#ruby on 2014-06-06 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-05-09 04:44 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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00:00 <lenswipe> superscott[8], actually it wont scale that much because im on the free tier of heroku

00:00 <superscott[8]> O_o

00:00 <lenswipe> what?

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00:02 <happytux> shevy: hm, but using Rake as a build tool is legit? Or should I abandon it completely?

00:02 * happytux is in doubts now.

00:03 <superscott[8]> happytux: rake as a build tool is radical.

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00:03 <happytux> superscott[8]: radical?

00:03 <happytux> superscott[8]: so it is too simplistic

00:04 <superscott[8]> happytux: what? no, it's awesome. american slang - rad, short for radical, meaning awesome.

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00:05 <happytux> ok

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00:05 <happytux> superscott[8]: Because first I used ant, then I switched to rake and I hope that I don't have to switch to another tool again.

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00:05 <happytux> Well, there is also thor. But it is more for console applications and less a build tool.

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00:06 <superscott[8]> rake is just the *nix make, written in ruby.

00:06 <shevy> happytux no idea; all I know is that whenever I need to do something, I write a method into a .rb file, then invoke that via aliases

00:07 <shevy> for instance, if I am on a fresh system, and I need to create all my custom directories, I type: "idirs" and a ruby script generates the directories, reading out the master yaml file that holds the paths of those directories

00:07 <shevy> and I do that for every task that I ever have, sometimes delegating into classes when the task is more complex

00:07 <happytux> shevy: you mean something like a SCM (e.g. puppet / ansible / chef)?

00:08 <superscott[8]> if you try to use rake in place of any of those, you're going to be in for a lot of work

00:08 <shevy> when tasks are dependent on one another, the class logic resolves it for me

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00:09 <happytux> ah

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00:09 <happytux> shevy: how is this called? Plain Ruby Build script?

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00:10 <thiagofm> how do I read a file in pieces?

00:10 <thiagofm> let's say its over 8gb and my laptop memory is 4

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00:12 <shevy> happytux no, I think you did not understand me. I really could not tell you why I would need any of that, what do they give me what I need to have and what I can not solve with calling my own .rb files?

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00:13 <shevy> happytux well you have -r switches to ruby to load your .rb files and via -e you can call specific methods in these

00:13 <happytux> ah

00:13 <shevy> so I have one master .rb file that will delegate towards the other .rb files

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00:14 <thiagofm> how do I read a file part by part in ruby? in my case the file is bigger than my memory

00:14 <shevy> it helps me avoid having to write .sh scripts

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00:14 <shevy> thiagofm why not via File.open().each ?

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00:15 <shevy> something is wrong with my internet again...

00:15 <thiagofm> shevy: it opens the whole file if I use file.open

00:15 <shevy> I can talk on IRC but webpages don't get loaded

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00:15 <shevy> thiagofm really?

00:15 <shevy> hmm

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00:16 <shevy> how about .foreach then

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00:16 <shevy> need to reboot

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00:17 <thiagofm> shevy: doesn't work

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00:21 <shevy> test

00:21 <lagweezle> potato

00:22 <shevy> weird...

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00:42 <pontiki> hi, rubyists o/

00:43 <shevy> hey pontiki

00:43 <shevy> ready to do evil?

00:43 <pontiki> always

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00:45 <emsilva> I'm getting evil done to me all day long

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00:46 <pontiki> you have minions?

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00:47 <shevy> I am weak feeble and without any slaves

00:47 <emsilva> A few. They are all yellow and have glasses

00:47 <shevy> emsilva you have to write php to get food on the table?

00:47 <emsilva> shevy: On Microsoft Windows Notepad

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00:48 <pontiki> Gru!!!

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00:48 <shevy> haha

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00:50 <benzrf> http://eev.ee/blog/2013/03/03/the-controller-pattern-is-awful-and-other-oo-heresy/ <- yall should read this

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00:51 <pontiki> do we really need to go beyond "stop writing stupid classes" ?

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00:54 <shevy> benzrf people who study biology know that since the ancient days; also people who listened to alan kay

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00:54 <shevy> classes are objects too in ruby

00:54 <shevy> and methods are as well!

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00:55 <shevy> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Method.html - class Method !!!

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00:55 <shevy> it's so sad that functions in python need to be told where self is

00:56 <benzrf> RubyPanther endorses writing classes purely for the sake of storing a method !!!

00:56 <benzrf> shaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

00:57 <shevy> well

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00:57 <shevy> I do that sometimes for standalone methods

00:57 <shevy> module Foo; def foo; puts 'hi from foo!'; end; end

00:57 <shevy> because I can't reshuffle the namespace easily otherwise :(

00:57 <shevy> and I still hate that there is a class vs. module distinction in ruby

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01:41 <RubyPanther> well, if you only have one method it doesn't cost much to store it in a class. And if you have two methods, you benefit even more.

01:41 <RubyPanther> In the long run it works out better than the Perl technique of storing it in haiku

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01:44 <RubyPanther> I don't question that it is more fun to write haiku than to write Ruby. Reading and understanding it is another matter.

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01:47 <shevy> lol

01:47 <pontiki> ruby is tons more fun

01:48 <pontiki> perl is okay

01:48 <pontiki> but ruby reminds me of all the fun i used to have with lisp

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01:51 <shevy> ewww

01:51 <shevy> the dark past of pontiki

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02:03 <RubyPanther> Somebody should write an rmacs. There used to be a pmacs with Perl instead of Lisp

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02:04 <RubyPanther> That's the next one for when somebody asks for a project to contribute to

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02:05 <RubyPanther> If you think emacs is bloated, it is because you don't have rack buffers in your editor yet

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02:08 <shevy> hmm

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02:53 <noob101> Hello guys.

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02:53 <noob101> If you're wondering where I was, I was at #html and #css. I am doing a project for my potential job. C:

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03:05 <pontiki> nope, we weren't wondering

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03:43 <noob101> pontiki: :(

03:43 <pontiki> sarcasm detector is defective?

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03:51 <noob101> pontiki: Sarcastic smile defector is defective?

03:51 <noob101> pontiki: :P

03:51 <pontiki> nope

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04:07 <RubyPanther> Online sarcasm was deprecated in 1986

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04:41 <ponga> in what situation do you use yield in method

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04:59 <ponga> fuck codecademy sucks

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05:00 <ponga> it tries to babysit too much and lack core explanation :(

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05:03 <mozzarella> what are you learning?

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05:03 <ponga> http://pastie.org/9262968 can anyone explain why it had to have :

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05:03 <ponga> codecademy never explains this and im so disturbed

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05:04 <ponga> mozzarella proc

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05:14 <LadyRainicorn> http://dogeon.org/ <- When will support for this be added to Ruby stdlib?

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05:38 <ponga> I heard that either lambda or proc is outdated in fashion , which one was it

05:38 <ponga> ?

05:39 <Wolland> lambdas are all the rage these days

05:39 <apeiros> hm? neither is. they serve slightly different purposes

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05:39 <ponga> Wolland by rage you mean its on-going?

05:40 <mozzarella> just use stabby procs everywhere

05:40 <mozzarella> >> ->{}.class

05:40 <eval-in> mozzarella => Proc (https://eval.in/159246)

05:40 <Hanmac> Wolland: everyone wants to use the stabby-lambda ... and then wondering why it does not work because they uses to less or to much parameters ;P

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05:41 <Wolland> :)

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05:42 <Wolland> rails 4 switched to use lambdas in scopes cause of lazy loading

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05:42 <Wolland> I think they are awkward

05:42 <Wolland> just like myself

05:43 <apeiros> Wolland: stabby things are lambdas, not procs

05:43 <apeiros> >> ->{}.lambda?

05:43 <eval-in> apeiros => true (https://eval.in/159247)

05:44 <mozzarella> WHY does it use the proc class, then?

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05:44 <apeiros> no idea

05:44 <mozzarella> >> ->{}.proc?

05:44 <eval-in> mozzarella => undefined method `proc?' for #<Proc:0x4077a480> (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/159248)

05:44 <apeiros> >> proc {}.lambda?

05:44 <eval-in> apeiros => false (https://eval.in/159249)

05:45 <Wolland> >> lambda {}.lambda?

05:45 <eval-in> Wolland => true (https://eval.in/159250)

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05:45 <Wolland> it's magic is what it is

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05:46 <apeiros> and as said, proc != lambda. they work slightly different

05:46 <mozzarella> >> lambda {}.class

05:46 <eval-in> mozzarella => Proc (https://eval.in/159251)

05:46 <apeiros> >> lambda {}.call(1)

05:46 <eval-in> apeiros => wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/159252)

05:46 <apeiros> >> proc {}.call(1)

05:46 <eval-in> apeiros => nil (https://eval.in/159253)

05:46 <apeiros> that's one of the differences

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05:47 <Wolland> they are evaluated differently too? at different time?

05:47 <mozzarella> yeah, also what the return keyword does

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05:54 <ponga> lambda looks easier to use , at least to me

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06:02 <ponga> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=ruby%2C%20java%20script%2C%20python%2C%20node.js&cmpt=q　Google Trend seems NewZealand loves ruby language

06:02 <ponga> proud to be from NZ

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06:03 <ponga> or it just is for ruby the gem

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06:03 <fluve> or the song? ;)

06:04 <ponga> ;P

06:04 <fluve> top query is ruby ruby ruby

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07:23 <Macaveli> Is it possible to make this shorter? https://gist.github.com/YOUConsulting/2ef304de377427fb91dc

07:23 <toretore> why do you want to make it shorter?

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07:23 <Macaveli> just trying :)

07:24 <Wolland_> educations misspelled on line 2

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07:37 <Macaveli> Thanks fixed it

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07:39 <Wolland_> you can do it as collect as well

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07:40 <Wolland_> but I think it will be hard to read, this is pretty clear and simple already

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07:48 <Macaveli> Wolland_, I have another question

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07:48 <Wolland_> k

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07:49 <Macaveli> Wolland_, https://gist.github.com/YOUConsulting/7612662a6302002def1c

07:49 <Macaveli> Is it to specify the key and value

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07:49 <Macaveli> in an loop

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07:50 <Wolland_> not sure I get it

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07:50 <Macaveli> ash I think I have it

07:50 <Macaveli> education.errors.messages.each do |key,message|

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07:54 <JohnGrieco> Anyone want to help me understand a change in a commit made in a Ruby Library?

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07:54 <tobiasvl> JohnGrieco: that depends entirely on what you want to understand about it, but feel free to post it

07:54 <tobiasvl> then someone will help if they can

07:55 <JohnGrieco> Its a simple commit change but I am new to Ruby...https://github.com/jlnr/gosu/commit/ffa236191a1f49feebe98a48091c24f3e8ec61c0

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07:56 <JohnGrieco> I understand what it does but not sure how

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07:56 <JohnGrieco> He changed unsigned to int

07:57 <JohnGrieco> What did this do?

07:57 <JohnGrieco> What is int?

07:57 <The_NetZ> JohnGrieco: int is an integer, a positive or negative whole number

07:57 <JohnGrieco> Are these keywords?

07:57 <JohnGrieco> Ahh

07:57 <JohnGrieco> got it

07:57 <The_NetZ> JohnGrieco: unsigned means no +/-

07:57 <The_NetZ> I'd suggest you learn a bit of c/c++

07:59 <JohnGrieco> What was unsigned not accomplishing that int does?

07:59 <The_NetZ> perhaps negative numbers were undesireable.

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08:00 <JohnGrieco> but int is a positive or negative whole number

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08:01 <The_NetZ> exactly. or wait, I misread. Perhaps negatives were desireable :P

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08:02 <JohnGrieco> Do you think that int made the window able to be applied to any pixel resolution?

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08:02 <JohnGrieco> Giving it Macbook pro retina supprot

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08:46 <Hanmac> shevy did you read the newest info about SEO ? currently google is killing it, and they are all whining about that the seo spam links should be removed again (they that placed the links itself want them removed)

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09:43 <Macaveli> I have 3 each loops in each other is it possible to break all ?

09:43 <Macaveli> go out of all the loops

09:45 <toretore> why?

09:46 <Macaveli> toretore, because if an error occurs the rest must not be processed

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09:47 <Hanmac> in case of errors, use begin .... rescue ... end

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09:47 <Hanmac> Macaveli: but show us your code then we might tell you what you think wrong

09:49 <Macaveli> Hanmac, toretore https://gist.github.com/YOUConsulting/46791905ef7de8e05e44

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09:49 <ntzrmtthihu777> Hanmac: sup man o/

09:49 <Hanmac> ntzrmtthihu777: hey!

09:50 <ntzrmtthihu777> found something that makes programming on windows not suck :P

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09:50 <workmad3> ntzrmtthihu777: a reformat and a linux install? :)

09:51 <ntzrmtthihu777> workmad3: heh, I alreay have a triple boot :P

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09:51 <Hanmac> ntzrmtthihu777: last days i was trying to add some features to wx itself ... but i did fuckup some code and when i start the app, the Xorg did crash ;P ... but only when i try to debug it with gdb ;P

09:51 <ntzrmtthihu777> and yes, I'll agree thats a very good solution, if you intend to only target linux :P

09:51 <ntzrmtthihu777> ouch.

09:52 <ntzrmtthihu777> why can't everyone just agree to `#define SIZEOF_VOIDP sizeof(void*)` ?

09:52 <ntzrmtthihu777> works on anything XD

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09:55 <ntzrmtthihu777> also, having some issues with ruby on windows; when win32.h gets included, I get alotta missing struct errors

09:55 <ntzrmtthihu777> http://sourceforge.net/p/mingw-w64/mailman/message/28515556/ << this bug

09:56 <Macaveli> Hanmac, toretore https://gist.github.com/YOUConsulting/46791905ef7de8e05e44

09:56 <Macaveli> tell me what's wrong :)

09:56 <Hanmac> ntzrmtthihu777: i manage to reduce it ... its a problem in clientdata manager that when you add new data the old one is deleted ... but there is currenty the problem that the data get somehow invalid, so deleting might not work

09:57 <Hanmac> Macaveli: i am right that you currently try to parse xml/html with that? if yes why not use a gem for that?

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09:57 <Macaveli> Hanmac, i'm validating my user input

09:57 <Macaveli> It's a complex story

09:58 <Hanmac> scream-case like "QUESTION_ID" for methods? thats only for constants ?

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10:03 <Macaveli> Hanmac, it's just this -> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s389/sh/e0254929-9873-4e1c-b408-998b5814ffda/8cd23a4e562fd8b0fca933bdd80ecf71

10:04 <Hanmac> hm i am stll thinking that there is some xml inside of that

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10:04 <Macaveli> I think it works well with break now :)

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10:05 <Hanmac> Macaveli: surveys.select{|a| a == questionnaire_id}.first => surveys.include?(questionnaire_id)

10:06 <Macaveli> Hanmac, thanks man ! will try it

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10:06 <Macaveli> I can clean up even more

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10:08 <Macaveli> Hanmac, can you write something like this cleaner without the "!" -> https://gist.github.com/YOUConsulting/899b874d76b1597bfb93

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10:09 <ntzrmtthihu777> Macacity: you don't like bang methods?

10:09 <Hanmac> Macaveli: "if !surveys" => "unless surveys"

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10:10 <Macaveli> ntzrmtthihu777, what is a bang method?

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10:18 <shevy> Macaveli a method that ends with a !

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10:37 <ntzrmtthihu777> Macaveli: to elaborate, a bang method makes changes to an object in-place, instead of producing a copy with changes added.

10:38 <ntzrmtthihu777> array.sort will create a copy of array that's sorted; array.sort! will modify array itself.

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10:39 <canton7> not always. a bang method should only exist if there is also a "non-bang" equivalent. In this case, the "bang" variant is the one that's more susprising, or with which more care should be taken

10:39 <ntzrmtthihu777> canton7: yeah. just giving an example :P

10:40 <canton7> the point is that bang methods don't always mutate, and mutation can happen in non-bang methods

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11:09 <shevy> BANG BANG BANG!

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11:15 <ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: Feuer Frie!

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11:19 <shevy> hehe

11:19 <shevy> Feuer Frei ;-)

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12:08 <avril14th> Hello, is there a way to show all methods of a ruby object that inherit from a given module / gem ?

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12:08 <avril14th> something like object.methods.select{ |o| o.module == Devise }

12:09 <shevy> def foo; ::Kernel::eval 'local_variables.inject({}){|h,v| k = v.to_s; h.merge!(k => eval(k)) }', self

12:09 <shevy> avril14th hmm yeah there was a way

12:09 <shevy> all I remember is that you have to pass (false) to it

12:10 <shevy> but I forgot the name of the method

12:10 <shevy> object.class.instance_methods(false)

12:10 <shevy> I think?

12:10 <shevy> >> puts 'test'

12:10 <eval-in> shevy => test ... (https://eval.in/159421)

12:11 <shevy> >> module Foo; def foo; end; class Bar; include Foo; def yo; end; end; foo = Foo.new; p foo.class.instance_methods(true)

12:11 <eval-in> shevy => /tmp/execpad-814b72a1c3db/source-814b72a1c3db:7: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/159422)

12:11 <shevy> ack

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12:11 <shevy> >> module Foo; def foo; end; end; class Bar; include Foo; def yo; end; end; foo = Foo.new; p foo.class.instance_methods(true)

12:11 <eval-in> shevy => undefined method `new' for Foo:Module (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/159423)

12:11 <shevy> man

12:11 <shevy> >> module Foo; def foo; end; end; class Bar; include Foo; def yo; end; end; foo = Bar.new; p foo.class.instance_methods(true)

12:11 <eval-in> shevy => [:yo, :foo, :nil?, :===, :=~, :!~, :eql?, :hash, :<=>, :class, :singleton_class, :clone, :dup, :taint, :tainted?, :untaint, :untrust, :untrusted?, :trust, :freeze, :frozen?, :to_s, :inspect, :methods, ... (https://eval.in/159424)

12:11 <shevy> oops

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12:13 <shvelo> >> puts "wow"

12:13 <eval-in> shvelo => wow ... (https://eval.in/159425)

12:13 <shvelo> lol it's cool

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12:28 <Parham> I'm new to Ruby and would like to play an OGG file. I've found the ruby-ogg package on Github, but it has a read_packet function that gives me a string representation of each packet in the OGG file. How can I play this packet?

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12:30 <canton7> you've given yourself a tricky first project :P

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12:32 <Parham> canton7: Oh really? Ouch. :D

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12:33 <canton7> audio/video is almost always a bit tricky, whatever the language

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12:33 <Parham> canton7: What I'm going for is a (seemingly) easy thing. I want my application to alert me with a sound at the thirtieth minute of every hour to take a break! :-) So I can go with other formats if OGG is tricky?

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12:34 <shevy> the chances of many people knowing .ogg here is low

12:34 <Hanmac> Parham: you can look at ruby-gnome2 package there might be somewhere the gst (Gstreamer) components, there should be a sample how to build a music player

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12:35 <canton7> Paradox, just spawn off something else to play the sound (mplayer, mpg123, etc)

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12:36 <Parham> Ah. Thanks everyone. I'll look around and if all that you've suggested fails, I'll just go with canton7's suggestion as the last resort.

12:37 <shevy> I am confused

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12:37 <shevy> I am looking at ramaze.rb

12:37 <shevy> it has:

12:37 <shevy> module Ramaze

12:37 <shevy> and then a bunch of requires

12:37 <shevy> but isn't that the same as doing requires outside of a module anyway?

12:38 <shevy> like:

12:38 <shevy> require 'foo'; module Foo

12:38 <shevy> is equal to:

12:38 <shevy> module Foo; require 'foo'

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12:41 <vmoravec> shevy: It is

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12:42 <vmoravec> shevy: but sometimes you want to customize the required features and call them at special points in code. However this doesnt seem like that.

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12:48 <Hanmac> shevy & vmoravec for sample one of my stuff has require inside functions ... like when it should parse data, and then detect that the data is base64 & bz2 compressed it load the needed stuff from stdlib

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12:57 <happytux> Why is there a '!' after exit?: or exit!(1)

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13:02 <Hanmac> happytux try to read the Docs: `ri exit!` => "Exits the process immediately. No exit handlers are run. "

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13:12 <happytux> Hanmac: Why do they use an exclamation mark? Is it often used in Ruby? Some kind of modifier/practice?

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13:13 <Hanmac> happytux: because there is a exit method too that is slighty different from exit!

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13:15 <Hanmac> happytux: "Initiates the termination of the Ruby script by raising the SystemExit exception. This exception may be caught." ... "Just prior to termination, Ruby executes any at_exit functions (see

13:15 <Hanmac> Kernel::at_exit) and runs any object finalizers (see ObjectSpace::define_finalizer)."

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13:17 <eam> happytux: the exclamation mark is just convention, it's somewhat inconsistently applied to methods that might be destructive

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13:18 <eam> sometimes (but not always) it means a method modifies its receiver

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13:19 <eam> sometimes (but not always) it means the method does something you just generally should be concerned about

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13:20 <riton> hi channel, I'm a real beginner with ruby (I need to use it to develop puppet modules). I'm from the perl world and I'm trying to understand how namespaces work for classes. I'm trying to segment my code in multiple classes each in subdirectories but I'm face to a "constant" error as described here :: https://gist.github.com/riton/925ffdef90af8a921b2a/98502ee79713c4685acc5afd80f4aa907b699fed. Modifying my code as in https://gist.github.com/riton/925ffdef90af

13:20 <happytux> eam: so method names are allowed to contain exclamation marks.

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13:20 <happytux> eam: So I could name a method hi! and put arbitrary logic into it?

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13:22 <Hanmac> happytux: yeah methnames can have ? too like "hi?"

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13:24 <happytux> ah

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13:27 <happytux> Hanmac: so alphanumeric characters method names are allowed and exclamation and question mark.

13:28 <workmad3> happytux: you can also use just about any UTF8 character in method and variable names too

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13:28 <Hanmac> >> def ð; "delta"; end; ð

13:28 <eval-in> Hanmac => "delta" (https://eval.in/159469)

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13:28 <workmad3> happytux: which has lead to some interesting errors being asked about on IRC where someone has managed to copy-paste a utf8 non-breaking space into some code...

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13:35 <etqqkoiflwhb> anyone, is there a convention on line length when documenting with RDoc?

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13:42 <Mon_Ouie> It doesn't matter to RDoc since it's going to reformat each paragraph. So no more so than there is for general Ruby code. I tend to stick to 80 in both cases.

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14:00 <Macaveli> I do this to read my active record https://gist.github.com/YOUConsulting/5a82eeb02a5e47f9bf70 the database "alias" value is "Example" and the search alias is "example" is it possible to search active record not looking at upper or lowercase?

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14:02 <Hanmac> Macaveli: #RubyonRails

14:02 <Macaveli> shit you are correct active record is rails

14:02 <Macaveli> mybad

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14:07 <etqqkoiflwhb> #Mon_Ouie: thanks

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14:32 <riton> hey, no one could help me with my question of classes namespaces :-) ?

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14:35 <hoelzro> riton: you're requiring the subclass file before the superclass is defined

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14:35 <jhass> riton: you require response.rb before Dsmadmc is defined, thus you get that error, changing it to class Dsmadmc; class Response makes sure to define it before trying to access it, the second class Dsmadmc ind dsmadmc.rb then just reopens that already defined class

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14:39 <riton> okay, gotcha. So my solution could be also to do something like this "class Dsmadmc ... require 'dsmadmc/response'" (to require the dsmadmc/response class within Dsmadmc class body ?

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14:39 <riton> is this the right way to do it ?

14:40 <jhass> you wouldn't require it within it but after it's defined and it would save your issue

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14:41 <jhass> the two more common approaches are to define the namespace each time or to have a centry entry point that does nothing but the require's

14:41 <jhass> *solve your issue

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14:43 <riton> jhass: you mean like I did in https://gist.github.com/riton/925ffdef90af8a921b2a/5e8a290efce5586a8a4144035d830caef8357abc ?

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14:43 <riton> class Dsmadmc ; class Response ; end ; end

14:43 <jhass> yes, class Dsmadmc; class Response, not class Dsmadmc; class Dsmadmc::Response

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14:44 <riton> ok

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14:45 <riton> thanks

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14:56 <ntzrmtthihu777> can one compile ruby from source without making the rdocs?

14:57 <Hanmac> did you try --disable-install-rdoc ?

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14:58 <ntzrmtthihu777> Hanmac: yeah, I figured something like that existed but I didn't know about it

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14:59 <happytux_> So for using a TLS nodejs module, one has to compile it first with openssl?

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14:59 <happytux_> anyone?

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15:16 <dvxam_> exit

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15:17 <Robbo`> anyone here use the rugged gem?

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15:18 <ntzrmtthihu777> ?anyone

15:18 <ntzrmtthihu777> dang :P

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15:20 <havenwood> Robbo`: yeah, folk use it

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15:21 <Robbo`> more looking for someone who can help with it lol

15:21 <Robbo`> docs are very lacking and I am getting weird results

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15:22 <t4nk461> hello

15:22 <t4nk461> is there someone who could help me with one exercise

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15:23 <havenwood> t4nk461: have a Gist showing what's going on?

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15:24 <t4nk461> anyone?

15:24 <havenwood> don't ask to ask, just ask

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15:27 <t4nk461> ive sent you a pm

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15:27 <dideler|work> t4nk461: ask in public

15:28 <t4nk461> so this is where i stuck

15:28 <t4nk461> Add an if/else statement inside your .each. if the current word equals the word to be redacted, then print "REDACTED " with that extra space. Otherwise (else), print word + " ". The extra space in both cases prevents the words from running together.

15:29 <t4nk461> and this is what i wrote so far

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15:29 <t4nk461> puts "Enter word: " text = gets.chomp puts "Enter 2nd word: " redact = gets.chomp words = text.split(" ") words.each do |letter| print letter end

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15:30 <havenwood> t4nk461: i'd rename `letter` to `word`

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15:30 <havenwood> t4nk461: if word == redact; print "REDACTED "; else print "#{word} "; end

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15:31 <havenwood> t4nk461: or using the ternary operator: print word == redact ? "REDACTED " : "#{word} "

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15:31 <t4nk461> ill try that now

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15:32 <jhass> did you even try to solve it on your own?

15:33 <havenwood> t4nk461: is Ruby your first language?

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15:34 <Oku711> I'm teaching a ruby class; (using irb, making .rb files, puts/print/gets/string interpolation) today

15:34 <Oku711> can't wait

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15:35 <t4nk461> yes its mine first language

15:35 <t4nk461> and i tried to solve it my own

15:35 <t4nk461> this is what i did

15:35 <t4nk461> words.each do |word| if word != redact print word + " " else print "REDACTED " end end

15:35 <apeiros> Oku711: replace irb with pry. much better ;-)

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15:36 <eam> t4nk461: that's a good way to write it

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15:36 <t4nk461> it still doesnt works

15:36 <t4nk461> i need to print each word from the users text console

15:36 <eam> when you say it doesn't work, what does it do and how does that differ from what you expect?

15:36 <apeiros> Oku711: other than that: have fun! :D

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15:38 <havenwood> Oku711: +1 pry and pry-theme as well for pretty colors

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15:38 <t4nk461> it just prints the first word i entered and redact

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15:39 <t4nk461> i need it to print both words

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15:39 <t4nk461> thanks on your help guys

15:40 <t4nk461> i fixed it now

15:40 <eam> great :)

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15:51 <railzForDaiz> apeiros what happened to the #RubyOnRails channel cant seem to connect to it ?

15:51 <apeiros> railzForDaiz: you need to be registered and authenticated with nickserv to join

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15:51 <railzForDaiz> apeiros ohhh any way to do that or its exclusive ?

15:52 <The_NetZ_> railzForDaiz: /msg nickserv help

15:52 <railzForDaiz> thxa

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15:52 <The_NetZ_> and more specifically /msg nickserv help register

15:52 <railzForDaiz> ;)

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15:54 <dscastro> hi

15:55 <dscastro> is rubyforge down?

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15:56 <riton> does anyone knows how to "mock" a class method (like in https://gist.github.com/riton/8ba6ce22c1f2c0182457, "_load_yaml") using rspec-mock ?

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15:56 <riton> I'm trying to test the "from_yaml_file" function and I don't want to test the YAML loading logic

15:57 <apeiros> riton: uh, that's bad code.

15:57 <apeiros> File.open(file, 'r') # <-- don't do that

15:57 <riton> first day of ruby :-)

15:57 <apeiros> at the very least use block-form

15:57 <apeiros> better yet, just do: content = YAML.load_file(file)

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15:58 <apeiros> riton: good, then you learn that one early! ;-)

15:58 <riton> ok

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15:58 <apeiros> riton: File.open(path) do |stream| …do something with stream… end # this form ensures the file is really closed, even in case of an error

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15:58 <riton> ok, same as "with open()..." in python :-)

15:59 <apeiros> because `do … end` is a block, that's called "the block form"

15:59 <riton> ok

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16:00 <riton> in the code I posted, I just want to mock the "_load_yaml" class method and leave other methods intact

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16:01 <riton> I've read about double() and methods mocking but I can't figure out the "syntax" for mocking a class method

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16:01 <apeiros> I know how to stub a method, but I don't know rspec-mock

16:01 <apeiros> so can't help you with that, sorry :-(

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16:02 <riton> apeiros: how would you stub a method ?

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16:03 <riton> (I'm just starting, so not linked to any mock framework yet)

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16:03 <apeiros> backup = Credentials.method(: _load_yaml); def Credentials._load_yaml(*); do_my_bidding!; end

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16:04 <apeiros> when you want to reattach the original method: Credentials.define_singleton_method(:_load_yaml, backup)

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16:04 <riton> ohh quite easy :-)

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16:05 <apeiros> that's only stubbing, mind you, not mocking

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16:06 <shevy> Hanmac yeah, you wrote about require in functions (you meant methods right?); but my example was as-is - require's right after a module definition, no functions/methods at all

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16:24 <The_NetZ_> Hanmac: hey, I know you can do ./configure without the documentation; how about the make command?

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16:25 <Hanmac> normaly the make should follow that you say to him ..

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16:27 <The_NetZ_> hrm.

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16:32 <shevy> Hanmac can rxw be installed from the commandline?

16:32 <shevy> and is this the one I need before I can compile the bindings http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxwindows/files/3.0.0/wxWidgets-3.0.0.tar.bz2

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16:33 <Hanmac> shevy yeah it shouldbe (it also should be work with that wxWidgets version, but i am currently only testing it against newer)

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16:33 <shevy> kk

16:33 <shevy> and the gem is rxw? gem install rxw ?

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16:36 <Hanmac> shevy rwx is still not as gem available

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16:38 <shevy> :(

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16:38 <ari-_-e> so how horrible a person would I be if I used this: https://github.com/tenderlove/phuby ?

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16:40 <shevy> no

16:40 <shevy> ari-_-e it's a pun

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16:41 <ari-_-e> shevy: hm?

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16:42 <shevy> ari-_-e tenderlove is the psych author

16:42 <shevy> https://github.com/tenderlove

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16:42 <ari-_-e> I'm aware of who tenderlove is

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16:42 <shevy> look at the changelog: https://github.com/tenderlove/phuby/commit/922d5ba78104721ae345bdeb9a203cd936d2f125

16:42 <shevy> from:

16:42 <shevy> rt = Phuby::Runtime.new

16:42 <shevy> to:

16:42 <shevy> php = Phuby::Runtime.new

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16:43 <shevy> you think it's a real project?

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16:43 <ari-_-e> shevy: what?

16:43 <Hanmac> havenwood: DoctorWho episode?

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16:43 <Sigma00> ahaha

16:43 <ari-_-e> shevy: it uses PHP's embed SAPI

16:43 <Sigma00> look at the readme

16:43 <Sigma00> Install: No.

16:44 <shevy> lol

16:44 <shevy> ari-_-e well have fun!

16:44 <ari-_-e> Sigma00: hah yeah

16:44 <Sigma00> WHY do you want to use that?

16:44 <ari-_-e> doing some migration and need to do something the way the old PHP code did it

16:44 <havenwood> Hanmac: s5e6, but how am i supposed to watch netflix with my shiny new operating system when the browser crashes every couple seconds? :P

16:45 <Hanmac> havenwood: yeah i feel the same ... for me my Xserver uses more than my firefox ;P

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16:45 <csmrfx> kinda off topix wouldnt you say

16:45 <ari-_-e> certainly not planning on using this in production or anything :)

16:45 <csmrfx> but, what is phuby...

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16:46 <Sigma00> a ruby wrapper for PHP

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16:46 <Sigma00> so you can use a PHP runtime inside ruby

16:46 <Sigma00> it's crazy\

16:46 <csmrfx> aargh no

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16:46 <csmrfx> thats why I learned ruby

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16:46 <csmrfx> (eruby, technically)=

16:46 <csmrfx> so no more PHP

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16:46 <csmrfx> eaaaaa

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16:47 <ari-_-e> csmrfx: that's what we're doing also

16:47 <ari-_-e> just need to migrate the old data

16:47 * csmrfx runs for the hills

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16:48 <Hanmac> havenwood: S05E06 already watched or not yet?

16:48 <havenwood> not

16:48 <shevy> it's a joke project

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16:48 <havenwood> shevy: my fav: https://github.com/tenderlove/enterprise#readme

16:49 <havenwood> shevy: i wonder if anyone actually uses it not realizing it's a joke?

16:49 <shevy> lol

16:49 <Sigma00> ari-_-e: just dump the database?

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16:49 <ari-_-e> there was someone a few days ago

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16:49 <ari-_-e> who was going to use that seriously

16:49 <ari-_-e> supposedly

16:49 <shevy> "FEATURES/PROBLEMS"

16:49 <shevy> it's hilarious that he combines both into the same header

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16:49 <shevy> it could be a feature

16:49 <shevy> or a problem

16:49 <shevy> depending on the point of view ;)

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16:49 * csmrfx programs his skynet to protect from the PHP bots from the future

16:49 <ari-_-e> Sigma00: I already have that - the issue is how to interpret the data

16:49 <shevy> "require files completely written in XML"

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16:50 <Sigma00> ari-_-e: what, are you gonna read it into PHP objects and manipulate it that way?

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16:50 <shevy> lol

16:50 <Sigma00> wouldn't a few INSERT INTO blabla SELECT etc work better?

16:50 <shevy> tenderlove is right

16:50 <shevy> only insane people will use phuby

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16:51 <ari-_-e> Sigma00: the data is dirty

16:51 <ari-_-e> and the php code fudges some things to make it slightly less dirty

16:52 <ari-_-e> I'd like to be able to do those same things

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16:52 <ari-_-e> without worrying about subtle differences that might arise

16:52 <ari-_-e> if I were to rewrite it in ruby

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16:52 <Sigma00> would cleaning the data be too much work?

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16:52 <ari-_-e> as an example, it uses the php's "strip_tags" function

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16:53 <ari-_-e> I could try implementing that in ruby, but that seems error-prone

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16:55 <happytux_> hi

16:55 <happytux_> again

16:55 <happytux_> ari-_-e: hi

16:55 <apeiros> ari-_-e: use nokogiri to strip tags

16:55 <apeiros> Nokogiri.HTML(html).text

16:55 <havenwood> ari-_-e: Rails' ActionView has #strip_tags, but yeah Nokogiri: require 'nokogiri'; Nokogiri::HTML('<b>hi</b>').text

16:55 <ari-_-e> apeiros: if you can guarantee to me that that does the same thing as strip_tags, then I will

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16:55 <apeiros> it might not be equivalent to php's strip_tags, though

16:55 <havenwood> #=> "hi"

16:56 <happytux_> So using system([...]) for invoking a command in a Rake task, it simply fails silently when the command can't be found.

16:56 <havenwood> ari-_-e: require 'action_view'; include ActionView::Helpers::SanitizeHelper; strip_tags '<b>hi</b>'

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17:30 <wallerdev> good morning rubees

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17:33 <Sigma00> reubens?

17:34 <apeiros> good evening, wallerdev

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17:34 <wallerdev> :)

17:34 <wallerdev> rubros

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17:34 <wallerdev> lol

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17:36 <apeiros> :-/

17:36 * apeiros considers being called "bro" a pejorative

17:37 <Sigma00> fucking brogrammers...

17:37 <wallerdev> had to look that word up

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17:37 <wallerdev> lol

17:37 <Sigma00> CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG

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17:37 <Sigma00> the brogrammer powerhour: one beer and one commit every minute

17:38 <Sigma00> er, one beer shot

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17:38 * apeiros goes back to his vodka

17:38 <wallerdev> the ballmer peak is real

17:38 <apeiros> yupp

17:38 <apeiros> I'm far more productive with a bit of alcohol. less "should I really do this? maybe think about it again?"

17:39 <apeiros> more "blargh, that's fine like this." *blam*. code written.

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17:41 <shevy> lol

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17:42 <shevy> unfortunately the main effect alcohol on me has is to make me tired, I assume that my body attempts to put more resources into eliminating toxic waste products than being more productive

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17:44 <Sigma00> sounds like you're drinking too much

17:44 <wallerdev> or not enough

17:44 <wallerdev> lol

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17:45 <Sigma00> true, a single beer will get me sleepy but multiples won't

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17:45 <shevy> a single 0.5L beer (or less) is just about possible

17:46 <shevy> what kills me totally is vodka

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17:46 <apeiros> productivity boost begins at roughly 0.4L of vodka

17:46 <eam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_inhalation

17:46 <shevy> swiss are tough

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17:48 <Sigma00> eam: good idea, I'll install alcohol misters

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17:48 <Sigma00> at the office

17:49 <shevy> alcohol ministers?

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17:50 <eam> sell it as a disinfectant system for open office layouts

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17:51 <Sigma00> Mister (noun): A device that makes or sprays mist

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17:52 <shevy> Mister Beans!

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17:55 <Hanmac> Sigma00: in german we have a slightly different meaning for "mist" *g

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17:58 <apeiros> Hanmac: and mister :D

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18:00 <csmrfx> oops

18:00 <csmrfx> just failed the beer run

18:00 <csmrfx> beer sales stop on this minute

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18:00 <csmrfx> (just to join on the topic at hand)

18:01 <csmrfx> guess I will have to go to the bar

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18:01 <csmrfx> B)

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18:02 <apeiros> about 20 steps

18:02 * apeiros has one at home :D B) <3

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18:03 <Sigma00> do you have a tap?

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18:03 <shevy> csmrfx where do you live, africa?!

18:03 <csmrfx> Helsinki

18:04 <shevy> ok then you are excused

18:04 <csmrfx> beer sales stop at 2100

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18:04 <shevy> you got Eläkeläiset to sing the pain away

18:04 <csmrfx> "two thou one hunnid hours"

18:04 <apeiros> Sigma00: I don't drink beer. and for wine and vodka, you don't use a tap :)

18:04 <csmrfx> havent seen Eläkeläiset in ages

18:04 * Sigma00 fills apeiros's bar with well liquor

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18:05 <shevy> csmrfx huh that's harsh... I think here in vienna you can even up to 00:00 find some turkish small shops that would sell beverage (I think they also have beer, not 100% sure... will remember next time I visit one)

18:05 <csmrfx> oh well I have a box of estonian vodka at the workstudio if all else fails ;)

18:05 <Sigma00> alcohol sales never stop here

18:05 <shevy> ewww

18:05 <shevy> vodka again :(

18:05 <Sigma00> I think there'd be a riot

18:05 <shevy> how can you guys survive that

18:05 <csmrfx> well you can dilute it

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18:05 <shevy> hehe

18:06 <shevy> that reminds me of the spanish "wine"... sangria

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18:06 <apeiros> easy. open your mouth. pour vodka in. repeat. go to bed. wake up. be alive.

18:06 <shevy> it always tasted like water

18:06 <apeiros> then you had a bad sangria

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18:06 <shevy> hehe

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18:06 <apeiros> it's not really a wine. it's a wine based drink.

18:06 <csmrfx> personally I think in summer time, 4-5 % is great

18:06 <shevy> yeah

18:06 <shevy> water with berries!

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18:07 <shevy> the best red wine I have ever had was from italy, it was red wine that tasted fruity

18:07 <apeiros> csmrfx: volume%?

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18:07 <csmrfx> yes

18:07 <apeiros> meh

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18:07 <wallerdev> theres so much wine in SF

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18:07 <apeiros> anything below 10% barely affects me.

18:07 <wallerdev> everyone drinks it :|

18:07 <wallerdev> like an hour from napa and sonoma i think

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18:07 <csmrfx> apeiros: in winter time, I think it is suitable at -18 C

18:08 <apeiros> wine is great. 1-2 glasses of red wine used to make me very sleepy a few years ago :)

18:08 <csmrfx> I like red wine a lot, too

18:08 <wallerdev> i drink wine out of cups, dont have wine glasses lol

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18:08 <Sigma00> if you want fruity wine, try mozcato

18:08 <Sigma00> it's white though

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18:09 <csmrfx> Italians make some nice wines, but I choose them by the berry variety, couple of great ones are Shiraz and tempranillo

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18:09 <csmrfx> and, I seen plenty of italians and french drink wine from cups or "ordinary" glasses

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18:10 <apeiros> friend of mine is quite the Pinot afficionado

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18:10 <apeiros> prefers the french ones over the italians, though

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18:10 <csmrfx> cabernet makes my mouth so woolly

18:10 <csmrfx> haha

18:10 <csmrfx> especially the next morning!

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18:11 <apeiros> valais has some great white wines

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18:11 <apeiros> I'm usually more of a red wine drinker. but I gladly make exceptions for white wines from valais. f.ex. Heida

18:11 <gazarsgo> is there a way to enumerate all the other files one file depends on in a project ?

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18:12 <apeiros> gazarsgo: not really

18:12 <apeiros> you could grep for require

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18:13 <gazarsgo> well this is within one of those fancy 'require everything in the bootstrap' kind of deals

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18:13 <apeiros> gazarsgo: you can snapshot $LOADED_FEATURES before and use Array#- after

18:13 <apeiros> if running it is an option

18:13 <apeiros> but that'll get you the whole graph

18:13 <apeiros> (though, not as a graph, only as a flat list)

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18:14 <gazarsgo> cool, thanks for the pointer, i'll see if it works out

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18:15 <apeiros> (snapshot: .dup, if that shouldn't have been clear)

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18:19 <eam> one thing I do a lot in perl, and that I wish ruby could do, is insert lambdas into the loader path to trace or do dynamic things

18:20 <eam> eg: perl -wle'BEGIN{ unshift @INC, sub {warn "@_"} }; use CPAN' # print a line as each module is require()'d

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18:20 <apeiros> eam: you can monkey patch require

18:20 <hoelzro> eam: you could always monkey patch require

18:20 <hoelzro> dman

18:20 <eam> in ruby, that'd be like $:.unshift lambda { |x| puts x}

18:20 <hoelzro> *damn

18:20 <apeiros> ^5 hoelzro

18:20 <eam> apeiros: hm interesting

18:21 <apeiros> that's how rubygems started, btw.

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18:21 <eam> haha

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18:21 <apeiros> just don't make the same mistakes as they did. e.g. make require a module_function in Kernel

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18:21 <apeiros> (that's the right thing - they didn't make it one and fucked things up that way)

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18:21 <eam> I wish ruby modules relied on the regular old loader path and weren't different, honestly

18:22 <apeiros> by "ruby modules" you mean gems?

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18:22 <eam> yeah I mean I wish gems weren't a thing

18:22 <eam> all I want is a .rb in $:

18:22 <hoelzro> eam: I (as a Perl programmer myself) feel the same

18:22 <apeiros> I wish rubys loading mechanism a) used something like java's reverse-dns so we didn't have name-squatters

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18:23 <apeiros> and b) that it was more powerful, allowing e.g. gzipped gems

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18:23 <apeiros> and c) yes, that rubygems was not necessary because it had proper loading and isolation primitives

18:23 <eam> # When RubyGems is required, Kernel#require is replaced with our own which

18:23 <eam> # is capable of loading gems on demand.

18:23 <eam> oh man

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18:25 <apeiros> actually I'd love it if it was split in two parts

18:25 <apeiros> a primitive to load an absolute path

18:25 <apeiros> and a proper package loading/importing mechanism

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18:26 <apeiros> (and don't say eval(File.read(path)) for the former - that won't work for native extensions)

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18:27 <hoelzro> sounds like Lua's require() mechanism

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18:27 <hoelzro> Lua's is nice, because you can add arbitrary loaders to an array like you can with Perl's @INC

18:28 <apeiros> ok, fuck this. switching between sc2 livestream and coding sucks.

18:28 * apeiros off to the living room, long live airplay'ed sc2 streams on the tv! :D

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18:35 <gazarsgo> what sc2 event is going down ...

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18:35 <apeiros> something something homecup

18:35 <apeiros> wcs.battle.net

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18:37 <gazarsgo> ooooh just in time for scarlett v taeja

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18:37 <RubyPanther> Yeah, why don't we have something like CPAN? Because our package management wouldn't survive it. We can't have things that nice.

18:37 <apeiros> you missed scarlett killing another korean

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18:38 <apeiros> RubyPanther: actually I *far* prefer rubygems over what CPAN was when I left perl. but granted, that was ~12y ago. I'd sure hope it improved.

18:38 <RubyPanther> apeiros: I haven't used Perl since `04, and we're not _nearly_ there yet

18:38 <Sou|cutter> I wish ruby was more supportive of nesting modules

18:39 <apeiros> RubyPanther: disagree. CPAN was a load of annoyance back then.

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18:39 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: ? you can nest modules just fine?

18:39 <Sou|cutter> you shouldn't have to create a small pyramid to go 3 modules deep

18:39 <RubyPanther> Sou|cutter: Yes. Yes you should.

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18:40 <RubyPanther> If such a small thing seems a burden, your case against it is guaranteed to be weak.

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18:41 <hoelzro> I like CPAN, and I haven't used Rubygems enough to be able to make an educated comparison

18:41 <Sou|cutter> RubyPanther: that doesn't follow

18:41 <RubyPanther> Sou|cutter: Yes. Yes it does. You didn't follow, don't blame me.

18:41 <Sou|cutter> RubyPanther: it's just boilerplate is my complaint

18:41 <hoelzro> I like the infrastructure built up around it (CPAN testers, mirroring), and I like the inline docs

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18:41 <Sou|cutter> and extra whitespace if you're indenting

18:42 <RubyPanther> hoelzro: The general consensus is that CPAN is the pinnacle of package sharing

18:42 <Sou|cutter> small things can make a big difference

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18:42 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: well, once it is defined, you can do class Foo::Bar::Baz.

18:42 <hoelzro> the pinnacle? I don't know if I'd go that for =)

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18:43 <apeiros> hoelzro: yes. rubygems is lacking a lot in that regard.

18:43 <RubyPanther> Sou|cutter: Right, but the small thing is a small thing that is getting in the way of making awful code. You still can, that is the Ruby way; only to make the main path clearly marked, not to put up a fence.

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18:43 <apeiros> the perl documentation I remember was fairly superior to what I generally experience in ruby land

18:43 <RubyPanther> hoelzro: Well, what package sharing system is better?

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18:43 <Sou|cutter> apeiros: Yeah, but unless you have explicit dependencies where it gets declared then what are you going to do... declare a tiny pyramid at the top to get rid of the nesting when you define Foo::Bar::Baz ?

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18:44 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: I don't consider the pyramid an issue.

18:44 <RubyPanther> And I'm not crediting CPAN for the documentation, POD is great because it is POD

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18:44 <apeiros> I understand why you do. but due to class being valid for nesting, I don't see a sensible way to get rid of it.

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18:44 <hoelzro> RubyPanther: see, I don't know

18:44 <RubyPanther> Sou|cutter: You don't need to type the whitespace in a modern editor

18:44 <Sou|cutter> apeiros: it just promotes flat code organization structures

18:44 <hoelzro> so good point =)

18:44 <hoelzro> and POD is great

18:44 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: uh, no.

18:45 <hoelzro> I do think that Perl has pretty good docs

18:45 <Sou|cutter> apeiros: no?

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18:45 <hoelzro> and the community has a dedication to good docs as well

18:45 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: lazy coders always write bad code. this tiny bit of boilerplate isn't a game changer in that.

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18:45 <RubyPanther> Sou|cutter: It encourages flat organization where the reason for nesting is so incredibly tiny that it is eclipsed by the burden of automatically indenting code. That was my original point, too.

18:45 <Sou|cutter> apeiros: everybody is lazy, even good coders

18:45 <eam> I'm really sad about namespace componenents being either Class or Module and needing to care -- I think that's a bad design

18:46 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: there's laziness and laziness.

18:46 <apeiros> if you're a good coder, you won't be stopped by a more 2 additional "module" keywords

18:46 <apeiros> *mere

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18:46 <eam> apeiros: to be fair, majority of coders in any platform aren't good

18:46 <apeiros> eam: sad truth :(

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18:47 <apeiros> but again, that's unrelated to this issue :)

18:47 <RubyPanther> If I was lazier, I'd just get a second keyboard and map it to macros for language keywords. But I actually don't find my slow typing to be a code bottleneck.

18:47 <Sou|cutter> RubyPanther: I have a Report::Type::Generator::Immediate / Deferred structure in my code, and I wish it was flatter

18:47 <eam> there does seem to be something about ruby's design that discourages hierarchy

18:47 <apeiros> they'll still be bad even if that boilerplate was unnecessary

18:47 <Sou|cutter> eam: whew I thought I was all alone with that opinion in here

18:47 <apeiros> eam: hm, I haven't experienced that with regards to namespaces. I experienced it with regards to inheritance. and there I think it's a good thing.

18:48 <eam> apeiros: inheritance is another angle, agreed

18:48 <apeiros> anything using flat namespaces I came across was horrible code in so many other regards anyways…

18:48 <RubyPanther> Sou|cutter: If code generators are you example, that is not a very good one because most code is not a generator, and you're normally going to have have at least 2 or 3 "extra" levels compared to the code that is being generated

18:48 <eam> I do konw that I avoid any namespace past two levels deep simply because I have an absurd amount of whitespace to the left

18:48 <apeiros> damit! you made me miss how scarlett won!

18:49 <apeiros> oh, let me guess - you're an 80-columnist? :-p

18:49 <eam> and I wish I could say class Foo::Bar::Baz without concern that Bar might be a Module

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18:49 <eam> apeiros: I'm not, in fact

18:49 <apeiros> oh

18:49 <apeiros> damn

18:49 <apeiros> bias miss

18:49 <Sou|cutter> I'm not either fwiw

18:49 <apeiros> DAMN!

18:49 <apeiros> stop destroying my illusions!

18:49 <Sou|cutter> they are a dying breed :)

18:49 <apeiros> thank god

18:49 <eam> I even use two spaces when I'm in ruby, even though I prefer 4 or 8 in most other languages

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18:49 <RubyPanther> killed by line wrap

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18:50 <apeiros> (note: I do think it's generally a good idea to keep your lines short - just not dogmatically)

18:50 <RubyPanther> eam: Not sure why you say "even" when it is defined as correct here ;)

18:50 <terrellt> Four spaces?!

18:50 <terrellt> Madness.

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18:50 <apeiros> eam: I love 16 spaces. my ruby code looks intimidating that way.

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18:50 <RubyPanther> Allowing spacing to be based on opinion is a misfeature shared by many languages

18:50 <eam> but in perl for example I've had projects with a Foo::Bar::Baz::SubBaz::Thing and in ruby that's *starting* all my code with a 10 space indent

18:51 <eam> and a good 5 lines at the top and bottom of every class

18:51 <terrellt> What do you mean?

18:51 <eam> class Foo; module Bar; ....

18:51 <apeiros> I do think nesting modules too deeply is a smell of its own

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18:51 <terrellt> Er, can't you just do module Foo::Bar::Baz::SubBaz; module Thing; end; end;?

18:51 <RubyPanther> eam: You probably shouldn't be using Foo::Bar::Baz::SubBaz::Thing from Bing, if you grouped your stuff better you'd only need the last couple

18:51 <apeiros> eam: although I don't employ that style myself - why don't you go into the namespace in a single line?

18:51 <eam> it is in ruby, which is why everything ends up flat -- but it's not in many other systems

18:52 <apeiros> module Foo module Bar module Baz; …code with 1 indent…; end end end # valid

18:52 <eam> terrellt: no, because each element is alternately a Module or Class

18:52 <RubyPanther> if you use it right, everything appears close to flat locally, even when it is deeply nested

18:52 <eam> apeiros: yeah I can do that, it's still ugly

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18:52 <eam> I want to just say class Foo::Bar::Baz::SubBaz::Thing

18:52 <RubyPanther> I mean, what is the "reason" to have the part of a package that is used from other packages deeply nested?

18:52 <apeiros> eam: then use proper requires and class A::B::C

18:53 <RubyPanther> Did you just run out of top and second level names?

18:53 <apeiros> that should solve the problem of A, A::B being class/module

18:53 <eam> RubyPanther: it makes sense for large systems with lots of inter-related objects

18:53 <Sou|cutter> I will have rotten vegetables thrown at me for this one, but an example of a language that makes nesting much more natural is... java

18:53 <RubyPanther> eam: No, I would say it makes LESS sense there, where it will bite harder

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18:54 <RubyPanther> large systems have to tackle that at the design stage

18:54 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: while I dislike java on a global level - it does have good ideas in it.

18:54 <eam> here's a real world example, A package management system which has object types wrapping packages and components

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18:54 <Sou|cutter> apeiros: I don't like the language, but yeah

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18:54 <RubyPanther> "object types wrapping packages and components" Translate to Ruby, please

18:54 <apeiros> Sou|cutter: as I said above - e.g. the reverse dns package name thing - good idea IMO

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18:55 <apeiros> I'll stop now or I'll miss another victory by scarlett.

18:55 * Sou|cutter nods

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18:56 <quadrant-fire1> i know this is a ruby channel but i would like to ask a quick java question. i have a application(andriod) that verify the sites certificate(ssl) that it connects to. im looking at the code and see "import javaxnet ssl trust manager" and X509" is this the library that java uses to verify a sites authenticity?

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18:56 <apeiros> lol?

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18:56 <apeiros> quadrant-fire1: and you don't ask it in the java channel because…?

18:57 <quadrant-fire1> i needs a registered account

18:57 <apeiros> OMIGOSH!

18:57 <apeiros> stop being a lazy slob and register your nick already.

18:57 <quadrant-fire1> my account isnt register cant be bothered... i dont use irc much..:-D

18:57 <apeiros> yeah, well, I for one don't care. but well…

18:57 <eam> quadrant-fire1: you can do it just by /msg nickserv, it takes less time than to type in #ruby

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18:58 <jiggliemon> Is there a rails IRC?

18:58 <quadrant-fire1> ok ill register. thanks

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18:58 <apeiros> jiggliemon: #ror, #rails, #rubyonrails (all the same)

18:58 <jiggliemon> #rails isn't working. Trying others.

18:58 <jiggliemon> THanks'

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18:58 <apeiros> jiggliemon: you must be registered

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18:58 <jiggliemon> With the room?

18:58 <apeiros> no, with nickserv

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18:59 <apeiros> /msg nickserv help register

18:59 <_KaszpiR_> hi

18:59 <sdrew> all glory to nickserv

18:59 * apeiros thinks we should put a guide to #ror into the topic

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19:00 <shevy> hehe

19:00 <jiggliemon> Hmmmm I am registered.

19:00 <shevy> epic answers

19:00 <jiggliemon> Using this new client though

19:00 <shevy> "You must be registered."

19:00 <shevy> "With the room?"

19:00 <shevy> :D

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19:00 <shevy> with me! register with me!

19:01 <shevy> MARRY ME!!!

19:01 <shevy> if you already have registered, you must identify upon connection

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19:01 <shevy> like /msg nickserv identify YOUR_PASSWORD_HERE, then you can join those weird channels that force people to be identified

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19:02 <shevy> wow

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19:02 <shevy> RubyPanther and eam were discussing, and I missed it

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19:02 <apeiros> lol

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19:03 <shevy> I don't quite like deep indents

19:03 <shevy> when I indent like 3 layers (3 * 2 spaces), it feels as if I don't have much space before I hit the 80 chars boundary

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19:04 <shevy> eam I agree btw, I dislike that there is module and class distinction for namespace; my favourite answer is still apeiros' one, when I asked him why he was using class as namespace, he said because he got #new basically

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19:05 <RubyPanther> I don't care how deeply indented it is, I just think you should have real reasons for however deep you go, and how you divide things up

19:05 <shevy> well ok but consider

19:05 <shevy> module Foo

19:05 <shevy> module Bar

19:05 <shevy> module Ble

19:05 <shevy> def yippie

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19:05 <shevy> that's quite a lot of indent

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19:05 <shevy> let me give you the 80 chars mark

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19:06 <shevy> |

19:06 <shevy> haha

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19:09 <RubyPanther> shevy: (custom-set-variables

19:09 <RubyPanther> '(truncate-partial-width-windows nil))

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19:09 <apeiros> whaaaat? you can't stream your screen via airplay to appletv and simultaneously stream your itunes to an airplay speaker?

19:09 <apeiros> fuck

19:09 <RubyPanther> shevy: The thing about Foo and Bar, there is no problem domain to tell you how to divide them up

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19:10 <RubyPanther> apeiros: If you use open tools you can make them do whatever you want. Use gstrreamer next time

19:10 <RubyPanther> gstreamer

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19:10 <apeiros> RubyPanther: if there were decent products.

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19:11 <apeiros> because seriously, no, I don't want to hand compile half a dozen kernels just to have streaming at home.

19:11 <RubyPanther> Right, exactly! You don't have tools, you have products.

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19:16 <csmrfx> vlc?

19:16 <csmrfx> done

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19:16 <csmrfx> oh, stream your screen

19:16 <csmrfx> nm

19:17 <csmrfx> (although, vlc might be able to do that too)

19:17 <csmrfx> also

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19:17 <csmrfx> if you are on X, it does that

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19:17 <csmrfx> kind, of

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19:28 <shevy> lol

19:28 <shevy> csmrfx is like the best salesman ever

19:28 <shevy> "take this product, it is awesome!"

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19:28 <shevy> "but it has a drawback - at night it won't work"

19:28 <shevy> "also, you must sacrifice three virgins for it to continue running after a year"

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19:29 <Hanmac> hm trying to display a 1080p video via libaa might not be a good idea, nee? ;P

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19:38 <Sigma00> shevy: sounds like every car ever

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19:41 <apeiros> csmrfx: it treats the airplay device as an additional screen

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19:48 <csmrfx> well vlc can too http://grok.lsu.edu/article.aspx?articleId=14625

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19:51 <csmrfx> although on debian thats "desktop" not "directshow"

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19:53 <shevy> I want a hug

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19:58 <happytux_> ah, all this CI server and shell crap, all those damn locks and errors you can't find in google

19:58 * happytux_ hates it

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20:00 <shevy> happytux_ shell?

20:00 <shevy> come to ruby man

20:00 <prc> Anyone can tell me what's wrong with this piece of code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xQQrsLYn ? It works when an_elem is 0 or when an_elem > 4, otherwise I get this: test.rb:2:in `block in count_greater_than': undefined method `+' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)

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20:00 <shevy> prc you have a nil slipped there

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20:01 <happytux_> shevy: The Jenkins rbenv plugin is really a pain

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20:01 <happytux_> shevy: it uses shell to provide a ruby environment

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20:02 <shevy> this is what your classes are prc: Fixnum Fixnum NilClass Fixnum NilClass Fixnum

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20:02 <shevy> >> [1,3,5,7,9,22].inject(0) {|sum, element| sum+element}

20:02 <eval-in> shevy => 47 (https://eval.in/159568)

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20:04 <prc> shevy: if I remove the if condition it works just fine in my case as well.

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20:04 <shevy> I guess inject wants something to count with

20:05 <shevy> perhaps return 0 otherwise?

20:05 <wallerdev> i wonder what itd be like if someone never learned to write but learned to type on a keyboard, and then was asked to write on paper, i feel like theyd approach writing much differently, like they would try to match the shape of the letters on the keys

20:05 <wallerdev> thoughts?

20:06 <shevy> wallerdev hard to say

20:06 <shevy> wallerdev what I do know is that not practicing writing, but only typing a lot, will negatively affect writing

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20:06 <wallerdev> makes sense

20:06 <wallerdev> i hardly ever write anything

20:06 <wallerdev> i dont even sign my name anymore

20:06 <wallerdev> just squiggle my pen lol

20:06 <shevy> a computer is much more forgiving than pen and paper

20:06 <shevy> lol

20:07 <shevy> wallerdev my handwriting is getting worse and worse as the years pass by :(

20:07 <prc> shevy: It's not working when it should return a value that is different than the array.length value (meaning when the an_elem is 0). So, as I wrote, it works when an_elem is 0, and when an_elem > the size of the array.

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20:07 <wallerdev> you can practice it

20:07 <wallerdev> i suggest learning a style that you like to write in

20:07 <wallerdev> that way its more fun

20:07 <wallerdev> instead of something you do to get words on paper

20:07 <shevy> but typing is so much easier

20:07 <shevy> and faster

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20:07 <shevy> and I can generate pretty .pdf

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20:08 <wallerdev> i agree

20:08 <shevy> I do however think that handwriting can be a real art

20:08 <shevy> like those books written by old monks... that's amazing

20:08 <shevy> http://www.ntnu.no/ub/formidl/utgivelser/til_opplysning/to_nr8_bilder/p3.jpg

20:08 <shevy> poor guys

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20:09 <wallerdev> reddit.com/r/penmanshipporn

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20:10 <shevy> lol

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20:10 <shevy> http://i.imgur.com/7WWaXa9.jpg <-- must be a girl's handwriting

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20:11 <shevy> http://imgur.com/5QmwP6l <-- must be a dude

20:11 <shevy> I can't use classical pen, I always make a mess everywhere

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20:12 <katlogic> mmm, caliporn

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20:12 <wallerdev> anyway its pretty cool

20:12 <wallerdev> makes writing more fun

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20:13 <wallerdev> i still think pen and paper is more useful for taking notes on things like diagrams

20:13 <wallerdev> or at least a tablet + pen

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20:13 <katlogic> I literally used the pen few years ago

20:14 <katlogic> Except signatures, naturally.

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20:14 <katlogic> Scary how one can easily forget handwriting :/

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20:15 <shevy> few years ago?

20:15 <shevy> what is wrong with you guys

20:15 <shevy> have you like banned all pens or something

20:15 <katlogic> well, it just seemed redundant

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20:16 <katlogic> luckily various bureau forms have fill-in excel templates in my country

20:16 <katlogic> so no need to write

20:17 <wallerdev> fo sho

20:17 <wallerdev> lol

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20:17 <wallerdev> mac os x has a thing where you hold up your signature on a piece of paper to the webcam

20:17 <wallerdev> and then you can paste it into pdfs

20:17 <katlogic> pretty sweet uh

20:18 <katlogic> though pixel-duplicate signatures on two different documents might be considered forgery

20:19 <Hanmac1> my hand writing was never (good) readable ... good that i have a job where i dont need handwriting *g

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20:19 <wallerdev> yeah i sometimes do some whiteboarding

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20:20 <wallerdev> but for the most part dont write anything down on paper haha

20:20 <wallerdev> have a laptop for work so just bring that into meetings

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20:25 <eam> how can I get bundler to show me what it's doing with gcc?

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20:25 <eam> I need to screw around with the flags it's passing

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20:30 <wallerdev> bundler does things with gcc? lol

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20:30 <eam> wallerdev: sure

20:30 <wallerdev> i thought it just ran gem install haha

20:30 <eam> which in turn ...

20:31 <wallerdev> well thats not the same thing

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20:31 <eam> wallerdev: I need to, starting with bundler, ensure that mysql2.so in the mysql gem has some particular flags set during linking

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20:32 <eam> this is, it seems, an enormously difficult and opaque process

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20:32 <bufferloss> wallerdev: it compiles against headers for things that need/use native code

20:32 <bufferloss> like the pg gem for example

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20:32 <wallerdev> i understand gem does that

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20:32 <bufferloss> well, sure ok bundler is a helper for gems, so I think that’s what eam is getting at

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20:33 <bufferloss> eam: http://bundler.io/v1.3/man/bundle-config.1.html

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20:33 <bufferloss> eam: lets you set flags and such, dunno how much control that gives you, but I’ve used it before to deal with non-standard libs back when OSX and bundler didn’t play very nice together

20:33 <happytux_> Hi

20:33 <happytux_> It is me, the Rake fanboy :)

20:33 <eam> bufferloss: aha, thanks

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20:34 <happytux_> So I use the system(...) method in Rake to invoke a command. That command is the nave tool which does some shell tricks. However, they are apparently ignored.

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21:18 <shevy> happytux_ system is ruby's way to call other programs

21:18 <shevy> happytux_ there also exists `` and (p)open*

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21:19 <shevy> system() is not ignored but perhaps you have had a problem

21:19 <shevy> I recommend you use `` and assign to a variable

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21:19 <shevy> then scan that variable

21:19 <shevy> for instance:

21:19 <shevy> result = `ffmpeg foo.avi`

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21:19 <shevy> # => "sh: ffmpeg command not found"

21:19 <shevy> if ffmpeg is not found

21:19 <shevy> and so on

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21:20 <v4n> I need to send a file through a POST method, as a "file binary data"? How should I open the file with ruby so it it reads as a file binary data?

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21:21 <benzrf> v4n: what web framework

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21:22 <v4n> No web framework, I'm using rest-client.

21:22 <v4n> (gem)

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21:24 <havenwood> v4n: application/octet-stream

21:24 <v4n> To clarify, I'm using rest-client to send the a multipart POST. I need to figure how to read and send the "file binary data" with ruby.

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21:25 <havenwood> The subtype "octet-stream" is to be used in the case of uninterpreted binary data

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21:25 <havenwood> v4n: ^ quote from: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt

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21:26 <havenwood> v4n: so specify it in the mime type: content_type: 'application/octet-stream'

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21:27 <havenwood> v4n: oh, or you just mean opening the file, you already know how to send it?

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21:28 <v4n> havenwood: Yea

21:28 <apeiros> File.read(path, encoding: 'binary')

21:28 <v4n> Ihavenwood: I am allready specifying Content-type"=>"application/octet-stream" in the POST headers.

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21:30 <v4n> apeiros: Thanks!

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21:30 <v4n> havenwood: Also thanks, this clear things up.

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21:38 <ph88> hey guys, are these tests? https://github.com/NYTimes/tamper/tree/master/encoders/ruby/spec

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21:43 <havenwood> ph88: well, they're specs, which are an alternative style of tests

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21:43 <ph88> havenwood: how can i run them ? i have (interactive) ruby 1.9.3.

21:44 <ph88> i also have ruby 1.8.7

21:44 <havenwood> ph88: checkout Minitest for an example of tests versus specs: https://github.com/seattlerb/minitest#readme

21:44 <happytux_> shevy: you mean to assign the result of method system(...)?

21:44 <happytux_> shevy: or the string passed to it?

21:44 <havenwood> ph88: check the Rackfile in the parent dir and see if you can `rake` or `rake specs` to run the specs

21:44 <ph88> havenwood: i need to run those and then place debug points so i can understand what's going on inside the library

21:45 <havenwood> ph88: Rakefile**

21:45 <havenwood> ph88: or run them yourself like: ruby pack_spec.rb

21:45 <shevy> happytux_ I wrote ``

21:45 <shevy> happytux_ honestly it is all in what I wrote really :D

21:45 <happytux_> shevy: you mean backticks1

21:45 <happytux_> *!

21:45 <shevy> happytux_ it is a method

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21:46 <Burgestrand> ph8: it says how you run them in the README, at the bottom

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21:46 <shevy> happytux_ here you can see its documentation: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Kernel.html#method-i-60

21:46 <shevy> happytux_ system() will only give you true or false

21:47 <ph88> havenwood: when i start rake i see: cannot load such file -- bundler/gem_tasks

21:47 <shevy> with `` you may get more information, such as the ffmpeg example where ffmpeg was not found

21:47 <shevy> with popen you can do even more, but it is also more complicated to use, so I tend to avoid it

21:47 <happytux_> shevy: hm

21:47 <happytux_> So I just do `fmpeg` instead of system('fmpeg') ?

21:47 <ph88> havenwood: http://pastebin.com/8vV0FJt1

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21:48 <shevy> happytux_ yes, but assign it to a variable - you seem to forget the most important parts hehehe

21:48 <happytux_> result = `fmpeg`

21:48 <shevy> without the typo haha

21:48 <Burgestrand> Does anybody know why system() allows programs in the foreground to take control, but not Kernel#`, or popen?

21:48 <shevy> but yeah

21:48 <happytux_> uh

21:48 <happytux_> what typo? :)

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21:48 <Burgestrand> e.g. system("vim hi.txt") works as one would expect, but not `vim hi.txt` or using popen

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21:48 <happytux_> oh

21:48 <shevy> well, if it were ffmpeg then it would have needed another f

21:48 <hoelzro> I'm betting `` and popen close stdin or something

21:48 <havenwood> ph88: run `bundle` then `bundle exec rake`

21:48 <shevy> and not fmpeg

21:48 <Burgestrand> (by the way, there is a way to receive the output of #system)

21:48 <happytux_> shevy: ah

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21:49 <Burgestrand> ph8: read the README!

21:49 <happytux_> shevy: and how can I pass arguments like with system? E.g. system('command', 'arg1', 'arg2', [...])

21:49 <shevy> Burgestrand there is a way to capture #system? do you mean via like 2>1 something?

21:49 <hoelzro> you can use strace and compare what the three of them are all doing

21:49 <shevy> happytux_ I always pass them as one full string before I invoke ``

21:50 <shevy> for system() as well btw, somehow I dont need the , invocation

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21:50 <Burgestrand> shevy: you can pass in an options hash to system, which allows you to redirect the output

21:50 <shevy> ah

21:50 <aarkerio> hi, how can I add r to foo in : foo = someArray.map { r = 'string' } ??

21:50 <Burgestrand> shevy: https://github.com/elabs/mellon/blob/master/bin/mellon#L109

21:50 <shevy> cool

21:50 <Burgestrand> like so

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21:51 <havenwood> aarkerio: that doesn't make sense, what're you trying to do?

21:52 <ph88> havenwood: 'bundle' is not recognized as an internal or external command

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21:52 <havenwood> ph88: gem install bundler

21:52 <aarkerio> create an array with a lot of new records

21:52 <dorei> aalmenar: try "<<", like foo << 'string'

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21:53 <aarkerio> I mean I have user = w%(rewr wer 99 lll)

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21:53 <aarkerio> and I need loop and some new strings to the user array

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21:54 <aarkerio> * and add some

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21:55 <dorei> aarkerio: try "<<", like foo << 'string'

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21:55 <ph88> havenwood: thanks that worked, but now i get: LoadError: cannot load such file -- oj

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21:56 <aarkerio> ok, thanks!

21:56 <havenwood> ph88: from?: bundle exec rake

21:56 <ph88> havenwood: http://pastebin.com/zzqNcX5d

21:56 <ph88> havenwood: that command gives: http://pastebin.com/CkUUJG2B

21:56 <havenwood> ph88: did you?: bundle

21:58 <ph88> havenwood: yes !

21:58 <ph88> havenwood: bundle: http://pastebin.com/vETcLPBh

21:59 <ph88> ok so i need a 3rd ruby version

21:59 <ph88> i will download it now

21:59 <shevy> hehe

21:59 <shevy> why only 3... take 10 ruby versions

21:59 <havenwood> 2.1.2 is the one true ruby

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21:59 <ph88> Ruby 2.0.0-p481 (x64)

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21:59 <ph88> im downloading that one

21:59 <ph88> i hope it's ok

21:59 <havenwood> that'll do

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22:01 <n88> kool name ph88

22:02 <ph88> Thx !

22:02 <ph88> i'm your predecessor

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22:02 <n88> i see that

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22:03 <ph88> hey wow

22:03 <ph88> with ruby 2 colors work in the console !

22:03 <ph88> nice upgrade

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22:04 <blizzow> I've installed rbenv and ruby-build on ubuntu using apt-get. How do I update the versions of ruby that are available to rbenv?

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22:07 <mozzarella> ph88: it has always been the case

22:07 <ph88> didn't work

22:07 <ph88> color codes showed up as plain text

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22:12 <ph88> hey guys i'm trying to run rake and now i get this message: http://pastebin.com/0FaDc0NJ

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22:14 <codezomb> Is specifying "gem my_gem, require: true" in the gemfile the only way to "auto require" a gem, outside of rails?

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22:18 <shevy> codezomb normal require() works fine

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22:18 <shevy> if your gem is called foobar, then: require 'foobar' will work if that gem was installed on the target machine

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22:19 <codezomb> shevy: right, I was hoping to not have to require all these, but I didn't want to have to introduce a dependency on railties

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22:19 <shevy> well

22:19 <shevy> gem() requires more than one?

22:19 <codezomb> the gem is a driver for another gem, so there could be quite a few to require

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22:19 <shevy> I am not really seeing what gem() call does differently, honestly

22:19 <shevy> you can always write a .rb file that has multiple require lines too

22:20 <RubyPanther> codezomb: Normally bundler is used with a Gemfile to manage dependencies

22:20 <codezomb> let me throw together a gist, just to ensure I'm actually communicating properly. :)

22:20 <RubyPanther> You can also paste the code from railties into your own lib and avoid the dependency

22:20 <shevy> hehe

22:20 <shevy> RubyPanther I actually have to do this... bundle all standalone gems into one big .gem, which then must get distributed to a guy at work

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22:21 <RubyPanther> presumably, like the rest of railties, there is also something in facets for that

22:21 <RubyPanther> shevy: sounds like a strange workflow

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22:21 <shevy> they can not be bothered to have to depend on rubygems.org nor on a dozen individual gems

22:22 <Sigma00> shevy: http://bundler.io/v1.6/bundle_package.html

22:22 <codezomb> https://gist.github.com/codezomb/62b06add34a1dee5933e

22:22 <RubyPanther> everybody steals the facets code to avoid facets dependencies, because they're prejudiced against the author

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22:22 <codezomb> to get those to auto "require" I have to add the require: true to each one.

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22:22 <shevy> Sigma00 that would add a dependency on bundler?

22:22 <codezomb> I started wondering why my-core was being required automatically, but not my-core-driver

22:23 <shevy> so you do use a Gemfile already

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22:23 <codezomb> yep

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22:23 <Sigma00> shevy: I assumed you were using bundler already

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22:24 <codezomb> I think I'm just overthinking my situation.

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22:24 <RubyPanther> codezomb: You leave a lot out, like the code, and how you know it isn't loaded, how you're activating bundler, etc

22:24 <shevy> Sigma00 nope; and at works it's not really possible, they are perl guys, the more dependencies I require the worse it all gets

22:24 <shevy> *at work

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22:25 <shevy> they wanted me to use perl instead :(

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22:25 <RubyPanther> shevy: Can't you just use an in-project gem dir and at least not need to repackage?

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22:25 <shevy> RubyPanther an in-project gem dir?

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22:26 <codezomb> RubyPanther: Yeah, I would have to create a full example outside of my existing project due to contract restrictions. I'll come up with an experimental project later, and revisit. :/

22:26 <codezomb> I thought I could get away with a simple description of the issue, I should have known better.

22:27 <ph88> why rake can't build task? http://pastebin.com/aMVxhJ4W

22:27 <codezomb> thanks for taking a look anyway, it was much appreciated.

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22:30 <RubyPanther> shevy: Yeah, GEM_PATH

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22:54 <havenwood> FRI \o/

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23:10 <jezen> If I have two arrays — an array of strings, and an array of indexes, how can I create a new array of the strings found at the indexes?

23:10 <Sigma00> example please

23:11 <jezen> example: ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"].select([0, 2, 4]) should return ["a", "c", "e"]

23:11 <jezen> I’m not trying to use the actual `select` method; regard the example as pseudocode

23:12 <jezen> (unless of course, `select` is indeed the method I should be using)

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23:14 <dorei> jezen: why not itterate the index array and get elemnts from the string array the usual way, ie using some_array[position] ?

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23:14 <Burgestrand> >> array = ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"]; [0, 2, 4].map { |index| array[index] }

23:14 <eval-in> Burgestrand => ["a", "c", "e"] (https://eval.in/159605)

23:14 <dorei> jezen: index_array.map { |x| string_array[x] }

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23:15 <jezen> that’s what I’m after. Thanks!

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23:16 <Wolland> [1,2,3,4][1,2] => [2, 3]

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23:17 <Wolland> nm

23:17 <Wolland> not the same

23:18 <Wolland> values_at can do it I think

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23:18 <Wolland> [1,2,3,4].values_at(2,3,4,5) => [3, 4, nil, nil]

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23:19 <Burgestrand> >> ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"].values_at(*[0, 2, 4])

23:19 <eval-in> Burgestrand => ["a", "c", "e"] (https://eval.in/159609)

23:19 <Wolland> yarp

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23:20 <jezen> that’s even nicer!

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23:22 <Wolland> >> ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"].values_at(*[0, 2, 4, 13, 24]).compact!

23:22 <eval-in> Wolland => ["a", "c", "e"] (https://eval.in/159610)

23:22 <Wolland> if you need to remove nil values

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23:24 <happytux_> shevy: Any advantages of system over `` ?

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23:25 <shevy> happytux_ easier to type :D

23:25 <shevy> happytux_ I usually have def esystem(i)

23:25 <shevy> e i

23:25 <shevy> system i

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23:25 <shevy> where e is simply puts with colours

23:26 <shevy> (optional colours)

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23:28 <ra4king> hell yeah rbenv is awesome

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23:28 <ra4king> gem install rails = done

23:29 <shevy> I can do that without rbenv toO!

23:29 <ra4king> yeah man right on \o/

23:29 <ra4king> actually I was kidding, it didn't work

23:30 <ra4king> it says "rbenv: gem: command not found"

23:30 <ra4king> I have Ruby installed

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23:38 <happytux_> shevy: def esystem(i) would result in backticks? A macro?

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23:40 <shevy> happytux_ just a method; no backticks... where do you see the backticks? :)))

23:40 <shevy> I think your brain is trying to trick you too often

23:40 <shevy> you need to let it flow and just let ruby hit your neurones

23:41 <shevy> ra4king by default on new rubies, gem is included

23:41 <shevy> ra4king, you may be able to download it anew anyway here http://production.cf.rubygems.org/rubygems/rubygems-2.2.2.tgz

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23:46 <happytux_> shevy: can I inject variables into backticks?

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23:47 <happytux_> shevy: and is there a way to preserve the comma separation thing like in system()?

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23:48 <shevy> happytux_ yes you can use variables. didn't I tell you before how I use it? I build up the command string, then send it into that method: cmd = 'ffmpeg'; cmd << ' foo.avi'; result = `#{cmd}`

23:49 <shevy> as written above hours ago, I do not know much about the comma separation; all I know is that I never needed it so far

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23:54 <ra4king> shevy: wat?

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23:55 <ra4king> I think the problem is that the shiv by rbenv isn't working

23:55 <ra4king> typing "ruby" or "gem" gives me rbenv saying it's not found but available in 2.1.2

23:55 <ra4king> and 2.1.2 exists in my versions folder

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23:55 <ra4king> doing ".rbenv/versions/2.1.2/bin/gem install rails" works fine

23:56 <ra4king> gem install rails <- gem isn't found

23:56 <ra4king> what gives?

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23:56 <shevy> for me?

23:56 <shevy> for me it would install rails

23:56 <shevy> and rails would then work

23:56 <shevy> but I don't use rbenv

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23:58 <Wolland> ra4king did you restart your terminal after you setup rbenv?

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23:58 <ra4king> yes

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23:59 <ra4king> this is a remote server I'm accessing using ssh

23:59 <Wolland> for some reason it didn't add its path to your PATH env so your OS can't find those binaries

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23:59 <Wolland> oh

23:59 <ra4king> Wolland: nope, doing 'which ruby' gives me rbenv's 'ruby' shiv