#ruby on 2014-02-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-01-29 22:31 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.0; 2.0.0-p353; 1.9.3-p484: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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00:00 <Stalkr_> I should probably go to bed, no good for me staying up this late

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00:00 <Stalkr_> My Ruby adventure has to continue tomorrow (or technically later today). Good night all, and thanks for the chat

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01:52 <havenwood> apeiros: i took a stab at addressing the arity range issues you brought up. i'm curious if i dealt with them correctly?: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/9163507

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02:50 <apoc> do in stdlib docs it says that each DBM database engine has its own ruby interface, I can't find the Barkeley DB interface anywhere, is that documented somewhere?

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02:57 <centrx> apoc, Isn't DBM the interface?

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02:59 <apoc> centrx: no its a wrapper, it wraps around BDB, gdbm, etc. and its missing some features I need like flush

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03:00 <mbuf> is there a gem that can be used to maintain and handle a connection pool for handling multiple network protocols?

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03:01 <mbuf> something like an instant messenger client that hides the connectivity to different chat protocols

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03:02 <centrx> connection pool = instant messenger client ?

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03:07 <centrx> apoc, It is probably referring to external projects like https://github.com/knu/ruby-bdb

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03:21 <mbuf> centrx: just an analogy

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03:22 <sanav> hello guys ! i'm looking for new language whose syntax inspired by ruby and fast as C .Is their any language ?

03:23 <popl> sanav: why?

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03:23 <havenwood> sanav: JRuby 9k

03:23 <sanav> popl: just interested .

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03:24 <havenwood> sanav: http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/09/jruby-9k

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03:25 <sanav> i heard a rumour that most of the rubyist are moved to scala .Is ruby (jruby) is not scalable and fast enough ?

03:25 <hermanmunster> sanav: try C

03:25 <hermanmunster> sanav: you're right. Ruby isn't webscale

03:26 <havenwood> sanav: I don't know of any Rubyists who've switched to Scala. JRuby is fast and getting faster at a fast pace.

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03:26 <hermanmunster> sanav: you should write everything in NodeJS, and use MongoDB for everything.

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03:27 <havenwood> sanav: Rubyists would be more interested in Clojure and Mirah I think, but JRuby is lovely.

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03:28 <bnagy> few people are playing in Rust

03:28 <bnagy> don't know about the syntax being 'inspired' by ruby, but it's looks vaguely familiar

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03:28 <havenwood> Elixir would be another to mention.

03:28 <bnagy> and it's certainly fast

03:29 <sanav> On wikipedia of ruby , a new language is mentioned 'elixir' .Is this language good for future ? Actually i'm university student so i'm searching for good programming language which is good in all perspective .

03:29 <bnagy> only trouble being Rust is Not Done

03:29 <bnagy> no language is good for all things

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03:29 <bnagy> that's the whole point

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03:30 <centrx> sanav, Don't forget mruby

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03:30 <havenwood> sanav: Ruby is a good language for the future.

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03:30 <havenwood> sanav: Then learn a functional language as well.

03:30 <bnagy> jruby + truffle is pretty amazing looking

03:30 <havenwood> bnagy: agreed! :D

03:31 <RubyPanther> The only language that is good at everything is C

03:31 <bnagy> I should honestly /ignore you, RubyPanther

03:31 <sanav> havenwood: WHICH language ? scala ? fantom ?

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03:31 <bnagy> so just say utterly retarded things so often

03:32 <havenwood> sanav: I'd vote Ruby plus either Clojure, Chicken Scheme or Haskell.

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03:32 <RubyPanther> bnagy: Not really a useful comment, if you think that sort of thing, just keep it to yourself, or type in the /ignore quietly, no need to be a jerk/bully and say stuff like that

03:32 <bnagy> hm I sense much JVM love in havenwood

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03:32 <centrx> RubyPanther, Wouldn't you agree that ASM is better than C?

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03:33 <sanav> centrx: i agreed with you . ASM can easily mix with C .

03:33 <bnagy> RubyPanther: but then how would you realise your intermittent trolling angers people?

03:33 <RubyPanther> centrx: ASM is only better than C at writing bootloaders, which is a tiny niche

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03:33 <bnagy> and writing maths

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03:34 <sanav> wish ruby can use asm

03:34 <RubyPanther> bnagy: Well, I don't troll. Full stop. End of that silliness. Namecalling because you often disagree with my opinions doesn't improve the conversation any.

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03:34 <hermanmunster> ah, i'm back on IRC.

03:34 <RubyPanther> I'll go a step further, I've been online since 1986 and I've _never_ "trolled." Not once.

03:34 <centrx> hermanmunster, We are having another rousing flame war!

03:34 <sanav> RubyPanther: calm down bro .You are not trolling .

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03:35 <RubyPanther> I need a drink or I'm gonna stab vim in the eye. Wait, that's my own vim, I need that. Let me think about this.

03:35 <YourBestFriend> guys, vim vs emacs?

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03:35 <centrx> vim!

03:35 <sanav> YourBestFriend: nano is best

03:36 <RubyPanther> M-x C-x butterfly

03:36 <hermanmunster> if you rotate "d00d" 180 degrees you get "p00p"

03:37 <centrx> emacs: http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/029/8/3/emacs_user_at_work_by_earlcolour-d38aj2x.jpg

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03:39 <RubyPanther> hermanmunster: I think the P's are capitalized if you flip it

03:39 <centrx> D34DB33F

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03:42 <mbuf> centrx: any suggestions?

03:42 <centrx> mbuf, https://github.com/mperham/connection_pool ?

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03:43 <mbuf> centrx: will check, thanks! is there a instant messenger ruby client that I can see?

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03:46 <centrx> mbuf, I don't know. Ruby Toolbox does not seem to have much

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03:46 <centrx> mbuf, https://github.com/zencoder/messenger

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03:48 <RubyPanther> mbuf: https://peepcode.com/products/xmpp http://xmpp4r-simple.rubyforge.org/ https://github.com/adhearsion/blather

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03:54 <mbuf> centrx: okay

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03:55 <mbuf> RubyPanther: thanks

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04:29 <mbuf> centrx: RubyPanther is there a connectivity abstract class or gem that hides the network connectivity of TCP or UDP?

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04:30 <centrx> mbuf, Like TCPSocket and UDPSocket?

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04:32 <RubyPanther> mbuf: I don't know, for my use cases if I wanted to hide that I'd use something transparent to the app, like a VPN

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04:39 <mbuf> centrx: sure

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04:50 <YourBestFriend> guys

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04:51 <YourBestFriend> GUYS

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04:52 <RubyPanther> whatwhatwhat?

04:52 <YourBestFriend> if I have f(a, *b), is calling f(0, [1, 2]) the same as f(0, 1, 2)

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04:53 <centrx> YourBestFriend, Test it

04:53 <centrx> YourBestFriend, I would guess the [1, 2] will be preserved as an array

04:54 <YourBestFriend> centrx: no YOU test it

04:54 <centrx> YourBestFriend, The * splat is somewhat different in the method definition

04:54 <RubyPanther> Lets let the bot test it

04:54 <RubyPanther> >> def foo(a, *b); [a.inspect,b.inspect] end ; foo(0,[1,2]) + foo(0,1,2)

04:54 <eval-in___> RubyPanther => ["0", "[[1, 2]]", "0", "[1, 2]"] (https://eval.in/104928)

04:55 <RubyPanther> >> :botsnack && :nomnomnom

04:55 <eval-in___> RubyPanther => :nomnomnom (https://eval.in/104929)

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04:56 <YourBestFriend> is there a way to not preserve the array?

04:56 <YourBestFriend> so that the two calls are the same?

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04:57 <centrx> YourBestFriend, b.flatten presumably

04:57 <RubyPanther> No. You have to give your data a massage. Maybe with #flatten, if you're lazy

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05:35 <YourBestFriend> wasn't there a double splitsplat operator?

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05:37 <YourBestFriend> yep

05:37 <YourBestFriend> what does the double splitsplat do?

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05:40 <centrx> YourBestFriend, It is for capturing keyword arguments in a method definition

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06:01 <barspi> hey guys (newbie here): rvm gemsets, yes or no? (especially for rails development)…. some people say that bundler will take care of everythin

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06:05 <centrx> barspi, rvm might be an unnecessary complication for you

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06:05 <centrx> barspi, If you don't need "compartmentalized independent ruby setups", you don't need RVM

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06:14 <barspi> just trying to get a common setup with my other collaborators (who are even more clueless than I), and where "everything works" in different projects which sometimes may be

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06:14 <barspi> "inherited" form other people

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06:14 <barspi> like, we need to develop some feature in a previously existing rails project for a client (and I dont even know which versions of ruby/rails they could be using)

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06:15 <barspi> at least me and my collaborators are all using mac :-)

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06:15 <barspi> I had installed ruby & friends through mac ports, but virtually all the newer docs/books/blogs recommend using rvm

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06:16 <centrx> People seem to use Homebrew on Mac for Ruby

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06:16 <iamdoo2_> agreed.

06:16 <iamdoo2_> rvm is good enough.

06:16 <barspi> hehe, most people I know use mac ports

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06:17 <barspi> I don't want to enter into religious wars :-P

06:17 <barspi> the question was, if I'm using RVM, and bundler, should I use gemsets or not

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06:17 <iamdoo2_> I don't use gemsets.

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06:18 <centrx> bundler handles using the exact versions from the Gemfile

06:18 <iamdoo2_> I think gemsets are used only for deployment environment .

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06:20 <barspi> I'll see where everything takes me :-)

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09:11 <terence> Hi, I just came up a problem using Ruby!

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09:12 <tobiasvl> really?

09:13 <terence> Yes!

09:13 <terence> I'm just calling a method from C!

09:13 <popl> You don't say.

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09:15 <_Cody> hi

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09:15 <_Cody> i want to get livereload running

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09:15 <_Cody> yet don't get any reaction from my browser (firefox) even though browser is connected

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09:18 <_Cody> http://sprunge.us/FeYQ is my guardfile

09:18 <terence> sorry, never used livereload before

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09:20 <_Cody> i guess my file is faulty :|

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09:24 <gaussblurinc> hi! which editor you use for ruby under os x?

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09:26 <heliospan> gaussblurinc: sublime text 2 is good

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09:46 <corehook> how to get process list with ruby ?

09:46 <corehook> 2.0.0

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09:52 <Macaveli> I receive my time as "090000" hour min sec. Is it possible to parse it to "09u00"? Time.parse not working

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09:54 <terence> method defined in C and called in Ruby, but Ruby said method undefined?

09:54 <jhass> Macaveli: try Time.strptime

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09:57 <Macaveli> jhass, this worked!

09:57 <Macaveli> Time.strptime(appointment["NEXT_APPOINTMENT_TIME"], "%H%M%S").strftime("%H:%M")

09:57 <Macaveli> Thank you

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09:57 <corehook> http://rubyforge.org/projects/sysutils

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10:18 <terence> method defined in C and called in Ruby, but Ruby said method undefined? I'm not using ffi

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10:19 <_Cody> http://sprunge.us/RBig

10:19 <_Cody> i dont get live-reloads when my files and Guardfile are in ~ directory

10:19 <_Cody> is my Guardfile faulty ?

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11:06 <gaussblurinc> heliospan: and which packages do you recommend?

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11:08 <heliospan> gaussblurinc: packages for what?

11:08 <heliospan> gaussblurinc: sublime text2?

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11:11 <gaussblurinc> heliospan: yes

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11:14 <heliospan> gaussblurinc: Alignment, AlignTab, Alternative Autocompletion, Vintage

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11:15 <heliospan> gaussblurinc: actually, I'm a vim user mostly. Vintage gives you vim like controls.

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11:26 <_bart> Hi, I only want to select the 5 (because it is a whole number not followed by an m): http://rubular.com/r/Za4e60QWay

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11:27 <_bart> but the negative lookahead allows the selection of the 3, which is part of the number 35 so that should not have happened.

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12:07 <sheepman> hi all, whats wrong with this? I also end up resulting in "what am I doing wrong?" https://gist.github.com/anonymous/18d36b480dd3cb58cd80

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12:07 <sheepman> *always

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12:20 <Mon_Ouie> sheepman: Because a.between? … evaluates to either true or false

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12:20 <Mon_Ouie> So it's reduced to case a when true … when false … else … end

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12:21 <Mon_Ouie> And since a != true and a != false, it triggers the else.

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12:21 <Mon_Ouie> Either simply use a if, or in this particular case, use a Range object after when

12:21 <Mon_Ouie> i.e. case a when 19..20 … end

12:21 <sheepman> Mon_Ouie: ok great makes sense, thank you :)

12:22 <brandtdhl> in an example where %x{curl www.site/page/i) i is the for loop counter, how would i reference the i in the call?

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12:24 <Mon_Ouie> #{…} but beware that in general you should escape things you interpolate into commands — or better yet, use a method that takes each command argument as a separate argument

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12:32 <brandtdhl> Mon_Ouie: mind if i pm?

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12:33 <tobiasvl> isn't it better with more eyeballs?

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12:38 <jmaister> it's always better with more balls

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12:42 <banister> http://en.99designs.nl/t-shirt-design/vote-ilw8xj

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12:43 <iamdoo2> #25 is better.

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12:49 <relix> hey guys - I remember a gem that could be used to build regular expressions as a DSL, with language, that was quite clear

12:49 <relix> but I forgot the name

12:49 <relix> anyone have any idea which one I'm talking about?

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12:50 <relix> it's not treetop, this one was specifically to generate a regexp

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12:51 <relix> ah it's this one https://github.com/krainboltgreene/hexpress

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12:53 <iamdoo2> verbal?

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13:06 <TheLarkInn1> def method(var_a, var_b, *var_c)

13:06 <TheLarkInn1> //do something

13:06 <TheLarkInn1> end

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13:07 <TheLarkInn1> I have a method like the one above, however when I check to see if var_c is used, it always is, and appears to return an empty array, is this known behavior

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13:08 <TheLarkInn1> oh well it looks like it

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13:11 <atmosx> hello

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13:11 <napcae> is it me you looking for?

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13:12 <atmosx> ah hardly so

13:12 <atmosx> but might be

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13:12 <atmosx> https://gist.github.com/atmosx/9188155 <-- any idea why it returns an empty string instead of the value in line 11?

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13:13 <TheLarkInn1> mayb the key is wrong

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13:13 <TheLarkInn1> most of the time when working with JSON.parse

13:14 <TheLarkInn1> I've seen that it converts from symbols to string keys

13:14 <TheLarkInn1> try "year"

13:14 <TheLarkInn1> instead of :year

13:14 <atmosx> ah

13:14 <atmosx> hmmm

13:14 <atmosx> I added the parsed JSON

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13:14 <atmosx> TheLarkInn1: thanks mate, works fine

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13:14 <atmosx> I'm not used to strings as keys though

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13:15 <TheLarkInn1> yeah, I feel ya, happens to me all the time when using JSON.parse

13:15 <TheLarkInn1> I wonder if theres a method to make them into symbols

13:15 <TheLarkInn1> I'm sure you could get away with converting them

13:15 <atmosx> do other JSON parsers handle this differently?

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13:15 <TheLarkInn1> potentially, but this is the core one, so I'm not sure

13:15 <atmosx> I see. okay thanks

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13:16 <TheLarkInn1> I'll play around with it for a sec, I think I have some json lying around somewhere :-P

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13:17 <Stalkr^> In Python there is a guessit library for guessing the movie name or the series and episode from a file name. Is there something like this in Ruby? All I can find is using rubypython and load that library

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13:18 <TheLarkInn1> Do you use Active support atmosx

13:18 <TheLarkInn1> in the active support gem you can turn all the keys into symbols

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13:20 <atmosx> TheLarkInn1: no, it's sinatra + sequel but writing a method that does that on the fly is not a big deal, if I don't feel comfortable with this convention I'll do it.

13:20 <TheLarkInn1> okay

13:20 <TheLarkInn1> JSON.parse(a, {:symbolize_names => true})

13:20 <TheLarkInn1> there ya go :-D

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13:21 <atmosx> wow, that's awesome thanks :-D

13:21 <TheLarkInn1> You could either write a wrapper method that uses method if you didn't wanna get to wordy, otherwise that will symbolize all the keys rfor you

13:21 <TheLarkInn1> yeah np

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13:21 <atmosx> No, that's perfect.

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13:22 <TheLarkInn1> and btw, you can use active support in sequel+sinatra app, you just require the libraries, doesn't mean you have to use active record or rails :-D

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13:22 <TheLarkInn1> I do so myself from time to time, especially if I wan't those nice convienence methods like Array.to_sentance

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13:30 <benzrf> hello

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13:32 <benzrf> ruby ruby RubyPanther

13:32 <benzrf> *ruby

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13:52 <benzrf|afk> bbl

13:52 <benzrf|afk> -afk-

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14:34 <cocotton> Hey all, I'm trying to send a udp message, but I can't seem to make it work. First I create my socket (socket = UPDSocket.new) and then I try to send a message ( socket.send( "TEST WARNING \n", 1, "127.0.0.1", 3030) ). Yet when I run this simple test, I receive the following message : Check failed to run: Operation not supported - sendto(2)

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14:34 <cocotton> Anyone ever had a similar problem?

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14:35 <benzrf|afk> how is a udp socket even a thing

14:35 <benzrf|afk> there isnt such a thing as a connection in udp is there?!

14:36 <cocotton> You're right, I chose the wrong words.

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14:37 <cocotton> I followed the documentation for the class UDPSocket, yet I can't have it work :(

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14:37 <jglover> post code

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14:38 <nhmood> Is there a way to find a list of possible exceptions with an associated method? ie File.open for example

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14:38 <cocotton> jglover: socket = UPDSocket.new; socket.send( "TEST WARNING \n", 1, "127.0.0.1", 3030)

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14:38 <nhmood> And on a similar note, is it better practice to catch particular exceptions or everything and then deal with specific ones differently

14:39 <jglover> cocotton: and you've triple checked that your firewall is open for that port?

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14:40 <cocotton> jglover: Yes, I can telnet it

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14:41 <jglover> hmmm

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14:41 <cocotton> jglover: telnet 127.0.0.1 3030 Trying 127.0.0.1... onnected to 127.0.0.1

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14:42 <jglover> what os are you on?

14:42 <maxiaojun> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ and topic of this channel not updated after today's release announcement

14:42 <slowcon> morning guys

14:43 <cocotton> jglover: RedHat 6.4

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14:45 <cocotton> I tried to run it with another ruby bin, and I receive the EOPNOTSUPP errorno. Errno::EOPNOTSUPP - the socket type of the socket does not support binding to an address.

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14:45 <cocotton> Isn't this somewhat weird since I'm not calling the bind method? :S

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14:46 <jglover> cocotton: yeah, I'm really not sure what's going on

14:46 <jglover> your code worked fine for me

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14:47 <jglover> cocotton:use send instead of sendto

14:48 <jglover> i just realized sublime corrected my sendto to send

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14:49 <benzrf|afk> send to to send

14:49 <benzrf|afk> its a word palindrome !

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14:50 <Uranio> hi, topic is outdated, ruby-2.0.0-p451 is the latest path AFAIK

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14:52 <cocotton> jglover : This is actually what I'm using : so.send "TEST WARNING \n", 1, "127.0.0.1", 3030

14:52 <cocotton> that's weird

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15:06 <maasha> hi

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15:07 <maasha> Is there some conventional variable to test on that says if a Ruby app is running under development or production - perhaps something set by Unit/Test?

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15:10 <maasha> Would one use ENV for that?

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15:13 <slava_dp> hi everyone. I need to write my own sorting function that will sort a hash by the values descending. any hints, please?

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15:18 <slava_dp> this is what I currently have https://gist.github.com/stetskevych/559226980572594ae94d

15:19 <slava_dp> the method sort_hash_desc has to sort the hash by values

15:19 <slava_dp> ruby 1.8.7 by the way

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15:30 <Hanmac> slava_dp: 1.8 is dead

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15:32 <benzrf> hey

15:32 <slowcon> whatup benzrf

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15:32 <benzrf> is there something for escaping filenames so that they dont mess up with slashes when you write

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15:32 <slowcon> put them in " "?

15:32 <slowcon> ' '*

15:32 <benzrf> no i mean for arbitrary input

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15:33 <benzrf> i wanna prevent injection from overwriting shit like /etc/passwd if some idiot runs my prog sa root

15:33 <benzrf> *as

15:33 <slowcon> oh hmmm

15:33 <benzrf> or just home dir files i guess

15:33 <slowcon> i had a good page with documentation on how to prevent injection

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15:34 <slowcon> maybe do a STR replace?

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15:34 <slowcon> probably over my head though benzrf

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15:34 <slowcon> wait for the big boys to log on

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15:38 <slava_dp> Hanmac: centos 6 has 1.8 by default, so that's what I've been given. no option to upgrade at this time.

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15:38 <Hanmac> centos is for outdated software

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15:52 <slava_dp> any hints to write a sorting function for a hash?

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16:01 <jsilver_> hi babies

16:01 <jsilver_> I love you

16:01 <jsilver_> so very much

16:01 <jsilver_> so, so much

16:01 <Tachoh> ~the ruby world~

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16:01 <jsilver_> ~so love~ + ~unycorn~

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16:05 <Tachoh> https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide anyone use this?

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16:06 <jsilver_> no

16:06 <jsilver_> should I

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16:06 <Tachoh> that's what i am wondering

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16:09 <IceyEC> are you working with other people?

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16:09 <IceyEC> jsilver_ and Tachoh

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16:10 <jsilver_> yes

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16:10 <IceyEC> then, if you're not using that style guide, you should at least be using some style guide

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16:12 <Tachoh> IceyEC: no, but any language i write i try to follow the conventions of the community at large

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16:13 <havenwood> Happy birthday Ruby! \o/

16:13 <havenwood> apeiros: Topics could use a 2.1.1 bump. :D

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16:13 <IceyEC> I think the general goal of that style guide is to codify the conventions of the community at large

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16:14 <Tachoh> good enough for me thanks

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16:19 <Hanmac> shevy: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhEuZKmCcAAcPAS.png

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16:20 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> hi all

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16:20 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: hi

16:20 <havenwood> 2.1.1!!!

16:21 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> im using ruby 1.9.3 on Ubuntu and have a script that requires 'archive/tar' but the require is failing and throwing a bunch of syntax errors from the archive-tar library

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16:21 * havenwood madly installs gems on the shiny new Ruby.

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16:24 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: Can you paste a Gist of the error output?

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16:25 <slowcon> morning havenwood

16:25 <havenwood> slowcon: g'morning

16:25 <ddd> o/

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16:27 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> http://pastebin.com/UYz5caKA

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16:28 <odigity3> I installing ruby1.9.1 in my vanilla precise64.box (Vagrant). It worked. However, ruby still invokes the old one in /opt, even though the new one is closer up in the path. I can't figure out how it's possible: https://gist.github.com/odigity/9191539

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16:28 <slowcon> im still having trouble understanding the load_path with ruby

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16:29 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> use update-alternatives --config ruby and update-alternative --config gem

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16:30 <havenwood> odigity3: ^

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16:31 <havenwood> slowcon: It is just an Array.

16:31 <odigity3> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi, the ruby link in /etc/alternatives already points to /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1

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16:32 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> check your bash PATH variable then maybe

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16:32 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> echo ${PATH}

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16:32 <odigity3> PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/vagrant_ruby/bin

16:33 <odigity3> but regardless of what my path is, the fact is that 'which ruby' points to /usr/bin/ruby, which is 1.9.3, but 'ruby -v' displays 1.8.7. That should be impossible. That's like against the laws of unix physics.

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16:33 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: archive-tar looks like a very old, very abandoned gem

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16:34 <odigity3> output from update-alternative --config ruby: "There is only one alternative in link group ruby: /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1 Nothing to configure."

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16:34 <centrx> CHange the topic! RUby 2.1.1 has arrived!

16:34 <odigity3> centrx, nice

16:34 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> havenwood: any newer alternatives? the minitar looks a tad hot mess just to create a tarball

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16:36 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> odigity3: not sure if ruby has environment variables that can check its behavior, check 'env' output

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16:36 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: I don't know what the best maintained tarball gem is. Hrm..

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16:37 <odigity3> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi, weird. 'ruby -v' -> 1.8.7, but 'env ruby -v' -> 1.9.3. Also, logging out and back in results in 'ruby -v' -> 1.9.3. So maybe I should just let this one go.

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16:39 <havenwood> fflush_ banister Mon_Ouie: Topic could use a bump to 2.1.1 if anyone is around. :D

16:40 <slowcon> im getting this error when trying to run web = Watir::Browser.new :phantomjs

16:40 <slowcon> C:/Ruby193/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/selenium-webdriver-2.39.0/lib/selenium/webdriver/phantomjs/service.rb:20:in `executable_path': Unable to find phantomjs executable. (Selenium::WebDriver::Error::WebDriverError)

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16:42 <havenwood> slowcon: is phantomjs installed?

16:42 <slowcon> yes

16:42 <havenwood> slowcon: command -v phantomjs

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16:44 <havenwood> If you use ruby-install grab 2.1.1 now with `ruby-install ruby 2.1.1` or update to head and just `ruby-install ruby`.

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16:46 <havenwood> It looks like 2.1.1 is on ruby-build head and soon to be on RVM too. :)

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16:47 <slowcon> havenwood: im having some trouble working between a mac machine and a pc

16:48 <slowcon> currently on the windows machine

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16:48 <slowcon> on my mac i dont have to specify anytinhg to check verisons

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16:54 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> is there are way to interpolate a File.join into a string wholesale or can we only sub in variables or hashes?

16:54 <benzrf> wot

16:55 <benzrf> >> "#{foo = 3} == #{foo}"

16:55 <eval-in___> benzrf => "3 == 3" (https://eval.in/105209)

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16:56 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> >> "#{File.join(".","test")}"

16:56 <eval-in___> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi => "./test" (https://eval.in/105210)

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16:56 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> :-)

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17:06 <slowcon> i cant seem to pull the version of gems that i know i have installed. http://snag.gy/t5rqr.jpg

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17:08 <apeiros> slowcon: jpeg because cmd.exe does not support copy & pasting? :)

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17:08 <apeiros> slowcon: probably your %PATH% is not set up to handle gem executables

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17:09 <slowcon> apeiros: i need a little help understanding how path works, where to put it

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17:09 <apeiros> slowcon: %PATH% is a windows thing. I don't use windows. sorry.

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17:09 <slowcon> apeiros: i hate going from mac to windows everyday

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17:10 <apeiros> understandable.

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17:10 <slowcon> apeiros: back and forth, makes writing such a pain

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17:10 <apeiros> I have a windows box only for gaming. I hate every non-gaming aspect about it with passion.

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17:10 <_Cody_> i get a permission error when tryinng to runn 'guard' after 'gem install guard'

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17:10 <slowcon> do you know why it wouldnt even let me pull the version number though?

17:10 <_Cody_> os=archlinux, ultimate goal: get this guard-livereload running

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17:10 <Guest98884> slowcon, It doesn't know where the binary is

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17:10 <apeiros> slowcon: as said, because %PATH% is not set up

17:10 <apeiros> it's the equivalent to PATH in *nix

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17:11 <apeiros> tells windows where to look for executables

17:11 <_Cody_> my error: http://sprunge.us/AZPb

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17:11 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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17:14 <shevy> how can you exclude in a regex? like "if not include the character b" ?

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17:14 <c3ntrx> ^

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17:15 <c3ntrx> [^b]

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17:15 <slowcon> apeiros c3ntrx: just looked it up. i added "C:\Ruby193\bin" to the path under advanced system settings

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17:17 <slowcon> still not getting a -v

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17:20 <_Cody_> still having my permissionn error :|

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17:21 <slowcon> going to try restarting this thing

17:21 <slowcon> brb

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17:22 <_Cody_> http://sprunge.us/AZPb

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17:23 <_Cody_> goal: installing guard under archlinux to get guard-livereload running some day

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17:30 <shevy> is it difficult to install under archlinux

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17:31 <shevy> btw you can install gems into your home dir too via --user-install

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17:32 <_Cody_> shevy: i have this in my /etc/gemrc

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17:32 <_Cody_> won't give up since ruby looks interesting, still gratefull for hints :)

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17:37 <shevy> dunno

17:38 <shevy> I always compile from source and permission erros can not stop me on my systems

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17:38 <shevy> if it is a misbehaving gem alone, extract it and run the extconf.rb or setup.rb manually

17:38 <_Cody_> usually i should be able to fix them too

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17:38 <shevy> /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/fileutils.rb:250:in `mkdir': Permission denied @ dir_s_mkdir - /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/extensions/x86_64-linux (Errno::EACCES)

17:38 <shevy> from /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/fileutils.rb:250:in `fu_mkdir'

17:38 <shevy> what is it btw

17:38 <_Cody_> yet if you don't know how the structure basically works, you can be stuck

17:38 <shevy> /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/extensions/x86_64-linux

17:38 <shevy> I dont know that dir

17:39 <shevy> wait

17:39 <shevy> I know it

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17:39 <shevy> and the name of the gem is "guard" ?

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17:39 <_Cody_> yep

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17:39 <_Cody_> yet before i tried to install using bundler

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17:40 <_Cody_> bc that was what their website said. i just removed ruby completely

17:40 <_Cody_> and reinstalled to clean up all eventual mess

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17:40 <_Cody_> small progress now

17:40 <shevy> gemi guard

17:40 <shevy> Fetching: guard-2.5.0.gem (100%)

17:40 <shevy> 1 gem installed

17:40 <shevy> Successfully installed guard-2.5.0

17:40 <shevy> installed fine here

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17:41 <_Cody_> i managed this error by reinnstalling i think

17:41 <shevy> _Cody_ you need to mistrust websites

17:41 <_Cody_> now adding plugins to guardfile

17:41 <shevy> if they tell you to install bundler don't

17:41 <_Cody_> shevy: understanding is always better thats true

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17:41 <shevy> nono

17:41 <shevy> not using crappy software is the best way

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17:42 <shevy> does "gem list" show guard installed?

17:42 <shevy> and did you actually try "gem install guard"

17:42 <_Cody_> yep it does now

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17:42 <shevy> btw

17:42 <shevy> guard does not come with .c or .cpp it seems

17:42 <shevy> so I am not sure why it wants to install into extensions/ ?

17:43 <shevy> it does not for me

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17:43 <shevy> perhaps that error you had came from some other tool and not guard itself

17:43 <shevy> I can tell you what I have under extension/

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17:44 <shevy> ffi-1.9.3 json-1.6.3 json-1.8.1 puma-2.7.1

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17:44 <shevy> which makes sense

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17:45 <havenwood> apeiros: topic reverting elves!

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17:46 <slowcon> so ruby is added to my path in windows

17:46 <slowcon> still cant pull some gem versions

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17:49 * _Cody_ reading rubygem basics

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17:49 <_Cody_> lets see if successfull

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17:50 <crystal77> How do you access a private method in irb?

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17:51 <Altonymous> Made a ruby script that is an infinite loop. It sleeps every 5 seconds then wakes up to look for work. I am trying to make an upstart script for it to make sure it stays up and running.. but when I try and start it, it just hangs..

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17:51 <Altonymous> I'm wondering if I should just change it over to a cron job that runs every 5 seconds instead.

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17:51 <chrisseaton> Are Ruby mutexes reentrant?

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17:53 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> is there a way to check the ruby version from inside irb

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17:53 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: RUBY_VERSION

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17:54 <slowcon> havenwood: can you think of anything else that would cause the error. even with ruby added to the path?

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17:54 <slowcon> 'phantomjs' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

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17:56 <havenwood> slowcon: What do you get for `command -v phantomjs` and `phantomjs --version`?

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17:57 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> fudge man, it looks like keep_if is not available in 1.8.7?

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17:57 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> on arrays

17:57 <havenwood> chrisseaton: Mutex is not reentrant but Monitor is.

17:57 <chrisseaton> havenwood: great thanks - hadn't noticed Monitor

17:57 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: 1.8 is dead, long live 2.1.1!!

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17:58 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> would it be safe to use a map to delete instances as it goes or would modifying the underlying array while mapping bebad

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17:58 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> *elements not instances

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17:59 <c3ntrx> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi, Use #delete_if or #reject! with NOT ?

17:59 <shevy> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi the point of .map is that you can modify each element

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18:00 <shevy> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi you could even fake a reject or delete, by mapping, and returning nil for the elements you dont want (in your array), and then applying .compact on the result to get rid of all nils

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18:01 <havenwood> Altonymous: Maybe a cronjob is the way to go. Or something like delayed_job, sidekiq, resque, I dunno.

18:01 <havenwood> or beanstalkd

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18:02 <slowcon> same error

18:02 <slowcon> works if i try to get the v of sequel

18:02 <slowcon> i know the path worked, because now i can ask for the version of sequel from anywhere, i dont have to be in the bin directory

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18:02 <havenwood> slowcon: So phantomjs didn't get properly installed?

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18:03 <Altonymous> haven wood, I have sidekiq setup.. the probably is I'm monitoring an S3 bucket.. so the job wakes up looks for files, enqueues work for workers based on the files, then goes back to sleep.

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18:03 <havenwood> Altonymous: ah

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18:04 <slowcon> i dont understand this. i can run a version check on nokogiri, sequel. fails on mechanize, phantomjs

18:04 <Altonymous> probably == problem.

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18:04 <Altonymous> Also cron doesn't seem to support anything less than a minute..

18:04 <slowcon> havenwood: what about mechanize? i was using that gem all last week on this machine

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18:05 <Altonymous> So I'm stuck with trying to figure out an upstart script :(

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18:05 <havenwood> slowcon: i'm not up to speed on the Windows situation

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18:05 <slowcon> yeah man i fn hate this

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18:05 <havenwood> slowcon: does reinstalling them help? :O

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18:05 <benzrf> good bye

18:05 <slowcon> i tried, but i didnt uninstall first

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18:06 <benzrf|afk> -afk-

18:06 <havenwood> slowcon: gem --pristine --all

18:06 <havenwood> slowcon: err

18:06 <havenwood> slowcon: I mean: gem pristine --all

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18:06 <slowcon> ERROR: While executing gem ... (OptionParser::InvalidOption) invalid option: -ll

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18:07 <shevy> hmm

18:07 <havenwood> slowcon: I spotted the problem... Windows!

18:07 <slowcon> :(

18:07 <havenwood> slowcon: j/k j/k

18:07 <shevy> can we get rid of OptionParser havenwood

18:07 <havenwood> shevy: Yes, so be it decreed!

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18:07 <shevy> :)

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18:07 <havenwood> shevy: Step one, deprecated RDoc. :P

18:07 <shevy> hehe

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18:08 <shevy> well that is much larger to do than ... you know... sneakily replacing Optionparser with slop or trollop or anything else

18:08 <shevy> what does ruby have once you remove rdoc

18:08 <havenwood> shevy: Then to get Pry in the stdlib, muahahaha.

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18:09 <shevy> who is making the decision what goes into stdlib and what does not btw? matz only?

18:09 <slowcon> havenwood: figured it out

18:09 <slowcon> havenwood: didnt figure it out, nevermind haha

18:09 <shevy> haha

18:09 <havenwood> shevy: community proposes, maintainer of area of stdlib weighs in, Matz makes ultimate decision

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18:10 <slowcon> haha ive been at work for 4 hours and havent got a script to run

18:11 <havenwood> shevy: You can see the process trolling through Issues: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk/issues

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18:11 <shevy> hmm

18:11 <slowcon> maybe try to reinstall with an elevated command prompt?

18:11 <slowcon> as administrator

18:12 <shevy> I think I once suggested to eliminate File.exists?

18:12 <havenwood> shevy: It has been deprecated.

18:12 <slowcon> do you suggest uninstalling first?

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18:12 <shevy> because apeiros said that matz said that it would be the wrong question to ask the object

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18:12 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> is there any way to keep irb from dumping values automatically. Im running a look on a very large array and it just dumps the array when its done and i cant see my output.

18:12 <havenwood> shevy: File#exists? is deprecated in 2.1, now it is just File#exist?. :P

18:12 <shevy> like rather than "object has pants", it should be "object, do you have pants on?"

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18:13 <shevy> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi one stupid trick is to append ''

18:13 <shevy> then it will give you back the ''

18:13 <shevy> if you have a big class, a fat object, then the '' trick is alright :P

18:13 <shevy> SomeThing.new; ''

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18:13 <shevy> there are probably smarter ways

18:13 <havenwood> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: Pry is a fantastic irb alternative if you haven't tried it.

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18:14 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> I got it, theres a echo thingy

18:14 <shevy> aha

18:14 <shevy> what is this

18:14 <shevy> hmmmm

18:14 <shevy> SOMEBODY TURN IT OFF!!!

18:14 <popl_> shevy, stop it man

18:14 <shevy> phew

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18:15 <shevy> popl_ there was a nasty echo in here

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18:15 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> happens when you have your head up your but for too long :-P j/k

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18:16 <shevy> hey, now if I would be that flexible

18:16 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> hey hey, TMI

18:16 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> dont go there lol

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18:17 <shevy> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi I dont wanna go there anyway, I just wondered if it is possible

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18:18 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> the dangers of an idle mind...

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18:22 <shevy> hah

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18:22 <shevy> who had the idea first

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18:28 <tassos_> any advice for someone about to get started with Ruby?

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18:29 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> get started already!

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18:30 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> its not bad, i started using it two days ago and im picking it up faster than I did Python (but that may well be the reason).

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18:36 <arcanez> is there a shortcut for 'foo.bar if foo.respond_to? :bar'?

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18:40 <ddd> thats pretty short as it is

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18:40 <havenwood> arcanez: There's Object#try in Rails land. You can cherry pick it with: require 'active_support/core_ext/object/try'

18:40 <ddd> not to mention exceptionally readable

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18:42 <arcanez> havenwood: thanks

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18:43 <arcanez> ddd: yes, it is pretty short, but foo.try(:bar) is even shorter and (to me) reads better

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18:43 <ddd> its definitely shorter but you lose the readability of what is actually being done

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18:44 <ddd> i'll post-post that thats my opinion of course

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18:44 <apeiros> havenwood: indeed! what's up with freenode? :-S

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18:44 <ddd> don't want that read as me saying thats fact since its a subjective opinion :)

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18:46 <arcanez> too late

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18:46 <ddd> hehe

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18:48 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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18:48 <apeiros> lets see how long it lasts this time

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18:50 <arcanez> ddd: personally, I view 'try' as something akin to ||= or &&=, in that they are shorter and to the point.. obviously, they aren't great if you don't know what they mean :)

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18:50 <ddd> i can agree with that stance.

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18:50 <arcanez> it is frustrating when you are reading code and have to stop to look up a method name though

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18:51 <ddd> i'm more of the verbose coder, I tend to like the more expansive expressions in order to cut down as much as possible on the potential for misunderstanding. though I do understand and accept that some methods are faster than others due to precedence etc

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18:51 <arcanez> I started life in Perl.. so verbose isncabulary

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18:51 <ddd> where its critical, i can see using them

18:51 <ddd> hehehe

18:51 <arcanez> *isn't in my vocabulary

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18:52 <ddd> yeah, perl coders generally do not lean towards verbosity

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18:52 <apeiros> but RSA encryption is :-D

18:52 <shevy> you mean when writing their code

18:52 <shevy> or when outputting stuff to users

18:52 <ddd> writing generally. or thats what i mean myself

18:52 <shevy> at work the rest of the team uses perl

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18:53 <shevy> I am now totally disillusioned - they use perl for like one script at a time. they have no real concept of an overarching module or reusable components

18:53 <ddd> while i've written plenty, i never did like perl

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18:53 <ddd> actually, i haven't touched very many other languages since i found ruby

18:53 <ddd> i've become addicted :)

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18:54 <arcanez> I do Perl, Ruby (rails) and some java *shudder*

18:54 <arcanez> shevy: :(

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18:54 <shevy> I think they never thought of combining the two. I myself use all my .rb scripts both standalone, and some of them as part of larger modules with a more convenient interactive shell, some of them with GUI bindings for ruby-gnome and so forth. it gives more advantages that way for you get to pick the best out of everything

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18:55 <ddd> shevy could be just a lack of exposure or unwillingness to leave their comfort zone

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18:55 <shevy> they more use perl like the extra layer on top of unix-tools solely

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18:55 <shevy> ddd not sure. the whole IT department is like this "what? you want a new version? ok... ask me in a year..."

18:55 <ddd> that and the fact that perl is much more likely to be in place than ruby

18:55 <toretore> "what are you talking about? they're plenty reusable.. just call it with this and this argument and parse the output"

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18:56 <shevy> ddd yeah but once something is in use, IT STAYS THERE FOREVER

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18:56 <ddd> one of the bad things about corporate culture

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18:56 <shevy> now I have ruby 1.9.3 on one server

18:56 <shevy> but the webserver has 1.8.7

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18:56 <ddd> i understand and accept the slowness to change that companies have, but wow its a pita most of the time

18:56 <shevy> and the postgresql database is yet on another server

18:56 <shevy> and everything is controlled by shell scripts and perl

18:56 <ddd> shevy well that last is probably good

18:57 <ddd> err 2nd to last

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18:57 <ddd> to my mind, putting psql on its own server allows a singular instance (ignoring HA possibilities) to be available to more areas of the internal network

18:58 <ddd> makes maintenance easier at the least

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18:58 <shevy> cool

18:58 <shevy> except that the webserver can not connect to the database-server

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18:58 <arcanez> ddd: try looks uglier when you want to throw args into your method..

18:58 <ddd> no backend internal-network-only IP assigned?

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18:58 <shevy> ddd it is "in the works" since about 2 weeks

18:58 <ddd> arcanez yeah

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18:59 <ddd> shevy hehe, again hit with the slowness of corporate life ;)

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18:59 <shevy> ddd I can connect to the intranet webserver part and puma+rack is running, but I can not connect to the database ...

18:59 <shevy> well

18:59 <ddd> wonder if they have a FW on that machine limiting IP access

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18:59 <ddd> quite possible

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18:59 <shevy> it's more the people that are the problem, they are lazy, resistent to change

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18:59 <ddd> lowers the potential attack vectors considerably

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18:59 <ddd> ah

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19:00 <shevy> and there are endless discussions

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19:00 <ddd> oh god i hate that. discussion after discussion after... its like working for the UN or Congress

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19:00 <popl_> They have better health care.

19:00 <ddd> hehe

19:01 <shevy> "you take too much away from our cluster! our budget does not allow for new machines" ... 3 weeks later ... "hey, this microscope is new and state of the art, let's buy it" (bye 200.000 euro)

19:01 <shevy> the number is an exaggeration

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19:01 <shevy> ddd right and no decisions are made

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19:01 <ddd> shevy yep :/

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19:01 <shevy> ddd or, a decision is made, but 2 hours later it is invalidated by some other guy

19:02 <ddd> or prioritized WAY down the bottom of the list by some tech that just doesn't feel like going through the hassle

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19:06 <shevy> hmm

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19:19 <karl___> could someone take a look at this and tell me why I get "unexpected keyword_end" on line 44? http://pastebin.com/5LB3B0cy (sorry no github access from current location)

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19:22 <karl___> specifically, I get:

19:22 <karl___> karlspuzzlesolver.rb:44: syntax error, unexpected keyword_end

19:22 <karl___> karlspuzzlesolver.rb:48: syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting keyword_end

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19:28 <claymore> karl___: line 41, i++ should be i+=1

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19:29 <karl___> claymore: THANK YOU

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19:29 <karl___> i was going slowly insane

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19:29 <claymore> np

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19:31 <benzrf|afk> lol

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19:35 <brian___> hey everyone, can someone explain how to use a constant value in a regex statement?

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19:36 <shevy> what is that

19:36 <ddd> claymore 1lb of C-4 packed with 750 1/4" solid steel ball bearings in a conclave form. Purposed to shred the hell out of any(one|thing) on the "This Side Towards Enemy" side :)

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19:36 <ddd> muahaha

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19:37 <brian___> oh.. sorry i didnt realize it was the same as always, just #{...}

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19:38 <shevy> ah you meant variables

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19:38 <shevy> no, rather interpolation... could be method calls too

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19:39 <shevy> >> foo = 'abcyo'; def bla; return 'yo'; end; foo =~ /abc#{bla}/

19:39 <eval-in___> shevy => 0 (https://eval.in/105234)

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19:44 <shevy> hmm

19:44 <shevy> anyone knows of a project

19:44 <shevy> that does this

19:44 <shevy> "00:11:35" -> 1100 # well, in seconds... whatever the correct number is

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19:44 <wiku5_> #crissic

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19:44 <benzrf|afk> hmm

19:44 <benzrf|afk> how do i get an iterator from map instead of an arr?

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19:45 <xybre> banister: don't pass it a block

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19:45 <xybre> sorry banister that was meant for benzrf|afk

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19:46 <benzrf|afk> but

19:46 <xybre> benzrf|afk: collection.map will return an Enumerator

19:46 <benzrf|afk> the idea is that i want an iterator of the mapped results

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19:46 <benzrf|afk> xybre: o:?

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19:47 <banister> benzrf|afk .lazy.map

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19:48 <bricker> benzrf|afk: or Object#to_enum

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19:48 <benzrf|afk> im on 1.9 soz

19:48 <benzrf|afk> :|

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19:48 <benzrf|afk> alright ;-;

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19:51 <brian___> hm, wrapping the constant in #{} doesnt seem to be working. could someone point out what im doing wrong: https://gist.github.com/briansw/9195658

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19:52 <toretore> brian___: what is it meant to do?

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19:53 <brian___> it should turn Greg Smith: into Greg Smith: Lorem ipsum dolor

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19:55 <toretore> brian___: works fine for me

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19:56 <toretore> you are missing a > though

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19:56 <toretore> i'm guessing you're running this on some web server and checking the result in the browser

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19:57 <brian___> toretore: no im running on my local machine. when i do something as simple as gsub!('foo', 'bar') it works just fine, but this statement is being completely ignored...

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19:58 <ddd> punch it into Pry and add a binding.pry statement before that code block (or what would call it) and see whats up

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19:59 <toretore> >> INTERVIEWER = 'Greg Smith'; text = 'Greg Smith: lorem ipsum dolor'; text.gsub!(/(#{INTERVIEWER}:)/, ""); text

19:59 <eval-in___> toretore => " lorem ipsum dolor" (https://eval.in/105235)

20:00 <shevy> brian___, see it works

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20:00 <benzrf|afk> toretore: no

20:00 <benzrf|afk> toretore: U CANT PARSE HTML WITH REGEX

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20:00 * benzrf|afk smacks toretore

20:00 <benzrf|afk> bye

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20:00 <shevy> wow

20:00 <shevy> poor toretore

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20:00 <shevy> gets bitchslapped from someone who ragequits away

20:00 <brian___> lol : (

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20:01 <brian___> man i dont know... it's just returning nil for me

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20:01 <shevy> yes

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20:01 <shevy> it may return nil

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20:01 <shevy> but you used .gsub!

20:01 <shevy> so what else do you expect

20:01 <brian___> but it didnt change the string...

20:01 <shevy> yes it changed the string

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20:01 <shevy> you are not looking

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20:02 <brian___> im writing the results to a file and the file is not changed.

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20:02 <shevy> ruby is terse and elegant so you must look carefully at the code

20:02 <shevy> ok so how do you write to the file

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20:03 <toretore> brian___: you have too many steps in between the code you want to test and the result you're using to test with

20:03 <toretore> if you want to test the result of a method call, then test that

20:03 <toretore> not what you may or may not write to a file

20:03 <shevy> brian___, what he means: debug as simple as doing: p text

20:04 <shevy> right after you make small changes

20:04 <brian___> i think i am? im using rubymine and put a debugger right before the line and looking at the results etc. also like i was saying when i try a simple regex with foo, bar it works fine. updated gist: https://gist.github.com/briansw/9195658

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20:05 <shevy> that code is not good

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20:05 <shevy> you should always check if the file exists before doing File.read* operations

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20:05 <shevy> and using a method would be better, you can still do begin/rescue inside the method if you really want to

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20:06 <shevy> brian___ when you do: p text right after the begin/rescue/end, what is the output?

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20:07 <brian___> shevy: ''

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20:07 <brian___> er sorry

20:07 <brian___> that was after the gsub

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20:07 <shevy> I guess it will also be '' before the gsub

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20:07 <shevy> in your pastie you said that text is different

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20:08 <shevy> like this

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20:08 <shevy> text = 'Greg Smith: lorem ipsum dolor';

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20:08 <shevy> but your text is

20:08 <brian___> before and after it's the same: Greg Smith: Lorem ipsum dolor

20:08 <shevy> text = ''

20:09 <shevy> now I am confused, I thought you said it was ''

20:09 <shevy> after the gsub

20:09 <shevy> now you said it is the same both before and after :)

20:09 <brian___> my mistake.. sorry it's def printing the same

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20:09 <shevy> ok so before the gsub, we confirm:

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20:10 <shevy> text = 'Greg Smith: Lorem ipsum dolor'

20:10 <shevy> and you say that after the .gsub it is still the same

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20:10 <shevy> now that is logical

20:10 <shevy> because in your constant you use this here:

20:10 <shevy> INTERVIEWER = 'Glen Smith'

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20:10 <shevy> and in your regex, you look for that string /(#{INTERVIEWER}:)/

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20:10 <shevy> so how can you find a "Glen Smith" string in a "Greg Smith" string ...

20:10 <brian___> ok

20:10 <brian___> im an asshole

20:11 <brian___> so sorry... thank you

20:11 <brian___> ugh

20:11 <shevy> \o/

20:11 <popl> You're on IRC, so probably.

20:11 <shevy> it's an easy problem

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20:11 <shevy> there are problems where you may be stuck for hours and noone can help you either

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20:11 <shevy> easy problems are good problems

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20:12 <shevy> hey

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20:12 <shevy> who was the guy here who started with ruby-gtk not long ago?

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20:12 <shevy> I need a testie

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20:23 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> do blocks do auto couting somehow or do I need to track the looping myself to see what iteration im on

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20:23 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> *do do blocks

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20:23 <shevy> auto cooting?

20:24 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> *doodoo blocks?? lol

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20:24 <shevy> how do you loop exactly

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20:24 <shevy> if you use loop {} then you must count on your own

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20:24 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> something.each do |obj|

20:24 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> something.iteration

20:24 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> end

20:24 <shevy> if you use #each then you can usually use #each_with_index (or each_index, I always forget)

20:25 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> ahh there we go

20:25 <ddd> each_with_index

20:25 <shevy> yeah use each_with_index... or each_index, one of them works

20:25 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> ty

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20:25 <shevy> map_with_index also exists I think

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20:25 <shevy> and index_with_ddd will screw over your code

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20:26 <shevy> when before you had lean and elegant code and then you smacked a ddd on it!

20:26 * ddd sharpens his data slicing-and-dicing knives

20:26 <shevy> hehe

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20:26 <shevy> ddd are you working on some ruby-related project lately?

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20:26 <ddd> shevy 2 of them

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20:27 <ddd> haven't had a lot of time to do lots, but as i get time i have ben

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20:28 <Uranio> hi, I'm using open-uri to load feed URL from feedburner, but, always get the cached

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20:28 <Uranio> but, after reload the apge with Shift+F5 it load the new

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20:32 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> that sounds like normal browser caching when the website doesnt send no-cache headers. whats your question?

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20:36 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: i send thats headers but still now working

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20:36 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> Theres two places for cache related stuff, one is the HTTP headers and the other is the HTML page's meta tags

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20:37 <fveillette> Is it possible when i do myarray.map{|c| c.downcase} it give me a error about downcase is not a method for hash

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20:37 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> outside of that, if you page is going through HTTP proxies (not sure if thats the right term) it could be stripping some of that

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20:39 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: @headers['Cache-Control']='no-cache HTTP/1.1'

20:39 <Uranio> open(URI(url),@headers).read

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20:40 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> are you writing code to serve or to retrieve a page

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20:41 <Uranio> retrieve

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20:41 <Uranio> using open-uir

20:41 <Uranio> open-uri

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20:41 <fveillette> Is it possible when i do myarray.map{|c| c.downcase} it give me a error about downcase is not a method for hash

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20:43 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: only work if the brwoser shift-F5 is pressed

20:44 <Uranio> after mount a local web server

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20:44 <Uranio> the only one header field that difference, is the cache-control ans user-agent

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20:44 <Uranio> meybe feedburner only "eat" cache-control from a valid user-agent

20:45 <Uranio> ?would be?

20:45 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> are you retrieving a page from a remote location and then serving it back to yourself through your own browser page or something?

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20:45 <Uranio> nop

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20:45 <Uranio> I just pulling a feed

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20:48 <benzrf> it finally happened

20:48 <benzrf> im writing ruby in a starbucks

20:49 <benzrf> i have become the stereotype

20:49 <benzrf> ;-;

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20:49 <apeiros> is that good or bad?

20:49 <benzrf> idk man

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20:50 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: not even with tje user-agent header it work

20:50 <Uranio> what would be the mistery

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20:52 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> so the page your script retrieves is cached like the one on your web browser but with your browser you can force refresh?

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20:53 <shevy> benzrf are you slurping coffee or chocolate as you code in starbucks?

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20:54 <benzrf> sadly no

20:54 <benzrf> i do not have sufficient monetary funds

20:54 <benzrf> ;-;

20:54 <benzrf> v tragic

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20:54 <shevy> ask for half a glass of chocolate and wash the dishes

20:54 <benzrf> nnnnaaah

20:54 <benzrf> probably against child labor laws or something anyway

20:54 <shevy> lol

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20:54 <benzrf> and also starbux is corporate so i bet its against policy

20:55 <benzrf> it's not like the supreme owner is gonna approve it

20:55 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> Uranio: when I do the F5 on my browser, it sends both the "Cache-Control: no-cache" and "Pragma: nocache" as part of the request headers. see if adding those to the request headers helps.

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20:55 <benzrf> aha for once i did not say ItSANgo !

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20:55 <shevy> damn

20:55 <shevy> get out of starbucks at once

20:55 <shevy> it is beginning to change you already

20:55 <benzrf> my vitural econony is coming along quite nicely

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20:56 <benzrf> soon the backend shit will be sufficiently awesome to begin working on networking

20:56 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: Pragma is only for the local browser AFAIK

20:56 <benzrf> B)

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20:56 <Uranio> but let me check

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20:56 <benzrf> 03:56 < benzrf> !nickometer "[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi"

20:56 <benzrf> 03:56 < bROBOT> benzrf: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi" is 78.0%.

20:56 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> my FF sent it as part of the GET request when I did the F$ refresh, im not sure on that

20:57 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> I was just watching the requests through the dev tools

20:57 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> *when it does a normal get without F5 its not sent

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20:57 <shiftins> is there a way to call super() on a method and just forward all arguments to the method without adding each one individually to super() ?

20:58 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: good, thanks for you help, I'll test it, tomorrow, and shall showme the latest rss instead the generated now....

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20:58 <fveillette> Is it possible when i do myarray.map{|c| c.downcase} it give me a error about downcase is not a method for hash

20:59 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> shiftins: I think I saw some examples of ruby doing array/hash exploding like Python so it probably does

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20:59 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> unless I misunderstood what i was looking at

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21:00 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> fveillette: why not check the object type of c before running downcase on it?

21:00 <Uranio> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: good work, pragma header work

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21:00 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> Uranio: cool glad it worked

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21:01 <Robbo_> jade or haml, which one should I choose? kgo

21:01 <Uranio> thanks

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21:03 <fveillette> [ROOR]XxNeoLiTHi: i tried the method and it works fine but after converting my array in downcase i campare with an other one like: myarray.map{|c| c.downcase} == myarray2.map{|c| c.downcase} can it cause an issue?

21:04 <shiftins> oh. I'm about to try this, but I think calling just super; without () will automatically pass along the arguments

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21:07 <apeiros> fveillette: an issue in what regard?

21:07 <shiftins> tis true. arguments are automatically forwarded using super;

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21:07 <apeiros> shiftins: yes, including the block.

21:08 <apeiros> shiftins: the block is even forwarded using super();

21:08 <apeiros> only super(&nil) prevents that

21:08 <shiftins> apeiros: thanks

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21:15 <fafa94> any good ruby projects in GSOC ?

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21:15 <fveillette> apeiros: it's a issue cause it's return me an error in chef saying i tried to do a method downcase on a hash

21:15 <fveillette> but they array so i don'T understand

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21:16 <apeiros> fveillette: myarray.map{|c| c.downcase} # <-- in this code, you do *not* call downcase on myarray

21:16 <apeiros> you call it on its individual items

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21:17 <apeiros> and if you get an error which tells you that you call downcase on a hash, then the conclusion is that your array contains a hash.

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21:17 <Robbo_> why do people use haml over jade?

21:17 <fafa94> any good multithreading tuts for ruby ?

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21:17 <apeiros> Robbo_: why should people use jade? what's jade at all?

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21:18 <fafa94> jade is used for frontend templating

21:18 <fafa94> right ?

21:18 <Robbo_> from what I am seeing it is just haml with less symbols

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21:21 <fveillette> apeiros: you are right i just found my issue... thanks

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21:24 <atmosx> Robbo_: if it doesn't offer anything substantial over haml, then because haml is older people (and I) use HAML we don't know what Jade is.

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21:26 <Robbo_> I must be missing something

21:26 <Robbo_> I can't even find a jade vs haml

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21:27 <Robbo_> oh it is because it was made for node

21:27 <apeiros> Robbo_: looks a bit like Slim

21:27 <Robbo_> and no one with a brain likes node

21:27 <apeiros> though, slim looks better IMO

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21:27 <ddd> heh thats a rather brash statement

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21:28 <apeiros> I don't use either. So I wouldn't know which one I'd like better. Just glancing on the front page.

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21:28 <Robbo_> I think I should just stick to haml

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21:30 <atmosx> isn't node a JS framework?

21:30 <atmosx> has nothing to do with ruby

21:30 <ddd> afaik

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21:30 <Robbo_> yeah but there is jade working in ruby

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21:30 <ddd> definitely js, but not sure if its an engin+framework or just the framework using the js runtime

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21:30 <ddd> haven't looked indepth enough

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21:30 <Robbo_> you guys don't know node?

21:31 <Robbo_> it's the new hipster

21:31 <ddd> thought you said no one with a brain used it

21:31 <Robbo_> yes

21:31 <Robbo_> so hipsters

21:31 <ddd> so how would you know if its hipster or not

21:31 <Robbo_> it has dev tools written on it that I use, but that is all lol

21:31 <Robbo_> grunt and gulp

21:31 <Robbo_> which are like guard

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21:32 <slash_nick> ddd: was anyone doing it before it was cool?

21:32 <ddd> slash_nick yeah, thats how it became cool :)

21:32 <slash_nick> think that's the criteria

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21:33 <ddd> oh cool, so its hipster if someone was using it before it was cool? wonder if that applies to the people too. that means linux is hipster, and i'm a hipster ;)

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21:33 <Robbo_> rails used to be hipster

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21:33 <Robbo_> then it matured

21:34 <pipework> Well, it got less hip.

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21:34 <pipework> Maybe one might call it mature, I'm a bit more skeptical.

21:34 <ddd> ramaze is more hip

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21:34 <Robbo_> hipster is when you use something just because of the buzz and the reasons you claim to use it are either false, not things that matter or over time you realize they aren't actually good

21:34 <ddd> ahhh

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21:34 <Robbo_> pipework: well a little mature

21:34 <pipework> Let's not go full-reddit about definitions.

21:34 <ddd> then i'd say i'm an 'early adopter'

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21:35 <ddd> no clue what the current 'in' terms are

21:35 <Robbo_> if you consider node for a project you should probably just be using python or Go

21:35 <pipework> Or anything else.

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21:35 <Robbo_> yes

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21:35 <slash_nick> the node.js hipster index is defined as the ratio of developer's currently using node.js to the number of developers who used node.js before it was cool

21:35 <ddd> i've surface looked at node. as in just the website, nothing beyond that

21:35 <shevy> ddd scaredy cat

21:35 <ddd> heh

21:35 <Robbo_> the website claims things that just aren't true

21:36 <Robbo_> because it is aync and not threaded

21:36 <ddd> more like i know almost zero (probably could be said to be zero) js, so its worthless to me

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21:37 <ddd> ruby, c, c++, bash, perl, C#, and enough java to be dangerous. oh, and the old BASIC, and somewhat of the new VisualBasic

21:37 <Robbo_> lucky you

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21:37 <ddd> i stick almost entirely with ruby and C# (windows apps) though I have some androidOS app plans in the works that might change my listing

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21:37 <pipework> I've been writing JS a long time, much longer than anyone took is seriously. Node for me is a passing fancy for the initiated, and a shiny toy for the unwashed masses of hipster JS developers.

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21:38 <pipework> s/is/it/

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21:38 <centrx> Damn hipsters

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21:39 <ddd> idk coffeescript either yet, so i'm at a disadvantage in the rails framework community as well (since rails includes that)

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21:39 <ddd> there's a LOT of the included technologies that i know very little to none of

21:40 <ddd> there's just too freakin much TO know

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21:40 <centrx> Coffeescript is straightforward if you already know JS and Ruby

21:40 <ddd> got half that criteria down then :)

21:40 <pipework> I dislike coffeescript because they don't use var and don't provide some kind of way to prevent modifying the environment outside of the closure.

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21:40 <pipework> https://gist.github.com/Spaceghost/9055820

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21:41 <ddd> hmm, hate to say it, but this plasma/netbook interface is kind of growing on me

21:41 <centrx> pipework, Do you have that link you posted to the channel the other day about Ruby books?

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21:42 <existensil> plasma/netbook?

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21:42 <pipework> centrx: The one about getting started learning ruby?

21:42 <pipework> https://gist.github.com/waseem/5068050

21:42 <centrx> I think so, yes. It was on github

21:42 <centrx> Yes

21:42 <centrx> Thank you

21:42 <ddd> existensil kde desktop management/theme/look/whathaveyou

21:42 <existensil> ah

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21:44 <mrsolo> what is ?. in foo == ?.

21:45 <jhass> mrsolo: depends on your ruby version but a character literal, in 1.8 it's the character code, since 1.9 just that character as a string

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21:45 <jhass> that is, "."

21:46 <mrsolo> ah thanks

21:46 <ddd> existensil you know the google chrome netbooks? the interface looks sort of like that. I'm playing with the deifferent options that Kubuntu has available for themes, desktop management and stuff

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21:46 <ddd> err s/deif/dif/

21:46 <jhass> mrsolo: nobody is using it anymore, if you're in the position to do so, I'd say rewrite it

21:47 <ddd> existensil just playing around basically

21:47 <mrsolo> jhass, it is part of the documentation here http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0.0/libdoc/find/rdoc/Find.html

21:47 <existensil> i haven't touched kde in years. might be worth a fresh look.

21:47 <jhass> ah, odd

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21:47 <shevy> kde is like the plague

21:48 <shevy> better don't touch it

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21:48 <ddd> existensil i love kde. still a bit heavy, yes, but i personally can't stand gnome. but thats a personal thing

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21:48 <existensil> i'm a unity fan. using that right now.

21:49 <Xeago> >> ?.

21:49 <eval-in___> Xeago => "." (https://eval.in/105258)

21:49 <Xeago> wat

21:49 <ddd> yeah lots of folks using it, but.. idk, i just don't like it.

21:49 <jsilver_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

21:49 <jhass> 18>> ?.

21:49 <eval-in___> jhass => 46 (https://eval.in/105259)

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21:49 <jsilver_> >> puts "dicks"*40

21:49 <eval-in___> jsilver_ => dicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicks ... (https://eval.in/105260)

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21:49 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> if I do an array.push( Hash.new() do |obj|

21:49 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> end

21:49 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> )

21:49 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> do I need to specifically return something from the block? I keep getting empty hashes even though im assigning elements to obj correctly

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21:50 <slowcon> i dont understand this garbage. i added the ruby bin to my path in windows. i require a gem and it returns true. i call the gem and it says cant find http://snag.gy/EHCJT.jpg

21:50 <jsilver_> loller

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21:50 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> sausage fest

21:50 <centrx> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi, Please remember to use gist or pastie, or that particular code could have been cleaned up to be on one line

21:50 <ddd> ruby is a real dick on windows

21:50 <jsilver_> slowcon: try require 'rubygems' first

21:50 <apeiros> perfect fit

21:50 <centrx> slowcon, Win...does?

21:50 <slowcon> ddd i fn hate it

21:50 <ddd> apeiros lol

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21:51 <jhass> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: Hash.new {|k, hash| hash[k] = whatever } (or |hash, k| I can't remember, look it up in the docs)

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21:51 <ddd> slowcon in all seriousness, install virtualbox or something and create a linux virtual machine. use it there. you'll hav eless problems and be a lot happier

21:51 <existensil> slowcon: true/false for require just tells you whether it was already loaded (false) or loaded for the first time (true)

21:51 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> isnt |obj] then obj[key] = xyz the same?

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21:51 <jsilver_> agreed.. or maybe try cygwin?

21:51 * jsilver_ hides

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21:51 <existensil> slowcon: the problem isn't calling the gem. the problem is the gem can't find phantomjs.exe

21:52 <ddd> cygwin is still a bit flakey too but much better than just 'pure' windows setup

21:52 <existensil> or whatever its supposed to be

21:52 <jsilver_> ddd: agreed

21:52 <slowcon> existensil: do i have to add phantomjs ITESELF to the path?

21:52 <existensil> i dunno. consult the phantomjs gem docs i would think

21:52 <existensil> might want to add phantomjs executable to path and see

21:53 <jsilver_> "The Cygwin DLL currently works with all recent, commercially released x86 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Windows, starting with Windows XP SP3." wow XP SP3 so recent

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21:53 <ddd> see? shows how little i know of the js world too. didn't know phantomjs supported windows

21:53 <jsilver_> oh nvm didnt see the starting

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21:53 <jsilver_> supporting windows is sort of like feeding a hungry lion... your hand

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21:54 <slowcon> jsilver_ hahaha

21:54 <jsilver_> lol

21:54 <slowcon> i spent an entire day hating windows

21:54 <existensil> phantomjs is headless webkit, so i would expect windows

21:54 <jhass> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: no, where would key come from in your case?

21:54 <jsilver_> I've spent my life hating Microsoft since the release of .NET and the shelving of VB6

21:54 <slowcon> thats all i got accomplished

21:54 <pipework> Or your 'jewels' if you like to extend the metaphor.

21:54 <ddd> ehh windows isn't entirely that bad. yeah its a highly targeted platform, but if you're using windows software on the windows platform things generally run fine. its when yous tart using it outside of their target group that you have real issues

21:54 <ddd> we're definitely NOT their target group ;)

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21:54 <jsilver_> yeah

21:54 <jsilver_> microsoft killing IronRuby sealed that deal

21:55 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> im specifying it explicitly, im not looking for the dynamic key like it shows in docs for that example

21:55 <ddd> we don't just *use* the platform, we morph the hell out of it. not who MS was marketing to ;)

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21:55 <jhass> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: so you want to assign the same key all the time every time an unset key is accessed? That makes little sense to me

21:55 <existensil> i use almost nothing microsoft, but i don't hate them. they are a company and you should not really have emotional responses to a nebulous evolving loose organization of thousands of investors, employees, mangers/executes, and customers

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21:56 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> i want to create a new hash and use the block to set specific values in it before its returned

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21:56 <existensil> they are all always changing being a fan boy or hater of any company is kind of silly

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21:56 <toretore> hating ms is so last century, the cool thing now is to hate apple

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21:56 <existensil> well, yes, i of course hate apple

21:56 <existensil> ;-)

21:56 <ddd> i have marketing and business ethics issues with the company. I have issues with the platform but those result from not just trying to use the platform the way MS envisioned.

21:56 <jhass> [ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi: that's not what the block passed to Hash.new is intended for, sorry but you simply misunderstood the docs there

21:56 <[ROOT]XxNeoLiTHi> k

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21:56 <jsilver_> hate whoever you want... the consumers will make the final decision who survives

21:57 <jsilver_> ddd same

21:57 <ddd> now see, I love Apple. I don't like what they're doing *now* since Jobs died (well since he stepped down as CEO) but thats mee

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21:57 <ddd> s/ee/e/

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21:57 <jsilver_> same here

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21:57 <shevy> ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.1.tar.bz2

21:57 <shevy> VICTORY

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21:58 <ddd> hehe, get em where you can!

21:58 <jsilver_> at home I use Windows 8 for games sometimes and like it, like to get a SteamBox at some point tho

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21:58 <jsilver_> all other places I use OS X, but I use Linux in a VM for Rails...

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21:58 <ddd> naa, steamOS is *too* targeted. i game but i'm not trying to write any

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21:58 <jsilver_> me too

21:58 <jsilver_> i rarely game anymore

21:58 <jsilver_> music has taken over my life

21:58 <pipework> I'm working with a friend on making games!

21:58 <pipework> It's so fun.

21:58 <shevy> coding has taken over my life

21:58 <toretore> tbh, whatever evil things ms has done doesn't matter when you factor in that without it all the good bill gates does wouldn't have happened

21:59 <shevy> pipework will it have documentation?

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21:59 <jsilver_> I only code at work right now

21:59 <ddd> toretore for me, i see that as separate

21:59 <pipework> shevy: The game is documentation with documentation by documentation for documentation.

21:59 <shevy> jsilver_ unfortunately I do so as well and it is less fun to do it at work :(

21:59 <pipework> And tests!

21:59 <toretore> but it's not ddd

21:59 <existensil> steamos works pretty well if you want to play PC games from the couch. that's either awesome or eh depending on who you are.

21:59 <jsilver_> toretore: so true

21:59 <toretore> microsoft == bill gates

21:59 <jsilver_> shevy: eh, I have fun doing it work but I get your point

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21:59 <pipework> I think it's more funnerer to work on making games right now for me.

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21:59 <shevy> lucky you - I am the only one who has to use a windows machine and I am not allowed to install anything

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22:00 <jsilver_> existensil: I do that now with Razor, Logitech and Windows 8, and a mini display port adapter.. but yes SteamOS will be better

22:00 <jsilver_> existensil: as far as using the computer itself from the couch, I find that nice

22:00 <jsilver_> my mom likes it too

22:00 <jsilver_> I let her use my Razer

22:00 <pipework> shevy: I don't stand for that kind of shit.

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22:00 <ddd> toretore ok, then in that frame of mind, his suing a preacher that gave away free sermons to other pasters called Bookshelf of Sermons for using the name Bookshelf in his title was too over the top

22:00 <pipework> jsilver_: Did she shave with it?

22:00 <existensil> jsilver_: my windows machine is currently in a similar setup and dual booting steam os :-P

22:00 <jsilver_> pipework: you makin games? cool

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22:00 <pipework> jsilver_: Trying!

22:00 <jsilver_> pipework: lol, no the black widow ultimate KB its nice

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22:00 <shevy> pipework somehow one has to pay the bills

22:00 <jsilver_> existensil: nice

22:00 <ddd> guy wasn't selling them, wasn't making money off them, wasn't competing against them, nothing. it was a ludicrous lawsuit

22:01 <toretore> ddd: but that doesn't invalidate any of the other things

22:01 <pipework> shevy: I don't know what it's like to live in Russia, or wherever you're from.

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22:01 <shevy> pipework so how do you make money

22:01 <ddd> toretore its absolutely typical of the company though for many of its initial years

22:01 <toretore> ddd: are you sure it's "he" and not "ms"?

22:01 <pipework> shevy: Documentation.

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22:01 <shevy> nah

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22:01 <ddd> toretore you were the one that said ms == bill gates

22:01 <ddd> so..

22:01 <shevy> nobody reads documentation pipework, you should have known that by now

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22:01 <toretore> ddd: well, ok

22:01 <ddd> can't just take the good

22:01 <shevy> will you sell your game?

22:02 <pipework> shevy: That's why I make money. I write all that documentation no one reads. It's hard to not read something that doesn't exist.

22:02 <pipework> If it weren't for me, you'd not have any documentation to not read.

22:02 <ddd> pipework ahahaha

22:02 <toretore> ddd: but when you add it all together, ms/bg has been a force for good

22:02 <shevy> I am beginning to believe that pipework needs money

22:02 <ddd> toretore in many ways, yes. which is why i don't totally denounce the company

22:02 <pipework> toretore: Maybe if you sweep everything under the rug that's less than sanitary for the morally upright.

22:02 <ddd> notice how i've couched each of my comments about MS

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22:03 <pipework> I fucking love couches.

22:03 <pipework> and couchdb.

22:03 <existensil> the best logo of any database

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22:03 <ddd> i love them too. great sleeping spots

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22:03 <pipework> shevy: If I'm lucky, I'll make a lot of money from the games I write. Will I sell them? I'm not sure.

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22:04 <existensil> how else would you make money off of them?

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22:04 <toretore> not those short ones where your feet hang over the side

22:04 <ddd> service and support

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22:04 <ddd> toretore even those are ok. sleep int he fetal position :)

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22:04 <ddd> err in the

22:04 <toretore> or you have to sleep in a fetal position

22:04 <toretore> yes

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22:05 <ddd> which is actually quite comfortable, so long as you can occasionally stretch out

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22:05 <ddd> these days i sleep in a ball not because i want to, but because we got so many damned dogs on the bed with us lol

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22:06 <ddd> and don't say just kick em off the bed. i am *not* giving up my portable heaters ;)

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22:08 <pipework> existensil: Could be a number of ways. Crowd funding enough to make the game and survive until I make another, selling my soul, selling things that are related to the game itself, but making the game free, selling my fame to others, selling the computers I wrote the game with, selling my body, etc.

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22:08 <existensil> i am so happy you didn't mention ads. thank you. that alone makes me want to buy your game.

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22:09 <pipework> What are ads?

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22:10 <shevy> pipework ads may be a way how you could distribute your documentation AND on top of that you get paid

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22:11 <shevy> since nobody reads documentation, you could display a random snippet of them every now and then, together with a little notice like "Starbucks"

22:11 <pipework> shevy: But if the game is documentation, no one would benefit from ads.

22:11 <jsilver_> >> puts "Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his powerlevel?"; puts "ITS OVER #{8999+(0.5*2)}!!!!!!!"

22:11 <eval-in___> jsilver_ => Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his powerlevel? ... (https://eval.in/105262)

22:11 <shevy> no, you need to do something in a game of course

22:11 <jsilver_> >> puts "Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his powerlevel? .... ITS OVER #{8999+(0.5*2)}!!!!!!!"

22:11 <eval-in___> jsilver_ => Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his powerlevel? .... ITS OVER 9000.0!!!!!!! ... (https://eval.in/105263)

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22:12 <pipework> shevy: Documentation is a game.

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22:12 <shevy> no

22:13 <jhass> jsilver_: the bot is for demonstration purposes only, please stop it

22:13 <shevy> a game needs to give people a reason to play it

22:13 <jsilver_> ok sry

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22:13 <pipework> shevy: Documentation is its own reward.

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22:14 <shevy> no, there must be like an enemy

22:14 <shevy> the great evil

22:14 <shevy> and you defeat him

22:14 <shevy> with MacGuyver tools

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22:14 <shevy> perhaps a laser weapon

22:15 <shevy> but it malfunctions too often

22:15 <existensil> haha. all my favorite games don't fit into that mold, even before it went off the rails

22:15 <existensil> "there must be an enemy"

22:15 <pipework> shevy: The lack of documentation is the enemy.

22:16 <Sc0rp10n> can anyone tell me why I can't access the #RubyonRails channel?

22:16 <pipework> Documentation is the protagonist, the quest, the damsel in distress, and the reward.

22:16 <pipework> Sc0rp10n: Are you banned or not authed to nickserv?

22:16 <existensil> in minecraft, the lack of there being a 1:1 recreation of Enterprise D was the enemy

22:16 <Sc0rp10n> how do I find out?

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22:18 <jhass> Sc0rp10n: are you registered and identified with NickServ?

22:18 <Sc0rp10n> yea

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22:19 <jhass> so what does "can't access" mean?

22:19 <Sc0rp10n> ok I'm in guys

22:19 <Sc0rp10n> I tried to join it again and it worked now

22:19 <Sc0rp10n> thanks

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22:20 <shevy> pipework no, people wanna destroy something in a game

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22:21 <pipework> shevy: I'm not sure you're the kind of audience I design for.

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22:23 <shevy> pipework I would only play interesting games anyway

22:24 <pipework> shevy: I'm sure.

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22:24 <shevy> probably noone will see the game

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22:26 <mrsolo> hmm so why do this for dir glob ./spec{,/*/**}/*_spec.rb

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22:26 <mrsolo> isn't {,/**} sufficient?

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22:28 <pipework> mrsolo: Can't you investigate the difference yourself?

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22:28 <jhass> doesn't ** include the dir itself? so that would add spec twice, wouldn't it?

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22:29 <mrsolo> pipework, did..not a glue

22:29 <pipework> shevy: You're a shining example of reasonable expectations.

22:29 <mrsolo> since /** superceed /*

22:29 <shevy> pipework and you dont help mrsolo :(

22:29 <pipework> shevy: Have you considered being an inspirational speaker?

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22:29 <shevy> mrsolo btw you should use accurate words. when you mean "dir glob", you actually meant "Dir.glob" right?

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22:30 <mrsolo> right

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22:30 <shevy> mrsolo if so, the crappy documentation at http://ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/Dir.html#method-c-glob provides a first step towards it

22:30 <shevy> not sure I ever used {}

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22:30 <shevy> {p,q} Matches either literal p or literal q.

22:30 <mrsolo> question isn't {}

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22:30 <shevy> well actually

22:30 <mrsolo> question is why anybody want to do */**

22:30 <shevy> what is your aim

22:31 <shevy> no, ** is awesome

22:31 <shevy> you get everything down deep

22:31 <mrsolo> there isn't i am reading through other people's code

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22:31 <shevy> Dir['**/**/]

22:31 <ddd> * means this current level's dirs, /** means each additional level

22:31 <shevy> forgot a '

22:31 <ddd> like */*/* etc

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22:32 <shevy> :)

22:32 <mrsolo> ah

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22:46 <shevy> hmmm

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22:46 <shevy> is it possible to use rack alone similar in style to .cgi and use a <form> entry to populate a postgresql database through that?

22:47 <jeffrin> hello all

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22:47 <jeffrin> i have installed ruby on rails related

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22:48 <jhass> shevy: yes and no, you'll still have to run an application server. Well, I think I've seen a cgi and probably also a fcgi adapter for rack somewhere, but I'm not sure if anybody actually uses that

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22:48 <jeffrin> is there file similar to index.php in ruby ?

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22:49 <pipework> jeffrin: #rubyonrails

22:49 <jhass> jeffrin: no, you boot a rails application and runs as an own process. Start with http://guides.rubyonrails.org and proceed in #rubyonrails ;)

22:49 <shevy> jhass hmm I see

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22:49 <shevy> the IT guy gave me puma + rack

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22:50 <pipework> shevy: Nice guy.

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22:50 <shevy> hmm

22:50 <shevy> pipework now I have to read documentation because of him :(

22:50 <pipework> no you don't

22:50 <pipework> just do what you always do, brogram!

22:51 <shevy> no, the info must come from somewhere first

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22:51 <jhass> and don't write any documentation, that's pipeworks job

22:51 <shevy> I don't trust him to do his job jhass

22:51 <jeffrin> anyway thanks pipework and jhass

22:51 <jhass> good thing that's not important for anyones job

22:51 <shevy> the odd thing is... the IT guy also gave me ruby 1.8.7, but when I search, apt-get suggests both ruby 1.8.7 and 1.9.3

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22:52 <shevy> perhaps I could sneakily replace 1.8.7 with 1.9.3 without anyone noticing

22:52 <jhass> well, that's odd indeed. I guess he's back to 0 on the karma score

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22:52 <shevy> yeah, he is a python guy :(

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22:52 <shevy> never let IT staff use languages you don't

22:52 <shevy> OR

22:52 <jeffrin> is it possible to create web pages without rails ?

22:52 <shevy> perhaps I should have learned python...

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22:53 <jhass> jeffrin: sure, there are many alternatives, most popular is probably sinatra

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22:53 <shevy> jeffrin you can use good old .cgi too!

22:53 <jhass> no you can't, just ignore shevy

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22:55 <shevy> it's beautiful

22:55 <shevy> it's simple

22:55 <shevy> you just dump the content to the visitor

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22:56 <Rixius> shevy: Hrm? What's this beautiful simple thing?

22:57 <jhass> it's also extremely wasteful

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22:58 <jhass> shevy: is your system on utf-8 already?

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23:01 <tafryn_> Is it possible to redefine a method from a gem without modifying the gem itself?

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23:01 <jhass> yes you can just overwrite it, but be warned, here be dragons

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23:02 <tafryn> Overwrite it by opening the class and using def to rewrite it?

23:02 <jhass> yes

23:03 <jhass> if you're on 2.1 also look if refinements could be something for you

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23:03 <tafryn> I tried that, and yet it still seems like the old definition is being executed.

23:03 <shevy> jhass at work? yeah

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23:03 <shevy> at home - never :)

23:03 <jhass> :(

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23:04 <jhass> you make said with all you CGIness and non-UTF-8-ness

23:04 <shevy> Rixius that you don't need to have any structure really, no need for "apps", no need for conforming to a certain world view. just autogenerate everything you want to display! just like php does it... but it is a melting bot of awful design

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23:04 <shevy> but there is nothing that UTF gives me that I need

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23:04 <shevy> cgi is indeed not sufficient

23:05 <Rixius> shevy: Hehe yeah it is.

23:05 <jhass> shevy: did you just take PHP as a positive example? :( you really make me said :(

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23:05 <shevy> jhass yeah, it is better than .cgi :)

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23:05 <shevy> of course the language is shit

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23:05 <shevy> but man, it has the right focus on the web. I dont like that people who get into ruby default to rails pretty much

23:06 <shevy> look at all those million of layers

23:06 <shevy> bundler!!!

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23:06 <jhass> did you understand what bundler does yet?

23:06 <shevy> it updates shit

23:06 <jhass> ok so you didn't

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23:07 <shevy> jhass it does not update stuff?

23:07 <shevy> it does not like download gems?

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23:07 <shevy> WOW my console lied to me!

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23:07 <jhass> it's not the main purpose, just a convenience feature of it

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23:07 <shevy> the most epic failure I had was when the rails tutorial told me to use bundler

23:08 <shevy> which I did. and it failed

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23:08 <pipework> jeffrin: You can create web pages with a text editor.

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23:12 <jeffrin> pipework : anyway thanks

23:12 <pipework> cheers

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23:13 <tafryn> jhass: Would you mind taking a look at this, http://pastebin.com/iAawHq4h, to see if you can tell what I'm doing wrong?

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23:18 <jhass> tafryn: these methods are defined as singleton methods: https://github.com/randym/axlsx/blob/master/lib/axlsx/workbook/worksheet/cell_serializer.rb#L5

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23:19 <tafryn> So I'm out of luck?

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23:19 <jhass> no, you need to overwrite the singleton methods. Currently you're defining new instance methods with the same name

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23:20 <tafryn> And I would do that by including a 'class << self' line where I'm rewriting them?

23:20 <jhass> you can just do class << Axlsx::CellSerializer or even just def Axlsx::CellSerializer.string_type_serialize

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23:20 <jhass> class Axlsx::CellSerializer; class << self; would work too, yes

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23:22 <jhass> since you're copying most of the logic I'd also recommend to alias_method the original version and call that in the else case instead of copying it's entire logic

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23:25 <benzrf> hey

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23:25 <benzrf> how can i set DRb to not return unmarshallable objects

23:25 <jhass> tafryn: a few style notes if you don't mind: The most common indentation style in the ruby community is two spaces, we rarely use for, but instead things like 5.times or in your case 1.upto(5) do |i|, finally the return keyword is only used when returning early from the method

23:25 <benzrf> instead of sending proxies?

23:26 <benzrf> basically i want people to only be able to access the front obj

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23:27 <tafryn> jhass: Trying def Axlsx::CellSerializer.string_type_serialization gives me a syntax error about an unexpected '.'.

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23:27 <tafryn> jhass: Also, thanks for the style tips. I prefer 4 for my own work, but when I get ready to submit a patch I'll correct it to 2.

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23:30 <jhass> tafryn: hm interesting, I'd go so far to call that a bug in ruby, since something like CellSerializer = Axlsx::CellSerializer; def CellSerializer.foo does work. In the meantime just one of the alternatives like class << Axlsx::CellSerializer

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23:30 <jhass> *just use

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23:32 <jhass> tafryn: oh and one more: parens in method definitions are usually omitted if the method has no arguments (like in your main method)

23:32 <blahblah> hi

23:32 <tafryn> I actually tried def Module::Class.method before querying the channel, but thought I must have bungled it somehow. Nice to know I didn't.

23:33 <tafryn> jhass: That one I knew. Force of habit I guess.

23:33 <tafryn> jhass: Thanks for the help.

23:33 <jhass> yw

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23:33 <apeiros> def Foo::Bar.baz does not work because def Foo::Bar is the same as def Foo.Bar

23:34 <apeiros> @ jhass and tafryn

23:34 <apeiros> def (Foo::Bar).baz works, as it'll resolve the object first

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23:34 <apeiros> yet another reason :: for method invocation should be abolished, IMO.

23:34 <toretore> can you `def Foo::Bar`?

23:34 <apeiros> yes

23:34 <toretore> i thought it was only at lookup

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23:35 <apeiros> >> "hi"::upcase

23:35 <eval-in___> apeiros => "HI" (https://eval.in/105272)

23:35 <jhass> oh sad. yeah I totally agree, we should get rid of :: for method access

23:35 <apeiros> >> x = 1; def x::blupp; "nope!"; end; x::blupp

23:35 <eval-in___> apeiros => can't define singleton (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/105273)

23:35 <toretore> >> class Foo;end; def Foo::Bar; 'hello'; end; Foo::Bar

23:35 <eval-in___> toretore => uninitialized constant Foo::Bar (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/105274)

23:35 <jhass> apeiros: is there already a ticket for that?

23:35 <toretore> >> class Foo;end; def Foo::Bar; 'hello'; end; Foo::Bar()

23:35 <eval-in___> toretore => "hello" (https://eval.in/105275)

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23:35 <apeiros> oh, shouldn't have used a fixnum

23:35 <apeiros> >> x = "1"; def x::blupp; "nope!"; end; x::blupp

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23:35 <eval-in___> apeiros => "nope!" (https://eval.in/105276)

23:36 <apeiros> toretore: Foo::Bar type invocation requires explicit parens or an argument

23:36 <toretore> i've never in my life used :: for method invocation

23:36 <apeiros> otherwise ruby couldn't distinguish Array and Array()

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23:36 <apeiros> toretore: better if you keep it that way :)

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23:36 <toretore> does it distinguish between Foo::Bar and Foo::bar in that regard?

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23:36 <apeiros> yes

23:37 <apeiros> Foo::bar can't be a constant

23:37 <toretore> makes sens, kinda

23:37 <apeiros> so it's not ambiguous

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23:37 <toretore> but the whole :: for methods doesn't really

23:37 <apeiros> legacy

23:37 <toretore> yeah, i remember seeing people use it like 10 years ago

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23:37 <toretore> i didn't like it then either

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23:54 <benzrf> is there some kind of socket-like lib that:

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23:55 <benzrf> 1. lets you send objects [i.e. automarshalling]

23:55 <benzrf> 2. uses events

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23:55 <benzrf> and/or callbacks

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23:58 <toretore> benzrf: for use with eventmachine?

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23:59 <benzrf> ohcibi:

23:59 <benzrf> *oh

23:59 <benzrf> does em do that?

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23:59 <toretore> i don't know, i asked because you wrote "uses events"

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