oh, cool.
<jenrzzz>
idk how to type those otherwise hehe
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<mordof>
question: any way to re-order the output of pp so that it displays variables in a class descending instead of ascending in order?
<alpha123>
I need to try that :P
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<Bilge>
Why does respond_to? return false for a method exposed by attr_reader?
<jenrzzz>
mordof: monkey patch it maybe?
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<mordof>
wouldn't know where to start
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<jenrzzz>
mordof: why do you want to do this?
<mordof>
jenrzzz: so it'd make my output a lot easier to read?
<jenrzzz>
Bilge: can haz code?
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* mordof
isn't sure why else anyone would want to do that
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<Bilge>
jenrzzz: I forgot to specify the method as a Symbol
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<mordof>
jenrzzz: i'm trying to examine some data from my class (hierarchy, html parsing and all) and because there's a lot of children, all of the children are being listed first
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<mordof>
jenrzzz: *then* the relevant data i'm looking for is atthe bottom. so i have to read it in reverse order and it's confusing
<cmejia>
hello everyone
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<jenrzzz>
mordof: gotcha. yeah i always try to get the big picture before answering. saves a lot of time trying to figure out what someone actually wants vis-a-vis what they say they want
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<jenrzzz>
mordof: you can define a custom pretty print function on the class called #pretty_print
<mordof>
jenrzzz: though i think i figured out the problem with my logic anwyay
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<Bilge>
What keyword refers to the current instance of a class?
<jenrzzz>
self
<Bilge>
self doesn't seem to be an instance
<mordof>
then something else is likely the cause
<Bilge>
I can't write `x.is_a? self`
<jenrzzz>
in what context?
<Bilge>
In an instance method
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<Bilge>
TypeError: class or module required
<jenrzzz>
#is_a? takes a Class argument
<jenrzzz>
self would be an instance
<jenrzzz>
an Object, that is
<jenrzzz>
if you want the class of the current instance, use self.class
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<jenrzzz>
e.g. x.is_a?(self.class)
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<Bilge>
Oh I see :^)
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<mordof>
is it possible to include variables in a regular expression match? as in myvar = "string" /myvar$/ ~= "randomstring";
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<mordof>
i supose i'm going about it wrong.
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<mordof>
etter yet: i'm wondering how i can see if my variable string matches the beginning of another string
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<mordof>
there may be a string function for that - i'll look into that too
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<mordof>
aha.. String#start_with? ... convenient
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<combusean>
hey, for those that use unicorn here, do you guys use process management for any of it or notice memory leaks that require workers to be killed off?
<wallerdev>
mordof: you can do /#{myvar}$/
<wallerdev>
but you probably want to do Regex.escape first
<combusean>
hey wallerdev
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<wallerdev>
hey combusean
<combusean>
how are you doing?
<mordof>
wallerdev: noted, thanks
<wallerdev>
im doing great
<wallerdev>
i love mondays
<wallerdev>
:p
<combusean>
why?
<combusean>
oh
<combusean>
lol
<wallerdev>
get to work!
<combusean>
yeah i'm starting phase 2 of my workday
<wallerdev>
phases
<wallerdev>
interesting
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<wallerdev>
my work day ends in 5-35 mins
<combusean>
i work from 10 - 4:30 with a long lunch, then start again from like 6:30/7 - 10/11/12
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<wallerdev>
interesting
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<wallerdev>
i work 10-7 with an hour lunch
<combusean>
i love it
<wallerdev>
and free dinner
<combusean>
i get a lot of stuff done and fuck off on weekends
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<wallerdev>
yeah my previous job i had to work on weekends
<combusean>
i don't like working in offices
<wallerdev>
felt like i never had any time to relax
<combusean>
too stuffy
<wallerdev>
ah im the opposite
<wallerdev>
i worked from home for awhile and just felt like i was always at work since i had no separation really
<combusean>
i'm compelled to get a beer at lunch more than I'm hungry half the time
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<combusean>
hard to explain
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<wallerdev>
and i can walk to work so the commute isnt really an issue
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<combusean>
ahh
<combusean>
i half a half mile walk to the M stop that on a good day is 36 minutes from work
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* combusean
notes good days don't happen that often
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<wallerdev>
what city?
<combusean>
SF
<wallerdev>
ah same
<combusean>
yeah I knew you were a local. ;)
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<wallerdev>
:)
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<wallerdev>
i dont know if i can count as a local being here a few months haha
<wallerdev>
but i passed my drivers test for a california license last week
<combusean>
right on, where are you from?
<wallerdev>
so i guess that makes it official
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<wallerdev>
im from michigan
<wallerdev>
the state that is shaped like a hand, and thats about all it has going for it :p
* combusean
waves to another Bay Arean (crucify_me)
<combusean>
wallerdev, I left Phoenix to come to the bay in 2012
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<combusean>
mostly to see if I could find a ruby job
<wallerdev>
cool
<wallerdev>
did you find one yet
<wallerdev>
lol
<combusean>
yeah
<combusean>
i'm on my 3rd job here =P
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<wallerdev>
must be making a lot then ;)
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<combusean>
came here unemployed, found work at a crapfactory that was a bad culture fit and I didn't work hard enough, second company I got laid off, and now I'm at my 3rd
<crucify_me>
combusean: waves back !
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<combusean>
crucify_me, pardon me stalking your hostmask but how's berkeley?
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<mordof>
lol
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* combusean
still wonders if anyone uses unicorn here
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<crucify_me>
excellent, gorgeous. but I offended someone today with my nick, changing it now... how is the bay at large?
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<mordof>
... offended someone? o.o really?
<combusean>
crucify_me, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world
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<alpha123>
crucify_me: Well if you think about it you're asking people to tortore you so I'd think that would offend you and not other people. :P
<jenrzzz>
crucify_me: don’t change it. fuck people
<mordof>
no kidding..
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<wallerdev>
combusean: comcast? really?
<alpha123>
combusean: Can't say I do, but when I deploy this app I might
<alpha123>
(regarding unicorn)
<crucify_me>
combusean: I 've lived all over the world...Japan, S. America. The bay area is nice but I'm gonna move soon. yeah mordof on another channel. yeah well I'm a beginner at programming so I ask dumb questions and after enough flack I changed it to cruci fii me
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<crucify_me>
jenrzzz: maybe you're right it was a joke in response to people here making me feel stupid.
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<n_blownapart>
combusean: jenrzzz so now I'm napolean blown-apart for the squeamish among us.
<combusean>
did they come out and install it? i live in a shitty apt complex
<combusean>
on the edge of town
<combusean>
(parkmerced)
<jenrzzz>
“He who feels punctured / Must once have been a bubble, / He who feels unarmed / Must have carried arms, / He who feels belittled / Must have been consequential, / He who feels deprived / Must have had privilege.”
<jenrzzz>
very nice
<wallerdev>
i think its only for buildings with over 20 units
<jenrzzz>
thanks for that n_blownapart
<combusean>
oh
<combusean>
there's like 10 units in our building
<n_blownapart>
jenrzzz: an excellent translation !
<wallerdev>
my other option was at&t which looked awful
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<wallerdev>
they dont list their upload speed on their site
<n_blownapart>
witter bynner jenrzzz ?
<combusean>
i'm fine with comcast
<wallerdev>
theyll give you like 30mbps down and 0.5mbps up
<combusean>
i saw GoT last night on hbogo.com in mostly high quality.
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<jenrzzz>
n_blownapart: i’m just quick on the google-fu
<combusean>
while someone else was streaming netflix
<wallerdev>
yeah as long as you got what you need :)
<mordof>
jenrzzz, shevy: there we go - got the initial parsing good to go. just gotta fix up self closing tags.
<jenrzzz>
it was unsourced
<jenrzzz>
idk who translated it
<wallerdev>
i stream video which requires a good amount of upload speed
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<wallerdev>
and a lot of providers skimp on upload
<n_blownapart>
jenrzzz: Witter Bynner is my favorite. you hit on it I believe
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<Mdgd>
Hey gang
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<Nowaker>
howdy
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<Mdgd>
I could use some insight - I've got two models set up with a many to many relationship in Rails, Purchases and Assets. Now I want to register the quantity of each asset per purchase, and I'm thinking my best option is to jot down an extra field in the association table.
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<Mdgd>
How would I access it though? Wat do?
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<centrx>
Mdgd, Try #rubyonrails
<jenrzzz>
Mdgd: we have candy there
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<combusean>
centrx, THANK YOU =)
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<Mdgd>
.. Candy, you say?
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<jenrzzz>
Mdgd: yeah I can help you out over there. these curmudgeons don’t want to pollute their precious channel with activerecord shenangians
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<wallerdev>
home sweet home
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* centrx
eats some pie
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<sweeper>
SHENANIGANS
<sweeper>
srsly tho this captain morgan black is pretty nice
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<Rylee>
Is there shorthand for the following --> ary_of_hashes.sort_by { |e| e[:timestamp] }
<Rylee>
someth8ing like --> ary_of_hashes.sort_by :timestamp
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<centrx>
Rylee, not for hashes
<jenrzzz>
ary.sort_by(&:timestamp)
<shevy>
that is already short
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<centrx>
Yeah, it's already very short
<jenrzzz>
oh
<jenrzzz>
hash
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<Rylee>
alright
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<shevy>
if ruby would allow some default accessor rather than forcing you to use || then perhaps it could be shorter
<Rylee>
heh
<wallerdev>
yeah like groovy!
<shevy>
like in array.map! &:chomp
<shevy>
wallerdev groovy has that?
<wallerdev>
pretty sure
<shevy>
damn
<wallerdev>
no one uses groovy though
<jenrzzz>
that works in ruby too
<shevy>
lol
<Rylee>
doesn't really matter all that much, just wanted to know if there was a more idiomatic way to do it
<havenwood>
centrx: dunno! the issue got left with "lets see how a gem does" and that was the end of it!
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<centrx>
A gem certainly does...
<centrx>
"does"
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<havenwood>
centrx: yeah, i guess the idea was whether it'd be a popular idea - but i think it'd be popular if they made it available! :P
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<havenwood>
centrx: tor died on me, took a min to get back up >.>
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<havenwood>
centrx: we still suffer a bit from the pre-ordered-hash days ;( could stand to be prettied up! o/
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<passbe>
Windows, 1.9.3. Trying to prepend \\ to a variable holding a computer name and use backticks to execute a command. Can't seem to get double backslashes \\ to work. Tried \\\\
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<popl>
don't use backticks? What are you trying to do?
<passbe>
popl: that would usually work with filepaths but this is a command line argument to a windows executable. The command is PsLoggedOn.exe \\computername
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<reactormonk>
shevy, o/
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<reactormonk>
benzrf|offline, still waiting for you over in #nimrod ;-)
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<pontiki>
passbe: try single quotes instead of double
<popl>
:O
<pontiki>
>> name = "frank"; name.prepend('\\'); puts name
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<pontiki>
ohoh
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<mordof>
hmm.. i'd like to avoid &block if necessary in my methods
<mordof>
seems it's rather high on the performance hit
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<Hanmac>
hey mkmf users there? is there a way to check if a C++ class has a specific member function?
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<lxsameer>
does respond_to? check for protected and private methods
<lxsameer>
?
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<Hanmac1>
lxsameer: read the doc: "Private and protected methods are included in the search only if the optional second parameter evaluates to true."
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<lxsameer>
Hanmac1: thanks
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<mordof>
is there anything wrong with me doing this: def traverse; yield self; @children.each { |tag| tag.traverse { |x| yield x } } end to have a recursive call with a block on the original call that gets passed recursively?
<mordof>
i'm not sure how the |x| yield x section works
<mordof>
it seems like this is creating a new block for each recursive call
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<mordof>
so if i had 12 generations in this - the last one's yield would get passed through each generation's yield all the way up to the parent yield, correct?
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<chris349>
I installed ruby on a server but it seems to have hijacked the console. Is there any way to revert this?
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<popl>
chris349: What do you mean by hijacked the console?
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<chris349>
popl, Its gone from my scrollback, but when I cd into a directory I was getting messages about ruby
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<chris349>
Got one, I type the command: cd test/public/ and then it says: RVM used your Gemfile for selecting Ruby, it is all fine - Heroku does that too
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<popl>
You probably mangled your RVM configuration.
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<chris349>
I dont think there is any issue.
<chris349>
I simply want to know why and how to disable the hijacking of my consile
<chris349>
When I type cd it should change directory and nothing more.
<popl>
yeah it should
<popl>
but it doesn't
<popl>
which means something got borked
<popl>
since nobody else did it, that means you might have *accidentally* done something
<popl>
but if you're so sure you didn't, then I'm sure you know how to fix it
<chris349>
This is immediatly after I run the installer
<popl>
for rvm or ruby?
<popl>
they are not the same thing
<chris349>
I run RVM to install ruby, is that incorrect?
<popl>
no, but rvm is easy to mess up
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<popl>
lots of instructions, easy to miss steps
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<chris349>
What would be the best way to install ruby? I simply need to run an application through Apache, that is giving bundle errors with the rvm installation.
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<popl>
personally I like to use rbenv, chris349
<popl>
it's less clunky than rvm
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<chris349>
Is there any way to ignore one particular gem just to see what happens?
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<jvelasquez>
I have debian unstable and I wanted to install ruby 2.1.1 and gem. could anyone recommend a howto document or at least stear me in a direction? Do I install in a chroot like the guy from Oxford, from source on my root fs like the guy from rosehosting, or roll my own debian packages, or are there already debian packages?
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<zaargy>
just use rbenv and rbenv build?
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<Cope>
jvelasquez: I use ruby-install and chruby - very easy
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<flops>
exit
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<lurch_>
is there a way to disable the quoting added by to_yaml in ruby 2.1.1 Trying to migrate a 1.9.3 app to 2.1.1, but for some reason it is adding quotes (ie: "/a/b/c".to_yaml => "--- \"/a/b/c\"\n" for ruby 2.1.1, while the same command gives "--- /a/b/c\n...\n" for ruby 1.9.3)
<lurch_>
it’s giving problems because the result is nested somewhere where there are already double quotes used
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<lurch_>
both are using ‘psych’ as YAML::ENGINE.yamler
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<pothibo>
Is bundler faster at loading requirements than rubygems is? I'm currently loading a custom rails loader and it's like 3 times as slow as the normal one
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<pothibo>
And also, anyone knows a profiler for rails that I could use to see where the loading process spends most of its time?
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<shevy>
pothibo I assume that bundler is slower considering it does more stuff than rubygems
<shevy>
and the rails knowing folks are on #rubyonrails, many people here on #ruby don't know anything about rails
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<pothibo>
shevy that's what expected
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<shevy>
so anyone who uses jruby with ruby and does something fancy with it?
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<momomomomo>
shevy: define: 'fancy'
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<shevy>
well something like why jruby is used specifically
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<shevy>
I need like an impetus to want to use jruby
<momomomomo>
I use jruby / torquebox (built on JBOSS) to manage multiple applications, workers, etc.
<shevy>
hmm
<momomomomo>
shevy: You're approaching it wrong - you should have a problem that jruby solves before wasting time learning it
<momomomomo>
if you want to use a specific java library etc.
<momomomomo>
or, if you need real OS threads
<momomomomo>
it's pretty much a drop-in solution for most ruby situations, but gem compatibility and thread safety is something you'll have to keep top of mind
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<bluethundr>
hey all.. I've installed both ruby and rubygems on a partially locked down host that does not have incoming access from the net
<bluethundr>
so the problem is that I can't do gem install foo
<bluethundr>
is there anyplace on the net I can go to to download the individual gems I need as tarballs so that I can scp them up to the host?
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<bluethundr>
thanks
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<instantaphex>
a lot of gems are on github
<instantaphex>
just clone then and scp them up
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<yairgo>
I'm using sinatra and passing around very large amounts of json, sometimes 200MB or more. I know from a design standpoint this might not be the greatest but at the moment I am stuck. After every request I'm telling the GC to run, but the process is still holding on to a lot of memory. anyone know of any good profilers out there that I can use to see where this memory is being held?
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<instantaphex>
I guess nothing I do has really necessitated more features than MySQL provides
<instantaphex>
But then again, Ruby IS better than PHP, so I guess you're right.
<mordof>
instantaphex: I've found the same thing.. however I believe that's also due to a lack of creativity in the database side on my part. just because you can do something, doesn't mean it couldn't be better
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<mordof>
(or easier to manage, for that matter)
<katlogic>
As for me, it was always ruby being bottleneck, not the db.
<katlogic>
So no reason for not sticking with postgres.
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<mordof>
interesting
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<katlogic>
The two might not be exactly webscale; but are fairly powerful otherwise.
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<mordof>
question: i'm doing a recursive method that has a block passed to it. Do I pass the block as a Proc explicitly, or do I yield self; and then method { |x| yield x }; as an alternative? I'm not sure which would be better
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<hoelzro>
mordof: passing the proc explicitly seems cleaner to me
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<hoelzro>
(imo)
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<benzrf>
otherwise i get confused as to what's being yielded to :(((
<mordof>
hm, true
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<mordof>
the method { |x| yield x } .. if i'm understanding correctly, say there's 12 recursive calls - wouldn't that yield have to travel all the way back to the original to get the proper block?
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<mordof>
it's like yield inception
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<hoelzro>
mordof: unless you explicitly wrap the call to the outer block in another block, I don't think so
<hoelzro>
but I'm not privy to the implementation details of blocks
* hoelzro
.oO( maybe I should look at that )
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<mordof>
hoelzro: that's the only way to yield to the outer block i can find
<mordof>
hold on, i'll create a gist
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<mordof>
or something like it, because that errors out on me
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<hoelzro>
I'm guessing that passing the block explicitly would make it more efficient, as you wouldn't have to create a bunch of intermediate calling contexts
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<hoelzro>
you probably want tag.traverse(&block)
<hoelzro>
I don't know if you what you have right now will work
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<mordof>
it doesn't, heh
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<mordof>
i'll try that
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<mordof>
now why do i need to do that *again*?
<mordof>
i thought the argument took care of that?
<hoelzro>
&block arguments bind to the block associated with a method call
<hoelzro>
they don't bind to any regular arguments
<mordof>
oh
<mordof>
but doesn't that create multiple Procs now instead?
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<dfedde>
ls
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* mordof
was under the impression that creating Procs repeatedly in this case was quite a bit heavier on performance
<mordof>
i'll have to test this i suppose
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<hoelzro>
mordof: it probably is, but I don't think it's creating multiple procs
<Bilge>
Why can't I write: @foo << *@bar
<hoelzro>
it's associating the same proc in memory with different calls
<hoelzro>
it'd be like p = proc { ... } ; call_one.proc = p ; call_two.proc = p ; call_three.proc = p
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<mordof>
hoelzro: ah, ok. i'm going to benchmark the two traverse calls and see which is faster. once i figure out how to utilize this benchmark thing
<mordof>
heh
<hoelzro>
that's probably a good idea =)
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<Hanmac>
Bilge: you might look for push or concat
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<Bilge>
Hanmac: concat works fine but why can't I use the splat this way?
<Bilge>
I can't even write: @foo << (*@bar)
<Hanmac>
because << only wants ONE argument
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<Bilge>
That doesn't seem to be the reason, and @bar is a single-element array
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<Hanmac>
that has something todo with the syntax ... the syntax does allow only one argument for such operator like methods
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<Bilge>
So basically you can never use a splat on the right side of any operator?
<benzrf>
Bilge: use send if yu need that
<Bilge>
Except for = I suppose
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<mordof>
hoelzro: seems the block / proc approach is consistently slower, but even at 1mil iterations, only by about 3 seconds. (16.4s yield, 19.4s block/proc)
<hoelzro>
interesting
<benzrf>
neato
<benzrf>
probably more memory alloc
<benzrf>
or something
<hoelzro>
that's my guess
<benzrf>
maybe gc
<hoelzro>
I'm betting that Ruby doesn't bother allocating a "true" object for the block if it's just a yield
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<mordof>
if i use Benchmark.bmbm, what does that do? it says it does something about gc
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<mordof>
oh, it just runs it twice
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<mordof>
as well as a couple other things..
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<mordof>
the results are consistently the same either way
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<shevy>
mordof I thought about it
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<shevy>
mordof let's forgot project #1 and project #2
<mordof>
shevy: .. no? lol
<shevy>
mordof what will be your third project in ruby?
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<mordof>
shevy: my third project will be my job for the first few months - as i'll have a full time job, a fiancee, 2 general education classes because the governement demands them for me to graduate, and planning my wedding, lol
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<mordof>
probably not going to be doing much personal projects
<shevy>
ah
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<mordof>
besides, i'm learning a lot with this project #1
<mordof>
and that was the whole goal behind this
<mordof>
doesn't matter if it's "boring" or whatnot
<shevy>
:(
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<mordof>
question: if i'm doing array.each { |item| # stuff; }... and say i add in two items to the end of that array inside one of the .each iterations, will the .each iterate over those also?
<shevy>
I would think no
<mordof>
why is that?
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<shevy>
>> array = %w( a b c ); array.each {|entry| array << 'yo' if rand(2) == 1 }; array
<shevy>
mordof I would assume that it works like on a copy of it inside of the block; when the block is started, the old array is iterated through, regardless of what happens to it during the block processing
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<mordof>
ah
<mordof>
so if i want to create my traversal in a way that can get stuck in an infinite loop, i have to not use .each
<mordof>
joy
<shevy>
huh
<shevy>
why can't you use .each ?
<mordof>
shevy: because i need to iterate over new items also
<shevy>
aha
<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
so you basically have very dynamic arrays
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<mordof>
HTMl hierarchy - and i'm making a method to traverse (and possibly repair broken sections) the structure
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<mordof>
so if i'm doing a shift to repair a location, it needs to also iterate over the relocated item as well
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<mordof>
to ensure it gets everything inside there as well
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<mordof>
oh .. whoops
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<mordof>
benzrf, hoelzro: i mixed up my function names :/ i was wrong.. yield with a new block is not the faster one
<hoelzro>
oh ho
<hoelzro>
well, you arrived at an answer =)
* mordof
nods
<mordof>
it's nice that the cleaner one is also faster either way
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<mordof>
shevy: how does your example back there work?
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<shevy>
mordof hmm?
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<shevy>
mordof array = %w( a b c ); array.each {|entry| array << 'yo' if rand(2) == 1 }; array <-- array is modified afterwards, inside the block the old elements persist
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<mordof>
right, but my rand(2) == 1 came up with all false
<mordof>
not sure what that was for
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<mordof>
or did you just get lucky with all 3 being 1?
<shevy>
you never know with rand() what it will give you!
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<shevy>
mordof actually
<shevy>
array = %w( a b c ); array.each {|entry| puts entry; array << 'yo' if rand(2) == 1 }; array
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<shevy>
it does print yo
<shevy>
sometimes
<shevy>
hahaha
<shevy>
this is like haskell's maybe
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<mordof>
so that means it *does* iterate through the new items?
<shevy>
yeah
<mordof>
and my other logic was just wrong
<mordof>
ok
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<shevy>
sometimes
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<shevy>
:-)
<shevy>
maybe!
<shevy>
it's like that schrodinger cat
<metus_violarium>
Hello. I could be dumb. But what actually doing 'require "rubygems"'?
<mordof>
shevy: i'm not using rand, so if it does have that capability, then provided my logic to shift the elements around is working properly - it'll be fine
<shevy>
the one that gets locked into a box and then people say it is not inside
<shevy>
mordof well
<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
mordof array = %w( a b c ); array.each {|entry| array << 'yo'; puts entry }; array
<shevy>
this loops forever
<mordof>
shevy: schrodinger's cat is the premise that a cat is put in a box with poison, and at any given time the cat is both dead and alive, since we don't know
<shevy>
>> array = %w( a b c ); array.each {|entry| array << 'yo'; puts entry }; array
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<shevy>
mordof yea
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<mordof>
bah.. my repair logic is not going smoothly :/
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<mordof>
ooohh i finally understood what was happening, heh
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<mordof>
i kept getting a + is not a method on nil:nilClass .. and was like "what.. whenever i print it out, it works just fine, why is + broken"
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<mordof>
was grabbing the index of the current tag amonst the parents' children, then potentially shifting all tag children over to the parent (self closing, or tag with no end tag - considered "empty"), however i forgot to shift the parent connection... and subsequent .index calls came back nil -.-;
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<shevy>
I am just sad
<shevy>
soon you have to work, then it's goodbye ruby
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<kith>
http://net-ssh.github.io/ssh/v1/chapter-2.html <-- is SSH_AGENT_SOCK the correct enviroment variable? I have SSH_AUTH_SOCK and it seems to work... trying it in another script it doesnt as well as SSH_AGENT_SOCK, so i'm confused now :D
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<Hanmac1>
atmosx: yeah .. PS: "Method#original_name" i think i was the one that requested that ...
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<wallerdev>
good morning rubyers
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<wallerdev>
rubigos
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<mordof>
shevy: i'll still be doing Ruby for certain sections of work. it's not *just* rails
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<mordof>
shevy: and i'm not one to jsut say "oh I'm doing Rails now, my knowledge of Ruby can just stagnate
<Hanmac>
shevy: did you know that ruby-trunk support Pathname.new("a") / "b" / "c" ? ;P
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<shevy>
no idea about Pathname
<shevy>
once I realized how verbose it is I stopped using it
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<Danielpk>
How i can figure out which namespace the method was defined? (I need overwrite it but cant find where it was defined :/)
<shevy>
why is there a Class, and why is there one : before Foo ?
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<johnny5>
its like explaining what it is
<johnny5>
Foo::Example is a Class
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<Rylee>
If I have an array of Hashes that are of the form either { id: 'string', fallback_name: 'string' } or { id: 'string', fallback_email: 'string' }, how would I merge all entries where the id is the same so that the original array is now an array of hashes with all 3 elements?
<shevy>
johnny how is it a class?
<johnny5>
i presume so right?
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<shevy>
the code example above has: module Foo; module Example
<johnny5>
class Foo::Example; end says so
<havenwood>
shevy: a class instance method on the module
<shevy>
huh
<shevy>
ahhh
<shevy>
weird naming choices honestly
<mordof>
Rylee: how do you intend to merge them?
<shevy>
class methods on modules
<Rylee>
first.merge! second, most likely
<johnny5>
when a method is on a module it is no longer a method
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<johnny5>
it takes on the concept of being a function
<shevy>
lol
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<shevy>
is a module an object
<johnny5>
depends how you look at it
<johnny5>
thats correct, ruby embraces many ideas
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<mordof>
Rylee: unfortunately I'm fairly new to Ruby and that means nothing to me x.x lol
<jhass>
johnny5: that's not right. A function can be called without a receiver. module methods can't
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<johnny5>
shrug
<Rylee>
using the Hash#merge! method, thati s
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<shevy>
there is also .update Rylee
<Rylee>
hmm!
<Rylee>
yes tehre is indeed
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<mordof>
isn't that just an alias for merge!?
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<mordof>
yeah..
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<mordof>
"merge! and update are two names for the same method"
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<johnny5>
good to know programmers like shevy run circles around these jhass ppl
<Hanmac>
see the input data got changed ... you might not want this
<shevy>
johnny5 I am not a programmer!
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<johnny5>
true
<johnny5>
youre much better
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<Rylee>
it changes the input data intentionally, yeah
<shevy>
I hate computers, they are just too useful to not use them
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<Hanmac>
Rylee: infomation: inject (imo better name than reduce can be used better, because 1) it does have a default value, in this change it prevents the first hash from changing, 2) it accept symbols too ... that is slytly faster than blocks from symbols
<shevy>
"he was the guy who build epic <INSERT_THINGY_HERE>"
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<shevy>
ok
<shevy>
you are the dude who write a shitty, buggy html parser in ruby
<shevy>
;P
<shevy>
AND THEN
<shevy>
a rails project
<shevy>
...
<johnny5>
oh rails advice
<shevy>
mordof how about a game in ruby
<johnny5>
sup jhass
<shevy>
a browser game
<johnny5>
can u join the array sideways?
<shevy>
johnny5 you could tilt the head to the side
<shevy>
then the array looks sideways
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<mordof>
shevy: lol
<johnny5>
tru
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<mordof>
shevy: how is it buggy? it works properly
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<benzrf>
i second shevy for once
<shevy>
mordof ok mark my words
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<mordof>
shevy: you haven't even seen how i implemented it
<shevy>
mordof I'll remember you once you put it into a gem, and I find bugs :)
<shevy>
that's ok, I wait until your gem is finished
<mordof>
shevy: how old are you, if i'm allowed to ask? heh
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<mordof>
you seem like the type that has free time on their hands to be able to do more "interesting" things instead
<shevy>
I reached the age where it is no longer polite to ask for such things
<benzrf>
in python we may rotate a 2d list by doing zip(*l[::-1])
<benzrf>
where l is the list
<shevy>
mordof nah, I just wouldn't want to do boring things in my free time
<mordof>
shevy: again, this is far from boring for me
<shevy>
this is the scariest part
<mordof>
i'd rather be doing this than *another* game
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<mordof>
i've made lots of those
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<shevy>
but not in ruby :(
<mordof>
indeed
<mordof>
but my job isn't for making games
<mordof>
so that development style isn't useful to learn
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<mordof>
not right now anyway
<mordof>
shevy: once i'm done with my 2 classes, i'll be picking up some interesting projects in ruby
<shevy>
2 classes?
<shevy>
class First
<shevy>
class Second
<shevy>
done!
<shevy>
mordof well you wrote you won't have time after that :(
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<mordof>
shevy: it's not like i'll never have time again in my life
<johnny5>
ayo jhass im missing ur words of wisdom
<shevy>
well in 10 years...
<shevy>
... when you switched to python ...
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<shevy>
... to write the ultimate badass html parser ...
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<benzrf>
html parsing is trivial -smug-
<mordof>
benzrf: indeed it is. that's one of the reasons why i chose it
<mordof>
it's not like the concept of what i needed to do was all that difficult. i just wanted something to get a start on the langauge
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<benzrf>
tag closing = do {char '<'; if closing then char '/' else return (); name <- many1 alphanum; attrs <- attr `sepBy` spaces; char '>'; return (Tag name attrs)}
<benzrf>
oh wait i'd need to specify the name
<benzrf>
p:
<benzrf>
kk not too hard
<benzrf>
actually this could be fun to write brb
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<mordof>
hahahaha
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<mordof>
benzrf: what about child elements, and text nodes?
<benzrf>
im writing that
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<mordof>
benzrf: don't forget about stray < > / that could be inside and not actually be a tag
<mordof>
(even in the correct order / format)
<benzrf>
m8 i dont think you know how this works
<katlogic>
have you tried an actual parser instead?
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<certainty>
oh it should. It's not inside cdata :)
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* benzrf
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<katlogic>
does not in practice though
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<mordof>
certainty: not under an HTML doctype
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<katlogic>
thats the thing with html parsers. you have to digest whatever garbage browsers are happy with.
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<mordof>
certainty: under an XHTML doctype, yes
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<reflux>
i have two ruby versions installed due to a software dependency -- is there a shell environment variable i can set to specify which version to use when executing from the command line?
<certainty>
mordof: you may know better than me. Still it's not that hard to parse.
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<mordof>
certainty: indeed. i've already covered that scenario
<katlogic>
now writing pure xml recursive descent parser is trivial, but real world web pages using actual xhtml are some sort of magical fairy.
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* mordof
is only intending to parse properly formatted HTML 5 documents
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<katlogic>
enjoy you 3k loc html5 parser then
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<katlogic>
*your
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<mordof>
3k loc?
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<katlogic>
unfortunately html5 is not as regular as xml
<mordof>
i know
<katlogic>
and contains a lot of context dependent stuff
<mordof>
allows for open ended tags, self closing tags, etc
<katlogic>
and generally, you have to either write javascript parser
<katlogic>
and css too. or employ some daring heuristics which might or might not work
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<katlogic>
mordof: that, but also quoting being optional :(
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<mordof>
katlogic: i'm not looking to display the results.. only examine certain components
<mordof>
css and javascript aren't necessary
<katlogic>
mordof: indeed, with right set of heuristics you can skip those
<katlogic>
look at what beautifulsoup does
<katlogic>
the name 'soup' in those kind of parser is actually descriptive
<katlogic>
derived from 'letter soup'
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<mordof>
indeed
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<katlogic>
mordof: I dont know what you're really doing, but parsing *general* web pages is very hard to do reliably. The problem is actually small recursive descent parser, and horrible amount of workarounds on top of it...
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<mordof>
i'm aware
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<mordof>
katlogic: this is mainly for a learning experience. the chances of it being implemented are slim. and even if it does get implmented, it will only be for a very specific use case
<mordof>
learning ruby* not how to make an html parser
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<mordof>
so a large portion of those workarounds and checks aren't needed
<katlogic>
sadly neither of those work for me well enough when scraping :(
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<certainty>
it's probably easier to ignore the html and only look for the very subset that is tha structure that you're looking for then
* certainty
&
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<mordof>
certainty: the structure i'm looking for isn't immediately known
<mordof>
i'm attempting to write something that examines structural patterns, and identifies the sections i want based on those patterns
<mordof>
so that any tags, or amount of generations or whatever can be used
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<katlogic>
uh oh
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<mordof>
the pattern is obvious - just repeated blocks of html
<mordof>
a list essentially
<mordof>
but with a previously undetermined tag use / internal structure to eat item
<mordof>
each item*
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<mordof>
katlogic: is the html that you've been trying to scrape through valid?
<katlogic>
No, most of the time utter garbage.
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<katlogic>
Valid html rarely gives problems (as sgml/xml parsers can deal with it)
<katlogic>
but real world needs hand written parser and dom accessors :(
<mordof>
thought as much. yeah... mine is only meant to accomodate valid html
<mordof>
well
<Cope>
why is pastebin hated? I recall it is.. but can anyone point me to something that explains what's wrong with it?
<mordof>
Cope: i've always wondered that also
<katlogic>
Cope: disable adblock there for a while :)
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* mordof
hasn't disabled adblock in ages...
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<mordof>
i completely forgot
<katlogic>
yeah i use pastebin too, just out of spite
<Cope>
$new_colleague pasted something with it, and I asked him not to, in standard reaction.. he asked why... and I didn't know why... other than 'werm.. because #ruby says so'
<katlogic>
(also its oldest and greatest so why clone some copycat huh)
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<katlogic>
Cope: #ruby is full of shit. if pastebin has ruby hilite support then theres really no reason :)
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<mordof>
katlogic: i prefer calling it "very opinionated" lol
<katlogic>
github is only for rockstar programmer types
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<jenrzzz>
helpa says “Pastebin is not good because it loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting. Please use Gist (http://gist.github.com) or Pastie (http://pastie.org) instead. Thanks!"
<jenrzzz>
in #RoR
<popl>
yes, it's true
<popl>
pastebin.com sucks
<popl>
:)
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<popl>
jenrzzz: it also will alter the whitespace in your code
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<jenrzzz>
it’s great for sharing stolen data anonymously though :P
<popl>
"anonymously"
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<pezhore>
Anyone on here use the savon gem? I'm learning as I go, but wonder if the capitalization of APIKey is messing things up: http://pastebin.com/B5senUFb
<pezhore>
according to the server I'm connecting to, I"m sending the username/password correctly, but the api key is blank
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<benzrf>
mordof: check it out just finished my cruddy xml parser :^)
<happytux>
as there is no rake-related channel, I will ask in the next related channel.
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<happytux>
I am migrating from ant to rake and there is some behavior in ant scripts I want rake to replicate.
<happytux>
The first one would be that a task prints its task name so one knows what task is going to run now.
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<tzudot>
I have recently installed ruby version 2.1.1, and unfortunately deleted existing installation of ruby version 2.1.0.
<happytux>
I already tried several ways to get the task name printed in a transparent manner as I don't want to clutter my rake tasks with candy stuff like this, also I want to reuse this feature for all other Rakefiles, too.
<happytux>
tzudot: What distribution? Are you using a ruby environment manager (rbenv/rvm)?
<tzudot>
chruby
<happytux>
tzudot: what distribution? Debian? CentOS?
<tzudot>
I am on Mac OS.
<workmad3>
happytux: re your rake question - that sounds like running 'rake -t'
<tzudot>
when I install a gem, gem install --user-install <gem-name>
<tzudot>
it installs to /Users/tdot/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gem/
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<tzudot>
instead of /Users/tdot/.gem/ruby/2.1.1/gem/
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<happytux>
workmad3: So I let a Rakefile run with default task (which implies here that a full build is done). I want to see the task name at each step.
<workmad3>
happytux: 'rake -t'
<workmad3>
happytux: which prints out the 'trace'
<happytux>
oh
<tzudot>
so, when i run an executable installed from a gem, say hazel,
<tzudot>
i get this error - /usr/local/bin/hazel: bad interpreter: /opt/rubies/ruby-2.1.0/bin/ruby
<happytux>
workmad3: Can I add this also as an option to a Rakefile?
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<workmad3>
happytux: don't think so
<happytux>
workmad3: ok, thanks
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<happytux>
tzudot: Some interpreter / shell settings are wrong
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<tzudot>
ya, i suspect that
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<tzudot>
trying out few changes in my gemrc..
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<workmad3>
happytux: however, looking through the code for rake, I can see that it merges in options from the environment variable RAKEOPT
<Stalkr_>
If I have a method, `mail(to, message)` and a string `msg = "santa Hello Santa Claus!"`, why is it not possible to do `mail(msg.split(' ', 2))`? I get `wrong number of arguments (1 for 2)`
<Stalkr_>
Is it because it just returns an array?
<Hanmac1>
Stalkr_: use mail(*msg.split(' ', 2))
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<workmad3>
happytux: so if you set RAKEOPT=-t in your bashrc or similar, you get that behaviour turned on all the time
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<Stalkr_>
Hanmac: Fantastic, I got to remember that star, thanks
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<happytux>
workmad3: nice
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<apeiros>
Stalkr_: and yes, it was because split returns one object (an array, as you said)
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<Stalkr_>
I realized that as I hit the enter key, haha. Glad * does what I meant
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<tzudot>
can't quite get where is version 2.1.0 stuck in configuration.
<happytux>
tzudot: Currently I am using rbenv, but then I read you use chruby and the similar sound to 'chroot' gave me a hint and now I will use chruby, too.
<tzudot>
as the folder, /opt/rubies/2.1.0 has been deleted.
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<tzudot>
happytux: it's awesome and i prefer that too or ruby managers
<tzudot>
or/other*
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<happytux>
tzudot: Yes, rbenv is nicer than rvm but still a pain, chruby is unix philosophical right as it does only one job (ruby environment switching).
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<tzudot>
true :)
<workmad3>
happytux: switch to ruby-install too, if you're still on ruby-build :)
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<happytux>
workmad3: how can I install ruby-install? I can't find it as a ruby gem, I guess it is more complex.
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
if it is a gem, you must have ruby installed, no?
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<Hanmac>
my current ruby is less then 1 day old ;P
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<shevy>
workmad3 good point, if you would have omitted that, you'd been even lazier
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<shevy>
can we make a distribution like gentoo and archlinux combined
<shevy>
but using ruby rather than python
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<centrx>
That could be a good project
<centrx>
Replacing all Python and Perl with Ruby as the standard Linux glue
<centrx>
glue/scripting language
<Hanmac>
Suse uses Ruby for SystemConfig/SystemSettings
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<toretore>
"glue"
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<toretore>
that's one unix philosophy i don't care for
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<BraddPitt>
Hi all, if I am creating a class which will have a lot of instance variables (like 10), what is the most idiomatic ruby way to create the initialize() method? Pass a params hash?
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<happytux>
Is there a nice puppet module for installing chruby? I found a very nice one for rbenv.
<banister>
BraddPitt yeah, or, redesign your shit so you dont need to pass so many ;)
<toretore>
BraddPitt: use kwargs
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<BraddPitt>
idk banister im scraping a webpage for torrents so i want to store all that info without issuing multiple GETs
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<BraddPitt>
would it be appropriate to store the hash itself as the only instance variable, and then make getter methods to extract the values from the corresponding key?
<BraddPitt>
or is that stupid>?
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<toretore>
no, it's acceptable
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<toretore>
though it does reveal your classs''s innards to the world
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<banister>
BraddPitt that sounds lke a better approach
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<BraddPitt>
ok, thank you toretore and banister i think ill do that
<BraddPitt>
although, can you think of any better way?
<toretore>
the proper way is to design your class without considering the data structure you're getting from a 3rd party
<banister>
BraddPitt do other objects need to access those vars ? if not you dont even need to write accessors
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<shevy>
Hanmac SuSE does?
<Hanmac>
yeah
<shevy>
cool
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<happytux>
Should I build ruby with clang or with gcc?
<jenrzzz>
happytux: what platform?
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<shevy>
you are on freebsd?
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<atmosx>
shevy: my application is
<shevy>
hmm
<atmosx>
and this weechat session is running on a tmux session on a freebsd server. Connection is tunneled through tor :-P running on the same freebsd server
<atmosx>
shevy: it's a vps
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<shevy>
man
<shevy>
ircing on peechat
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<happytux>
Debian amd64
<happytux>
shevy / jenrzzz: ^^
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<jenrzzz>
gcc probably
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<jenrzzz>
i think the configure script will decide for you anywayw
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<shevy>
happytux gcc may be old but it works fairly well, go save yourself any headache, compile with gcc, and start using ruby
<jenrzzz>
it shouldn’t really matter… i don’t think ruby does any weird shit that would differ between compilers
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<jenrzzz>
happytux: run the config script and check the output
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<happytux>
ok
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<happytux>
What install path should I use for chruby? They don't mention it in their docs.
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<happytux>
Correction: I mean what install path should I use for ruby-install !
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<jenrzzz>
happytux: prefix?
<jenrzzz>
happytux: /usr/local probably
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<lethjakman>
is there..like a list of the methods and stuff used in meta programming?
<lethjakman>
I'm constantly forgetting what I need
<happytux>
jenrzzz: So I would clone it into /usr/local/ruby-install and then make install, right?
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<johnny5>
doesn't the README provide instructions?
<toretore>
happytux: are you referring to where ruby-install itself should be installed, or where your rubies will be?
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<johnny5>
i followed the instructions in the readme and it was really easy
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<toretore>
happytux: (both are entirely up to you)
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<mastyd>
Hey is there anyone here who could help me with some basic regex stuff
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<toretore>
ask
<jenrzzz>
mastyd: yeah, what do you need?
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<toretore>
not me though, i'm going to get a beer and watch tv
<happytux>
toretore / jenrzzz: What is recommended / usually used / used by you as directory where the git source is cloned to?
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<mastyd>
I'm not really sure how to do match groups correctly. Basically I'm looking at matching names in chat messages. So if I'm looking for Chris I want to match all the instances of Chris in the following message, but NOT Christopher====> "Chris: hey guys I'm hanging out with Christopher tomorrow if you wanna come"
<jenrzzz>
happytux: /tmp or my home directory
<mastyd>
So the Chris before the colon will be highlighted, but not Christopher
<happytux>
jenrzzz: and when root installs it, it would be probably the root home (/root), right?
<jenrzzz>
happytux: not sure what you’re asking. the build directory is different from the prefix you install to
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<jenrzzz>
but yeah, if you are root, /root is usually your home
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<mastyd>
Yeah I used rubular but I'm not 100% understanding match groups. my regex looks like this (^|\s)Chris(:|\s|$)
<jenrzzz>
mastyd: /(\w+):/ probably does what you want
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<jenrzzz>
or maybe not
<mastyd>
But I also wanna match Chris if it shows up in the message
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<mastyd>
so "Chris: hey guys my name is Chris"
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<apeiros>
mastyd: /\bChris\b/
<happytux>
jenrzzz: so git clone it to '/root/src/ruby-install/' ?
<apeiros>
\b is a word boundary
<jenrzzz>
happytux: ^
<apeiros>
which prevents it from matchin Christopher
<apeiros>
*matching
<jenrzzz>
happytux: it doesn’t matter dude
<jenrzzz>
you’re gonna delete it anyways
<happytux>
jenrzzz: pardon my ignorance, normally I would just pick some directory and then go with it. But in this case I have to do it in best practice as it is fixated in a puppet module.
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<mastyd>
Oh dope, I didn't know about that
<mastyd>
thanks a bunch guyus
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<apeiros>
jenrzzz: in an international world, you usually want \p{Word} instead of \w
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<apeiros>
though, if "nicknames" is "irc nicknames", both would be wrong :)
<jenrzzz>
happytux: there isn’t really a well-defined best practice though. take sysadmin license and do what you want
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<jenrzzz>
apeiros: yeah i charge extra for that
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<happytux>
jenrzzz: sysadmin license? Does each sysadmin license permit to use another path for the source?
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<jenrzzz>
happytux: it means its your server, do whatever the fuck you want
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<jenrzzz>
in ansible i’ll usually make the build directory in /tmp, configure, compile, and install, then delete the build directory
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<jenrzzz>
happytux: why don’t you just make it a debian package? would probably make your life easier in the long run
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<happytux>
jenrzzz: right
<happytux>
jenrzzz: this would be indeed the right way
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<instantaphex>
can someone tell me what's wrong with this bit of jQuery: ($(document).scrollTop() >= 226) ? $('#follow-nav').css('display', 'block') : $('#follow-nav').hide();
<blahblah>
rubyconf is soldout?
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<instantaphex>
nevermind I'm retarded
<apeiros>
also in the wrong channel :)
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<lethjakman>
blahblah: isn't it also over?
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<instantaphex>
Well, yes, but I figured you guys were smart enough. I don't like going in JavaScript based channels
<lethjakman>
oh wait...I'm thinking railsconf
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<instantaphex>
shevy if only that were possible. Unfortunately clients want cool badass things moving around the screen and want to know if we can utilize the "DHTML codes"
<workmad3>
I quite like javascript :)
<shevy>
just look at the insantiy:
<shevy>
$('#follow-nav')
<shevy>
I even see lisp elements
<shevy>
instantaphex I know, the legacy often ruins the future
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<benzrf>
workmad3: what the butt
<jenrzzz>
fix your california style sheets
<workmad3>
shevy: that's an interface for DOM access though, not javascript itself
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<shevy>
javascript is even more popular on github than ruby
<lethjakman>
shevy: wait. you're still trying to do that.
<instantaphex>
california style sheets?
<shevy>
workmad3 can I target DOM without javascript
<apeiros>
mordof: how do you mean? probably sub/gsub
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<mordof>
oh gsub, that's what i needed
<mordof>
apeiros: thanks
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<shevy>
mordof there is also .tr() !!!
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<workmad3>
shevy: sure... DOM manipulation is a language-independent specification worked up by w3
<shakar>
Hello! My company has a big rails app, with a correspondingly big production.log, which muddles all the errors among everything else. How can I have all the error messages, of any type, be written to a separate file?
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<shakar>
we're using rails 3.2.17 and ruby 2.0.0
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<atmosx>
shakar: using grep?
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<shakar>
atmosx: I'm looking for the log files to _always_ be written this way, not just use a one-time tool
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<shevy>
atmosx he asked a rails question on #ruby ;(
<jherman3>
Is anyone here familiar with SAX parsing with nokogiri?
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<shakar>
shevy: sorry, it's difficult for me to distinguish between rails and ruby framework stuff, I'm not versed in either. And I tried #rails, #rubyonrails, and #ruby-on-rails but none of those seemed to be it. Then I figured if I came here, I'd see a rails cannel in the topic. I didn't, so I just asked.
<shakar>
*channel
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<shevy>
shakar the railsers are on #rubyonrails
<shevy>
many people here do not know rails at all
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<shevy>
I assume atmosx comment in regards to grep was meant to search for where that file is stored
<shevy>
and look at the source of said file to know where to search further
<shakar>
shevy: ah, hm, was immediately kicked last time I tried a few minutes ago, working now, thanks
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<shevy>
#rubyonrails requires registration, unlike #ruby which allows happy chatting
<shevy>
and there is also #ruby-lang
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<dsdeiz>
hey all what is the version of the specs does the yaml engine that comes with 1.9.3? 1.1 or 1.2?
<shevy>
where the bosses hang out
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<crome>
shakar: you can easily write a custom logger that maintains separate files for different severities and hook it up with rails in config/application.rb
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<atmosx>
shakar: in the rails directory => grep -i error log/development.log
<atmosx>
or what crome says, using 'logger' you could write a custom logger and redirect everything there but I guess you're not the developer.
<crome>
shakar: you can also think about using one of the log services like papertrail
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<atmosx>
anyway that's a considerably easy task that can be approached by different tools at different levels depending on what you need
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<shakar>
crome: we are using papertrail
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