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<segfalt> timgauthier: Is that unusual? Where I'm from most houses are built out of wood.
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<timgauthier> yes that is how Canada does it, but it is quite dumb to build a huge house that is styled like a huge euro style house in wood.
<timgauthier> and then they slap fake stone on the outside...
<shevy> hahaha
<timgauthier> just build it out of real stone
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<segfalt> I think it's a cost thing, right?
<shevy> but fake stone looks nicer!
<shevy> just put dirt inside and that was it
<segfalt> I've assumed it's a cost thing anyway.
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<timgauthier> if you are building a house this big (its supposidly 3million CAD) why would you care about cost?
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<segfalt> maybe you have $3m CAD, and not $6m CAD?
<timgauthier> then you build a smaller house.
<segfalt> I guess I'm still missing the "why"
<segfalt> sorry.
<timgauthier> you build a 3mil$ house that lasts maybe 40 years before it falls apart
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<timgauthier> or you spend the money to build a house that lasts 100 years without any maintenance, or forever with minor maintenance.
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<segfalt> I guess if you're a vampire
<segfalt> :)
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<timgauthier> uhm... what about your family, your kids etc?
<segfalt> I guess I never really thought about it though, everything is wood in new england
<timgauthier> you are spending 3 million, why the hell wouldn't you invest it wisely into something that lasts
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<segfalt> that's a good point
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<segfalt> i wonder why you don't see more stone construction in US/Canada
<segfalt> I mean, I live in NH and it's "The Granite State", so it's certainly not a shortage ;-)
<centrx> wood is much cheaper
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<centrx> European forests were deforested very early
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<timgauthier> wood is way cheaper, but it also doesn't last.
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<segfalt> do a lot of people build with stone in Europe?
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<timgauthier> Germany has tons of forests they could easily build some of their houses out of wood, but why? It wouldn't last nearly as long.
<segfalt> I visited Iceland this year, a lot of the houses are stone/cement stuff, but they don't have a ton of trees so that made a lot of sense.
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<timgauthier> I know in germany everything appears to be stone, at least in east germany. even the curbs are stone blocks. then they cover over all of the stone with plaster
<timgauthier> iceland has no natural forests, they cut them all down
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<segfalt> timgauthier: So do they typically still put wood studs and drywall on the interior of the stone, and insulate?
* segfalt suddenly wants a stone house
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<timgauthier> not that i've seen.
<timgauthier> drywall doesn't seem very common, my Fiancées parents house is entirely stone block type things for the entire structure, internal walls etc.
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<segfalt> so do you need like a air compressor nail gun to hang up a painting?
<eam> germany doesn't get many earthquakes ;-)
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<timgauthier> actually it does
<timgauthier> what is a clipboard manager for osx?
<timgauthier> germany gets lots of 2.0 and lower earthquakes quite frequently
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* segfalt is also interested in a good clipboard manager
<segfalt> are you from Germany, timgauthier?
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<timgauthier> I'm Canadian, i live in Germany. I've been home only a few days and I am jetlagged and complaining about Canada and missing my fiancée who isn't here yet.
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<segfalt> first one looks nice
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<ShideR> close
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<timgauthier> hmm?
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<benlieb> is there a way to refer to the object being enumerated from with the enumeration block w/o storing that obj in a var?
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<benlieb> for example [...]..each{|x| being_enumerated.size}
<benlieb> or whatever..
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<pontiki> my brain is fried, but i can't think of a way to do that, benlieb
<benlieb> seems like that would be useful...
<pontiki> it does
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<pontiki> maybe another read through Enumerable
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<benlieb> what about collect with index?
<benlieb> does something like that exist?
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<benzrf> benlieb:
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<benzrf> >> %w/foo bar baz/.each_with_index.map {|word, idx| word + idx.to_s}
<eval-in> benzrf => ["foo0", "bar1", "baz2"] (https://eval.in/156893)
<benzrf> enumerators :-)
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<pontiki> that doesn't sound like what benlieb is asking for
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<benlieb> I'm asking about two things, but that is one of them :)
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<benlieb> I don't understand it yet, though
<pontiki> oh
<pontiki> i only saw the one about being_enumerated
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: just put it in a variable beforehand
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: each_with_index.map works because #each_with_index returns an Enumerator if it isn't given a block, and Enumerator also includes Enumerable, so you can use #map on it
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<benlieb> ari-_-e: +1
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<pontiki> avdi has some good stuff on Enumerable and Enumerator
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<inflatus> Have a question about training
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<inflatus> has anyone ever done the train to hire programs? the ones that are about 12 weeks and you give them a percentage of your first years pay once you find a job
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<benzrf> inflatus: sounds shady to me
<benzrf> inflatus: learn your codes on the internet
<benzrf> it's what i did B)
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<benlieb> ari-_-e: benzrf: maybe this is why I don't understand:
<benlieb> d.each_with_index.collect{|x, i| "#{x}:#{i}"}
<benlieb> d.each_with_index.collect do |x, i| "#{x}:#{i}" end
<benlieb> return different things
<benzrf> benlieb: no they dont
<ari-_-e> hmm, different how?
<benzrf> also, use map and not collect
<segfalt> because reasons
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<inflatus> benzrf: thanks
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<benzrf> inflatus: dont take that as reliable testimony
<benlieb> it could be the gem I'm using to print to console. one moment
<benzrf> i have not used my programming knowledge to get a job
<benlieb> also why not collect?
<benzrf> benlieb: its not idiomatic
<benlieb> benzrf: it's used everywhere...
<benlieb> select, reject,
<benlieb> ...
<ari-_-e> collect is the smalltalk name for that operation, I believe
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<ari-_-e> it's called "map" in most other languages
<pontiki> map and collect are aliases
<ari-_-e> that I know of, anyway
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<pontiki> one isn't more idiomatic than the other
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<benlieb> collect is more descriptive
<inflatus> benzrf: i have been learning online for a few weeks. I ran across a few comnaies that were offering the training. It is good to know that others haven't relied soley on programming knowledge to land a job.
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<pontiki> benlieb: not always more descriptive
<benzrf> inflatus: no, i havent relied on it because i'm in high school
<benzrf> =p
<horsecowdog> Need help with SQL/ActiveRecord: I have a rails User model which has_many Resources and Resources have many Ratings. I'm trying to get the count of the Resources which have a rating that belong to a user.
<inflatus> benzrf: :)
<pontiki> horsecowdog: try asking on #rubyonrails
<benlieb> for whatever reason, the two different syntaxes {|x| } do .. end above produce different outputs in a rake task, but the same outputs in the console. strange
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<ari-_-e> smalltalk seems to like methods ending in "ect"
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<benlieb> but there could be something else going on... hm
<benzrf> defect
<pontiki> i would vote for "something else"
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<benlieb> pontiki: doesn't seem like it: https://gist.github.com/pixelterra/fabc4efdaa5a73462848
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<benlieb> just added the console output (the same output) to the guist
<benlieb> gist
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<ari-_-e> my guess: it's passing the block to puts
<ari-_-e> if you put parentheses around the puts argument, it works
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: ^
<apostasy_> Can somebody please explain to me if https://github.com/dmendel/bindata can be used as a normal class
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<apostasy_> I wish to have binary I/O for my classes
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: so the two things you posted above are the same by themselves, but adding the puts in front makes them different
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<apostasy_> By normal class I mean that I can access its attributes and also define methods for the class
<apostasy_> Can I do that?
<benlieb> ari-_-e: but look at this: https://gist.github.com/pixelterra/ebc33e618e028b705149
<benlieb> assignment isn't obvious either.
<ari-_-e> apostasy_: I don't see why you couldn't add methods to that
<ari-_-e> apostasy_: doesn't look like an "abnormal" class to me
<ari-_-e> whatever that would be
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<apostasy_> Okay
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<apostasy_> Thanks
<benlieb> I don't like that these behave so differently. Looks like bugs waiting to happen
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: hmm, those do the same things for me...
<benlieb> ruby -v?
<benlieb> I'm 1.8.7 (unfortunately) old project
<ari-_-e> ohhh
<ari-_-e> yeah
<ari-_-e> you should upgrade :)
<benlieb> lol
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<ari-_-e> who knows what that 1.8 does
<benlieb> I should
<benlieb> but then there's all that hell that breaks loose...
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<ari-_-e> hmm...
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: oh!
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: it's because of the block argument x
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<ari-_-e> it overwrites x
<pontiki> err. it shouldn't
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<benlieb> I love the collect, reject, select methods, but often want an index with it.
<benlieb> oh well
<ari-_-e> pontiki: this is 1.8
<ari-_-e> benlieb: just choose different variable names?
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<benlieb> ari-_-e: nah, too buggy.
<ari-_-e> ?
<benlieb> I'm going to just use ye old container = [] object
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<pontiki> oh, sorry
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<benlieb> I don't like code that spooky and subtle like that. You'll forget that subtlety later and it will kick you in the ass
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<pontiki> good point
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<ari-_-e> benlieb: you just need to know the language that you're using - in ruby 1.8, block arguments leak into the enclosing scope
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<benlieb> right, but remember that suggestion to upgrade to 1.9
<benlieb> ?
<ari-_-e> yeah?
<benlieb> Soon as I upgrade. Bam. bug.
<ari-_-e> um no?
<ari-_-e> why would there be a bug?
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<benlieb> because these two versions behave differently in this case
<ari-_-e> you didn't answer my question
<ari-_-e> in this specific case why would there be a bug?
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<ari-_-e> it depends on exactly what you're doing, I suppose
<ari-_-e> but if I understand what you want to do and what the appropriate fix is, upgrading to 1.9 won't cause a bug
<ari-_-e> sorry, let me be clearer: the only difference in behavior happens when you have a block argument with the same name as some variable in the enclosing scope
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<ari-_-e> unless you're depending on your block arguments affecting other variables, the upgrade won't change anything
<combusean> This branch is 237 commits ahead and 691 commits behind master
<combusean> haha
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<jbzt> In ruby 1.9.3 I made this call without warning “Object.const_get(‘MyClassName’)”, but in 2.x I’m getting a warning “warning: class variable access from toplevel” on that line. Any idea what the 2.x way of doing this is?
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<havenwood> jbzt: are you using class variables?
<ari-_-e> yeah that line doesn't have anything to do with class variables...
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<shevy> he couldn't take it
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<havenwood> shevy: class variables are prone to driving one to madness
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<ari-_-e> >> @@abc
<eval-in> ari-_-e => /tmp/execpad-a9948a85de96/source-a9948a85de96:2: warning: class variable access from toplevel ... (https://eval.in/156906)
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<ari-_-e> >> @abc
<eval-in> ari-_-e => nil (https://eval.in/156907)
<ari-_-e> sigh
<havenwood> ari-_-e: don't ever use class variables, done.
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<ari-_-e> >> class Object; @@abc; end
<eval-in> ari-_-e => uninitialized class variable @@abc in Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/156908)
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<hailwood> Hey guys, can someone please break down these 6 lines for me, specifically I am wondering about the url = "...", authorization, date = ...
<hailwood> How should that be read?
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<ari-_-e> what 6 lines?
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<ari-_-e> well, you know about string interpolation?
<ari-_-e> with #{}?
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<hailwood> Yeah, so I get the ... part, so that's building the url from the options hash, but then it goes , authorization. What's happening there? is it setting url as a key on the authorization hash or something?
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<ari-_-e> so, there are two literal syntaxes for Hashes
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<ari-_-e> there's { a => b, c => d } where a, b, c, and are all objects
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<ari-_-e> but there's also { a: b, c: d}
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<ari-_-e> which is the same as { :a => b, :c => d }
<ari-_-e> this is using the second syntax
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<hailwood> that's line 35 you're referring to?
<ari-_-e> so that's :url => URI.escape(url)
<ari-_-e> 33
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<ari-_-e> you can pass a Hash as the last argument and leave out the { and }
<ari-_-e> so it's passing a hash to sign_request
<ari-_-e> which is also defined in this file
<ari-_-e> def sign_request(options)
<ari-_-e> line 59
<ari-_-e> so it receives the Hash in options
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<ari-_-e> >> def func(o); puts o.inspect; end; func a: 'b', c: 'd';
<eval-in> ari-_-e => {:a=>"b", :c=>"d"} ... (https://eval.in/156909)
<hailwood> Right, so when we get to line 35 what are authorization and date looking like? (I'm not a ruby person, but have been asked to try and interpret it).
<ari-_-e> well authorization and date are assigned on line 33
<ari-_-e> sign_request presumably returns two values
<ari-_-e> yup, it returns a two-element array on line 61
<ari-_-e> a, b = [x, y] assigns a to x and b to y
<hailwood> Right! That makes more sense!
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<Wr3x> Any recommendations for a new ruby hacker working with threading/mutexes ?
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<ari-_-e> Wr3x: don't if you don't have to
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<Wr3x> Well I have too.
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<havenwood> Wr3x: Queue and SizedQueue are handy: http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.1/libdoc/thread/rdoc/Queue.html
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<havenwood> Wr3x: Good examples of various concurrency patterns implemented in Ruby: https://github.com/jdantonio/concurrent-ruby#readme
<havenwood> Wr3x: Then there's Celluloid: https://github.com/celluloid/celluloid#readme
<havenwood> Wr3x: maybe say more what you're up to?
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<havenwood> Wr3x: Jesse Storimer's "Working with Ruby Threads" is a good read.
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<Wr3x> Sure, I'm checking for service up time across about a hundred machines and there tends to be race conditions.
<Wr3x> I don't wanna start checking if webs up until DNS checks finish for example.
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<lenswipe> hey guys
<lenswipe> can someone help?
<lenswipe> Im having issues installing a gem
<lenswipe> i get unable to download data from rubygems.org certificate verify failed
<havenwood> lenswipe: Gist the error output?
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<havenwood> lenswipe: OS/distro?
<lenswipe> havenwood, windows 8
<lenswipe> im trying to install the compass gem so that i can start my node app to demo today
<lenswipe> havenwood,
<lenswipe> before you ask
<lenswipe> no - I don't have rvm installed
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<havenwood> lenswipe: does this fail?: gem update --system
<lenswipe> havenwood, no, it says its already up to date
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<havenwood> lenswipe: just to confirm?: gem -v
<lenswipe> oaky hold on
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<havenwood> ruby -v
<lenswipe> havenwood, 2.0.3
<havenwood> that isn't latest
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<lenswipe> gem -v = 2.0.3
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<lenswipe> *shrug* so what do i do?
<havenwood> lenswipe: with --system flag?: gem update --system
<lenswipe> yep
<lenswipe> want a gist?
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<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, its still me - im on the problem machine this time (my laptop)
<lenswipe_dev> i was chatting from my desktop before
<lenswipe_dev> should be easier to send you gists now
<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: ruby -v
<havenwood> trying to figure out why your RubyGems isn't updating
<lenswipe_dev> ok
<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: what is your Ruby version?
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, i got it from here: http://rubyinstaller.org/
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<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: assuming this will have a cert error too, but try: gem install rubygems-update
<lenswipe_dev> ok
<havenwood> assuming that installs: update_rubygems
<lenswipe_dev> yep
<lenswipe_dev> cert error too
<lenswipe_dev> EXECThe system cannot find the file specified.
<lenswipe_dev> oops
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<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: I'd suggest grabbing the more recent installer, which will get you a newer RubyGems that fixes the missing s3 cert: http://rubyinstaller.org/
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<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, okay
<lenswipe_dev> so i should uninstall what i have and grab it again?
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<OffTheRails> any contractors around? thoughts on employment vs contracting?
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<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, out of interest, is the missing s3 cert related to the heartbleed bug?
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<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: yes uninstall and grab again, no this particular issue isn't related to heartbleed but that'd be enough reason alone to update
<lenswipe_dev> hmm
<lenswipe_dev> did the gems people just move some stuff to or from s3 after this build or something?
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<lenswipe_dev> hehe
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<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, that's interesting
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, so now the installer wont open
<lenswipe_dev> so now im digging into windows to see why it wont open the installer
<havenwood> OffTheRails: podcast might be interesting to you if you haven't checked it out: http://www.freelancersshow.com/
<lenswipe_dev> i belive this is called "Yak Shaving"
<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: called "Windows" :P
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, *sigh* I know :(
<havenwood> OffTheRails: also some Ruby Rogues episodes: http://rubyrogues.com/121-rr-consulting-vs-product-work-with-adam-keys/
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, I do have a desktop that runs a proper OS (debian)
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<lenswipe_dev> but i have to keep my winshit laptop for Steam
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<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: that'd be a smoother experience!
<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: steam for linux now :)
<havenwood> but yeah
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<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, yeah, but sadly current debian release doesn't support steam without making into into a frankendistro with ubuntu repos and stuff
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<lenswipe_dev> tried that once, almost broke it
<lenswipe_dev> not going to try again
<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: ew
<lenswipe_dev> ya
<lenswipe_dev> its coming
<lenswipe_dev> not here yet though
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<lenswipe_dev> but yeah, I <3 developing on linux
<lenswipe_dev> everything is better
<OffTheRails> cheers havenwood
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<OffTheRails> haha
<pontiki> sockpuppeting?
<lenswipe_dev> something like that
<havenwood> check episode 01: RubyonRails for why Ruby is too precious for Rails: http://collectiveidea.com/blog/archives/2012/04/01/walken-on-rails/
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, oh lovely....100% disk usage while windows is doing precisely fucking NOTHING!
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, did i mention this was on a quad core laptop with 8GB of RAM
<havenwood> lenswipe_dev: working as intended
<lenswipe_dev> *sigh*....oh windows...
<lenswipe_dev> apparently "System" is using most of it
<lenswipe_dev> whatever that means
<lenswipe_dev> ruby installer still hasn't shown up to the party yet
<lenswipe_dev> Dropbox has drunk most of the bar
<lenswipe_dev> and System is sexually harassing a doorman
<lenswipe_dev> T_T
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<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, and now six of them have opened
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<gr33n7007h> Anyone know how to fix this: Grackle::TwitterError: get http://api.twitter.com/1.1/users/show.json?screen_name=gr33n7007h => 400: {"errors":[{"message":"Bad Authentication data","code":215}]}from /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/grackle-0.3.0/lib/grackle/client.rb:296:in `handle_error_response'
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<lenswipe_dev> gr33n7007h, well it looks like your Oauth credentials are either wrong or being pased wrongly
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<lenswipe_dev> I'm not a Ruby expert but that looks like its coming from twitter not the library
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<lenswipe_dev> I'd check with a packet sniffer or something to see if the token is being passed (it looks like its not)
<lenswipe_dev> havenwood, thats gem install working now - thank you! :D
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<gr33n7007h> let me recheck my credentials then
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<lenswipe_dev> gr33n7007h, like I said - I'd say that your OAuth token is making it to twitter for whatever reason...either because the gem you're using isn't passing it for some reason or it is making it but it's wrong or expired or truncated or something
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<_automan> Anyone using the ruby mongo driver?
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<gr33n7007h> lenswipe, working on it now :)
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<lenswipe> gr33n7007h, did you figure it out? or are you just saying that youre looking into it?
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<gr33n7007h> lenswipe, looking into it? think I've nearly got it
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<lenswipe> gr33n7007h, oh? grats! what was it?
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<gr33n7007h> recreated new app activated mobile phone to twitter account regenerated apikeys SORTED :)
<lenswipe> ah
<lenswipe> did you ever find out what the problem was?
<lenswipe> was the API key invalid or something?
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<gr33n7007h> lenswipe, no access level was read only
<gr33n7007h> Can now tweet from cli sweet :)
<lenswipe> ah
<lenswipe> yeah, nice
<lenswipe> just commmited #lol #4f4 #like4like #hurrdurr
<lenswipe> :p
<gr33n7007h> :P
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<gr33n7007h> just found a gem called t looks interesting
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<gr33n7007h> t gem is awesome for twitter cli
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<The_NetZ> you guys'll never guess what I got runnning :D
<bricker`LA> a blister on your heel
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<The_NetZ> bricker`LA: lol, no. I got ruby 2.1.2 running on windows :D
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<bricker`LA> amazing
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<The_NetZ> rubyinstaller for it won't work as of my last check, only thing i dislike about it is its dependent on the ms c runtime dll :/
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<kireevco> hi all, new to ruby. Quick question to mature rubyusts. Why would you choose ruby over python?
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<jimbauds> python bite, ruby shine! Haha!
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<jimbauds> !google python vs ruby
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<OffTheRails> I would use ruby over python for any web development
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<The_NetZ> kireevco: my experience previously led me to believe that getting the latest ruby on windows was a bit of a pain, compared to doing so on python.
<jimbauds> ruby have block .. python don't
<jimbauds> this is a really nice feature
<The_NetZ> kireevco: but, with the recent discovery of msys2 this is no longer an issue. and yeah, blocks are awesome.
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<dont-panic> I just started learning ruby on rubymonk. I think its great that you can do things like stuff.each{|i| i % 2 == 0 ? store << i : next } <-- that crap is awesome
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<The_NetZ> yep. heck, groovy has that too :P
<The_NetZ> closures
<dont-panic> if you have problems with ruby on windows, use linux
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<dont-panic> well... if your a developer... use linux
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<The_NetZ> yeah, lol.
<The_NetZ> But, I do want to support windows too.
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<dont-panic> Other than for gaming, I can only really use windows in a vm
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<The_NetZ> heh. only gaming I do on windows is pcsx2 :P
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<dont-panic> is 2.1.2 very different from 1.9.1/3?
<The_NetZ> hrm. I dunno.
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<OffTheRails> have a look at a change list
<dont-panic> I'm going to have to learn to start using that version control dealio
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<OffTheRails> git?
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<The_NetZ> git is awesome
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<dont-panic> awesome is awesome too
<The_NetZ> isn't awesome a window manager?
<dont-panic> yeah. its the bees knees... and head and body
<dont-panic> etc
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<dont-panic> awesome + tmux + vim = ideal setup
<OffTheRails> + zsh
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<dont-panic> OffTheRails: I keep seeing people using that, is there a main difference between zsh and bash?
<OffTheRails> + tmuxinator
<OffTheRails> oh my
<The_NetZ> zsh is awesome
<OffTheRails> zsh is like extended bash
<OffTheRails> lots of plugins
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<The_NetZ> bash++
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<dont-panic> hmmm... I'll have to look into that. I generally stick to bash since its pretty much everywhere in unix
<dont-panic> part of the reason I'm learning ruby. I only know bash like the back of my hand and ruby seems like a good language choice
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<The_NetZ> ruby is pretty cool
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<OffTheRails> bash works, but there's no harm in spoiling yourself with your dev environment
<dont-panic> if you use rails, do you end up having to use other web dev languages alot with it? like javascript/jquery?
<OffTheRails> depends on application
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<OffTheRails> but generally, yes
<OffTheRails> modern web development makes heavy use of JS
<dont-panic> I've noticed that
<dont-panic> maybe I'll get back into js after I'm done mucking about with ruby
<OffTheRails> you'll likely use it through coffeescript if you're on rails
<OffTheRails> which is a ruby-like language that compiles to js
<The_NetZ> I'm just glad to have a non-cygwin set of *nix tools on windows now :P
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<dont-panic> its sad, but one of the biggest reasons I don't feel like finding a new job even though I'm underpayed is b/c I get to use linux here
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<dont-panic> if I had to use windows for work, I'd probably install linux in a vm and have that fullscreen most of the time
<OffTheRails> haha... yeh, that's what I'm doing as we speak
<The_NetZ> dont-panic: hell, get me a job, lol.
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<The_NetZ> I'll work underpaid if I can use *nix :P
<dont-panic> I only make 13 an hour
<OffTheRails> that's not bad for a salary
<OffTheRails> what responsibilities?
<OffTheRails> junior-mid-senior?
<The_NetZ> shit I'd love 13 an hour working on *nix :P
<dont-panic> tech support for proprietary software
<dont-panic> I work on Proofpoint's L1 team
<OffTheRails> tech support is horrendous. find yourself a programming job
<OffTheRails> easier said than done, I know
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<dont-panic> That's really what I want. I'm just concerned that I'm not where I'd need to be for that
<OffTheRails> it's difficult if you're self-taught
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<dont-panic> and there are virtually no tech jobs where I live b/c competition is toughhh
<OffTheRails> you can always do some freelancing on the side to build up experience
<dont-panic> I'd love a junior ruby/rails dev position
<dont-panic> tech support kind of sucks b/c theres no real clear career upgrade path
<OffTheRails> sometimes you gotta make sacrifices for your career. might be worth relocating
<dont-panic> I'd love to relocate lol
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<OffTheRails> I think *nix tech support is the pinnacle of tech support
<dont-panic> the economy is horrendus here
<OffTheRails> I cannot fathom windows tech support
<dont-panic> yeah, I was told our L1 team is more like any other supports L2 team
<dont-panic> I fix centos sendmail filter servers all night
<dont-panic> for fortune 50-500 customers
<OffTheRails> so you have an intimate idea of a few pain points of those customers?
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<dont-panic> its great, but the level of knowledge for the payoff is way out of wack
<OffTheRails> go build something for them
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<dont-panic> hmmm, didn't think of that
<OffTheRails> maybe there is a tool, library, service you could build that would automate/alleviate responsibilities of your job. build that, and sell it to similar companies to what you work at
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<dont-panic> not sure what I would build, but I guess I could look through our request for enhancment tickets and pick something
<OffTheRails> or, as I say, build something for the actual customers
<OffTheRails> yes, definitely. that sounds like a great opportunity
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<OffTheRails> you could even build a system that your company offers as a service to these customers... now they need support for it... you just created a programming job out of thin air
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<dont-panic> OffTheRails: sorry, got a call. Yeah, that's a brilliant idea
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<OffTheRails> glad it's got the cogs turning
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<dont-panic> I gotta do something. This is the only tech job on my resume
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<OffTheRails> how old are you?
<dont-panic> 26
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<OffTheRails> same. do you enjoy programming?
<The_NetZ> heh. I'm shortly to be 26 :p
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<OffTheRails> is that like your ideal career, or are you just thinking in terms of security?
<dont-panic> ]yeah. I've only really been at the programming game for like a year and a half
<dont-panic> idk, I think it would be fun to be a developer
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<dont-panic> my cousin keeps telling me to go for a sales engineer type position, but Idk
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<The_NetZ> I'm doing game dev
<OffTheRails> you're looking at a good 3000-5000 hours of dev time to become competent
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<OffTheRails> of course, that's to be taken with a grain of salt, but I'd focus on getting those hours in as much as pos
<dont-panic> I mean, I know a decent amount about programming. just haven't really applied much of it
<OffTheRails> do you have a background in computer science or software?
<dont-panic> like I'm familiar with perl, python, ruby, bash, awk, c/c++, js and the list goes on, but I haven't really built anything except a few web pages and some bash scripts
<OffTheRails> sales engineering I imagine is quite lucrative
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<OffTheRails> but sales... ew
<dont-panic> nope, just switched from windows to linux 8 years ago and haven't gone back
<OffTheRails> sounds like you have plenty of exposure to programming
<dont-panic> my cousin told me that its important to get a degree by 30
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<OffTheRails> it's not
<The_NetZ> heh. I've only used it for two/three years but I've not looked back as well
<OffTheRails> it's important to build something substantial by 30
<OffTheRails> achievement speaks louder than any piece of paper
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<The_NetZ> dont-panic: lets make an os!
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<dont-panic> I looked into slim os design a bit back, didn't really do anything with it b/c I didn't really know anything about it at the time
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<dont-panic> I'm super ADD
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<OffTheRails> meditate on that shiz
<dont-panic> what do you mean?
<OffTheRails> that'll help relieve ADD symptoms
<dont-panic> like physically meditate?
<OffTheRails> yeh
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<dont-panic> I should. Don't really know how
<OffTheRails> do some research. scientists finally discovered it physically changes the structure of your brain
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<dont-panic> hmmm
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<OffTheRails> typical of the west. it isn't viable until it can be proven by scientific method
<dont-panic> the only person I know who meditates is kinda crazy
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<OffTheRails> one person's crazy is another's sanity
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<dont-panic> I guess
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<OffTheRails> meditation is incredibly simple, and profoundly challenging
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<OffTheRails> simple: 1) stop doing whatever you're doing, 2) focus on your breathing
<dont-panic> that's it?
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<The_NetZ> pretty much, if you take out all the religeous hocus pocus :P
<OffTheRails> when you inevitably lose concentration on your breathing, just slowly bring back your attention to it
<dont-panic> I thought there was more to it that had to do with chacraz or something
<The_NetZ> om mani padme hum :P
<OffTheRails> do that 1000s of times and your mind starts to obey
<jimbauds> focus
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<OffTheRails> but there's all kinds of meditation, "runners high" refers to a kind of meditative state
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<OffTheRails> I'm sure you reach a similar state while reading for a while
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<OffTheRails> on topic: ruby koans :)
<dont-panic> I've been doing those too
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<dont-panic> codewars, rubyquiz, and koans. Doing ruby monk first since that's more of a tutorial
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<OffTheRails> and be sure to read ruby style guide
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<dont-panic> is that as strict as python?
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<OffTheRails> I couldn't say, haven't worked in python much
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<dont-panic> its pretty silly, but I like ruby for 'end'. the syntax of python throws me off sometimes
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<OffTheRails> yeh, not a massive fan of indent-based syntax
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<OffTheRails> coffeescript is like python in that regard
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<OffTheRails> can get messy, especially if you like to space the body of your code
<dont-panic> its cool until you have to track down an indentation issue lol
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<The_NetZ> yeah, the indentation thingus is pretty strange, but hey, all languages have strange stuffs :P
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<dont-panic> I like that some people use #{ and #} to show the blocks in python, but then its practically C
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<certainty> moin
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<tagrudev> certainty, yolo
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<astroduck> Hi, I get "ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension." when i try to do `gem install`. Same for a few gems when I was updating gems. Any way to troubleshoot this?
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<Hanmac> astroduck: what gem do you try to install? and show more of the output
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<gr33n7007h> Is there a quick way to get an array of floats from 1.0 to 20.0 instead of typing them all out?
* gr33n7007h head is puddled
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<apeiros> gr33n7007h: with what diff between each?
<gr33n7007h> ruby 1.9.3
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<dont-panic> 20.times do |i| i << i.to_f ?
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<robwilliamsuk> gr33n7007h (1..20).map(&:to_f)
<dont-panic> or that
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<gr33n7007h> Many thanks your head tends to stop working when you've been up all night :)
<gr33n7007h> Many thanks your head tends to stop working when you've been up all night :)
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<gr33n7007h> apeiros, I've only just got your question I'm that tired
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<astroduck> Hanmac1: Hi, sorry for late reply. I was trying to install jekyll. Here's the error mesage: http://codepad.org/pIv3zvu5
<gr33n7007h> astroduck, sudo apt-get install ruby-dev
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<astroduck> gr33n7007h: It worked! Thanks :)
<gr33n7007h> astroduck, no probs
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<astroduck> gr33n7007h: but first time it installed fine without ruby-dev, it wasn't updating so i tried reinstalling, and then i got this error message. Any reason for this?
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<gr33n7007h> astroduck, not sure tbh
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<Ainieco> hello
<Ainieco> does "each" loads everything into memory at once?
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<apeiros> Ainieco: depends on which each and how it is implemented.
<apeiros> Ainieco: each is just a method
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<Ainieco> apeiros: Array#each
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<apeiros> Ainieco: for Array#each, the array already is in memory, the elements it yields too
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<apeiros> so it doesn't need to "load" anything into memory additionally
<Ainieco> apeiros: ah, it makes sense. sorry for silly question
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<apeiros> since it now makes sense, the silly question did its job ;-)
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<The_NetZ> can ruby compiled without depending on msvcr.dll ?
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<avril14th> Hello, what's the fastest way to create a File from a TempFile?
<avril14th> Fastest in term of IO
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<csmrfx> avril14th: ri IO.write
<csmrfx> not sure what is TempFile
<csmrfx> perhasp you could system, too
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<avril14th> so like File.new.write TempFile.read is the fastest you can get?
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<Veejay> Hi, if I have a ruby program that takes say 100MB of memory and I execute system "some command" from that program, will the subprocess take up the same amount of memory?
<TwinkleHood> Maybe if you remove the locks, and let the system copy it to a file
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<TwinkleHood> It'll expose the filename, and frankly, remove the point of using tempfile over a regular file, but I think it's faster.
<Veejay> Also, I'm looking at a gem called subexec (https://github.com/nulayer/subexec), which apparently uses Process.spawn. If I use that to launch commands from a program, does it solve that problem with memory?
<Veejay> The documentation seems to indicate that Process.spawn is "similar to Kernel#system"
<Veejay> So I guess not
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<csmrfx> avril14th: if you got physical file just backtick / system copy
<csmrfx> Veejay: no
<csmrfx> (not same amount)
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<avril14th> csmrfx: ok, like FileUtils.cp ?
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<csmrfx> ri Kernel.exec
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<csmrfx> ri system
<csmrfx> ^ avril14th
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<csmrfx> but yes, FileUtils would work, too
<csmrfx> perhaps more portable
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<Veejay> csmrfx: What do you mean not same amount?
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<csmrfx> of memory, your question
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<csmrfx> if you exec a system command it does not fork into another ruby process
<csmrfx> afaik
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<Veejay> Isn't it fork/exec?
<csmrfx> it forks
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<csmrfx> but into a clone of your ruby process
<csmrfx> afaik
<csmrfx> but NOT into a clone of your ruby process!!!!
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<csmrfx> look at your terminal memory use
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<csmrfx> the subshell is likely to use similar amounts of memory
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<Cope> what's an elegant way to convert an array of the sort [1,2,3,4,5,6] into a hash of the sort 1 =>2, 3=>4, 5=>6
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<jhass> Cope: Hash[*array]
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<LadyRainicorn> Cope: a.each_slice(2).to_h
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<LadyRainicorn> >> Hash[1,2,3,4]
<eval-in> LadyRainicorn => {1=>2, 3=>4} (https://eval.in/156993)
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<Cope> nice
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<LadyRainicorn> :o
<LadyRainicorn> >> [1,2].to_h
<eval-in> LadyRainicorn => wrong element type Fixnum at 0 (expected array) (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/156994)
<LadyRainicorn> huhhh
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<ij> I didn't do anything and the tests just started failing like this.
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<clodeindustrie> hi there
<clodeindustrie> anyone familiar with def_delegators ?
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<jhass> clodeindustrie: don't try to find the right person for your question, just ask it
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<clodeindustrie> fair enough, I'm
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<clodeindustrie> trying to write a concern that delegates methods to another class
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<clodeindustrie> those methods are returner as an array from a function call
<ij> I solved my issue.
<clodeindustrie> NameError: undefined local variable or method `stencil_class` for Stencilable:Module
<clodeindustrie> this is what I get
<clodeindustrie> it works if I just put an array instead of the function call
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<clodeindustrie> any idea of what could be wrong?
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<apeiros> clodeindustrie: do you see the method "stencil_class" anywhere in your gist?
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<clodeindustrie> oops sorry I meant stencil_caca
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<apeiros> good, in that case:
<clodeindustrie> the error message meant stencil_caca :)
<apeiros> a ) you try to call a method before defining it
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<apeiros> b) you try to call an instance method as a class method
<apeiros> both things don't work
<clodeindustrie> the def_delegator happens before instanciation ?
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<apeiros> def_delegator happens exactly where you wrote it
<apeiros> it's a method call
<clodeindustrie> ok right
<clodeindustrie> so I would need to make it run on initialize
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<clodeindustrie> or make my stencil_caca a class method and define it before the delegation happens
<mikey85> if anyone owns a network server, let's collaborate. Thank you :)
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<apeiros> whatever a "network server" is supposed to be…
<clodeindustrie> of course a "network server"
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<Veejay> csmrfx: Well, I just read it and it doesn't say anything about memory really
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<sandbags> i have someone who brings me networks on a tray, does that count?
<Veejay> Really what I'm wondering is something to the effect of "My program takes 20M of memory, I call system, now how much memory is being used, still 20M or 40M?"
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<LadyRainicorn> Veejay: 20M+whatever the called program uses.
<LadyRainicorn> forking doesn't actually copy memory.
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<crome> why didn I read fucking instead of forking
<crome> confusing
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<LadyRainicorn> Well fucking doesn't copy memory either.
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<LadyRainicorn> That would be a pretty neat feature though.
<crome> you think so?
* LadyRainicorn wants to read a story where you can transfer memories through sex.
<LadyRainicorn> That would have odd implications.
<crome> very odd
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<LadyRainicorn> We'd probably replace school with pedophiles.
<crome> now thats an odd implication
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<LadyRainicorn> Relationships would probably be strengthened a lot.
<LadyRainicorn> Or maybe not.
<crome> Im not sure strengthen is the right word here :D
<apeiros> school for intelligent people would probably get a lot more interesting
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<csmrfx> Veejay: that is for YOU to work out
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<csmrfx> it is YOUR program
<LadyRainicorn> Depending on how it worked, it might create a hivemind.
<csmrfx> YOU need to create the tests, benches, reports
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<LadyRainicorn> My original thought was every time you fuck all memories, knowledge, and abilities are absorbed bidirectionally.
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<crome> LadyRainicorn: sorry about accidentally bringing up the matter
<crome> seems like I got you set up for the rest of the day
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<LadyRainicorn> lol
<apeiros> prostitution would also be a quite an interesting job with that I guess…
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<crome> you just need to have sex with someone if you want to know what they know
<crome> pretty much like absorbing the soul of someone you eat ;>
<apeiros> also poor presidents and other secret holders :D
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<LadyRainicorn> haha yes secrets wouldn't be a thing.
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<apeiros> oh yes, they would be
<jhass> hm, wouldn't childs automatically inherit everything of their parents?
<apeiros> along mandatory castration, I'd guess
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<LadyRainicorn> jhass: I don't see why, unless broken arms.
<apeiros> in a world where there are "no" secrets, an actual secret can be invaluable
<mbuf> when multiple library gems are installed on a system, and an application requires just the name of the gem, how does it determine which version to use?
<crome> but there would be a real benefit in boning as many people as you can
<dangerousdave> I have an AWS database instance for my production application. Within the instance, I have a single database. Is there any naming convention for DB instance and database?
<crome> regardless of sex, eheh
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<LadyRainicorn> Yes, maybe.
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<LadyRainicorn> Most of the world is connected in a sex network, so most skills and factual knowledge would probably be ubiquitous.
<LadyRainicorn> Though it depends how it works.
<LadyRainicorn> I guess people probably wouldn't be able to retain all the information.
<crome> we should draft the specification
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<LadyRainicorn> Yes.
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<crome> deciding what to have for lunch is such an exhausting task on a friday
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<LadyRainicorn> What's the first food you thought of when I asked this question?
<crome> burger
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<apeiros> I guess I should get something for lunch too
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<LadyRainicorn> crome: Have that.
<crome> I had one last night
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<rghose1> hey guys, any idea how to obtain cookies when coding a omniauth strategy ?
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<byteoverfl0w> help
<jhass> no question, no help
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<professor_soap> hello
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<professor_soap> how do I get the size of a string in bytes?
<jhass> .bytesize
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<mbuf> when multiple library gems are installed on a system, and an application requires just the name of the gem, how does it determine which version to use?
<professor_soap> jhass: thx
<jhass> mbuf: unless run under bundler it should use the latest version available
<sandbags> hrmm... wonder if that's a bot, someone popped up in #clojure and just asked "help" with no response, as well
<mbuf> jhass, okay
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<crome> LadyRainicorn: I chose japanese :D
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<LadyRainicorn> Japanese food is yummy. :3
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<ddv> mbuf: it will pick the newest installed version
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<mbuf> ddv, jhass thanks!
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<Veejay> csmrfx: You're right I guess. Thanks.
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<kilk_> new version of super cool game :) https://github.com/kolyan1981by/monop3
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<katlogic> kilk_: The AI in https://github.com/kolyan1981by/monop3/blob/master/player/bot_brain_buy.rb looks like fun problem indeed
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<katlogic> I imagine monopoly AI problem is more like chess (ie simulate turns ahead) than markets simulation (which is really hard), since everyone has information on everyone and resource limits are known beforehand.
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<kilk_> i will upgrade ai
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<apeiros> kilk_: oh, wow, you actually built an AI enemy?
<apeiros> could do something like RRobots where you pit people's AIs against each other :)
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<kilk_> yea, my bots are very smarts
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<kilk_> a bt later i will add new factors and they will became undefited, gigi
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<xxneolithicxx> hi all, does Net::HTTP automatically maintain session as long as the instance isnt destroyed or would I have to do something extra to get it to maintain the session?
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<xxneolithicxx> *trying to do scraper that will login to a site and then collect some data, want the login session cookies to be retained across page GET requests.
<jhass> have a look at the mechanize gem
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<doug_> I know this is a long shot. ANyone using the ruby mongo driver with SSL support?
<pvbraga> Hey sup
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<pvbraga> Just wondering, my company builder has a open job for RoR programmer (full Stack or part time). We are situated in Sao Paulo - Brazil. No problems to work with people from another country remotely. See the job description here: http://www.hirefive.com/jobdetails/1 You can also recommend someone! Thx
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<DaniG2k> pvbraga: full stack or part time? lol I like that
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<j_mcnally> hehehe
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<Hanmac> havenwood: who time?
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<havenwood> yes, who time then on mon going to canadia! :O
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<Hanmac> let me guess, you want to spend the 5 days of summer there, ne? ;P
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<havenwood> Hanmac: aye :)
<havenwood> Ottowa
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<wmoxam> Hanmac: we've already had 5 days this year
<wmoxam> I guess that means winter is coming
<havenwood> wmoxam: brace yourselves
<Hanmac> xDDDD
<ponga> hii
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<wmoxam> sunny 23c today and all weekend ;)
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<Hanmac> in germany its only a real winter when the snowplows are not driving any more
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<doug_> Anyone here using the ruby mongo driver, with ssl?
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<doug_> :(
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<xybre> I've used the mongo driver a couple years ago, but not with SSL.
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<timgauthier> wewt
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<timgauthier> its 15*c with a high of 22°c today
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<Jello_Raptor> Is there a good way to add a
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<xybre> 1 + a
<jhass> "" << a
<Jello_Raptor> dependancy to every rake task?
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<jhass> Jello_Raptor: why don't you just add toplevel code to your Rakefile?
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<Jello_Raptor> I'd like to make every task dependant on the rakefiles themselves, so I don't have to go touching everything whenever I want to test changes to my build
<Jello_Raptor> also, har har :P
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<jhass> I'm not sure I get what you want...
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<Jello_Raptor> jhass: i want to make rake treat the "rakefile.rb" as a dependancy to every task, without having to add it manually.
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<jhass> that's the solution you think you need, not your problem
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<Jello_Raptor> jhass: I don't want to have to force rake to execute a task, when the only thing that's changed is the rake file.
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<wallerdev> good morning
<wallerdev> rubyers
<Jello_Raptor> morning :)
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<wallerdev> dang
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<wallerdev> your name sounds delicious
<segfalt> good morning (afternoon here)
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<wallerdev> where do you live segfalt
<ponga> apparently my nick is a name of fish
<segfalt> NH, USA
<wallerdev> very cool
<segfalt> yeah it's not bad :) where are you from?
<wallerdev> california
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<wallerdev> although i grew up in michigan
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<wallerdev> moved here a few months ago
<segfalt> for work?
<wallerdev> yeah
<wallerdev> good job market in san francisco
<wallerdev> nothing in michigan besides insurance haha
<segfalt> i get so many job recruiters from SF
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<segfalt> but it is so expensive :)
<wallerdev> yeah it is expensive here
<segfalt> boston tech is up and coming, so I live off that.
<wallerdev> i still make more here even after the expenses than i did in michigan though
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<wallerdev> and i get to be around all the tech so thats cool :)
<segfalt> i think in 5 years there will be so much remote work it won't matter where you live
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<wallerdev> i worked remotely for my last job
<eam> people were saying that 5 years ago, and 5 years before that
<segfalt> yeah?
<wallerdev> gets lonely assuming youre working from home
<wallerdev> at least it got that way for me
<eam> remote hires are usually salary adjusted to their region
<wallerdev> yeah that too
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<wallerdev> they dont have to pay you higher
<segfalt> what's wrong with that
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<eam> what's wrong with lower salaries?
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<segfalt> if they match lower costs
<segfalt> im saying
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<eam> yeah generally they don't
<segfalt> ah
<segfalt> ok
<segfalt> good to know
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<eam> the thing is, living expense is variable -- so if you cut 10% from your cheap place to put into savings it's a much smaller number than 10% on an expensive place
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<eam> tech salaries in any region are enough to go pretty far into the luxury category
<eam> a lot of people don't live at the fullest extent of their means
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<eam> if you're going to put in a decade of working and saving you'll walk away with a lot more in your pocket if you do it in a high income / high expense region
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<segfalt> "a lot of people don't live at the fullest extent of their means" -- I'd argue that too many people live outside their means, but maybe not in tech.
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<eam> well you're right, perhaps I should say that if you're a person who will work and build wealth, you'll build a lot more wealth faster in a high income/expense area
<segfalt> indeed
<eam> if you're not, well, financial advice is probably irrelevant :)
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<segfalt> hahaha
<segfalt> I have too many friends that do not listen to financial advice.
<eam> I'm sure we all do :)
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<RubyPanther> I guess that is because programmers suck at math
<segfalt> I suck at math for sure.
<segfalt> I have computers to do math for me
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<claudiop> Hi. Can anyone here help me with rvm? How should it be made a system-wide command? Installing with "curl -L get.rvm.io | bash -s stable" is installing but not making the alias to the commands
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<timgauthier> what, shevy isn't here!?
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<jhass> claudiop: it's not recommended to install rvm system wide unless you know what you're doing
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<Hanmac> segfalt: http://coub.com/view/3dmapwlh "i am looking at my bits... my leg is math!" ;P
<havenwood> claudiop: RVM recommends not using system install unless you know how umask works. Are you trying to provide Ruby to multiple users or something else?
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<claudiop> I need to set RoR for nginx, thats why i'm setting systemwide
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<havenwood> claudiop: i'm surprised that arch doesn't recommend the aur ruby
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<claudiop> havenwood: Maybe because there is no rvm in aur... https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=rvm&do_Search=Go
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<claudiop> I don't know why (i am not great at ruby, im just a random newbie) but its quite hard to find ruby packages in arch, as opposite to python and the other languages
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<jhass> claudiop: I recommend a reverse proxy with unicorn or puma started by a systemd unit and if you need older rubies chruby and them from the AUR
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<havenwood> claudiop: there's a chruby in the AUR ;)
<havenwood> claudiop: rvm != ruby
<havenwood> claudiop: installing for dev or production?
<the_f0ster> Trying to find all the files in my dir that arent' plists.. starting with something like this, but havne't quite figured out the rgex, Dir[File.join(path, '**/*.^plist*')] ?
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<havenwood> claudiop: what jhass said ^
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<jhass> the_f0ster: Dir[] takes glob patterns, not regexs
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<claudiop> jhass: I need to use nginx this time. I got a quite low limit on RAM and at least unicorn isn't quite RAM friendly.
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<AntelopeSalad> claudiop: puma is very memory efficient
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<jhass> and nginx is a good reverse proxy too
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<the_f0ster> jhass: I see, i saw the docs said you can do set negates, like ^[xyz]
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<the_f0ster> but i just need something like ^(xyz)
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<eam> the_f0ster: you can just read the whole directory and regex if you like
<claudiop> So you guys are suggesting me to run puma on some random port and to reverse-proxy from nginx to it? Can it fit under 200MB RAM with no load?
<havenwood> claudiop: unicorn or puma are nice alternatives to passenger and you don't need a Ruby switcher if you aren't switching Rubies
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<robclancy> so I am using dm-observers with datamapper and they work fine locally but when on the server (thin) they are not doing a thing, as if at runtime the monkey patching or whatever goes on isn't working
<robclancy> any ideas?
<eam> that's essentially what a glob does anyway
<the_f0ster> eam: will that be recurisve? i have a hack fix like, reject{|f| /plist/.match(f)}
<the_f0ster> on the reuslts of glob
<havenwood> claudiop: give it a try, yeah if memory is a cap then puma over unicorn
<havenwood> claudiop: nginx ftw
<eam> the_f0ster: you can do what you like - if you read the full list recursively and then regex after
<havenwood> claudiop: threading just has less overhead than process preforking
<AntelopeSalad> claudiop: if you have it all working with passenger i'd just worry about getting rvm to work, but puma/unicorn+nginx is very solid if you don't mind experimenting until you figure out how it all works
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<jhass> claudiop: the base footprint of the appservers won't be what eats your memory there, it's more about the app you'll be running
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<claudiop> havenwood: To be honest i understand almost nothing about gems. Im quite new to ruby and im struggling to find out how not to pollute the system since it is a production system. I'll quit the rvm/passenger thing to try puma then
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<claudiop> jhass: At least when i tried to run gitlab it eaten 700Mb with no load, on unicorn
<havenwood> claudiop: unicorn, rainbows!, puma, thin and passenger are all good Rack webserver options
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<AntelopeSalad> doesn't gitlab also spawn a sidekiq worker?
<havenwood> claudiop: rvm is a tool that has the functionality of chruby, chgems, ruby-install and then some
<jhass> claudiop: does your app use bundler?
<havenwood> claudiop: do you need to switch Rubies? if not, no need to consider chruby vs rvm vs rbenv for a Ruby switcher.
<havenwood> claudiop: nginx is great as a reverse proxy, use that
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<havenwood> claudiop: there are multiple good options with a bevy of differences for a Rack webserver
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<claudiop> All of there are tools which i know close to nothing. Im really newbie at ruby, last time i tried something was early 2013, since then i've become a pythonist :(
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<claudiop> I just need a simple rails server
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<claudiop> But since it is a production server, i need to be careful
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<claudiop> It is mostly for tests, i'll chroot it if needed
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<jhass> so if it's rails, your app most likely uses bundler, so just bundle install --path vendor and you won't pollute the system
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<claudiop> jhass: There is not such thins as "my app", i want to make a setup to learn it, but since its a production system i need to take this care.
<claudiop> Right now i know nothing about rails
<havenwood> claudiop: you can: bundle --deployment
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<claudiop> heavenwood: Ok, doing it right now. I'll try to keep this as simple as possible
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<claudiop> havenwook: Is it safe to run as root?
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<havenwood> claudiop: Rails is a Rack framework gem. Rack is a gem. Unicorn, Thin, Puma and Passenger are Rack webserver gems. Gems all the way down...
<havenwood> Bundler is a gem.
<havenwood> claudiop: yeah, for system installs you'll need su/sudo
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<jhass> not really
<havenwood> claudiop: you can do system or user gem installs
<jhass> on arch you can get bundler via ruby-bundler from the AUR
<havenwood> jhass: that advised?
<jhass> I'd say so
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<jhass> that way you can keep the system wide installed stuff tracked by pacman
<jhass> and bundler can install the per application gems into a local directory without any conflicts
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<claudiop> I've already done so. Now bundler told me to use bundle and bundle --deployment tells me "Could not locate Gemfile"
<jhass> well, that of course have to be run in a rails app
<claudiop> jhass: So i must "gem install rails", and set a rails environment first, right?
<AntelopeSalad> why not just do a system wide install but then have a user own the rails app, then hook it up with systemv/monit|runit|etc
<jhass> claudiop: no, normally you'd pull the already developed app from a repository
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<havenwood> claudiop: bundle installs gem dependencies
<havenwood> claudiop: dependencies are specified in the project root dir folder called "Gemfile"
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<xxneolithicxx> hi all, is there a way to detect whether a ruby file is being run as a script from the command line vs being included by another ruby file similar to how Python allows 'if __name__ == "__main__"' ?
<claudiop> jhass: But there is no app
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<jhass> claudiop: then it's hard to deploy it
<Mon_Ouie> __FILE__ == $PROGRAM_NAME
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<claudiop> havenwood: And setting up a rails project creates that file, correct?
<Hanmac> or $0 for short
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<jhass> claudiop: correct
<Hanmac> claudiop: why not asking at #rubyonrails for rails problems?
<xxneolithicxx> Mon_Ouie: thx
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<claudiop> jhass: Then before doing anything else i should just make such an "app" locally with brick? Is it the procedure?
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<claudiop> Hanmac: Sorry, you're correct, better do so
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<jhass> claudiop: it's at least closer to a real scenario
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<claudiop> jhass: I though i could do this like php, editing things in real-time. Well, i'll not spam this channel anymore with rails questions, thanks for your help ;)
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<Rylee> what's the current idiomatic ruby mysql driver?
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<crome> mysql2 is the shit unless you want to use things like prepared statements
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<havenwood> mysql2
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<Rylee> it seems like what i'm looking for is sequel
<havenwood> Rylee: pg :P
<havenwood> s/my/postgre
<atmosx> User process pids are saved... where exactly in unix systems? :-P
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<crome> sequel is a lot more than a mysql client library
<atmosx> $HOME/.some_dir/pid /tmp/pid ?
<eam> atmosx: they aren't saved in the filesystem
<havenwood> Rylee: sequel is a great db toolkit and can use mysql2
<segfalt> mysql2 doesn't support prepared statements?
<atmosx> eam: ah ram
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<eam> atmosx: the interface for working with them is somewhat different between unixes. On linux, there's a virual filesystem in /proc
<crome> segfalt: nope
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<havenwood> atmosx: varies by os/distro, which os?
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<atmosx> eam: I'm using this approach for a script, but now I'd like to make a gem and I don't know... I'm using myproc = Process.detach(job); sleep #{time};Process.kill('INT', myproc.pid)
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<atmosx> havenwood: ah, anything other than windows... It's running under OSX/FreeBSD now
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<atmosx> I see
<atmosx> I could create a $HOME/.prog-name/pid and save it there, but just for it's an overkill.
<atmosx> and write code for every os is out of question
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<eam> atmosx: what exactly do you want to do with the pid?
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<atmosx> nothing, save it in order to kill it
<atmosx> to kill the process etc.
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<jhass> so you want to read it in later? in a different/restarted ruby script?
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<havenwood> atmosx: depending on what's needed, another option is to set the process title that ps(1) can then see
<havenwood> atmosx: kill by title rather than pid
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<eam> or allocate a resource, and then use that resource to identify the process
<eam> like open a file or a socket
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<toretore> atmosx: killing it is a very heavy-handed way of dealing with it
<toretore> what is the functionality you're trying to create?
<havenwood> it dying?
<havenwood> :P
<toretore> hah
<eam> sigint doesn't necessarily terminate anything
<atmosx> sorry guys, I should say what I wanna do... I'm writing a script that catchers a stream and saves it to an mp3 file. The process takes 2 to 5 hours depending on date etc. Now I'm using cron and I just detach the process.
<atmosx> I thought the 'right way to do it' would be to save the pid and kill it later, but I'm probably wrong. Judging from your questions
<toretore> why do you want to kill it?
<jhass> systemd timers! :P
<atmosx> toretore: I'm evil
<eam> atmosx: if it has the output file opened, you can get the pid from that
<atmosx> eam: I do now.
<toretore> atmosx: real answer?
<toretore> i don't see why you'll want to kill it
<atmosx> toretore: ah no no, I want to stop the process :-) I'm killing via Process.kill how else would I do it? :-)
<toretore> but why?
<toretore> whyyyyyy
<atmosx> how would you exit?
<atmosx> wait
<toretore> it is the most important question
<toretore> why
<eam> toretore: it sounds like a fairly standard cleanup routine
<toretore> a process should exit by itself
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<toretore> if it's a long-running process, it whould be signalled (sigint is one way) to stop
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<havenwood> >> Signal.list.keys
<eval-in> havenwood => ["EXIT", "HUP", "INT", "QUIT", "ILL", "TRAP", "ABRT", "IOT", "FPE", "KILL", "BUS", "SEGV", "SYS", "PIPE", "ALRM", "TERM", "URG", "STOP", "TSTP", "CONT", "CHLD", "CLD", "TTIN", "TTOU", "IO", "XCPU", "XF ... (https://eval.in/157124)
<toretore> ok, so you are actually expecting a sigint in your process
<toretore> i don't see why that script needs to fork though
<atmosx> okay so no forking
<atmosx> you're right it's not needed
<atmosx> detach and then using EXIT?
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<atmosx> to stop it?
<toretore> it depends
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<toretore> if you're always going to record for x minutes, just have it stop by itself
<toretore> you can check the time in between reads
<toretore> break if Time.now => stop_time
<toretore> or resp.close or whatever
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<toretore> i don't know how well that works with cron though, i don't use it much
<eam> speaking of, what's the story behind alarm() not having a good implementation in ruby?
<havenwood> eam: what should alarm do?
<eam> havenwood: schedule a sigalrm
<havenwood> Hanmac: ha
<eam> alarm(2) is a pretty good description of what it does
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<eam> it's conspicuously absent from ruby and Timeout is ... interesting
<havenwood> ah setitimer(2)
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<eam> havenwood: yes
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<havenwood> eam: i've used timers, which seems pretty nice: https://github.com/celluloid/timers
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<havenwood> eam: provides a nice interface to hitimes gem: https://github.com/copiousfreetime/hitimes#readme
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<frem_> How do you get the class of an object as a constant? use case: https://gist.github.com/jamesgecko/2286baaa68777d638012
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<eam> havenwood: yeah, there are a lot of various timer implementations, it's just odd that ruby hasn't ever had a well supported alarm call
<jhass> frem_: self.class::MY_CONSTANT
<havenwood> frem_: just MY_CONSTANT
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<eam> it's usually one of the basic things you'd expect to find in Kernel for example
<havenwood> oh
<frem_> thanks jhass, havenwood. Was having a hard time finding that on google. :)
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<eam> I only ever use it on oneliners or throwaway code
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<bmurt> hey guys/gals, i was attempting to install the 'mail' gem, but it looks like i have a conflict with the mime-type gem because of two versions being installed
<bmurt> is there a way to track down how the first one was installed?
<bmurt> nevermind, its mechanize
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<lewix> How do i git clone with svn
<crome> checkout
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<jhass> git svn clone svn://
<jhass> :P
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<lewix> jhass, oh sweet
<lewix> its pretty much like git
<tobiasvl> it ... it is git
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<lewix> tobiasvl, nope clone does not work
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<jhass> lewix: it should: git help svn
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<jhass> but as crome said, svn checkout if you want to use it directly
<makerop> is there a fuzzy way to call include? on a set?
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<jhass> makerop: what do you mean?
<lewix> i want the equivalent of git clone repository
<makerop> I have a set that includes "test", "test1"
<tobiasvl> lewix: git svn clone repository
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<lewix> tobiasvl, why git svn
<lewix> im using svn
<makerop> i want to match a *
<tobiasvl> <lewix> How do i git clone with svn
<makerop> ie, a regex or something, but I dont want ot have to build one every call
<eam> who's on first
<lewix> tobiasvl, ok?
<tobiasvl> lewix: what exactly do you want to do here
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<lewix> i want to clone a repository
<lewix> with svn
<havenwood> makerop: what is your desired output?
<lewix> i do not use git
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<tobiasvl> lewix: oh. you said "git clone"
<tobiasvl> svn checkout
<lewix> with git we use git clone
<jhass> >> Set.new(["testa","testb","foo"]).grep /test/ # makerop
<eval-in> jhass => uninitialized constant Set (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/157129)
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<jhass> >> require 'set'; Set.new(["testa","testb","foo"]).grep /test/ # makerop
<eval-in> jhass => ["testa", "testb"] (https://eval.in/157130)
<lewix> tobiasvl, and checkout is to change branch with git - so in svn itd be to clone a repository hmm
<makerop> jhass, that doesnt seem to work for me
<havenwood> makerop: Set includes Enumerable
<makerop> 1 sec
<makerop> let me gist
<havenwood> makerop: whatcha mean it doesn't work?
<havenwood> it works :P
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<tobiasvl> lewix: that's correct, checkout means different things in svn and git
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<jhass> lewix: you've been answered three times now, it's svn checkout, (four now). And this is #ruby, not #subversion
<lewix> oh boy
<lewix> jhass, and youve been wrong three times
<lewix> fours times soon
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<jhass> I've successfully run that command already
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<tobiasvl> lewix: well what if you either explain what's wrong or go ask in #subversion
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<tobiasvl> to "clone" an svn repo, to use git terms with which you seem aquianted, you use "svn checkout URL"
<havenwood> lewix: git --version
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<tobiasvl> lewix: he doesn't use git apparently, he just confused us by saying he wanted to "git clone" an svn repo
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<tobiasvl> and then got angry at us for not being clairvoyant
<tobiasvl> havenwood: ^ sorry
<havenwood> svn? blasphemy!
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<lewix> havenwood, i use it at work ^^
<lewix> tobiasvl, my apologies -
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<makerop> messdata['line'] is a string
<jhass> remove the /
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<jhass> rule['feed_regex'].grep messdata['line']
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<makerop> same output
<makerop> []
<jhass> ah, wait you actually want to interpret it as regex
<makerop> ya
<jhass> rule['feed_regex'].grep /#{messdata['line']}/ then
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<makerop> well, I need it to either be a string, or a regex i guess
<makerop> ah
<makerop> cool
<makerop> k, I tried that, but i used quotes
<havenwood> makerop: so you're tyring to use a glob in place of regex
<havenwood> makerop: `grep /.*/` matches all, why do it?
<makerop> havenwood, 99% of use cases, I need to match a the set against a string
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<makerop> but, sometimes, I just need ot "match all"
<havenwood> makerop: aha, so not actually using /.*/
<makerop> right
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<havenwood> makerop: do nothing instead of match all :P
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<makerop> do nothing, is a different case
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<makerop> ie, im spitting out config info, to a bunch of agents via a message buss
<havenwood> makerop: what i mean:
<havenwood> >> require 'set'; set = Set.new(["test", "test1"]); set == set.grep(/.*/)
<eval-in> havenwood => false (https://eval.in/157133)
<havenwood> oh boo
<havenwood> not a set, ha
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<makerop> ya, i get ya
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<havenwood> set.to_a i mean, but you get the point
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<makerop> was trying to avoid two calles
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<havenwood> mm
<makerop> this si a convoluted, web app, feeding config info to a bunch of agents
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<makerop> and the agents, are reading stuff off an amqp message buss
<makerop> bus*
<makerop> le['feed_regex'].grep(/#{messdata['line']}/).any?
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<makerop> that should be just fine
<havenwood> makerop: do you like AMQP? how's working with it?
<makerop> we are using rabbitmq specifically
<makerop> but it's okay
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<makerop> we are doing like 5k msg/second
<makerop> and ruby is handling it just fine
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<makerop> in irb, it seemed to work
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<jhass> you miss the #{} again
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<makerop> gosh dang
<makerop> ty
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<KLVTZ> Completely new to Ruby, is viewing nil as ruby's version of returning null, a proper view? In other words, I understand that nil means a score of zero but nil is actually less than zero. It's really nothing. Therefore, is it proper for me to interpret the nil staye
<KLVTZ> interpret nil as null?
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<jhass> yes, nil is rubys null, though unlike null in most languages it's a real object nonetheless
<jhass> it's used to mark the absence of another language, you can still call methods on it though
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<jhass> er, *another value
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<KLVTZ> jhass: interesting. I did not know nil is, in itelf, an object
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<jhass> everything in ruby is an object
<KLVTZ> jhass: thank you for explaining this!
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<happytux> hi
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<KLVTZ> jhass: kinda like JS haha xD
<happytux> How can I configure Rake that it terminates a task when a task-dependency fails?
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<happytux> Because currently Rake happily continues even when a dependent task failed.
<happytux> *dependent o
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<happytux> *dependent o
<happytux> *dependent on
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<happytux> sorry
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<happytux> anyone?
<happytux> :)
<happytux> There isn't so much Rake documentation I must say.
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<frem_> happytux: you might have to do that manually. rake is pretty small.
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<happytux> frem_: OK, how can I do this manually? The rake task in question invokes an executable. When the executable fails (return code), how can find this out and fail the task?
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<frem_> happytux: I know about as much as you do here. My first stop would be rake's github repo.
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<segfalt> happytux: You just want a rake task to execute a command and bail on non-zero?
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<segfalt> happytux: sh('my-command') should do it.
<jhass> happytux: did you try run command?
<jhass> like run "pandoc ..."
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<happytux> segfalt: trying...
<happytux> jhass: I use system('...')
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<jhass> try the run method
<happytux> frem_: right. If I got more time I would go through the code and it is surely worth it.
<happytux> jhass: oh
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<KLVTZ> So i tried ri in ubuntu and it says nothing is found.
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<KLVTZ> I then check my gem list and its empty except rdocs
<happytux> jhass: thanks, it works
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<KLVTZ> what's really weird is I've been using gems for Guard on my system as well as compass
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<jhass> KLVTZ: depending on how you installed ruby you may need to generate docs or install an additional package for them
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<KLVTZ> jhass: would you know why all my gems went missing?
<KLVTZ> jhass: im not versioning ruby or anything like that
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<jhass> probably hit a different gem or your $GEM_HOME/$GEM_PATH changed, impossible to say with that little info
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<KLVTZ> jhass: for gem path its '/'
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<KLVTZ> i went into .ruby and i have 1.9 and 2.0
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<jhass> see, that sounds wrong already
<eam> how do I achieve perl -0x000 in ruby? -000 isn't what I want
<happytux> jhass: NoMethodError: undefined method `run' for main:Object
<happytux> jhass: hm
<jhass> happytux: it's a rake method only available inside rake tasks
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<jhass> eam: it may help to describe what that does...
<eam> I want to set the input record separator to zero
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<eam> I think that's still $/ in ruby?
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<happytux> jhass: yes, I use it inside a rake task
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<jhass> probably, one of that cryptic things
<jhass> happytux: did you try sh then?
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<eam> jhass: eg echo fooAbarArecords | ruby -0101 -ne'puts $_'
<eam> except 0x00 instead of "A"
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<happytux> jhass: I will try sh now
<eam> perl has a hex mode that bypasses the paragraph split magic in the octal form, but I don't see that in ruby
<happytux> jhass: however, this will require the sh binary, right?
<jhass> eam: -0[octal] specify record separator (\0, if no argument) ?
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<jhass> happytux: I guess it does require a /bin/sh, yeah
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<cyro> does anyone know why `helper.distance_of_time_in_words_to_now` would work in development in a rails app and not in production
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<jhass> cyro: #rubyonrails
<cyro> jhass: sorry
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<toretore> eam: eww
<eam> jhass: ah I missed that, just -0 for \0
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<eam> I know -000 is magic paragraph mode
<eam> and -00 doesn't work, for some reason
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<eam> toretore: it's uglier to do it in shell commands :P
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<eam> I just always use -0x00 in perl and was surprised to see it missing in ruby
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<timgauthier> what is -0x00, also this isn't pearl no more eam ;)
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<timgauthier> You aparently cant googlesearch -0x00
<shevy> sounds like a number
<eam> toretore: hex instead of octal, octal expression has some magic baked in
<shevy> >> 0x00
<eval-in> shevy => 0 (https://eval.in/157166)
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<shevy> see timfoo! it is a 0!
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<eam> and it's still pretty much just perl, bro
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<shevy> does perl have blocks
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<eam> perl's blocks are way cleaner actually
<wallerdev> lol
<eam> there's none of this weird proc/lambda-ness
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<eam> and they've been scoped properly since the 90s
<shevy> so how do you yield a block to a function in perl?
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<eam> shevy: $code->()
<shevy> that looks like a regular OOP call in perl
<eam> my $lambda = sub {}
<eam> shevy: it is
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<eam> if ruby were like perl you'd say code = def {}
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<shevy> what is that
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<eam> there's no distinction (and it's real weird how there is in ruby, honestly)
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<toretore> it clashes with some of the other rubyisms
<toretore> that's why
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<wallerdev> blocks are pretty
<shevy> wallerdev perl has blocks
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<wallerdev> blocks are special
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<eam> perl has blocks, closures, lambda, etc
<eam> DSLs
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<segfalt> perl has blocks?
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<toretore> blocks are just syntax sugar
<bean> why is there a perl circlejerk going on in here.
<shevy> perl has everything
<KLVTZ> What's the best way to start from scratch with ruby on ubuntu? Like uninstall ruby and gems.
<shevy> bean perl has blocks apparently
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<bean> shevy: right but why do we care?
<shevy> KLVTZ ok, have you already decided to eliminate this?
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<toretore> KLVTZ: what do you have installed now?
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<shevy> bean dunno, ask eam :D
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<segfalt> toretore: Everything is just syntax sugar :-)
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<eam> shevy: you're the one who asked if perl had blocks
<KLVTZ> ruby 1.9.3 --i think it was a default install in ubuntu
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<toretore> KLVTZ: use something like rbenv
<shevy> eam haha true
<bean> eam: so are you just in here to talk about perl
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<shevy> eam I completely forgot that :)
<shevy> I have flash memory guys
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<KLVTZ> i just want to start over with ruby because something went wrong, my gems are missing
<eam> bean: no I came to ask about the -0 arg in ruby
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<shevy> what is -0 ?
<eam> it sets the input record separator
<shevy> I mean I know $0 but not -0
<toretore> it's an ugly perlism
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<eam> thus the topic sprawl into perl
<bean> "man ruby"
<shevy> ohhh... then perhaps it is $/ input record separator
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<toretore> ruby's shameful perl legacy
<eam> shevy: right
<KLVTZ> so...I'll use a version manager next time
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<segfalt> Ruby has BEGIN and END too.
<segfalt> Discuss
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<shevy> KLVTZ yeah or! you could try to compile from source :D
<eam> toretore: it's the best part of it honestly, super powerful for short text processing jobs
<segfalt> :)
<KLVTZ> that's why i want to uninstall ruby completely witth the gems
<shevy> segfalt yeah awful features, use several .rb files and several BEGIN END in these
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<eam> the ... operator
<toretore> eam: which nobody uses ruby for, except for those accustomed to perl
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<shevy> ack
<segfalt> eam: The best part of ruby is not that is has crufty awk and perl like behavior :(
<KLVTZ> shevy: i don't care, whatever works. But i just want to remove the damn thing. It all good but when i try and remove it, it says not not found
<eam> segfalt: way disagree man
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<eam> there's huge utility in scaling a language down to super simple text processing tasks
<bmurt> 2.0/usr/lib/ruby/2.0.0/net/smtp.rb:586:in `connect': SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv2/v3 read server hello A: unknown protocol (OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError)
<eam> no one wants to write a half page of code to split fields out of a text file
<shevy> KLVTZ ok probably the simplest way is to then remove it via apt; via RVM I assume installation might be easier for you, though I personally use the source wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.2.tar.bz2
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<bmurt> im attempting to use the mail rubygem, i've set the openssl verify to none, but i dont know why the unknown protocol is being created
<shevy> rvm is here https://rvm.io/ there are also some other ways, like... ruby-install and some more
<shevy> ruby-install should be here https://github.com/postmodern/ruby-install
<KLVTZ> apt is complaining ruby isn't found
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<toretore> eam: ruby isn't used much as a glue language like that
<segfalt> KLVTZ: I'm late to the party but what are you trying to remove?
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<KLVTZ> could i just use rvm then later remove ruby since it will version it ?
<shevy> KLVTZ hmmmmm didn't apt itself install ruby?
<toretore> it's more common to write a ruby program that handles everything
<KLVTZ> segfalt: im trying to remove ruby and gems. I'm going to start from scratch with rvm
<shevy> KLVTZ, well the problem is, RVM installs into your home; the ruby you have may be at /usr/bin/ruby so then you have two ruby binaries
<eam> toretore: eh, not sure that's true. I see ruby -e all over in places where I used to see perl -e
<segfalt> KLVTZ: I would not remove your Ubuntu Ruby install, just install RVM in your local account.
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<toretore> eam: but it's still ugly
<shevy> KLVTZ if you really want to do it the hard but simple way, remove in /usr/bin these files: irb ruby ri rdoc
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<shevy> oh
<KLVTZ> shevy: yes! current ruby is at /usr/bin/ruby
<shevy> and also /usr/bin/gem
<eam> toretore: least ugly alternative
<toretore> eam: the whole reliance on this sort of stuff in unix is ugly
<eam> text processing is rarely elegant
<KLVTZ> shevy: and then install rvm?
<shevy> and then, in /usr/lib/ <-- ruby OR in /usr/local/lib/ruby (it may be there )
<shevy> KLVTZ yeah
<combusean> is rubygems down for anyone else in AWS?
<toretore> eam: it shouldn't be text processing at all
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<eam> toretore: what?
<segfalt> combusean: Just used it ~5m ago from us-east-1.
<toretore> eam: it should be a proper format with structure
<KLVTZ> alright. off i go
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<KLVTZ> let's see how this will work
<shevy> KLVTZ hmm debian may also have /usr/bin/ruby1.9 - I recommend that you also run a ls *ruby* there just in case
<eam> toretore: I gotta live in the real world man
<eam> shoulda woulda doesn't launch products
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<toretore> eam: yes, i'm talking about the real world
<toretore> which sucks
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<bean> segfalt: pst, his us-east-1 is not the same as your us-east-1
<combusean> segfalt, we're in us-west-2a
<segfalt> bean: What?
<toretore> stupid unix scripters with their unparseable text formats
<segfalt> Don't confuse regions with availability zones.
<toretore> grep awk sed nightmares
<bean> segfalt: right right, im sleepy.
<eam> toretore: that's exactly why I tell people to just use ruby -e instead of all that old crap
<segfalt> :-)
<toretore> eam: but it's still the same
<segfalt> combusean: Ah, I'm not using us-west-2 in testing, so maybe?
<eam> the nice thing about ruby -e is you can easily refactor it into a proper tool with grown-up language structures if it becomes anything but a one-line throwaway
<havenwood> KLVTZ: which `ruby` and `gem` are currently selected with update-alterantives?
<combusean> this is one of those I need to take lunch problems. lol
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<havenwood> KLVTZ: if you want to remove the apt-get installed packages, use apt-get to do it
<toretore> eam: if you're in control of the input and output already it should be structured from the start
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<eam> toretore: we can agree to disagree, perhaps we're solving different problems
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<toretore> these hacky scripts tend to live much longer than you plan
<segfalt> eam: toretore: In my experience, bad throw away solutions stick around for decades and becomes headaches for dozens of future engineers.
<KLVTZ> havenwood: errr well i tried apt-get but just purging ruby doesn't work
<shevy> segfalt use ruby!
<toretore> segfalt: exactly
<eam> segfalt: are you afraid someone will scrape it out of .bash_history?
<eam> the entire point is that it's not a script
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<segfalt> I suppose not, but I assumed we were talking about things that wind up in scripts.
<segfalt> My mistake.
<toretore> i'm amazed that unix systems don't actually crash much more frequently than they do
<havenwood> KLVTZ: RVM or chruby won't care about your system Ruby. It can just stay there unless you particularly want to nuke it.
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<eam> nah, but what I'm saying is like, you spend 30 seconds typing out a command to filter out fields, then maybe you say "I wish this was a script"
<KLVTZ> havenwood: i like nuking things xD
<toretore> it's like having a web service that is based on html scraping
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<eam> well if you started with ruby -e it's easy to clean up and toss in a proper format
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<eam> if you started with grep|awk|cut ... bleh
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<eam> plus, why remember multiple syntaxes?
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<eam> fyi, in this particular case all I wanted was: ruby -0 -ne'puts $_ if /TERM/' /proc/$$/environ
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<eam> doesn't strike me as ugly at all ...
<segfalt> I never did learn perl -e isms.
<eam> they are VERY useful
<segfalt> How does if /TERM/ work?
* KLVTZ nuked everything. feels better
<shevy> it uses some default segfalt
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<toretore> eam: useful != good
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<shevy> in ruby something similar works
<shevy> but it looks ugly
<eam> toretore: stop trollin' buddy
<segfalt> It's a bit confusing, because in a script, if /TERM/ would be true, always.
<eam> shevy: that *was* ruby
<shevy> eam if /TERM/ works in ruby?
<eam> shevy: run it?
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<shevy> why would that work
<segfalt> it sets a magic variable to the value of each line
<segfalt> and if knows about it
<segfalt> i guess
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<shevy> #archlinux :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
<eam> shevy: // matches $_
<shevy> :(
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<shevy> that was it!
<shevy> $_
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<eam> -n reads input separated by the input record separator and puts each record in $_
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<eam> it's not something you'd do in a proper program but in a quick single command you need a convention for stuff like this and it works ok
<segfalt> meanwhile in irb: # =(irb):1: warning: regex literal in condition
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<segfalt> I guess it's that sort of dichotomy of behavior that rubs me the wrong way.
<segfalt> Though it does seem awfully convenient :)
<eam> I mean, you'd never do this in a proper program
<eam> but the entirity of the commandline is basically just bastardized syntax from proper languages
<shevy> segfalt irb behaves different in a few aspects
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<shevy> *differently
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<shevy> bastardized syntax
<shevy> is that your description of perl
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<eam> if you want to be technical, ruby is the bastard child of perl, not vice versa
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<eam> perl would be the child of awk, C :)
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<Hanmac> eam: i think often that ruby is python's evil twin sister ;P
<KLVTZ> for some reason, while nuking everything it appears that i somehow was switched from ruby 2.0 to 1.9 --there was literally multiple versions of ruby running rampant on my system
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<KLVTZ> i never versioned it because i thought to live a little dangerous
<eam> python was adopted and doesn't fit in
<segfalt> Hanmac: They don't have a lot in common, ancestrally.
<KLVTZ> shows what happens when i don't use version management
<havenwood> KLVTZ: sudo update-alternatives --config ruby
<segfalt> ruby is like... smalltalk+perl
<KLVTZ> havenwood: too late xD
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<KLVTZ> nuked
<eam> I like to say that ruby is perl7
<havenwood> KLVTZ: or are using version management but don't realize it :P
<KLVTZ> but thanks, ill remmebrr that!
<segfalt> There is far too much about ruby that is drastically different than perl.
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<KLVTZ> havenwood: no i would know that rvm is installed
<KLVTZ> im not that naive haha
<eam> segfalt: there's some, but there are far more similarities
<havenwood> KLVTZ: i mean update-alternatives
<segfalt> eam: Beyond syntax?
<shevy> KLVTZ hmm
<havenwood> KLVTZ: which you can use out of the box to switch between debian ruby packages
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<eam> segfalt: I think you'd be surprised how similar they are
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<shevy> KLVTZ I can understand you had one from /usr/bin/ruby but where did you have the other one from? there can only exist one file at location /usr/bin/ruby
<toretore> ruby -e'puts STDIN.read.split("\x00").grep /TERM/' reads much better to me; no magic
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<KLVTZ> they where versions, like ruby1.90 and ruby2.0 in the same bin folder
<dRbiG> has anybody got across a need for String.wrap? I did... i.e. 'quote me'.wrap('\'')
<eam> toretore: that slurps the whole file though
<havenwood> KLVTZ: i'd still be curious what you get under `update-alternatives --config ruby` and `update-alternatives --config gem`
<eam> toretore: but agreed, perfectly ok way to do it if your input isn't large
<KLVTZ> you know what, i don't really care why this happend, like i said i just find it odd ubuntu decides to switch versions
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<eam> toretore: I wish ruby IO objects let me set the record separator on a per-object basis
<eam> I don't think that's possible?
<eam> (should be!)
<KLVTZ> havenwood: i don't have ruby installed any longer which will throw an exception as no folder would be found
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<KLVTZ> havenwood: if i run into this again, i willd def. make a note for you :)
<shevy> KLVTZ ah ok, this usually comes from debian - only debian likes to version like that
<havenwood> KLVTZ: you can use `update-alternatives` to select the one you want, or opt out of the system packaged Ruby and go RVM, chruby, rbenv, or even just ruby-install to /usr/local/ if you want one Ruby only.
<segfalt> I don't really think IO has a responsibility to understand "record separators", eam.
<segfalt> Sounds like a useful class, though, and one easy to write.
<eam> segfalt: well how do you think IO#each works?
<shevy> though I am a bit confused that debian has a ruby1.9 and a ruby2.0 all at the same time...
<segfalt> True. :(
<KLVTZ> shevy: yeah it confuses me as well
<toretore> eam ruby -e'puts STDIN.each("\x00"){|l| break l if l =~ /TERM/ }'
<KLVTZ> shevy: starting out, its a bit overwhelming but not really since i use ruby for other projects
<shevy> yeah
<KLVTZ> im just starting to dive into pure ruby as a side project
<eam> toretore: neat :)
<havenwood> shevy: well, it provides a way to switch between them at least
<shevy> havenwood like RVM!!!
<shevy> I am on 1.9.x something right now again by the way
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<havenwood> shevy: not over 20,000 lines of bash :P
<KLVTZ> quick question while i have your attention, when i used rvm back in ubuntu 13.04, i remember i had to sudo ever rvm call when install gems
<eam> toretore: now if only there were a nice macro to remove the repetition of commonly typed sequences for onliners like that!
<KLVTZ> it had to do with how i installed rvm
<KLVTZ> that i do know
<havenwood> shevy: just does one little thing
<KLVTZ> i wonder how i can combat that next time
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<KLVTZ> or actually combat that today xD
<segfalt> KLVTZ: If you install RVM as a user, that doesn't happen.
<segfalt> If you install RVM to the system, it does.
<KLVTZ> so...no sudo?
<havenwood> KLVTZ: RVM advises to do a user install not a system install.
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<havenwood> KLVTZ: rvm channel in #rvm is helpful
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<segfalt> KLVTZ: No need for sudo when writing to ~/.gems right?
<toretore> eam: if it's a one-time thing you're doing in the terminal, that's ok, but if it gets saved to a file..
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<eam> toretore: I agree!
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<KLVTZ> ill install it as user.
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<KLVTZ> thanks guys for all your help!
<KLVTZ> appreciate it
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<eam> toretore: someone convienently, command line args don't translate well to #! scripts due to inability to properly parse
<eam> ^somewhat
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<eam> so there's little danger of that sort of thing making it into actual programs
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<happytux> jhass: also using sh doesn't work. Hm, could it be that the invoked command doesn't return a failure code?
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<jhass> maybe, try puts $? afterwards
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<JokesOnYou77> Hi all
<NoobNeedHelp> Hey! Guys. I need some help. I'm having trouble installing Rails on Mac
<JokesOnYou77> If I do $ gem update --system "someversion" does that effect other rails apps I have on my machine? Is there a way to undo it?
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<recurrence> my capistrano seems to be using its' own ruby. How can I tell it to use my current ruby?
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<Sou|cutter> "Hey, Capistrano? Use my current ruby, please!"
<slash_nick> <Capistrano> no
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<Sou|cutter> "But I used the magic word!"
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<Sou|cutter> (sorry, it's been a long day)
<recurrence> someone replied privately with set :default_environment :)
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<slash_nick> strange... wonder why theyd reply privately
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<NoobNeedHelp> I'm getting some kind of fetch error while installing rails. "ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::RemoteFetcher::UnknownHostError) no such name (https://api.rubygems.org/quick/Marshal.4.8/thread_safe-0.3.4.gemspec.rz)" I tried googling, but nothing helped!
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<bwarlick> is to_a getting deprecated?
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<Sou|cutter> I don't think so? where did you get that idea?
<bwarlick> this crazy guy sitting next to me in my office...
<Sou|cutter> I'd be interested if he has a source
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<ari-_-e> no, it is not
<ari-_-e> what would it be replaced with?
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<Sou|cutter> maybe he's confused because he doesn't understand the difference with to_ary
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<shevy> no
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<shevy> I think there were talks about that, or some warnings, a few years ago
<Hanmac> bwarlick: to_ary means i can be array like, to_a means return an array ... compare it with to_str and to_s
<shevy> perhaps he is still using 1.8.x though hahaha
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<TeresaP_> The Cucumber channel is silent, so I thought I would try over here since we are writing Cucumber code in Ruby. Anyone know if there an easy way to exit immediately (and successfully) from a 'then' statement?
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<stephenmac7> Is it possible to add an alias to a method?
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<xybre> wat
<xybre> What are you trying to do?
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<stephenmac7> Rename select as filter
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<stephenmac7> It's a name ingrained in my memory, along with foldl
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<axl_> Hey guys, I have a question about BasicObject
<xybre> Ah I see. Yeah you can alias methods.
<axl_> If “BasicObject is the parent class of all classes in Ruby. It's an explicit blank class.” why don’t i get a ‘BasicObject’ returned when i do something like this: https://gist.github.com/gaganawhad/0ef3fd1e56d79dfea03c
<toretore> why would you?
<jhass> axl_: the class of a class is Class and Class is a Class too
<toretore> thikn about what your code is doing
<gr33n7007h> axl_, superclass
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<axl_> I am guessing that all classes should somehow inherit from ObjectClass
<axl_> so at somepiont i should be able to reach it calling the ‘.class’ method s/
<axl_> ?
<xybre> Class does
<xybre> But its still of class Class
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<xybre> BasicObject's class is Class also
<jhass> >> [1.class.superclass.superclass.superclass.superclass, 1.class.superclass.superclass.superclass.superclass.superclass]
<eval-in> jhass => [BasicObject, nil] (https://eval.in/157198)
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<xybre> But the instance methods of BasicObject are inherited by Module which is the superclass of Class.
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<axl_> jhass: got it.
<axl_> I should be calling superclass
<axl_> thanks guys!
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<gr33n7007h> >> class BasicObject; def foo; puts 'foo'; end; end; 1.foo; "".foo; [].foo; {}.foo
<eval-in> gr33n7007h => foo ... (https://eval.in/157199)
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<Sarco> Hello, I am doing the Ruby on rails tutorial here: http://www.railstutorial.org/book/static_pages and as you can see I am in the third chapter. I copy/pasted the listing of 3.1 in my Gemfile and tried to run 'bundle install --without production' resulting in the following error: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/3zcOoGMEdQLrUyhf0txT/ Then I ran 'bundle update' and everything went smooth but as you can see in the tutorial right above the listing
<Sarco> of 3.1 I should have a file called secret_token.rb in /config/initializers/ and not a secret.yml which I found in /config/. I checked the version with rails -v and it says rails 4.0.5, what am I doing wrong here?
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<Sarco> I will try turning it off and on again thank you
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<^conner> I want to do some mock filesystem testing with a bunch of fixture data (in the mocked filesystem). Does anyone know of a pre-existing gem that's something like fakefs + loading fixture data for you?
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<beneggett> Is there an XML equivalent of JSON.pretty_generate (http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/json/rdoc/JSON.html#method-i-pretty_generate)?
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<beneggett> actually, i think i can accomplish what I want to with active support's to_hash method
<beneggett> to_xml method rather..
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<benzrf> >> 'foo'.empty?
<eval-in> benzrf => false (https://eval.in/157215)
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<benzrf> how can i tell where ive been redirected from in sinatra
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<benzrf> is that even possible
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<shevy> good question
<benzrf> ughuhughughu
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<benzrf> hmmm
<shevy> I found an example how to do a redirection
<shevy> get '/' do
<shevy> redirect "http://example.com"
<crome> benzrf: the referrer is your only option really
<crome> if there is one
<benzrf> crome: it doesnt set it for redirects?
<benzrf> maybe
<shevy> redirect '/login', 303
<crome> it does not need to be set upon redirect
<crome> but browsers might just do it
<benzrf> they dont
<benzrf> afaict
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<shevy> what are you building with sinatra benzrf?
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<crome> the new facebook
<shevy> lol
<benzrf> shevy: your demise
<shevy> omg
<shevy> what did I do
<benzrf> ;)
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