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<matti>
bitcycle: You need either development package installed or rice compiled and installed.
<matti>
bitcycle: As per what shevy said.
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<n_blownapart>
is it safe to say that keyword argument is a sort of misnomer? this is not a keyword such as def or return, but means key as in key / value pair?
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<shevy>
I think the main part of the word is argument, not keyword
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<shevy>
methods accept arguments
<shevy>
keyword argument refers to how one can specifically refer to specific/special arguments
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<shevy>
would it help you if we would write it keyword-arguments instead? :)
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<n_blownapart>
but it is written with a sort of symbol k/v pair by necessity right shevy?
<shevy>
no idea
<shevy>
I don't use them
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<shevy>
good thing in ruby is you don't have to use it
<n_blownapart>
shevy: well said
<pontiki>
it is helpful in certain contexts, though
<n_blownapart>
uh oh pontiki but could you explain to a layman in what context?
<shevy>
n_blownapart hashes are already quite useful; if I don't need one, I can pass in symbols and act on the name of the symbol; and default arguments, including special classes
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<shevy>
for instance my html generating code has something like: def table(content, css_style = Table.to_s) # or something like that, where Table holds the default css style to use
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<n_blownapart>
shevy: thanks I'm going to fiddle with it just a bit more. pontiki thanks
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<pontiki>
as a user of a library, calling a method in it, with*out* named parameters, you have to know explicitly what order to call the arguments in, even if you don't have explicit values for some of the arguments
<pontiki>
thus it produces an inherent coupling between your code and the library you're calling
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<n_blownapart>
so later you can overwrite values using merge pontiki ?
<pontiki>
inside the library, usually, yes
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<n_blownapart>
pontiki: ok that is helpful thanks.
<pontiki>
sandi metz discusses it in some detail in POODR
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<n_blownapart>
btw shevy pontiki I'm in Colombia. what a trip. oh yeah I have her book ... haven't cracked it yet..
<pontiki>
i think avdi has a tapas on it as well
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<pontiki>
i've not experienced any difficulty listening to him
<Rinehart>
Are Rails questions permitted here?
<pontiki>
oh, can't say what's up with that, n_blownapart
<pontiki>
they are preferred over in #rubyonrails, Rinehart
<Rinehart>
Thanks!
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<losvedir>
When running a ruby script does the whole program get read from disk at the beginning and then operate out of memory from then on? I ask because I’m writing a script that does an Open3.capture(‘git checkout xyz’), and will end up changing its own file out from under it. Will that blow up…?
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<set_almighty>
why I'm getting "TypeError can't convert Symbol into String" while trying to update AR object ?
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<pontiki>
losvedir: ruby reads in everything and interprets it. it doesn't keep the source files open. so overwriting the source file won't affect presently running code.
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<pontiki>
if you subsequently load the file again, it will read it and interpret it.
<losvedir>
pontiki: aha! thanks a bunch
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<ponga>
i have an array of values for hash key , how do i access specific array of hash key? for example hash = { :animal =>["cat","dog","unicorn"] } and i want to access "dog" from :animal
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<toretore>
explain more better
<agent_white>
hash[:animal][1]
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<ponga>
agent_white, thanks sir
<agent_white>
\o
<ponga>
i wonder what \o is
<agent_white>
My giving you a high five.
<agent_white>
s/my/me/
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<pontiki>
or a wave
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<toretore>
or a slap in the face
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<zhando>
Just read this the other day: http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=1091. A rant about python in 2011. Could have said this about ruby in 2005 but to my recollection no was saying anything like it.
<pontiki>
she took her love to town
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<zhando>
nobody
<Akiba_>
hey guys
<Akiba_>
can anyone help me make a script
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<pontiki>
blorp blorp
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<Nameo0>
Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me with a failure of installing a gem on a Win7 machine?
<zhando>
**silence**
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<Nameo0>
Here is the Gist with the filaure output.
<jameyd>
for a ruby gem that uses a database, what do people usually use for orm?
<sevenseacat>
activerecord ;)
<Mon_Ouie>
Nameo0: The problem is that the gem you're trying to install uses *nix shell syntax in its build script, it can't be built on Windows
<pontiki>
Nameo0: tar is a GNU program that comes on unix/linux systems. I don't know whether you need to install something like cygwin or GNU Tools for win to get that to work
<jameyd>
sevenseacat: i've had trouble finding how to use that outside of rails
<Nameo0>
Okay, thank you very much for the help. =) I wish I was coding ruby on windows, but I can get my IDE to only work on Win since Wine fucks up on Ubuntu.
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<pontiki>
jameyd: there are also Sequel and DataMapper
<Akiba_>
nameo0
<Akiba_>
code it on windows
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<Akiba_>
and then put it on a ubuntu server
<jameyd>
also, i tried ohm, but the documentation is confusing in my opinion. i'm also not sure if redis is the right solution for this gem...
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<pontiki>
Nameo0: what IDE are you using?
<jameyd>
pontiki: i've seen DataMapper recommended. have you used it?
<Nameo0>
RubyMine
<pontiki>
jameyd: I have not
<Nameo0>
pontiki: RubyMine
<pontiki>
do i understand that you can't use RubyMine for linux for some reason, Nameo0 ?
<Nameo0>
From what I have read, it should easily work on Linux, but minerefuses to work. =P
<pontiki>
it doesn't use Wine...
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<Nameo0>
Okay than, I am screwing up big time than. =/
<pontiki>
are you trying to run the windows version on Wine?
<sevenseacat>
indeed
<pontiki>
or have you downloaded the linux version?
<Nameo0>
I have the Linux version, or so I beleive.
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<pontiki>
odd, then, i have run the linux version on linux with no problems other than those caused by small memory
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<sevenseacat>
so have i - it looks like shit, but it works
<Akiba_>
so guys
<Akiba_>
can you help me make a script
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<Akiba_>
that converts apache .htaccess to nginx.conf
<sevenseacat>
o.O
<Nameo0>
Akiba: puts "Hello"
<pontiki>
no
<Nameo0>
Is that want you needed help with?
<Akiba_>
what it would have to do is strip some lines of code out of it
<jameyd>
"here's a hack to use AR without rails, you must think i'm nuts!"
<Mon_Ouie>
Well, many libraries and applications just don't need a database
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<Mon_Ouie>
(and gems are mostly libraries)
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<Akiba_>
jameyd that wouldnt work for my case
<jameyd>
Mon_Ouie: yeah, i get that impression... but i'm writing an NLP-related gem and i want to store data like source text and ngrams
<pontiki>
so, like, i wrote a little thing that used AR with an in-memory sqlite database. was i nuts?
<Akiba_>
that is only for the rewrite rules and i need the whole config
<Akiba_>
i need a script to strip some lines of code convert the syntax and do a validity check
<Akiba_>
and then put it in /etc/vhosts/*.conf
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<sevenseacat>
Akiba_: how much are you paying?
<jameyd>
Akiba_: that's a lot of work
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<Akiba_>
how long would it take you to do?
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<jameyd>
well to make it actually do it's job, at least as long as it would take to grok htaccess and nginx confs
<jameyd>
and then the script on top of that
<pontiki>
$120/hr to respond to an RFC, negotiate project price after acceptance.
<jameyd>
that seems like something you'd find on github, with years of commits and releases...
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<sevenseacat>
yep
<pontiki>
s/RFC/RFP/
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<jameyd>
why won't the existing tools work? none are perfect. it takes manual corrections most of the time
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<pontiki>
also: nginx config and apache config are fundamentally different languages
<Akiba_>
jameyd you can have it do its job pretty much perfectly
<Akiba_>
if you were to take the time out and properly code it
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<pontiki>
then you show us how
<pontiki>
seriously
<Akiba_>
lol idk how
<Akiba_>
but ik its possible
<pontiki>
you are quite sure it's possible
<sevenseacat>
like i said, how much are you paying?
<Akiba_>
there are many similar things between both of them
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<Akiba_>
and how much do you want for it?
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<pontiki>
i told you my price
<sevenseacat>
i doubt anyone here will work for free, and thats what it is, work
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<sevenseacat>
we'
<sevenseacat>
rre not 'helping' you do anything
<sevenseacat>
we're doing it for you
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<mapi-mopi>
console.log("fail");
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<jameyd>
as far as DBs for gems go, you are all recommending either AR, Sequel, or just write it as a library that supposes the user will have data to feed it?
<pontiki>
jameyd: i'm not sure what else you're looking for here...
<zhando>
dang. I'm impressed!
<ari-_-e>
impressed?
<zhando>
yeah.. that's a sweet bot..
<jameyd>
pontiki: i know it seems vague, i'm just having trouble engineering it at the point i'm at and wondering if i'm trying to stuff too much into the gem
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<jameyd>
maybe i'm looking for a nudge toward idiomatic engineering for something like that
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<jameyd>
i eventually want to use the gem on a website, too, which might get real weird if it uses its own DB logic
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<pontiki>
jameyd: if you're gem is going to depend on storing data, in a structured and easily retrievable way, external to the running program, perhaps persisted over time, i think depending on a database module is a thing you should do
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<pontiki>
that AR takes a bit of extra startup work outside of Rails isn't really all that big a consideration, if you're data models have relationships
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<jameyd>
pontiki: it is going to depend on data, a lot of it, and hopefully persistent data. NLP-related stuff is far too data heavy to rely on storage in memory
<Akiba_>
sevenseacat: how much money would you want
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<sevenseacat>
Akiba_: about the same as pontiki - initial money to start gathering requirements and then a proper quote after that.
<jameyd>
yeah i'm not concerned with the work it'll take to set up but with the sentiment i've seen on the internet about "i know it's weird but check this out...."
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<pontiki>
Akiba_: honestly, though, i wouldn't consider you a proper business risk at this point to even offer to do and RFP
<Akiba_>
whats an rfp
<pontiki>
request for proposal
<jameyd>
Akiba_: it might help to describe your problem at least a little, because i'm positive you don't need a script for this
<jameyd>
but i know next to nothing about your needs
<Akiba_>
converting apache htaccess rules to nginx rules
<Akiba_>
so that you dont have to use apache
<jameyd>
right and like i said there are many tools out there that attempt to do this for you
<jameyd>
and get you very close to where you need to be
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<pontiki>
jameyd: i don't think you should worry all that much about how weird someone might perceive it
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<pontiki>
pulling your gem under rails at some point in the future might require some tweaking, sure
<pontiki>
but that's the future
<jameyd>
pontiki: my experience with ruby so far has been one of convention, and i like it, and doing things idiomatically has saved me much heartache coming from python, php, etc. just my initial reaction to seeing that sentiment.
<pontiki>
it's not that choosing AR now is going to preclude you from doing so in the future
<jameyd>
thanks for the nudge
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<pontiki>
take a spin through ruby toolbox and see what other choices are out there as well
<jameyd>
Akiba_: my advice to you would be to just learn nginx a bit and rewrite them yourself.
<jameyd>
it will be much cheaper in terms of time and money, and you'll learn something
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<jameyd>
unless you for some reason have 1 million vhosts that need to be switched at the same moment, and your apache confs are 100s of lines long
<jameyd>
in which case i still suggest rethinking why the problem is so complex. simplify your setup, start fresh
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<sevenseacat>
probably good advice
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<pontiki>
very good advice. it's what i did going from apache to nginx
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<pontiki>
so it must be good advice :D
<jameyd>
haha
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<jameyd>
overly complicated apache configurations that make you feel like you need a script to convert them is a smell
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<pontiki>
good lord, was it ever
<pontiki>
from godaddy's rotten setups
<jameyd>
"code reek"
<Akiba_>
jameyd: learning nginx and doing it myself is not a solution
<Akiba_>
that solution does not scale
<pontiki>
learning... does not scale
<pontiki>
interesting take
<sevenseacat>
i guess its about time vs money
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<pontiki>
perhaps
<Akiba_>
lol i mean manually changing them does not scaler
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<Akiba_>
scale*
<jameyd>
learning is the most scalable solution i can imagine
<pontiki>
but irc is a rather odd place to come to hire someone
<bitcycle_>
Hey all. I've installed ruby 1.9.3 to /opt/company/bin/ruby from source and now I'm trying to install rice, but I get this strange error: /opt/mcc/bin/ruby -I/home/bitcycle/git/rice/ruby/lib -C t1 extconf.rb --with-cppflags="-I/home/bitcycle/git/rice" --with-libpath="/home/bitcycle/git/rice/rice" \n checking for main() in -lrice... no // has anyone seen this before and resolved this issue?
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<pontiki>
is this any different than before, bitcycle_ ?
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<bitcycle_>
pontiki: sorry, I guess not. I realize that I'd mentioned it here before, but I wasn't sure that anyone took notice of my question. Did you happen to respond before?
<pontiki>
no, but other people did
<bitcycle_>
pontiki: shoot, is there an irc log?
<sevenseacat>
check the channel topic
<pontiki>
what looks odd to me, bitcycle_, is you say you installed ruby to /opt/company/bin/ruby, but that error indicates it's using /opt/mcc/bin/ruby
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<bitcycle_>
sevenseacat: kk, I'll check.
<pontiki>
is that what you intend?
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<sevenseacat>
he probably tried to anonymize the name :P
<bitcycle_>
pontiki: I'm dumb, I meant to not mention company-related acronyms on irc is all.
<bitcycle_>
lol.
<pontiki>
oh
<Akiba_>
lol
<Akiba_>
mcc is the company?
<pontiki>
i really have to stop taking things at face value, don't i
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<jameyd>
man, redis would be nice for my project, but i feel like my data is a level too deep...
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<jameyd>
pontiki: ruby toolbox is neat, thanks for showing me
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<bitcycle_>
pontiki: I just finished looking through shevy's response from the logs. He advised to find librice.so and update LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which is what I've attempted, but seems not to work. Funny thing is that installing rice 1.4.3 on RVM works just fine.
<shevy>
barely
<shevy>
I never mentioned LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<bitcycle_>
shevy: I assumed that's what you meant by "find the librice.so file".
<shevy>
did I write that?
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<pontiki>
jameyd: is your data fundamentally key-value pairs?
<bitcycle_>
shevy: Does it really matter that much?
<shevy>
here is my backlog bitcycle
<shevy>
<shevy> I dont know rice
<shevy>
<shevy> but it seems as if it tries to find librice.so
<shevy>
bitcycle, yeah because I don't like being attributed to statements I never made, sorry
<pontiki>
i don't know what you store for NLP related data
<bitcycle_>
shevy: whatever.
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<sevenseacat>
rawr
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<jameyd>
pontiki: the core of it is, ngrams as a key and list of potential following words as value. but i want to separate them by source text, requiring an extra level
<jameyd>
so %w(the boat's bottom) could be in moby dick's corporus as well as... i dunno, some encyclopedia's
<shevy>
lol
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<jameyd>
looking at couchdb now, which i've heard of but never read about
<pontiki>
though, yes, what i think you're talking about is not just key-value, but relationships
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<jameyd>
meaning.... just use pg
<jameyd>
haha
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<pontiki>
i don't know, honestly
<jameyd>
yeah, i actually will need to query quite a bit, and use relationships. the more i tihnk about it the more i can envision the types of sql queries i'd need
<pontiki>
that wasn't where i was going at all
<pontiki>
that's helpful
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<jameyd>
awesome, i think i'm going to wrassle with Sequell tomorrow and see what happens
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<jameyd>
thanks everybody, have a good night!
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<Akiba_>
anyone know how to anycast?
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<ariedler>
what seems like a stupid question; I want to print all class level variables... can't find how
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<Mon_Ouie>
Module#class_variables
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<ariedler>
Mon_Ouie: thanks, wow what a derp
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<stian>
morning :)
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<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: from all I know?
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<mus1cb0x>
well yea
<wasamasa>
not sure yet
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<wasamasa>
I know python best, so I'd still use it on the offchance
<wasamasa>
the lisps are very fun, but hunting for libraries isn't
<wasamasa>
just started learning ruby recently
<mus1cb0x>
thoughts on ruby so far?
<havenwood>
bees knees
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<wasamasa>
as they say there's no perfect language :P
<wasamasa>
and I'm slowly starting to realize that
<havenwood>
hem, is it the knees of the bees or a single bee's knees?
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<wasamasa>
well, I like how it feels for writing scripts
<havenwood>
snakes have no knees, sorry python
<wasamasa>
because it comes with better regex support and lots of shorthand
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<mus1cb0x>
what do you think sux about py?
<wasamasa>
what I don't like is that it feels too magic at times
<wasamasa>
my co-worker is learning rails at the moment and the problems he's run into are scary
<havenwood>
wasamasa: like what?
<wasamasa>
havenwood: he found out it does some sort of automatic pluralization on routes and all
<wasamasa>
havenwood: then did a minor mistake by taking it for granted and had to debug it for half a day to find out he used a pluralized form accidentally
<wasamasa>
havenwood: he summed it up as "It would never have happened if it weren't a default"
<havenwood>
opinionated framework is opinionated
<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: well, the language itself is rounded up pretty well, so what I dislike is mostly about the social effects
<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: like the py2/3 split
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<mus1cb0x>
such as?
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<havenwood>
pip
<wasamasa>
and what some people do when it comes to packaging
<wasamasa>
look at calibre for instance
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<wasamasa>
they just decided to grab all libraries they needed and include them in the sources
<wasamasa>
and thus became even slower and more complex to hack on
<ddv>
this keeps redirecting in Safari: Libraries » lotus-model (0.1.1)
<ddv>
Processing lotus-model
<ddv>
lotus-model (0.1.1) is being processed. You'll be redirected when the pages are built, it shouldn't take much longer.
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<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: I'll see whether they just offer shorter code or better design, too
<mus1cb0x>
yea that's what i wanna know...
<havenwood>
wasamasa: You can just use pure Rack if you don't want to use a framework, but something minimalist like NYNY or Hobbit tends to be a nicety.
<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: until then I'd say it comes down to what philosophy you agree more with
<csmrfx>
is rack a good webserver?
<mus1cb0x>
also, writing ruby for a web app, vs py
<csmrfx>
I dont think so
<havenwood>
wasamasa: Or there are some new non-Rack options coming up, like Lattice.
<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: what I can tell you is that using coffeescript to write a web app is something I'll never do again
<havenwood>
csmrfx: webmachine ftw
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<csmrfx>
I dont think so
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<wasamasa>
mus1cb0x: especially not in combination with ember
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<mus1cb0x>
is webmachine slow? being a ruby based web server
<wasamasa>
havenwood: so it's just because they community decided it's the best fundament they've come up with?
<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: There are a bunch of standardized options for Rack web servers that you can use with Rack. Most often you also use a Rack framework, like Rails or Sinatra as well.
<mus1cb0x>
is rack async/event based?
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<mus1cb0x>
i was thinking of using nginx
<csmrfx>
for what?
<mus1cb0x>
for web serving i mean
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<havenwood>
wasamasa: It was standardized around and a nice selection of options cropped up. There are some new options forming around webmachine but they aren't mature yet.
<csmrfx>
sounds like a plan
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<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: nginx is a very popular option for a reverse proxy
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<mus1cb0x>
would i use rack as the app server backend behind nginx?
<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: you'd put your rack webserver behind the nginx reverse proxy
<csmrfx>
well, yes
<mus1cb0x>
why use rack's web server too?
<csmrfx>
if you expect low traffic?
<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: nginx would simply handle load balancing and serving static files if you'd like
<mus1cb0x>
i'm talking about production/serving
<wasamasa>
havenwood: I see then
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<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: you can do a pure Ruby option like Rainbows! and cut out nginx, but since it's so darned fast and good at what it does it it typical to put nginx in front of something like unicorn
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<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: with little traffic no need
<mus1cb0x>
what's unicorn
<ddv>
just use phusionpassenger with nginx
<havenwood>
mus1cb0x: one of many Rack webservers
<mus1cb0x>
again i'm not talking low traffic. rather, high traffic
<wasamasa>
my theory on that is its free plan plus the deployment
<Mon_Ouie>
Also Matz works there
<havenwood>
wasamasa: one option to deploy a Rack app, there are many now - just you do see webrick apps deployed on it because if you don't specify otherwise it deploys with webrick
<canton7>
the free tier makes it quite handy for testing stuff / personal projects
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<havenwood>
Mon_Ouie: that's right, they fund a few of the ruby-core huh
<havenwood>
very nice
<shevy>
guys
<shevy>
it's time again
<shevy>
down with the pants
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<apeiros>
what pants?
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<wasamasa>
well, time for me to test it then
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<pontiki>
testing your pants?
<apeiros>
test dropping your pants?
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<havenwood>
test passing, time to refactor
<shevy>
refactor your pants?
* wasamasa
is off to work
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<mus1cb0x>
seems like there are more jobs for python wasamasa
<ponga>
more jobs for python than ruby?
<havenwood>
so many ruby jobs..
<shevy>
waaaaa
<shevy>
long live ruby!
<shevy>
down with the pythons
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<ponga>
i see shevy loves ruby
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<sevenseacat>
as much as he loves javascript
<havenwood>
ha
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<havenwood>
opal!
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<havenwood>
:P
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<ponga>
i love js and ruby
<ponga>
actually i love js, ruby and python but not java
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<shevy>
ponga hmm
<shevy>
ponga it depends
<shevy>
what I like is the elegance
<ponga>
depends what
<shevy>
ponga well ruby has a few quirks here and there
<ponga>
do you think java has elegance shevy
<shevy>
not that I could see
<ponga>
too
<shevy>
years ago, I read from a guy who wrote a game in java
<shevy>
he stopped after it reached 500k lines of code
<ponga>
i never liked how you get user input in java (from the book i read)
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<ponga>
lol
<shevy>
and one reason he said that he stopped was because he no longer wanted to maintain it and thought that the complexity can be a big problem if it leads to a proliferation of lines of code
<canton7>
ruby and java are quite different beasts, and have different uses
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<ponga>
what language would you write game in shevy
<shevy>
though admittedly, I find making games actually extremely difficult in general
<ponga>
it is
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<ponga>
it is
<shevy>
look at apeiros
<shevy>
he already lost motivation like 10 times with his latest game ;-)
<canton7>
*any* project that's big enough to reach 500k lines starts to become tricky to maintain :P
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<shevy>
canton7 I am quite happy with my ruby code so far in general
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<ponga>
but can you write game in shevy i think that's difficult
<shevy>
I'd get eye cancer if the same amount of functionality would be in java code
<ponga>
*in ruby
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<shevy>
ponga I tried!
<shevy>
but I never finished
<ponga>
so you tried :)
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<shevy>
yeah...
<ponga>
how did you manage graphics part
<ponga>
rendering images on the fly
<shevy>
well, I finished things like minesweeper in ruby-gnome, though it had a few minor bugs
<shevy>
ruby-gnome
<ponga>
bugs in minesweeper
<shevy>
because from what I can see, it was the most complete stuff
<ponga>
like what
<shevy>
ponga I don't quite recall...
<ponga>
what kind of bug can you have..
<ponga>
in minesweeper
<shevy>
I stopped writing ruby-gnome things for some years, only since a year I am slowly digging through ancient code
<shevy>
and turning things into .gem files too
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<ponga>
is ruby limited to command-line uses ?
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<sevenseacat>
ponga: a lot of bugs are possible
<shevy>
ponga well you need to come up with an idea how to simulate minesweeper
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<shevy>
my idea was simply to make all fields on the game map Gtk::Button childs
<ponga>
i was joking sirs
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<shevy>
but minesweeper is actually quite simple
<shevy>
and ruby-gnome provided all GUI components anyway haha
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<ponga>
oh and shevy remember when i annoyed everyone about gui solution for ruby
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<ponga>
i actually settled with rails
<ponga>
html was what i needed
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<shevy>
ack
<shevy>
:(
<ponga>
what ack shevy
<shevy>
you entered the rails world
<ponga>
why
<shevy>
you are no longer one of us
<ponga>
what!?
<shevy>
I don't think we can be friends anymore :(
<ponga>
but my chatterbot core is built in ruby!
<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
ponga, let's say you write a rails app
<ponga>
i just needed rails for rendering html canvas function(for graphics)
<shevy>
what if someone else wants to use it
<ponga>
and to put my chatbot on web too
<ponga>
what do you mean shevy
<shevy>
well
<shevy>
you run a chatbot on your web
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<ponga>
yeah
<shevy>
what if someone else wants to run that chatbot?
<ponga>
hm.. access the url?
<ponga>
have i got this wrong?
<shevy>
hehehe
<shevy>
ok but then it is just a service anyway
<ponga>
im trying build waifu chatbot shevy
<ponga>
i speak japanese <- good reason to start one
<shevy>
to compare, the ruby-gnome minesweeper game people would download and use
<ponga>
i don't want people to just download their waifu...
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<shevy>
(ok noone would because it's not cool, somewhat buggy... and I never made it into a standalone gem because I am so lazy...)
<shevy>
what is waifu?
<ponga>
well
<shevy>
I only know sake, sashimi, suhi and nori
<shevy>
and sumo
<shevy>
*sushi
<ponga>
you know those kinky drawings of girls by japanese people
<shevy>
oh and miso soup
<ponga>
and public who fap over them
<shevy>
hentai!
<ponga>
that's the 'waifu'
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
waifu is a funny word
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<shevy>
almost like kung fu
<ponga>
shevy its funny because japanese people never use 'wife' to refer to their picture-counterpart of girlfriend
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<ponga>
they say 'yome'
<ponga>
i believe it was invented by western weaboos
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
do you know the card game magic, the gathering?
<ponga>
so what im trying to do here is this
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<ponga>
build a chatbot core with ruby that speaks fluently enough to care and cheer weaboos
<shevy>
I think years ago, I read a story... the japanese did not have all words in their language; i think the specific word they japanified was "to tap" a card (to draw mana into a mana pool, before one is eligible to cast a spell)
<ponga>
use html5 functions to add graphics(IMPORTANT!) and sound
<ponga>
and put it on web
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<mus1cb0x>
wasamasa: i might actually lean towards py
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<ponga>
shevy: that's not technically true, japaense language has a word for it, but they think its 'kwel' to use english anyway
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<shevy>
I'm gonna just picture me an idealized version of japan
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<shevy>
bboys and ninjas everywhere, some samurai to greet in shopping malls, cute gals, crazy programmers, AND a remake of takeshi's castle
<sevenseacat>
cant go wrong with takeshi's castle.
<shevy>
haha
<sevenseacat>
add in ninja warrior and you got a deal.
<shevy>
the best was when they were disguised as monsters
<shevy>
like the indian totem pole guy that had to cross that bridge
<shevy>
he couldn't keep his balance even without any balls shot at him
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<shevy>
ninja warrior seemed so difficult
<ponga>
takeshi's castle lol
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<shevy>
ponga the funniest thing is german translations
<ponga>
takeshi's castle and a german translation now?!
<shevy>
ponga there were kung fu movies where they just made up the dialogue in german
<ponga>
what is going on here good sir
<shevy>
yeah that too
<ponga>
ah
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<ponga>
isn't rails good solution if wanted to put graphics to my chatbot share it on web shevy
<shevy>
ponga are there many spoken dialects of the japanese language?
<ponga>
yeah
<shevy>
I can't really judge, I don't use rails
<ponga>
関西 関東 沖縄 東北 etc etc
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<shevy>
I guess the www is so dominating that it will crush all the other toolkits eventually
<ponga>
west , east, okinawa(island province), north-east
<shevy>
okinawa!
<shevy>
karate kid!
<shevy>
mr. miyagi
<ponga>
are you sad that www will crush all other kids
<shevy>
well
<shevy>
it depends
<daxroc>
Morning all
<shevy>
I guess in the distant future it might be good
<shevy>
all has been unified and stuff
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<shevy>
but right now, all I see is the ruby-GUI bindings dying down and away
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<ponga>
its evening here
<ponga>
:P
<ponga>
no sad shevy, i will rent you a waifu when my project's done
<ponga>
so the bot could cheer you up
<ponga>
24/7/365
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<shevy>
I liked the style of ruby-qt the most
<shevy>
but that one died down more or less
<shevy>
shoes4 - omg, java ...
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<daxroc>
I'm capturing a password entry from cli input using $stdin.gets.chomp and using it to login to a remote service. Tho it fails to login if I read the same password from a yml file it works fine. I've gone as far as to compare the input with a hard coded string of the password to verify they do match. Not sure where to go next ?
<ponga>
you can use all the fancy html stuff with rails shevy
<shevy>
though I have no idea why it should fail when it would work from a yaml file
<shevy>
you must be doing something wrong ;-)
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<shevy>
hmm I have to leave here for a while
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<daxroc>
Yeah, its strange. The comarison of input is a match so beats me
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<minver>
I II wanna start a Sidekiq process that processes 10 jobs and then quits. Any ideas how to accomplish that?
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<daxroc>
shevy, hah works with highline
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<mus1cb0x>
anyone made a web app using nodejs?
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<set_almighty>
mus1cb0x: yes
<mus1cb0x>
what was that like for you?
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<mus1cb0x>
set_almighty:
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<set_almighty>
mus1cb0x: that was kind of strange )
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<mus1cb0x>
in what way?
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<mus1cb0x>
i'm trying to decide between ruby/python/javascript for web app RAD
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<set_almighty>
I made a server for something like chatroulette
<set_almighty>
choose what you know best
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<mus1cb0x>
well i can learn anything
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<set_almighty>
ruby fits traditional web apps
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<set_almighty>
i'd choose nodejs for special cases
<set_almighty>
like when you need whole app to be demonized
<set_almighty>
and I can't say anything about python
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<ari-_-e>
what did the app do to deserve being demonized?
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<matson>
probably not that different from ruby stuff, differences are probably more in philosophy and opinions how to do things
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<set_almighty>
ari-_-e: in my case i have to store user connections and SDP offers and connect them randomly based on some conditions and I don't want to use files or database to store this information
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<Killerkeksdose>
Is a one armed unless expression better than a if else expression ? like "if file is writeable than write else raise error" or "unless file is writeable raise error"
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<thomasfedb>
Killerkeksdose, often doing "raise X unless Y; do_thing()" is more condense than "if Y; do_thing(); else: raise X; end".
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<thomasfedb>
Killerkeksdose, also, it reduces indentation depth.
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<thomasfedb>
Killerkeksdose, also, I prefer it. But it's really up to you, if the result is equivalent.
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<Killerkeksdose>
thomasdefb, thanks alot.
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<thomasfedb>
Killerkeksdose, no worries mate.
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<daxroc>
I'm using the ruby vcloud sdk https://github.com/vchs/ruby_vcloud_sdk how would I stop the xml being output to stdout and selectivly parse it for progress / status ?
<daxroc>
Any pointers would be appreciated
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<wasamasa>
I bet someone ported expect to ruby
<apeiros>
wasamasa: spend a second in the docs and discover its in stdlib :-p
<apeiros>
(and has been for over a decade)
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<wasamasa>
which is?
<wasamasa>
open3?
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<apeiros>
wasamasa: require 'expect' and then IO#expect
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<wasamasa>
ah, nice
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<wasamasa>
daxroc: yes, you
<wasamasa>
daxroc: you should be using expect
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<daxroc>
Huh expect to parse xml?
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<wasamasa>
no, to find stuff in process stdout
<wasamasa>
to parse xml I'd use nokogiri
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<daxroc>
Would it not be better to do a custom logger that doesnt post to stdout
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<user12>
result = RSpec::Core::Runner.run(existing_test_files) on pc1 executes all tesfiles once, on the other machines n times. what could be the reason?
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<user12>
no one?
<ponga>
me
<ponga>
but no help
<ponga>
im n00b
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<user12>
to be more exact: only everything which is marked with describe, context and it is executed n times
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<ncopa>
hi! are there any blog post or documentation that tells how to package ruby applications in your distro without losing sanity?
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<ncopa>
i have done the mistake to start let package manager deal with ruby-* packages (so end users only need to deal with one package manager)
<ncopa>
now i have security bugs in actionpack that needs to be fixed
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<centrx>
I just use the provided ruby and use gems for everything else
<ncopa>
but upgrading ruby-actionpack-4.0.x to ruby-actionpack-4.0.x+1 seems to break anything ruby-*-4.0.4...
<ncopa>
centrx: that is what seems to be the only sane way
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<ncopa>
unfortunally, some users seems to struggle with the distro package manager and they dont have interest in learning a programming language (in their eyes... eg run gems) to run their application
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<wasamasa>
I'm currently using gems, too
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<wasamasa>
but I find it weird that heroku announced gems to be obsolete for their client
<wasamasa>
and instead release a "pack" containing their client, foreman and git
<wasamasa>
this might make sense for stuff like windows
<wasamasa>
or maybe osx
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<wasamasa>
but just as an alternative to standalone installations
<ncopa>
i dunno, but the general release engineering for gems seems a bit .. hmm dunno how to say it without offending anyone...
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<ncopa>
"different"
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<ncopa>
anyways
<ncopa>
seems like users will have to either learn how to do gems or live with a vulnerable redmine install...
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<apeiros>
woooow, first time crash type in 10y of irb for me
<apeiros>
inputcompletor crashed :D
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<prateekp>
best book for learning about creating modules classes in ruby
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<prateekp>
or any online resource
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<user12>
result = RSpec::Core::Runner.run(existing_test_files) - if testfiles is an array of 2 files then its tests run once on pc1, on pc2 twice. what could be the reason?
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<xeqtr>
hi. im writing a cli app in ruby (im usually a php programmer so im quite new to ruby). is there a way that i can bind a key?
<xeqtr>
I wanna walk through an array when pressing the up-key
<xeqtr>
like walking through history in a terminal
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<wasamasa>
sounds a bit more like ncurses
<wasamasa>
or wait
<wasamasa>
readline, sorry
<xeqtr>
readline?
<wasamasa>
yes
<wasamasa>
the thing bash uses
<xeqtr>
that wont capture the pressing of up-arrow?
<wasamasa>
so that you can press the up key and it goes back in history
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<xeqtr>
yeah but i dont wanna go back through bash history
<wasamasa>
it's just an example...
<xeqtr>
ok
<wasamasa>
anyways, what exactly are you building?
<wasamasa>
cli means you just run an application with command line arguments
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<wasamasa>
no way to use keys in there :P
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<xeqtr>
ooh thats a nice gem
<xeqtr>
or well, not gem but addon
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<wasamasa>
if you'd build a repl-like thingie, readline would work for that
<wasamasa>
if it's supposed to fill out the full screen and update its contents like less or vim or nethack, then it's ncurses
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<wasamasa>
and you've got more things to worry about than just binding keys
<xeqtr>
yeah no its not an ncurses thingie i need (worked with ncurses before).
<xeqtr>
im making some additions to our database revisioning systems
<xeqtr>
which requires me to build a really simple terminal-emulating app first
<wasamasa>
hah, simple and terminal-emulating
<xeqtr>
so im really just throwing together a simple terminal
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<ponga>
what was ::
<xeqtr>
trust me this is simple
<ponga>
can't remember
<wasamasa>
ponga: namespace operator?
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<pontiki>
xeqtr: take a look at the highline gem, i think it does keyboard capture
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<pontiki>
a whole lot of other stuff, too
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<xeqtr>
pontiki: thanks but the readline works exactly as i need it to.
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<pontiki>
cool
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<xeqtr>
pontiki: isnt a terminal emulator im writing btw its a really simple shell
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<pontiki>
no worries, really
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<pontiki>
highline isn't a terminal emulator, either, it's a package for fancy IO within a cli app
<pontiki>
if readline works, that's awesome
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<jpoole>
Maybe not the right place, but I was wondering if in an .erb template if there was a way to produce a variable, only if it is defined. example produce foo="<%= @variable %>" in a template, only if @variable has a value.
<pontiki>
so you would not want the foo= part if @variable.nil?
<jpoole>
correct
<jpoole>
not sure if that is possible.
<pontiki>
foo= is in the html portion (assuming in some embedded script) ?
<workmad3>
jpoole: it sounds almost like you're asking 'is it possible to have something output conditionally from an erb script'...
<jpoole>
pantiki ahh awesome that's exactly what i wanted.
<jpoole>
I wasn't sure of the syntax
<jpoole>
thank you.
<jpoole>
this is more of a configuration file in a chef recipe
<jpoole>
but nonetheless it's pretty much the same.
<workmad3>
jpoole: you could also do '<% unless @variable.nil? %>foo="<%= @variable %>"<% end %>
<pontiki>
there's probably a better way, then, since chef recipes are just ruby
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<workmad3>
pontiki: I think he means it's a config file being generated from a chef template (which are usually erb processed :)
<workmad3>
so either way...
<jpoole>
workmad3 exactly.
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<jpoole>
thanks again
<pontiki>
oh, sure
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<workmad3>
jpoole: if you don't care to distinguish between false and nil, you can also do '<% if @variable' instead of 'unless @variable.nil?'
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<jpoole>
workmad gotcha, I guess I was more concerned of what logic a template can do. It looks like I can put alot more ruby inside the templates than I originally thought.
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<jpoole>
I should read up more on erubis ;)
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<pontiki>
you can put all the logic in a template, it's just not a good idea to
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<workmad3>
jpoole: you can write pretty much arbitrary ruby in <% %> blocks ;)
<jpoole>
workmad3 apparently ;)
<workmad3>
pontiki: annoyingly, chef doesn't provide a nice way to add helpers into template rendering :(
<jpoole>
most of the heavy lifting is done in the recipe, there is just some cases where I need to do some functions
<pontiki>
yeah, i've only done basic substitution recipes
<pontiki>
/ templates
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<jpoole>
generally that's all I do as well.
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<workmad3>
I tend to do substitution and conditional output, occasionally I'll do some looping over a set of information
<pacMakaveli>
Does anyone have any experience on deploying with Capistrano from CircleCI? :)
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<workmad3>
when things get complicated, I'll calculate it in the recipe or resource beforehand and pass the finished chunk of config into the template (or generate the entire file with a file resource)
<pontiki>
i have yet to build a recipe that complicated
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<workmad3>
pontiki: by 'complicated' I pretty much mean 'a line with several optional bits in it'
<workmad3>
pontiki: e.g. a syslog log line in nginx... 'syslog:server=<address>,facility=<facility>,tag=<tag>,severity=<severity> <log_format>' where facility, tag and severity could be optional
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<workmad3>
pontiki: messy to do in the template because it has to be on one line, and several conditional bits :)
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<pontiki>
oh, huh, interpolation wouldn't work there?
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<workmad3>
pontiki: need to remove the facility=, tag= and severity= bits if they're not there
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<wasamasa>
hmpf
<momomomomo>
workmad3: you use circle CI?
<workmad3>
pontiki: so interpolation starts to look messy :)
<workmad3>
momomomomo: no
<wasamasa>
that heroku thing is quite confusing
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<wasamasa>
no ssh access?
<momomomomo>
i'm lost in this conversation
<momomomomo>
~:|
<seitensei>
D:
<pontiki>
momomomomo: it's about 10 conversations :) the beauty of IRC
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<momomomomo>
ah :p
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<workmad3>
IRC - where you can engage in 10 conversations in 20 different channels at once... and not have a clue what any of them are about
<momomomomo>
ha; I usually hold a few at once
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<momomomomo>
I do really love that some channels are so niche that the convo gets interesting
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<seitensei>
I think I have 50 channels open D:
<momomomomo>
ie: solr, spark, jruby
<momomomomo>
also, reddit-gamedev is constant bafoonary, which is great sometimes :)
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<pontiki>
alternately, you can be in 40 windows and aboslutely no one is saying anything, for hours! #idleruby
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<momomomomo>
pontiki: ha; which is half of mine :(
<momomomomo>
sucks when you want to discuss something and no one responds though in those channels
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<elaptics>
wasamasa: the point of heroku is that you don't need ssh or anything - you are paying them to do the devops stuff :)
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<wasamasa>
but I don't pay them :<
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<pontiki>
then you *really* shouldn't complain
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<elaptics>
wasamasa: you will if you need to step outside the free tier...
<wasamasa>
it's just that I want to figure out how I can have interacting components there
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<elaptics>
wasamasa: like what?
<wasamasa>
it doesn't quite make sense to me yet
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<wasamasa>
a web application that relies on something different doing webscraping like every hour
<wasamasa>
that web application needs to have access to the data gathered
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<momomomomo>
you can use background jobs with heroku
<workmad3>
wasamasa: either store it in the database, a cloud storage system (like s3) or don't use heroku
<pontiki>
why isn't the scraping a component of your app? it can run as a worker every hour, share the models, etc
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<momomomomo>
^
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<momomomomo>
or, if it's a separate service, manage that on its own service and update with an api on your app
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<wasamasa>
well, uh, I wanted to do it the easiest way
<workmad3>
wasamasa: as in dump it in a temp file and have the webapp load it from there?
<wasamasa>
will probably use a database at some point because that makes it a lot simpler to create an atom feed
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<workmad3>
wasamasa: the 'easiest way' isn't possible on heroku... that's all there is to it ;)
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<pontiki>
whaaa???
<pontiki>
i thought a background task in the app would be dead easy
<wasamasa>
judging from their docs I can use rake with their scheduled jobs
<pontiki>
what's the easiest way?
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<pontiki>
there
<wasamasa>
so I guess using a Rakefile is the simplest way then
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<wasamasa>
and let it push stuff to a db
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<workmad3>
pontiki: I have a suspicion 'easy' was meaning 'dump stuff out on the file system'
<wasamasa>
yes, that
<pontiki>
huh
<wasamasa>
that's how I'd do it usually
<pontiki>
if you gone through the difficulty of parsing out data from a web scrape, why flatten it out again? why not just store it?
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<workmad3>
throw it all into mongo!
<pontiki>
ooooo!
<pontiki>
or, like, redis, mango
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<pontiki>
anyway, time for brekkie
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<tus>
when i write out @results i get 5 lines of text. is it possible to make it 1 line? this is the code:
<tus>
@teamHash.each do |key, value|@results = key.to_s + ': ' + value + '
<tus>
(i know "print" makes it one line but i am outputting it to irc channel, i was thiking of making @results contain it all on one line?)
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<slash_nick>
tus: #map and #join instead of #each
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<tus>
slash_nick, thanks :)
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<slash_nick>
no problem, i'm sure there are plenty of other ways too.. that's one
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<s2013>
if i wanna seed a database with lets say 50,000 random records. how would you approach that
<s2013>
i assume some sort of batch write?
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<tus>
slash_nick, shouldn't this work? myhash.map{|k,v| "#{k}: #{v}"}.join(' ')
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<slash_nick>
tus: yeah... print yohash.map ...
<slash_nick>
... .join(' ')
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<ddv>
s2013, there are plenty of gems with nice dsl's that will do that for you
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<balazs>
I always get the default value back, even if I have -f or --firstoption
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<slash_nick>
s2013: I'd use psql copy
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<jagwire>
Is there a specific channel for ruby on rails?
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<slash_nick>
jameyd: #rubyonrails oddly enough :)
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<_2_kryspao06>
hola
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<jameyd>
hey slash_nick
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<jameyd>
haha
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<xeqtr>
so i have an array as this: types = ['directories', 'symlinks', 'files'] and i wanna do a for loop on that array but use each item as the name of an existing array. I have an array called directories for example so i wanna call that.
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<xeqtr>
in php you can just do ${MyDynamicName}() to call a function in the same way for example
<jhass>
sounds like you actually want a hash
<canton7>
surely the PHP equivalent of your example is $$variableName?
<canton7>
and yeah, this is really really horrid
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<canton7>
calling methods by name is often used in ruby (see #send), and grabbing instance variables by name is possible but rarer
<canton7>
local vars though? ouch
<jhass>
xeqtr: put your code into a gist and we can show you a proper version
<xeqtr>
canton7: No, ${variablename} will work as well
<canton7>
${$variableName}, surely, since all vars start with a $?
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<xeqtr>
canton7: yeah sorry ${functioname}() is for functions $$ is for variables
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<shevy>
I thought it was xeqque from turkiye
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* wasamasa
just ran >> doc = Nokogiri::HTML(open(url)) in irb
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<wasamasa>
damnit irb, why must you print out the return values
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<jhass>
use pry and append ; to suppress it ;)
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<slash_nick>
or use irb and append ;nil
<Diranged>
How can I split up my rake spec tests into mulitple groups — so that they run under different processes sequentially (or ultimately, in parallel with the parallel_tests gem)?
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<havenwood>
Diranged: I don't know of a way within Rake, but there may be. To do it yourself you could do threads yourself or use celluloid, or if you're using a GVLed Ruby fork yourself.
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<volk_>
hey guys is there such thing as a pre-built ruby version for rbenv?
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<shevy>
volk_ you mean binary? I think no
<shevy>
possibly some third party site
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<volk_>
yeah i was hoping there might be.. im playing with docker, and when i change something, i have to re-build ruby every time
<volk_>
thats a 12 min wait
<volk_>
-__________-
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<pontiki>
that does not seem right
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<pontiki>
if you 're using docker, shouldn't you be able to have the vesion you want already built?
<MrPopinjay>
Is there a way that I can set the Rack ENV in a rake task?
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<MrPopinjay>
I can't work out how to get my sinatra app's tests to run in the right enviroment without setting the shell var each time
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<pontiki>
can you set ENV ?
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<shevy>
if [ -f $file ]
<shevy>
why is shell code so ugly
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<jhass>
MrPopinjay: ENV['RACK_ENV'] ||= 'test' is a common way
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<EminenceHC>
In this conditional: params[:daily_time_card][:current] != '3' how can i also add '4', '5' etc. Would it be: params[:daily_time_card][:current] != ['3', '4', '5'] ?
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<jhass>
EminenceHC: a common idiom is ['3', '4', '5'].include? params[:daily_time_card][:current]
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<EminenceHC>
jhass: Oh I like that include. Thanks
<jhass>
also use unless instead of if ! unless you got an elsif
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<EminenceHC>
jhass: I am chaining it in an if statement, can I do: if @daily_time_card.clock_in_1.present? && ['3', '4', '5'].include? params[:daily_time_card][:current] == false
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<jhass>
sure, use parens if you append an ==
<jhass>
instead of doing == false you can also use ![...
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<apeiros>
you shouldn't do `== false` after an include?. that's just pointless.
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<apeiros>
I see jhass already said that in nicer terms :)
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<EminenceHC>
I have this but ruby mine is telling me I am missing an argument: !['3','4','5'].include? params[:daily_time_card][:current] Maybe RM is just full of crap?
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<looofer>
Hi all. I am trying to sort an array. The array is @movies that I am getting from my database. I want to sort it with the names. For achiving this I am doing @movies = @movies.order(@movies.title) if params[:title_header].present?
<looofer>
Can anyone please tell me what am I doing wrong?
<jhass>
looofer: Rails/ActiveRecord?
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<looofer>
jhass: yeah
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<jhass>
it's .order(:title) iirc, #rubyonrails may help you better
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<pontiki>
^
<looofer>
jhass: that doesn't work either :(
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<looofer>
if it was @movie.title
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<looofer>
that would have worked?
<apeiros>
looofer: you have to call it on the model-class or a relation, not on an array
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<looofer>
Thank you jhass, apeiros
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<looofer>
trying to work it out
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<looofer>
I am a complete newbie, sorry
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<wasamasa>
ugh
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<wasamasa>
apparently only curl is able to scrap the sources of facebook pages
<wasamasa>
why
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<pontiki>
not so
<pontiki>
you can use watir as well
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<wasamasa>
to hell with selenium-like tools
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<pontiki>
and curl will only do what mechanize does
<pontiki>
no JS exec
<wasamasa>
don't need js there
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<pontiki>
besides, scraping facebook is a violation of their TOS
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<wasamasa>
I just can't understand why curb does exactly nothing for me and open-uri saves merely a login page, but passes half of a working page to nokogiri
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<pontiki>
ok
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<lxsameer>
does any one know any rack middleware to restart server on changes ?
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<MrPopinjay>
So within a rake task I can call another task like this: "Rake::Task['db:drop'].invoke", is it possible for me to set the env for this?
<wasamasa>
and why the heck does inf-ruby all of a sudden decide to not give me any results anymore
* wasamasa
rages
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<jhass>
MrPopinjay: you did try what I wrote?
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<MrPopinjay>
Yes, very helpful, sorry I didn't reply!
<MrPopinjay>
:)
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<wc->
hi all, i have a mongoid document / object with a field called completion_date on it. when i do doc.completion_date it is a date class, when i do doc[‘completion_date’] it is a time class
<wc->
any idea why those two different ways of accessing the field are changing the type?
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<sdelmore>
Can anyone point me to an example of how to define a += method on an object? I am finding it ungoogleable.
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<sdelmore>
Hmmm….I think it is actually just def +(other) and the += must be handled by Ruby.
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<jhass>
yes, a += b is a = a+b
<jhass>
this is true for all op= methods except for ||= and &&=
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<frankle>
i have andand in my Gemfile. I bundle install. I commit. I deploy. I get this error: /var/www/core/shared/bundle/ruby/2.1.0/gems/activesupport-3.2.17/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:317:in `rescue i
<frankle>
n depend_on': No such file to load -- andand
<sdelmore>
Thanks for the confirmation jhass
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<sdelmore>
Great idea slash_nick. Also helps to realize I should have searched for plus equals instead of +=
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<MartynKeigher>
Hey.... so i have this code.... http://pastebin.com/rQvyrs6W . what do i need to change so that wehn this code is invoked, it opens in a NEW browser tab and not the current one? thanks
<slash_nick>
sdelmore: same with !(bang) #(splat), |(pipe), etc
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<slash_nick>
MartynKeigher: target: "_blank"
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<slash_nick>
MartynKeigher: it's an attribute for a tags, target
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<MartynKeigher>
so i can throw that below my existing code on line 6?
<MartynKeigher>
or should i add it to the thr html url call?
<MartynKeigher>
*the
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<slash_nick>
MartynKeigher: instead of window.location('url') use window.open('url', '_blank')
<slash_nick>
I thought you were html, but you're js
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<MartynKeigher>
ya thats it!!! i'll give it a shot. one sec
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<MartynKeigher>
hmmm... when i do that it just takes me to .../_url . not my intended url link (google.com for testing)
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<slash_nick>
use your url
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<MartynKeigher>
it has to be dynamic. url's could be different depending on what URL is linked ot the object on the page
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<slash_nick>
i mean that 'url' was intended as just a placeholder... it could be a function that returns a string... aren't we in #ruby?
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<slash_nick>
lol
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<shevy>
hey
<shevy>
speaking of #ruby
<shevy>
I have a question about shell functions
<shevy>
if [ -f $file ]
<shevy>
why is this so ugly?
<shevy>
why do I have to terminate it with: fi
<shevy>
which mad man came up with it
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<RubyPanther>
shevy: you have to do it that way because csh was too hard
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<shevy>
only good thing is that I don't handwrite the shell script, ruby generates them
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<RubyPanther>
shevy: in csh you can just say if ( -f $file ) echo "omg" or if (-f $file) then \necho "omg"\nendif
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<shevy>
what is endif
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<RubyPanther>
just keep asking the question until it answers itself ;)
<RubyPanther>
Just because it is the C sh doesn't mean it supports hanging ifs
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<RubyPanther>
everybody knows hanging ifs are harmful
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<Deele>
I want my core application be able to launch child applications, like run other ruby scripts, like modules or something, and core application being able to use them seperately, like when it crashes or something happens, core app is able to relaunch it or etc. How is it called, what should I search for?
<dideler|work>
Deele: maybe "ruby process manager"
<jhass>
Deele: another common term is supervisor. and ^ check god
<dideler|work>
Deele: i haven't used god myself, but it can probably do what you want
<Deele>
and how do I communicate with those other processes?
<jhass>
there are a myriad of ways and the best depends on your application
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<jhass>
plain old files, (named) pipes, drb, dbus, a common database,... to name just a few
<Deele>
like, if I have process, that is literarly graphical console, I want to send messages that needs to be displayed, another is some sort of server, that listens to port, and when it receives request, core process receives trigger about that
<shevy>
I kinda started following ruby more than anything else
<jhass>
one of mines is ens18 now for example
<shevy>
as long as I have ruby I am happy
<shevy>
but as for the underlying OS, I just want it to get out of the way
<shevy>
and what does ens18 mean?
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<shevy>
is there a logic to it
<Deele>
I'm fairly new to ruby, have finished couple tutorials, and I want to start with something solid, and this multi-process thingy I have in mind, I want to create it with ruby, but I don't know with what to start, I guess, I will start with "god"
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<shevy>
Deele do you understand threads, mutex and fibers yet?
<Deele>
no
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<shevy>
I recommend the official documentation (it sucks but it is better than no documentation)
<Deele>
there are so much information, I'm afraid I will dig too deep into specific field, that I will not be able to finish my idea in realistic timeframe
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<jhass>
machty: if you call resume you'll never return to where you are. Where as if you call transfer inside another fiber, it will be suspended and you can return to it, just as if you had called yield
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<machty>
jhass: but you do return to where you are with resume
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<machty>
Fiber.new { puts "hello" }.resume
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<machty>
at the termination of that fiber you return to where you were, hence it behaves as if it were just `puts "hello"` in irb
<jhass>
did you understand yield yet?
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<machty>
yeah
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<jhass>
so, with transfer you do not get back to the last resume call, instead you go to the last yield of the fiber you call transfer on
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<slash_nick>
shevy: i don't like fi either.... but i love esac
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<slash_nick>
shevy: also, what magic is this where your ruby is writing shell scripts?
<machty>
jhass: ah i get it now; ran their example side by side with one where resume is used instead of transfer
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* slash_nick
gives his ruby the look of a disappointed parent
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<hfp>
Hey guys, considering the following: `foo = {name: 'bar', nick: 'baz'}`, how can I access foo[:name] with foo.name? I tried attr_reader but it doesn't seem to work on a hash
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<hfp>
I meant `foo.name`?
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<littledude>
hi. I have this in a gemspec file :
<littledude>
s.add_dependency("thin", "<2.0")
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<littledude>
but doing gem install *always* install thin-2.0.0.pre
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<littledude>
I also tried
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<littledude>
s.add_dependency("thin", "1.6.2")
<littledude>
same result
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<littledude>
could someone explain me what's happening here please ?
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<slash_nick>
littledude: what's your env? are you developing this gem? are you using this gem in a nother gem or library?
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<slash_nick>
hfp: you could use ostruct ... require 'ostruct'; foo = OpenStruct.new { name: 'bar' }; foo.name #=> bar
<littledude>
slash_nick : I am not developping the gem (I have no ruby knowledge), just installing it.
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<littledude>
I just noticed that the soft was not working properly with this version of thin
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<littledude>
So I am trying to change the gemspec to force the install of thin 1.6.2
<jhass>
hfp: consider OpenStruct (ostruct stdlib)
<littledude>
the worst is that "gem install thin" installs 1.6.2.
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<hfp>
slash_nick, jhass: Thanks
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<jhass>
littledude: my bet is that you have an old .gemspec / .gem cached somewhere
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<jhass>
but these things are almost impossible to debug without access to the system
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<littledude>
jhass thanks let's see if I can find it.
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<littledude>
just to make sure : gem install <mygem> first looks into the *current* directory if it can find a gemspec file, right ?
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<jhass>
I never checked and my intuition says no
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<jhass>
I thought the process has to be gem build mygem.gemspec && gem install ./mygem.gem
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<littledude>
argh. ok thank you.
<slash_nick>
if you're using a Gemfile you can specify the path to the gem library and it'll use the current .gemspec
<slash_nick>
(from that library)
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<shevy>
slash_nick I want to be able to compile all programs that are registered even when ruby is unavailable on a target machine
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<littledude>
jhass thank you that works with you commands :)
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<littledude>
thanks slash_nick also.
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<jeeves_moss>
how do I fix this error? I have ZERO ruby exp
<hfp>
shevy: Yes I saw a method to escape it liek %w(foo\ bar baz) but it looks pretty ugly
<apeiros>
hfp: ^
<apeiros>
hfp: but if you have many spaces, better use ordinary string literal.
<shevy>
ohhhh \ escaping
<apeiros>
err, ordinary array literal
<shevy>
yeah that looks ugly
<hfp>
apeiros, shevy: Thanks
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<queequeg1>
./factorygirl
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<jeeves_moss>
shevy, so it looks like it's all a opengl issue
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<shevy>
it would scare me very much to try opengl on windows
<jeeves_moss>
lol
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<emptyflask>
frustrating issue with minitest-rails / capybara / factory_girl: when trying to create an object in an integration test, the SQL is wrapped in a savepoint and is immediately released
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<emptyflask>
even tried installing database_cleaner and using that, but no luck. same behavior
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<emptyflask>
any suggestions?
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<jeeves_moss>
shevy, ok, I've got the little BeagleBone running now. want to help me fire through this?
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<shevy>
jeeves_moss hehe I don't even know what a BeagleBone is
<shevy>
sounds kinky
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<shevy>
jeeves_moss I don't really have any opengl-specific knowledge, only general ruby knowledge
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<icole>
i think someone is trying to troll me with their FB status "As far as programming languages go, I've never seen a worse clusterfuck of dependencies and garbage than Ruby. What a worthless language. I feel bad for anyone who has to use it.. ever."
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<eam>
icole: I've seen worse, but it's up there
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<icole>
this is amazing "It has none of the power and speed of a real language, has super brittle dependencies enforced variably by the fifty different package managers and RVM and Bundler and Embedded nonsense with shit stacked on top of it.. nothing is abstracted, because when you're using something sitting on the pile of shit that is Ruby, you end up having to hack at Ruby itself to make the top of the stack work. Using Chef/Vagrant/TestKitchen I shou
<icole>
ldn't have to be screwing with Bundles and GemFiles and other nonsense.."
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<icole>
"And forget Windows, if you do anything on Windows you're just 100% fucked.. twice.."
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<apeiros>
icole: well, that last part is true. but unrelated to ruby :D
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<icole>
I have never met anyone hate a language this much
<icole>
so much for programmer happiness
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<eam>
icole: so reading between the lines, you're talking to a sysadmin
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<eam>
"Using Chef/Vagrant"
<icole>
eam: QA engineer
<eam>
same thing
<eam>
expect disgruntled anger
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