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<godd2> oh it's because Class is an object, but a child of Module. class_eval comes from Module, so the receiver is expected to be a module or a class, and class_eval is from Object, so the receiver with be an object. Class is both an object and a class.
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<jrmithdobbs> is there a more 'correct' way to get Regexp to compile some matches without executing them than: %r{(?: (?<match1> x ) (?<match2> y) ){0} \g<match1> \g<match2>}x ? eg something like pcre's (?(DEFINE)(?<name>pattern)) ?
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<wallerdev> executing matches?
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<jrmithdobbs> yes?
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<wallerdev> yeah no idea what youre talking about lol
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<wallerdev> since when do regexes compile matches
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<jrmithdobbs> since about 1990ish
<jrmithdobbs> iirc
<jrmithdobbs> how regex engines work is fun :)
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<wallerdev> well the regex expression gets compiled i understand
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<wallerdev> but why would the matches be compiled, arent the matches just the results?
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<jrmithdobbs> \g lets you re-call a named capture/match anywhere
<jrmithdobbs> (or unnamed, actually)
<jrmithdobbs> so it's useful to be able to define a named capture without actually trying to match it
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<jrmithdobbs> so that you can later
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<wallerdev> like a backreference? to match the same thing multiple times?
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<jrmithdobbs> yes
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<wallerdev> so like
<wallerdev> >> "aba" =~ /(a).\1/
<eval-in> wallerdev => 0 (https://eval.in/164601)
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<wallerdev> hm okay
<wallerdev> i guess i see what youre asking
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<jrmithdobbs> eg: (%r{(?: (?<match1> x ) (?<match2> y) ){0} \g<match1> \g<match2>}x.match "xy")[:match2] == 'y'
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<wallerdev> i guess you could just reference your first reference to it instead of trying to define it beforehand
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<jrmithdobbs> or to show the point: (%r{(?: (?<match1> x ) (?<match2> y) ){0} (?<match4> \g<match1> ) (?<match3> \g<match2> )}x.match "xy")[:match3] == 'y'
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<jrmithdobbs> ya that's not always convenient though
<jrmithdobbs> {0} is fine i was just looking for DEFINE like in pcre but not finding it
<wallerdev> yeah ive never had to do that much with regex, maybe someone else knows better :)
<jrmithdobbs> so I guess {0}(?# Compile but do not match.) like I have is the best option in ruby ;p
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<wallerdev> i know perl is pretty flexible with its regex though
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<mobi_pontiki> hi
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<shevy> whaletiki!
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<jmurphy> is there a method to get all class variables?
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<jmurphy> similar to some_instance.instance_variables
<wallerdev> um
<wallerdev> Class.class_variables
<jmurphy> thanks
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<supa_> I'm looking for a templating language that supports inheritance (just like Django templates/Jinja2/Tornado, etc) *and* works with both ruby and python.
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<csmrfx> supa_: mus tash
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<csmrfx> not sure if inherit, whatever you mean by that
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<supa_> csmrfx: I didn't think old } did inheritance.
<supa_> csmrfx: Like "base.html" <- page1.html "include base.html"
<csmrfx> ya
<csmrfx> inheritance is something else
<supa_> In Django, it would be "extends base.html"
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<csmrfx> more like mix-in
<supa_> Kind of.
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<jxs> Hi there guys, i am having this error: http://pastebin.com/WkmJkXfT installing nokogiri via bundler but not via gem install does anyone have a clue on what it is? thanks!
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<supa_> csmrfx: I don't see anything similar in moustache. :\
<csmrfx> dont use pastebin
<csmrfx> pastie or gist
<wallerdev> whats so bad about pastebin
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<sevenseacat> !whypbsucks
<csmrfx> how about the fact that I just got "technical difficulties"
<helpa> Pastebin sucks because it loads slowly, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting. Please use Gist (http://gist.github.com) or Pastie (http://pastie.org).
<wallerdev> looks like you need libxml
<jxs> thanks
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<akerl> Wasn't somebody here like yesterday that had this issue?
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<lagweezle> Probably me.
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<lagweezle> I had the fun discovering that a number of standard library bits aren't included on EC2 instance Ruby installs. -.-
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<jxs> think i found the problem
<jxs> it's the bsd grep
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<csmrfx> lagweezle: which one?
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<jxs> or not
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<timgauthier> I like to idle my shevy
<shevy> haha
<shevy> yeah man
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<shevy> now you had enough fun
<timgauthier> hows france
<timgauthier> ;)
<shevy> time for serious business
<shevy> DOWN WITH YOUR PANTS
<shevy> france?
<timgauthier> IS IT MY RECTAL EXAM TIEM?
<timgauthier> belgium
<shevy> they don't understand me :(
<godd2> off with his... head?
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<timgauthier> they don't understand themselves
<shevy> timgauthier, well I am actually heading to bed... should have already been asleep but I am typing typing typing somewhere else...
<timgauthier> heh
<shevy> now you woke me up from idling
<timgauthier> have a good one man
<shevy> NO! :(
<shevy> you woke me up!
<timgauthier> what were you typing?
<timgauthier> ah wanna see the sweet new boots i bought for the wedding?
<shevy> you need boots?
<shevy> to run away or what?
<shevy> I want to see them if
<shevy> they are flip-flops
<shevy> :)
<shevy> or kung-fu boots
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<timgauthier> they are not flip-flops https://www.dropbox.com/s/zl0z5lg42tn34iq/IMG_5773.png
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<csmrfx> Sweatskins Feet Odor
* csmrfx reolfactorizes those
<timgauthier> lol what?
<csmrfx> after a couple of weeks in office, you'll understand
<jxs> is possible to link a gem from systemwide to project vendor?
<timgauthier> whats the product called?
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<timgauthier> csmrfx yeah, any nice shoes can smell terrible after some time, what do you recommend for it? I don't plan on wearing these to an office on a daily basis. mostly because I don't work in an office
<csmrfx> white vinegar
<timgauthier> nice, just put in some towel and place inside? or scrub the insides?
<agent_white> I use soap
<timgauthier> like just hand soap?
<csmrfx> haha, sure, take a newspaper, soak some in it, put inside for hour or 6
<shevy> omg
<agent_white> timgauthier: No I'm just joking. I have no clue wat is happening.
<shevy> timgauthier, don't rub any shit into your boots
<timgauthier> ugh
<csmrfx> acetic acid kills baccy dead
<timgauthier> shevy rub conditioner into your shoes ;)
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<Inside> hey #ruby
<Inside> So... what are your thoughts of ruby on rails vs. sinatra?
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<timgauthier> both suck
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<csmrfx> start with sinatra
<timgauthier> use php
<timgauthier> ;)
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<supa_> timgauthier: +1
<timgauthier> ;) lol
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<supa_> Inside: For learning or for a project?
<Inside> well
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<Inside> for a project for work.
<csmrfx> blahvlahblah sinatra lightweighs blahblahblah rails learning curve blahblahblah sinatra has no gem for paypal and instagram blahblahblah
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<Inside> internal websites for the engineering department to present data queries
<timgauthier> yah but the paypal gem is shit
<timgauthier> ask radar
<csmrfx> B)
<Inside> some database reading, a bit of writing.
<Radar> what
<Radar> which paypal gem?
<Inside> require 'make_blingbling.rb'
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<Radar> PayPal's new gems aren't as shit as other paypal code I've seen
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<timgauthier> woah, you are in here? :P well i just remember your constant bitching about paypal's api, i guess that is seperate from the gem
<timgauthier> STOP STOPPING ME FROM PAINTING WITH A REALLY BIG BRUSH :P
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<supa_> Inside: From the little I've heard, I would say Sinatra if you already know what you're doing. Rails is going to have a better workflow especially for newer people (but Sinatra is easier to learn - and also easier to make horribad newbie mistakes with)
* Inside sighs c.c
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<Inside> I guess sinatra is the node.js of ruby?
<akerl> What?
<supa_> er
<csmrfx> erm erm
<Inside> what c_c
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<timgauthier> maybe more the ember.js?
<Inside> minimalist webserver thing?
<csmrfx> node.js is an interpreter
<csmrfx> sinatra is a web framework
<akerl> Since when is Node.js a minimalist web server thing?
<agent_white> timgauthier: Saying 'Radar' is like saying 'bloody mary'*3 in the mirror, but less scary.
<Radar> yes
<Inside> akerl: at least the way I understand it.
<timgauthier> yeah, i know :P
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<timgauthier> Ryans cool
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<Radar> Especially between 9am-5pm Australian Eastern during the week
<Radar> you're pretty much guaranteed a reply within 1hr
<timgauthier> haha
<csmrfx> nodesters call node "server-side software platform"
<agent_white> Less if you didn't provide code for your issue.
<agent_white> ;D
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<timgauthier> ahaha, i thought for a second i had to stop being a dumbass because i was in the ror channel, but i'm not.
<csmrfx> sinatra calls itself "web app lib"
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<timgauthier> that is what it is
<timgauthier> its a library like jquery
<nwkr> Inside: express.js is a sinatra of javascript.
<supa_> Inside: Project with rails - Spend a few days learning/planning, add a well supported module, fire up rack, rails, start TDD - off you go with a maintainable, mature stack for a product. Sinatra ..... you have to enforce some of your own constraints and avoid mistakes you probably wouldn't make with rails.
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<csmrfx> Inside: you might want to try to draw different stacks, rails, sinatra, node, django, to compare
<csmrfx> and yeah, rack or thin in the equation...
<Inside> I keep banging my head against web development stuff
<timgauthier> welcome to life
<Inside> I've tried doing rails stuff before, but it's ehh.
<csmrfx> perhaps you want someone to provide the framework for you
<csmrfx> to concentrate on the app
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<supa_> Inside: You can stuff Sinatra into JRuby and off you go, really. But that's probably not something you'd be happy with in a year.
<Inside> I don't really know javascript either.
<csmrfx> also fun things to look at: unicord, rainbows, passenger, nginx, apache
<csmrfx> *unicorn
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<timgauthier> lol
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<csmrfx> of course I forgot to mention mongrel
<supa_> And uwsgi
<supa_> And tornado
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<csmrfx> and nanoc
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<timgauthier> middlemanapp
* Inside putputputs.
<Inside> I guess I'll try ror again c_c
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<timgauthier> lol
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<supa_> Inside: Not the worst thing you could do. :) If you want to just jump in immediately and "play" then I do recommend JRuby+Sinatra at home.
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<Inside> why jruby?
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<supa_> Inside: You can take your dev environment with you. Just zip it up and go.
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<Inside> Interesting, interesting..
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<Inside> Still don't get it :P
<csmrfx> whazzat?
<Inside> jruby
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<supa_> Inside: java -jar jruby-complete-1.7.12.jar -S gem install -i ./project-gems --no-document sinatra
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<supa_> Inside: Stick it on a thumb drive/bitbucket/github/whatever you want. Install other gems the same way. Zip it all up, cart it off with you to work or a friend's house or wherever you want. No server required and if you seriously screw up just delete the whole thing and start over.
<Inside> I mean why one would use java ruby
<Inside> hmmm
<supa_> Oh, there are various reasons. But the reason I'm suggesting is because you can use it "anywhere there's Java".
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<csmrfx> portable, meets your platform, threading, just because...
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<supa_> Inside: Similarly, you can do the same in Jython (you guessed it - Python implementation in Java) if you want to play with Flask/etc.
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<Inside> for now I'll just stick with regular ruby since I guess ... I have ruby installed at work and at home so portability is not a huge concern for me
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<Inside> until I figure out a use for jruby.. :/
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<lethjakman> is that like the first variable pased into the each?
<benzrf> $foo is a global var
<benzrf> $[number] is a magic var set by regex matching
<benzrf> it's a carryover from perl
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<benzrf> yug, cucumber
<lethjakman> oh...so that would come from either select_tag/check_box_tag/radio_button/file_field?
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<pontiki> the $1 is returning the text from the first match group (.+\S+)
<pontiki> which in those set of fields in the example, would be Sex, Accept user agreement, and so on
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<pontiki> the select_tag and so on are regexps that get applied in the when clauses to name
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<pontiki> for the select example, it would run the step 'I select "Male" from "Sex"'
<pontiki> make sense?
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<lethjakman> yeah...it's a work thing.
<lethjakman> not my choice
<lethjakman> yeah it does...
<lethjakman> I think.
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<lethjakman> but I feel like it it would get overrun by the last one every time, no?
<pontiki> every time.. what?
<lethjakman> sorry.
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<lethjakman> you're saying if it matches the first regex $1 will be the (.+\S+) from the first regex right?
<lethjakman> if it doesn't match it it doesn't populate $1?
<pontiki> right
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<lethjakman> ok that makes sense, thank you!
<lethjakman> sorry for wording that so confusingly
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<godd2> I'm trying to do File.open("lib/new_file.txt", "w") {|f| f.write "some text" } but it keeps complaining of "So such file or directory"
<godd2> It's true that neither the file nor the lib/ directory exist there, but I thought Ruby would create the file for me?
<godd2> "No* such file or directory"
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<godd2> I fixed it with Dir.mkdir("lib") unless File.directory? "lib"
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<rkazak> what’s the news on the street???
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<RubyPanther> Ruby slippers are still in style.
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<shevy> I prefer my ruby panties
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<csmrfx> I wear ruby glasses...
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<shevy> so you can better see my sexy ruby panties?
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<csmrfx> everything looks better with ruby red eyeglasses
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<rkazak> Ohoooo Ruby don’t take your love to town !
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<Mooneye> Hey guys, where can I find documentation for the to_json method? I'm having troubles: http://hastebin.com/emefagayim.vala
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<certainty> Mooneye: you want to implement to_json yourself on your object? But generally http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.1/libdoc/json/rdoc/JSON.html
<Hanmac1> Mooneye: your to_json method needs variable args like (*args)
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<Mooneye> certainty: to_json isn't documented there.
<Mooneye> Hanmac1: Thank you. Do you know what those args are for?
<apeiros> I think it's better in your case to define as_json
<apeiros> which would have to return {"a" => 300}
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<Mooneye> apeiros: as_json returns a hash, then?
<certainty> Mooneye: yeah i just realized. Sorry
<Mooneye> and it's automatically called by JSON.generate?
<apeiros> Mooneye: just a primitive structure
<Mooneye> certainty: No problem at all man
<apeiros> afaik, yes
<apeiros> but I can't find proper docs on it either
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<Hanmac1> Mooneye: most of the funcs does ignore them, but i found this in the docs: "state is a JSON::State object, that can also be used to configure the produced JSON string output further."
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<certainty> >> require 'json'; class Foo; def as_json; { 'foo' => 'jo' }; end end; JSON.generate(Foo.new)
<eval-in> certainty => (https://eval.in/164676)
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<certainty> damn
<Hanmac1> Mooneye: http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.1/libdoc/json/rdoc/Rational.html#method-i-as_json << there is a sample how a as_json should be defined
<tagrudev> wut wut
<certainty> tagrudev: yow
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<Hanmac1> certainty: json is part c-compiled, evalin cant still load c-compiled stdlib stuff charliesome didnt fixed that yet
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<apeiros> certainty: def as_json(*)
<apeiros> certainty: otherwise it'll blow up because JSON will pass it an arg
<certainty> apeiros: oh right
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<Mooneye> Hanmac1: Thanks much, my friend. You've been a big help.
<certainty> Hanmac: too bad :() that reminds me that he didn't yet come back to me regarding support for scheme in eval-in :/
<Mooneye> You too, apeiros/certainty
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<Hanmac> certainty: hm but he was back a few days ago to restart evalin after someone did make it hang again
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<certainty> Hanmac: maybe i should just ping him again
<apeiros> aaaaaaaaaawman
<apeiros> js - or: how to code a thousand syntax errors within a minute… :-S
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<certainty> is there a way to specify the source for a gem in separately? (in a Gemfile i mean)
<apeiros> but! build queue now allows reordering and deletion of items. yay! :D
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<apeiros> certainty: I think only for :git and :path types
<certainty> too bad
<certainty> both not applicable
<apeiros> certainty: indeed
<apeiros> we'd have company and global groups in our app gemfiles otherwise
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<apeiros> that said… our gem server is still not really up and running :)
<certainty> basically we have an internal gemserver which we use gems from and rubygems.org. Obviously we don't want to pull in gems from other sources in the case of name clashes
<certainty> apeiros: does that mean you can configure the source per group?
<Xeago> certainty: where I work we use artifactory to transparently proxy requests form rubygems
<apeiros> yeah. we use git for now instead of a gem server.
<Xeago> if it's found locally => serve that, otherwise look upstream
<apeiros> certainty: no, I said "we *would* have"
<apeiros> we don't. because afaik it's not possible.
<certainty> damn
<certainty> there is a pending PR that addes mercurial support, but it didn't get merged yet. That would help
<certainty> we don't use git here
<apeiros> Xeago: ah, interesting. gotta take a look at artifactory then
<certainty> Xeago: i'll have a look
<certainty> thanks
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<certainty> Xeago: is artifactory only available as SaaS?
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<Xeago> we host it on premise
<Xeago> bit older version tho
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<Xeago> we're upgrading to 3 Pro in someweeks
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<certainty> SaaS is not an option here
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<Xeago> As I said, we have it on premise :)
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<certainty> sorry then i didn't understand. What does that mean? I thought it was the name of a product
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<apeiros> aaahaha, facebook is down
<tagrudev> yeah -> Based on Q1 2014 earnings, Facebook is loosing 20.000 $ a minute when down.
* apeiros imagines hordes of teens utterly confused about what they ought to do now
<apeiros> tagrudev: I think that's still less than what billy earns per second?
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<tagrudev> apeiros, nope
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<apeiros> hm, indeed, only $114/s
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<tagrudev> in his best periods 231 $ p/s
<tagrudev> 20 mils a day
<tagrudev> huh
<tobiasvl> almost as hard to fathom as the size of the universe
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<csmrfx> Global economy is based on illusion
<csmrfx> Either it gets fixed soon
<csmrfx> or within decade, utter ruin
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<certainty> artifactory would probably a smart move. We also have some private clojure libraries that we need to serve.
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<Chooch> can anyone help ? what is the floss in HTML5/Ruby/Rails/FLOSS ...
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<sevenseacat> google is a wonderful thing
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<Chooch> tobiasvl lol so obvious ;) thanks
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<apeiros> the stuff you clean your teeth after coding
<Chooch> apeiros lol
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<Chooch> foss, floss confused me for a while, proponents of the term point out that parts of the FLOSS acronym can be translated into other languages.
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<sesam> hi, how can require 'pg' return true, but fail to register symbols PGconn and PG? Is this a pg gem specific problem? It only happens in one script, while other scripts, as well as scripts run from the first script, work just fine. I put more details on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24282608/
<apeiros> sooo, next up: planetary expansion and then - finally - fleet management. after that: colonialization. that'd mark the point where enemy-free single player is *working*. which would be awesome :D
<apeiros> sesam: sounds like you had a pg.rb somewhere in your load path which gets required instead of the gem's
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<sara2010> any one there
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<apeiros> sara2010: the error says that you're missing the iconv C library. no idea what to do about that on windows.
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<waterwoker> Hi all. Which book should I read for learning ruby? Can anybody please recommend?
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<Hanmac> apeiros: i telled him yesterday he should update ruby from 1.8 to 2.0+ ... but he hasnt updated his project yet
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<Hanmac> sara2010: you not need iconv as gem, update your project and replace iconv functions with String#encode methods
<apeiros> indeed
<csmrfx> waterwoker: Flanagan Matsumoto ruby book
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. :( when i m installing something it says iconv not found
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<Hanmac> sara2010: like i said the project that wants iconv need to be updated itself
<csmrfx> waterwoker: what country has ip that starts with 1?
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. i have updated !
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<Hanmac> i dont mean ruby, i mean that project/thing you want to install
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. also i have update project
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<Hanmac> sara2010: then why do you need iconv? like i said it was only for outdated 1.8 and should not be needed anymore on your newer (like you said) updated project
<waterwoker> csmrfx: it's probably proxy
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<sara2010> Hanmac . see i m installing this project
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<csmrfx> waterwoker: hehe yes, I know now
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<Hanmac> sara2010: https://github.com/projectfedena/fedena you mean this right? if yes itself does not need iconv
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. yes this one
<sara2010> check this one
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<Hanmac> what fedena version did you use? did you try the github version?
<sara2010> yes
<sara2010> i m using github
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<Hanmac> hm i think the old rails version is the problem :/
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<sara2010> Hanmac . letme show u the version
<Hanmac> (damm i have rails for a reason)
<sara2010> hmmmm
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<sara2010> Hanmac . please do something .. since yestraday working on this :(
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<Hanmac> i found this: it might help: https://github.com/ruby-journal/fedena_lts ... it fixed for ruby1.9+ and should work with 2.0
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. letme download this !
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<sara2010> Hanmac ... hope will work !
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<sara2010> Hanmac there
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<WhereIsMySpoon> Hi, I have a quick question - do attributes (attr_reader, attr_accessor) internally create get/set methods or is it something different
<tobiasvl> WhereIsMySpoon: yes, that's exactly what they do
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<sara2010> tobiasvl . can i ask
<WhereIsMySpoon> tobiasvl: ok cheers
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<tobiasvl> WhereIsMySpoon: attr_reader creates get methods on the form `def foo; return @foo; end` and attr_writer creates set methods on the form `def foo=(bar); @foo = bar; end`. attr_accessor creates both.
<apeiros> WhereIsMySpoon: you could implement attr_reader as: class Module; def attr_reader(*readers); readers.each do |reader| class_eval "def #{reader}; @#{reader}; end" end; end; end
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<tobiasvl> yeah, or what apeiros said is more to the point
<apeiros> tobiasvl: same thing really :)
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<WhereIsMySpoon> ok thanks
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<sesam> apeiros, thanks - I'm using rvm and checked all of $PATH and .rvm/ for any pg.rb -- and I found activerecord-jdbc-adapter-1.2.9/lib/pg.rb (which in turn loads PG) and heroku-2.35.0/lib/heroku/command/pg.rb
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<sesam> but still no luck. Also strange that problem appears on server (debian) but not deverloper (mac)
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<sesam> maybe rvm is to blame?
<apeiros> sesam: I doubt it.
<apeiros> $PATH is unrelated to rubys loading
<apeiros> I'd do: p $LOADED_FEATURES.grep(/pg/)
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<apeiros> within the code where you try to load pg and get the wrong one
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<sesam> ok :) (I found $: after looking through $PATH ). great! trying now
<apeiros> $: --> $LOAD_PATH (same thing, but using the latter you'll know what it actually means)
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<sesam> ok, seems ActiveRecord is the problem:
<sesam> ["/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.3-p392/gems/activerecord-jdbc-adapter-1.2.9/lib/pg.rb"]
<apeiros> you could also do: before = $LOADED_FEATURES.dup; require 'pg'; p $LOADED_FEATURES-before
<apeiros> sesam: yeah
<apeiros> once that file is loaded, require 'pg' will do nothing
<apeiros> so if that file contains 'require "pg"', then it's rather stupid :)
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<apeiros> but I guess jdbc adapter contains that because it supplants the native pg
<apeiros> it's *either* jdbs *or* native pg.
<sesam> it does load() on all pg.rb it finds
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<sesam> and probably fails to find the PG that is in .rvm
<apeiros> I don't think so
<apeiros> think about it… what does JDBC stand for?
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<sesam> JDBC is usually for java. not sure though if I can safely remove that
<apeiros> sesam: do you use jruby?
<sesam> no. MRI
<apeiros> then jdbc makes absolutely no sense.
<sesam> less /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.3-p392/gems/activerecord-jdbc-adapter-1.2.9/lib/pg.rb # Stub library for postgresql -- allows Rails to load # postgresql_adapter without error. Other than postgres-pr, there's no # other way to use PostgreSQL on JRuby anyway, right? If you've # installed ar-jdbc you probably want to use that to connect to pg.
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<apeiros> yes, allows it to load it for *JRUBY*
<apeiros> it's utterly pointless to have a java driver under mri, which is *not* java.
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<dangerousdave> does anyone here use AWS elastic beanstalk for their ruby projects? I could do with some advice on configuration
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<sesam> right. My code has no reference to it. grep -r finds some under activerecord/test/connections, so trying gem uninstall activerecord-jdbc-adapter and IT WORKED! Thank you! Answer on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24282608/ will be: before = $LOADED_FEATURES.dup; require 'pg'; p $LOADED_FEATURES-before => find activerecord-adapter, uninstall it (globally; gem uninstall ...) and done
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<sesam> can I credit you in the answer, and if, how?
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<sesam> I wrote "apeiros on freenode suggested that ..." in the beginning. Thanks again! Over and out...
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<apeiros> I can answer on SO if you want
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<sesam> apeiros, feel free to copy/paste or remix the answer I wrote, and I'll retract mine and choose yours as Final
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<apeiros> sesam: done
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<sesam> :) ktnxbai
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<apeiros> thank you
<apeiros> aaand planetary expansions work, weee :D
<apeiros> sooo… hard things now. fleet management.
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<lalli> is there method for antipluralize like "persons".antipluralize => "person"
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<Hanmac1> lalli in rails maybe, in ruby nope
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<apeiros> lalli: railsism. singularize I think
<sara2010> welcome back .. Hanmac !
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<sara2010> i dono why it says for iconv !
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<Hanmac> sara2010: it seems both versions of fedena are not designed for newer ruby and that might not change (so oyu might need to install ruby1.8.7 again), there is "Project Athena" that should be Rails4 support but it does not there yet
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<Hanmac> sara2010: the problem: fedena needs old rails -> old rails needs old ruby -> old ruby needs iconv
<sara2010> hmmm
<sara2010> from where i get ruby-1.8.7-p174.tar.gz
<sara2010> sorry this for linux
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<sara2010> from where i get rubyinstaller-1.8.7-p302.exe
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. this version not avalable in site !
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<sara2010> Hanmac .. there is Ruby 1.8.7-p374 need rubyinstaller-1.8.7-p302.exe
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<Hanmac> that version will work its only a patch change
<sara2010> okay thanks ,
<sara2010> hope it will solve my problem !
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<banisterfiend> Hanmac http://i.imgur.com/GjSj9Zm.gif
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<centrx> WTF
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<kke> what's &= ? like value &= something?
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<canton7> shorthand for value = value & something
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<kke> then i have no idea why this snippet i found has that
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<centrx> kke, With boolean values, & behaves just like &&
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<canton7> I suspect they meant &&=
<canton7> but it won't make any difference just there
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<AntelopeSalad> if i want to pass custom params to a ruby test from the command line is my only option to use ENV variables?
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<kke> AntelopeSalad: i think you might be able to do ruby test/unit/foo_test.rb -nrun_custom_test("custom_param") and in the foo_test.rb you would have def run_custom_test(custom_param) ...
<kke> actually you need to escape the ""
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<kke> in case you're passing a string as param
<AntelopeSalad> hmm
<AntelopeSalad> what if it's something that applies to all tests?
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<kke> what would that be?
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<shevy> AntelopeSalad store it in some .yml file
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<AntelopeSalad> kke: database login info
<centrx> !! config file !!
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<AntelopeSalad> centrx: it's only for tests tho, basically i want people to be able to run my test suite on their machine
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<kke> AntelopeSalad: that's the kind of stuff that belongs to config file or in some special cases env variables
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<christickner> having a problem with string encoding with Ruby...text is a mysql dump file contents.... text.gsub(/TEST/, 'It Worked!') returns an ArguementError, about encoding UTF-8. The equlivent function in PHP doesn't complain preg_replace('/TEST/', 'It Worked!', $text).. any help? Just using Ruby to write deploy scripts, don't have much exp with ruby strings =)
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<shevy> christickner you need to handle the right encoding
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<shevy> you can try .encode("UTF-8") on your string object
<shevy> and puts your_string_object.encoding to find out what encoding you have
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<shevy> .encode!('UTF-8')
<shevy> .force_encoding("UTF-8")
<shevy> encoding is very annoying in ruby; try to keep a consistent one in your code
<shevy> if you read in a file, you can do:
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<shevy> File.readlines('bla.php', :encoding => 'utf-8')
<christickner> shevy: ok thats helps a lot, thanks!
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<makerop> hi, im driving myself nuts
<makerop> does anyone see any differences between these two assignments?
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<eam> is ordering even defined in that case?
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<makerop> the former works when I send it to an API, the latter does not
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<banisterfiend> makerop shouldn't tags always get an array?
<banisterfiend> makerop you're passing it a bare string in the second hash
<makerop> banisterfiend, ya, i changed that
<makerop> still the same output
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<makerop> also disregard the top line of payload = events etc
<makerop> tags, could be a string according to the API docs though
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<makerop> figured it out
<makerop> nm, thanks
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<Hanmac> makerop: irb(main):547:1* :tags => options['program'],
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<makerop> it was the fingerprint option
<makerop> it needed to be @title
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<SloggerKhan> Is there a function to iterate through two equal sized arrays at once modifying one of them in place?
<SloggerKhan> (Or a trick that makes it look nice?)
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<SloggerKhan> thinking of using a.map! { |i| i.append(b.shift) } but that seems kind of weird.
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<ericwood> SloggerKhan: you can use something like zip
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<ericwood> SloggerKhan: can you provide more context?
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<SloggerKhan> I have two arrays of items (objects) from separate sources guaranteed to be the same length. I just need to add a couple pieces of info from one of the sources to the other for each item, so basically need to iterate two arrays in parallel and return 1 array.
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<cek> byebug not supporting multiline statements?
<cek> trying to assign: avar = "
<cek> next line "
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<cek> :14: unterminated string meets end of file
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<ericwood> SloggerKhan: sounds like a good use-case for zip
<ericwood> but let me see
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<SloggerKhan> ericwood: Zip would be great except that it operates on array of array instead of on objects I think.
<ericwood> SloggerKhan: objects?
<ericwood> what kind of objects
<ericwood> your initial example seemed like an array
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<cek> is there any good console debugger for ruby in 2014? i'm using rubymine, but starting a gui is overkill
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<momomomomo> pry
<cek> can it step, show source code?
<momomomomo> http://pryrepl.org/
<cek> multiline assignments?
<SloggerKhan> [dog1,dog2,dog3], [address1,address2,address3] -> [dog1withZipcode, dog2withZipcode, dog3withZipcode] for example.
<cek> last time I tried it was crappy
<momomomomo> lol
<ericwood> pry-debug can step
<momomomomo> that's the first time I've heard that cek
<ericwood> but stepping is stupid imho
<cek> can it next?
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<momomomomo> ericwood: firs ttime i've heard that as well
<momomomomo> can you click links cek?
<cek> no, i'm in console
<cek> can't click
<ericwood> can you copy text?
<momomomomo> "pry debugger" "Adds step, next, finish, and continue commands and breakpoints to Pry using debugger."
<bricker`work> pry debugger was all messed up in 2.1 iirc
<bricker`work> I had to uninstall it
<cek> okay... and i'm on 2.1 obviously
<bricker`work> or maybe it was 2.0
<momomomomo> bricker`work: that's a bummer
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<bricker`work> yeah :(
<momomomomo> I haven't opened a repl in a while :(
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<cek> suckatee documentation now
<banisterfiend> cek: pry-byebug should provide next/step to pry
<cek> where's proper starting point for pry?
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<cek> pry myscript.rb -- arg1 arg2 . where is this?
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<cek> i need "rdebug" sematrics
<cek> semantics
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<cek> banisterfiend: so , essentially, you're telling me to use gem that's I'm trying to escape
<banisterfiend> cek: i don't actually care what you do
<cek> well that's totally helpful
<cek> are you from russia?
<banisterfiend> cek: you have an entitled, rude attitude so i don't even care to help you
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<cek> where do you see rude attitude? I'm just trying to make this thing work. And it doesn't ...
<banisterfiend> cek: You didn't even read the documentation.
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<banisterfiend> cek: you're trying to use somethign without even knowing how it works, and when you try to use it incorrectly you claim it doesn't work. You're an idiot.
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<cek> yea, now who's being rude. Look in mirror.
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<benzrf> duuude
<benzrf> _why invented the term 'tumblelog'??
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<shevy> benzrf really?
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<shevy> "The first microblogs were known as tumblelogs. The term was coined by why the lucky stiff in a blog post on April 12, 2005, while describing Christian Neukirchen's Anarchaia."
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<xybre> Yep.
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<xybre> I bet he never got a penny from Tumblr.
<benzrf> well, they just used a word he coined
<benzrf> its not like they took his concept exactly
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<benzrf> anyway im reading closure
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<benzrf> i resisted the temptation to look up sacred clowns \o/
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<Naaab> hi guys so im a noob at ruby and i want to send the development site to production i've tried "rails s -e production"
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<Naaab> but the changes dont appear in the production site
<jhass> for rails questions join #rubyonrails
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<Naaab> ok
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<jrichocean> Sup party people!
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<jrichocean> so i mentor at a local RoR bootcamp and i was wondering if there is a specific or better channel that the youngins in the bootcamp can chat questions on when there at home?
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<jhass> #rubyonrails for rails stuff, here for general ruby stuff
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<benzrf> hey jhass
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<benzrf> * jrichocean
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<benzrf> why are you learning them rails?
<benzrf> you monster
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<benzrf> teach them plain ruby first, at least D:
<jrichocean> hahaha
<jrichocean> not my bootcamp
<jrichocean> i just help out
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<jrichocean> I think they are shooting at the Rails target beacuse of the demand for RoR devs arround here
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<pontiki> where is here, jrichocean
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<jrichocean> Utah
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<jrichocean> SLC area
<pontiki> nod
<pontiki> good stuff. i've been volunteering at RailsBridge.MN
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<benzrf> jrichocean: gross
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<jrichocean> haha
<benzrf> learn to program not to web develop =(
<jrichocean> y's that?
<jrichocean> tru that
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<jrichocean> I push katas down their gulletts
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<pontiki> force feeding to fatten up their livers
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<shevy> I push cats down their tails
<benzrf> shevy: y u do dis
<shevy> I have nothing else to do :(
<shevy> pontiki are you not in whale shape today?
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<pontiki> no, i'm at my desk, not on phone, shevy
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<RubyPanther> I thought it was an ebook, I didn't realize it was the classics
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<goleldar> i am trying to describe a non default value.. one that is passed in.. is there a better way to describe a set value?
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<jhass> goleldar: what exactly is your question?
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<goleldar> just if there was a better way of describing non default values .. but it looks like passed in value is the best way
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<jhass> non default values? write code and point at the part you want the name for
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<Panther_Modern> Looking for solid recommendations for learning resources (ebook, physical or web) for a n00b learning Ruby - anyone have any particularly loved resources they'd like to share?
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<havenwood> Panther_Modern: A bunch listed here are good: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/
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<havenwood> Panther_Modern: I like the book The Ruby Programming Language or there's a Beta Ruby 2.0 version of Well-Grounded Rubyist
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<callumacrae> Hey! Is the following actually valid in Ruby? My editor is erroring and I'm not sure if it's a problem with my editor or not
<callumacrae> config.vm.network :forwarded_port, guest: 80, host: 8080
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<jhass> looks valid
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<callumacrae> I'm getting "Expected ; or end of line" errors on both of the colons
<jhass> ruby version?
<Hanmac1> callumacrae: valid in 1.9.3 and 2.0+ invalid in 1.8
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<callumacrae> Ah, probably that then. I dunno, I'm just using the syntax highlighting in the latest IntelliJ
<Hanmac> depending on the editor it might not support the 1.9+ syntax
<stian> I'm a massive noob, but does anyone want to look at my celisus to fahrenheit convertion program real quick? I have a question as to why gets.chomp works for grabbing user input where gets.to_i doesn't, even though I am inputting a number
<Hanmac> "IntelliJ" might still in 1.8 ruby ... i have less hope that it will update to ruby2.0 before ruby3.0 is released
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<jhass> stian: just post the code (to gist.github.com) and the error message you get
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<stian> ah jhass, will do
<Hanmac> jhass: the problem as far as i see: the code is 1.9+ valid, but the edior does not know about 1.9ruby
<havenwood> callumacrae: You might checkout RubyMine for an IDE. Here's the free beta version to try: http://confluence.jetbrains.com/display/RUBYDEV/RubyMine+EAP
<callumacrae> IntelliJ = RubyMine + WebStorm + PyStorm
<stian> jhass: I posted my code to gist (not really sure how this differs from me just posting the url to the program on my github though?_
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<callumacrae> Stuff usually gets to IntelliJ a bit late, though
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<havenwood> callumacrae: RubyMine certainly supports 1.9 hash syntax.
<jhass> stian: well, I don't magically know that you uploaded it somewhere
<havenwood> callumacrae: Hem, maybe it's using Ruby 1.8? I don't use it so I'm not sure on settings.
<stian> jhass: haha alright, sorry I thought gist perhaps ran through the code :P - I'm pretty new to github as well
<stian> jhass: alright if I post you the url to the program, then?
<AntelopeSalad> if the project has ruby 1.8 for its interpreter it might throw a syntax error
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<jhass> stian: yes and the error message
<havenwood> callumacrae: I knew it was same co, but didn't realize RubyMine was a subcomponent of IntelliJ. Interesting. Using latest version?
<callumacrae> yeah, only downloaded it the other day
<stian> jhass: I can't get an error message out of it, even when running ruby with -v. https://gist.github.com/stianeklund/615db7e8f324d6de951c
<callumacrae> It doesn't really matter that much, the project I work on uses Ruby but I don't have to touch it. The only Ruby I write is in my Vagrantfiles
<stian> jhass: if you look at line 6, if I change that to gets.chomp the program works
<jhass> stian: then describe expected and actual behavior, "doesn't work" means nothing
<havenwood> callumacrae: uninstall Ruby 1.8 and install Ruby 1.9.3+
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<stian> jhass: alright, it exits out after running through the first two puts commands
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<jhass> stian: okay, that one is easy. Can you tell me what class/type the following literal has: "1"
<callumacrae> havenwood: ruby 2.0.0p451 (2014-02-24 revision 45167) [universal.x86_64-darwin13]
<callumacrae> apparently
<callumacrae> OS X Mavericks default
<stian> jhass: an integer?
<jhass> stian: do you know irb? try "1".class
<stian> I'm really not good with the "names" for all if this yet
<stian> sure
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<havenwood> callumacrae: yeah, that's the default system Ruby in Mavericks, but 1.8 is still there as well
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<havenwood> callumacrae: 1.8 is gone in Yosemite
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<stian> jhass: Fixnum
<jhass> stian: are you sure you tried "1".class and not 1.class?
<stian> Actually, Fixnum < Integer
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<stian> ah, bah
<havenwood> callumacrae: so nevermind my uninstall recommendation >.>
<stian> jhass: yes so it's a string?
<havenwood> callumacrae: OS X is an odd case.
<jhass> stian: exactly. and what class/type does gets.to_i return?
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<callumacrae> Yay OS X .-.
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<stian> jhass: an integer?
<callumacrae> How can I locate the SDK? Looks like I just need to tell IntelliJ to use the correct one
<callumacrae> …google. Ignore that
<havenwood> callumacrae: but my guess is that it's using the 1.8 system ruby instead of the 2.0 system ruby that became default with Mavericks
<jhass> stian: exactly. And now do you think "1" == 1 can return true?
<stian> jhass: :P
<stian> jhass: I understand now
<jhass> good ;)
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<stian> so then, should I have done if selection = 1 instead of "1"?
<jhass> == 1, = 1 would be an assignment
<jhass> but yeah
<stian> yes, of course, my bad
<stian> I've only played around with some python before this but fell in love with the Ruby syntax :P
<jhass> stian: another gotcha: what do you think 9 / 5 returns?
<stian> Have been reading the wel ground rubyist, really good book so far, but I'm having troubles knowing what all the names of things are
<jhass> no worries, that'll come with the time
<stian> jhass: in this case 1 most likely
<stian> since they're all integers not floats?
<jhass> kk, just checking you noticed that
<stian> tbh I have no idea how fucked up this code is atm
<jhass> it looks pretty good
<jhass> I've seen much worse
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<stian> I thought about writing a method instead that does the conversion, but it easily becomes too difficult :P
<stian> spent most of my time getting vim and tmux rolling nicely :P
<callumacrae> egh I have no idea
<stian> jhass: really appreciate the help!
<stian> ;-)
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<stian> jhass: do you have any tips on what I could do to condense the program, or should I rather just focus on learning more at this point instead of writing elegant code?
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<jhass> for what the program does, you won't make it easier
<stian> I was thinking shorter, less code/
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<jhass> that too, it's pretty much at the minimum, everything else would start code golfing
<stian> ah ok
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<stian> jhass: again thanks a lot for the help. time to rewrite it to accept float values then move on to the next project.
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<jhass> yw
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<lxsameer> hey guys, I used "sprockets", "2.2.0" in my gem file. and it is present in my Gemfile.lock with correct version, but i get errors related to sprockets 2.12 in my project, any idea?
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<jhass> lxsameer: require "bundler/setup" / bundle exec is the first thing to happen in your project?
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<lxsameer> jhass: bundle exec solved it sorry it was silly
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<shevy> \o/
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<F__i__L> can I include a module in a class instance (object) only ?
<MrPopinjay> Hey guys. Are $? and $CHILD_STATUS supposed to be the same thing? For me $? has the Process::Status object, yet $CHILD_STATUS is nil
<MrPopinjay> in 2.1.1
<jhass> F__i__L: yes, using extend. Avoid doing that a lot during runtime though
<jhass> MrPopinjay: iirc you need to require english or something?
<MrPopinjay> Oh
<MrPopinjay> !
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<Mon_Ouie> Yes, it's even 'English' with a capital E
<MrPopinjay> Thank you! :)
<MrPopinjay> I thought I was going mad
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<MrPopinjay> Next question. If I have an application with a bunch of threads running, and I raise an exception in one thread, can I make it halt the entire program somehow?
<MrPopinjay> It just seems to kill that thread
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<jhass> maybe you want to Kernel#exit?
<komanda> r
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<benzrf> threads r dum!!
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<Sigma00> just start accessing random memory and changing it until you crash
<Sigma00> or take the system down with you
<Sigma00> either way, you'll stop execution
<MrPopinjay> Hehe
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<benzrf> its segfaults all da way down eh
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<toretore> (thread|Thread).abort_on_exception=true
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<MrPopinjay> Thanks!
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<MrPopinjay> This is such a good channel :)
<Edelwin> :')
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<christickner> I have a mysql dump which appears to have two string encodings in the file - urf-8 and binary data - is there any way to "ignore" the binary data and do a string substitution on the utf-8 portion?
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<toretore> binary isn't an encoding
<christickner> ASCII-8BIT i believe
<toretore> ascii is compatible with utf8
<lxsameer> hey guys, i'm looking for a webserver application to create a very simple web application that using sprockets, any suggestion
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<MrPopinjay> What do you mean?
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<apeiros> aaaah I join and the first problem I hear about are… tadaaa… encodings! :D
<apeiros> death, taxes and encodings. the unholy three.
<pontiki> and time zones
<christickner> toretore: thanks. Is ISO_8859_1 compatible with UTF-8? sorry, I don't know much about encodings. Appreciate the help.
<toretore> no
<wallerdev> timezones are encodings for dates
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<pontiki> ++
<toretore> the first thing you need to do is make sure you know what kind of data you're working with
<christickner> toretore: yeah, its hard for me to figure that out :/
<lxsameer> MrPopinjay: something like rack
<toretore> christickner: gist the data?
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<pontiki> i had this data file once, where each line could have been in utf-8 or 8859 or 'unknown'
<apeiros> christickner: define "compatible". compatible in the sense as ascii it is not. but iso-8859-1 characters are a subset of utf-8 characters. so all of iso-8859-1 can be transcoded to utf-8
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<apeiros> the other way round can be possible, but is not always since utf-8 has a far larger set of characters.
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<toretore> MOARL OF THE STOYR IS ALWAYS US UTF 8!!!!!
<apeiros> indeed.
<apeiros> and hit everybody who still uses a non-unicode encoding with a big bat or club.
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<wallerdev> hm i just didscovered on mac os x
<jhass> or a big pile of charset specifications
<wallerdev> if you move your cursor to the bottom of an app to resize it
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<wallerdev> and move your cursor to the right and left instead of down and up
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<wallerdev> it lets you move the app around
<PPH> Hi
<christickner> toretore: its client data but I'll get a small sample. there are two encodings in this file. FWIW its a mysql dump file, it contains data from binary columns and lots of other "normal" looking data.
<MrPopinjay> Thanks for the help gang
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<apeiros> wallerdev: works on all sides
<MrPopinjay> I'm gunna play xcom, as it's out for Linux today!
<toretore> Tore 13:37: And thou shalt not use writing systems apart from UTF-8, or thou shalt be punished by death.
<MrPopinjay> Woop
<MrPopinjay> Night!
<apeiros> left/right you move up/down
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* apeiros continues writing his own game - fleet management is up :D
<wallerdev> yeah
<wallerdev> crazy stuff
<toretore> christickner: why aren't you loading it into mysql and then exporting it?
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<jhass> whoo, os x lets you move windows! it's so shiny!
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<toretore> windows is a shitty metaphor
<toretore> i hate them
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<wallerdev> i doubt windows lets you do that
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<wallerdev> its just one more thing mac does better than windows, thanks to steve jobs himself
<PPH> Anyone know a good alternative to middleman?
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<Sigma00> middlemen just increase costs to end users man. Go direct. Expand vertically
<apeiros> wallerdev: well, they didn't want to allow resizing of windows from the window sides for ages
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<apeiros> I think that only came with 10.6 or so
<wallerdev> i know
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<wallerdev> but now we get the best of both worlds
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<toretore> you have to use that little thing that always covers up what's in the corner
<PPH> Sigma00: was that sarcasm?:P
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<apeiros> that said, I found that to be a backstep in osx from os9 - os9 had big borders making grabbing and moving easy. osx had no borders at start :-/
<christickner> toretore: basically because I am not very experienced in ruby. and I just wanted this to work, but its driving me insane.. this is a capistrano thing that is going to do a find/replace on an entire db dump before moving between servers. its very ugly, I know.
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<wallerdev> borders take up space you can use for the ccontent
<toretore> haha lol
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<toretore> christickner: what is it the cap thing is doing to the data then?
<PPH> I only want to do html and css with sass and compass, I can start my projects with compass but there's no web servers comming with it.
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<christickner> toretore: replacing say "google.com" with "hotmail.com"
<christickner> can be anywhere in the db
<toretore> and what is it that makes it not work?
<christickner> gsub! throws "ArgumentError: invalid byte sequence in UTF-8"
<christickner> on the mysqldump
<toretore> how are you reading in the dump?
<toretore> code?
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<apeiros> and what encoding is the dump supposed to have?
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<christickner> I put "--default-character-set=utf8" in the dump
<christickner> File.read('dump.sql') toretore
<apeiros> you created it with mysqldump ?
<christickner> yes
<toretore> mysql and charsets don't go well together ime
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<toretore> christickner: can you gist the whole thing?
<toretore> that's not much to go on
<christickner> the data?
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<toretore> no, the code
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<christickner> hmm, if I stick in a Encoding.default_external = Encoding::ISO_8859_1
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<christickner> and for internal, it seems to work...
<christickner> but I am scared and nervous lol
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<shevy> hehe
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<matti> shevy: ;]
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<futuredale> howdy. If I'm load-ing a previous loaded class definition, is there anyway to reset the mixin cache?
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<futuredale> I'm playing around in vim with a shortcut to send `load %file` to a tmux running irb.
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<apeiros> futuredale: not with plain ruby
<apeiros> there are C extensions which allow you to un-include modules and un-extend objects
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<apeiros> what you can do with plain ruby is replace the constant. but any instance created with the old class will still be tied to that old class and its mixins.
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<shevy> :(
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<futuredale> yeah, I guess it's cuz I'm not redefining, but really just monkey patching the class I already defined.
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<futuredale> hrm
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<lxsameer> hey guys how can i activate sprockets in an ERB template which i created manually using ERB.new
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<tenseiten> Uh
<tenseiten> That's annoying
<tenseiten> JetBrains seems to have a few problems in their system
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<tenseiten> If you have the same name as one of their customers, your purchase gets licensed to them instead of you >_>
<tenseiten> yay common asian names
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<benzrf> terrellt: wow
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<benzrf> * ten
<benzrf> ugh nick switches
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<seitensei> Yeah, just got a copy of rubymine
<seitensei> but the license owner info is wrong >_<
<seitensei> got assigned to some dev over in Asia (along with his username too, haha)
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<benzrf> don't use rubymine!
<benzrf> use vim
<seitensei> emacs
<benzrf> or emacs i guess
<seitensei> lol
<benzrf> i cant imagine rubymine gives you much
<seitensei> Nah
<benzrf> considering how dynamic ruby is
<seitensei> I do a lot of stuff in IntelliJ and PyCharm as well
<seitensei> So I welcome the familiar UI/IDE
<seitensei> My license key still works though, but annoyances heh
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<momomomomo> benzrf: that's a silly way to look at things
<momomomomo> benzrf: it obviously brings benefit to some entrants
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<shevy> benzrf perhaps it's a good editor
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<benzrf> shevy: dont be absurd
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<shevy> I wouldn't know
<shevy> I use bluefish 1.0.7
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<elricsfate> Greetings everyone
<elricsfate> I'm attempting to list remote gems but it seems to never output anything beyond ***REMOTE GEMS***
<elricsfate> Command in question is "gem list puppet-lint --remote --all
<elricsfate> "
<elricsfate> Jeeze
<elricsfate> Finally did it but it takes forever. anyway to speed that up?
<Nilium> It's remote, so probably not?
<shevy> hehe
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<Nilium> Barring patches to rubygems, anyway.
<elricsfate> Nilium, I don't imagine why it would take anywhere near this long to send my request, search for it, and send the results back.
<elricsfate> *I can't imagine
<shevy> perhaps it is purposely slowing down because it does not like you
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<Nilium> I can imagine reasons why but they all revolve around it being old software that's probably not really that great
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<elricsfate> Nilium, ruby?
<Nilium> No, rubygems.
<elricsfate> Ah
<Nilium> Would be sort of funny if every gem query went through sqlite.
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<shevy> for more speed?
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<elricsfate> shevy, He probably meant mongodb since mongodb is webscale.
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<shevy> man
<shevy> today is friday :(
<shevy> I thought it is thursday...
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<dorei> friday?
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<dorei> depending on your timezone :p
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<benzrf> shevy: it IS thursday
<benzrf> u moron
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<shevy> hmmmm
<dorei> shevy: when u wake up in the morning, it'll be friday :p
<shevy> hey
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<shevy> it's friday in your country as well dorei!
<dorei> technically yes
<maletor> are these the same thing?? A_CONSTANT + "bar"; A_CONSTANT.dup.concat("bar")
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<dorei> but i always refer to which day i wore up
<dorei> woke up
<shevy> maletor hmm not sure
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<shevy> A_CONSTANT.object_id # => 69926485408360
<shevy> A_CONSTANT.dup.object_id # => 69926485308260
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<shevy> maletor ok different object_ids, so that answers it - it is not the same operation
<maletor> ya dup creates one more copy
<shevy> you can also use .const_set to set a new constant too btw
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<shevy> >> Object.const_set("foo".capitalize, 42); Foo
<maletor> does cons_set override frozen?
<shevy> >> Object.const_set("foo".capitalize, 42); Foo
<eval-in> shevy => 42 (https://eval.in/164988)
<shevy> the bot sometimes ignores me :(
<shevy> maletor hmm perhaps it becomes a new object. I think the original frozen object can not be unfrozen
<apeiros> maletor: the effect is mostly the same, but no, they're not the same.
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<shevy> what is .freeze really good for?
<apeiros> maletor: one difference being that .dup invokes #initialize_copy. String#+ does not. shouldn't ever matter as you'd have to define one in the first place.
<apeiros> shevy: handhold devs
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> aaah
<apeiros> prevent from accidental change of objects which should not be changed
<shevy> lol I actually read handheld devs
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<apeiros> future implementations of ruby might also use it as an information to optimize (future because afaik no current implementation does)
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<timgauthier> okay, so does anyone knwo how to update the SSL on mac?
<timgauthier> i got this error in my log trying to install an adobe app lol CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
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<ghanima> quick question is the following possible def function1(method)
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<ghanima> subfunction.method
<ghanima> I want to be able to pass a method as a paramter in a custom function
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