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<viki> BackEndCoder: aw, oh well. no sense being positive, i'd rather be accurate.
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<agent_white> viki: If it involves code and the writing of it, I believe it's coding! :)
<BackEndCoder> unless i write it
<BackEndCoder> then its not code, its rubbish
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<havenwood> if you're writing code you're coding ;P
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<havenwood> when your code is coding, you're metacoding
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<havenwood> when your code's code is coding, you have grandmetacoding children
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<viki> XD
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<RubyPanther> or, your virus is metacoding
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<viki> variables like @variable are instance variables, right?
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<viki> if i have instance variables in one class, i can't call them from a method in another class, right?
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<Lewix> >> Class.ancestors
<eval-in> Lewix => [Class, Module, Object, Kernel, BasicObject] (https://eval.in/97411)
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<viki> havenwood: i'll learn a bit more about modules soon, looks like it's a few lessons away in rubymonk.
<viki> havenwood: ok yeah, i haven't even gotten to class in rubymonk either. that's even farther away. no wonder i'm getting confused.
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<Lewix> or a Struct might be even better
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<havenwood> viki: And since they are simpler, I'd say maybe learn modules first? Once you get a grasp of modules then learning classes is mostly just figuring out #new, #initialize, and the attr_'s (which are just sugar to help you make quick getter and setter methods for instance variables).
<havenwood> viki: Yeah, Classes are reaaaally confusing if you don't understand Modules!
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<havenwood> viki: A lot of gems are just a Module. Not everything needs to be a full on Class.
<Lewix> never mind what i said,I wasn't following =)
<Lewix> eval-in: two years later
<Lewix> viki: they are even more confusing when you understand Modules
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<viki> I think the exercises i've been doing use classes because they are using real-life objects as examples, like candies and cards and things.
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<havenwood> viki: I guess the best order to learn is debatable!
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<viki> Ok well i'll switch back to rubymonk for a bit. I'm actually stuck on one of the exercises there anyway, maybe you'd be able to help? The tests are IN rubymonk, though, I don't have the test code or anything.
<Lewix> viki: now that I know who you are, I'm on a mission to help you
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<mjc_> lol
<mjc_> I think learning modules first would be confusing
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<mjc_> easier to think of classes as a class of thing and objects as instances of that thing and work from there
<havenwood> mjc_: hmm, seems like less baggage to me (if you don't have a background in an OO lang)
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<Lewix> viki: Are you a reader?
<havenwood> mjc_: just being a thing you put your methods in
<mjc_> havenwood: most of the tutorials teach OO-first
<havenwood> mjc_: agreed
<mjc_> they don't teach procedural at all
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<mjc_> and I think that is a better approach
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<mjc_> procedural languages hurt me a lot, took me 5 years to really get OO right
<mjc_> because of them
<havenwood> Modules and Mixins are lovely though. And I think you end up with over-use of Classes that way where they don't make sence.
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<havenwood> mjc_: Now you need to spend another 5 years to switch to a functional paradigm. :P
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<mjc_> functional isn't hard for me
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<mjc_> already doing some erlang
<havenwood> the Modules and Mixins!
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<artm> I have a number of automation tasks that I normally run from shell, but would like to provide to my less shell-friendly colleagues to start and monitor via a simple web interface. Are there some tools that I could use to make this possible? I can't seem to come up with a useful search words
<pallavi_> How to sort time_ago_in_words(participant.created_at)
<pallavi_> Im using DataTables
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<artm> first sort on dates, and only then call time_ago_in_words ?
<RSTJNII> artm: So something like Rake?
<pallavi_> my "td" has time_ago_in_words as content
<RSTJNII> Sorry, re-read and see web-interface
<pallavi_> artm: I want to sort 11 months ago , about 1 month ago
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<artm> RSTJNII, it is all rake and capistrano for me, but my colleagues aren't using the shell much, I want them just to click some button so one of my tasks get run somewhere on a server and they can watch its stdout
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<artm> s/much/at all/
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<RSTJNII> artm: Honestly, this sounds like a job for a little PHP script...
<RSTJNII> Or a CGI script.
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<apeiros> lessless_: use an array
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<dwarder> if i have 1.8 ruby gems installed , do i need to remove it if i want to install 1.8 version?
<dwarder> ubuntu
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<AlexRussia> why my code: <a href='/stream/<%=n-1%>'> <<Back | </a> make link with name '<' ?
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<lll> hello all
<lll> what is :: in ruby?
<apeiros> AlexRussia: because you didn't escape '<'
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<apeiros> AlexRussia: < is &lt;
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<AlexRussia> apeiros: o, thx
<apeiros> lll: in Foo::Bar it's the separator between namespaces
<AlexRussia> apeiros: i try used helper, included in Rack
<apeiros> lll: it can also be used as an alternative to . to invoke methods. don't do that, though.
<AlexRussia> apeiros: i fix it, but okay, i try &lt
<lll> apeiros: I see
<lll> so System::Security in ruby == System.Security in C#
<lll> correct?
<AlexRussia> apeiros: what escape for > ?
<pontiki> lll you're asking ruby people to interpret C#?
<AlexRussia> pontiki: lol
<lll> hahaha
<lll> fair enough :D
<lll> k thx for yer help mate
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<apeiros> AlexRussia: if you have a helper, sure, use that
<apeiros> I don't know C#
<apeiros> AlexRussia: I'm not your html entity dictionary.
<AlexRussia> apeiros: okay
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<dwarder> i have installed a gem, i want to modify it and test
<dwarder> what is ther right procedure to do this/
<dwarder> ?
<pontiki> you want to modify the gem and test your changes to it?
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<pontiki> if you go to where the gem souce is kept, typically github these days, often there is a section on how to contribute
<dwarder> pontiki: i did gem install my_package
<pontiki> the typical procedure is fork your own copy, make a branch for your changes, test it, and then issue a pull request against the original
<dwarder> pontiki: and i have a command that is provided by this package
<dwarder> pontiki: i want to test it real time
<dwarder> pontiki: i.e. modify the source code and then running the command
<pontiki> you made changes to the command?
<pontiki> did you bother read what i just wrote?
<dwarder> pontiki: not yet
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<Hanmac> workmad3: you read books from TerryPratchett right?
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<pontiki> i'm off, this is madness
<workmad3> Hanmac: yeah
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<workmad3> Hanmac: :D
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<dwarder> is it ok to modify an installed game, if i just figuring out how it works
<dwarder> will it work ok
<Pixels> what is the game written in
<Hanmac> asm ? ;D
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<dwarder> ohh :)
<dwarder> gem
<dwarder> *
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<dwarder> :)
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<TMM> could someone tell me if/how it is possible to add something to the rack 'env' variable from config.ru? I thought it was just all of ENV but that doesn't appear to show up in the running app
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<apeiros> TMM: add a middleware
<apeiros> run proc { |env| env["addedkey"] = addedvalue; app.call(env) }
<TMM> apeiros, oh, of course... I'm actually trying to mock a middleware... *doh* Thank you so much
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<torstein> is it possible to "enforce" encapsulation in ruby? as in, can I make it impossible to call certain functions on ActiveRecord?
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<Hanmac> torstein: activeshit can be better discussed on #rubyonrails
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<waxjar> ruby has undef_method, but of course almost nothing in ruby is 100% "impossible" :p
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<Hanmac> waxjar: what can be done: remove the method with undef_method, freeze the class itself with #freeze , and then prevent ruby from requireing the evil script that can unfreeze
<Hanmac> :P
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<torstein> hmm.. thats actually kind of interesting
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<torstein> and slightly crazy
<waxjar> hanmac: i bet you can get around that with a BEGIN {} block or whatever :p
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<hendricius> ruby question: Encoding::UndefinedConversionError: "\xD6" from ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8
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<hendricius> i get this when writing a xml file
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<apeiros> hendricius: the binary value "\xD6" has no defined character, thus it can't be converted to utf-8
<hendricius> got it, just a missing "b" in the file write
<apeiros> what behavior do you expect?
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<zorlin> Hey there
<zorlin> trying to learn Ruby... I'm wondering if I'm understanding a concept correctly
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<zorlin> http://ruby.learncodethehardway.org/book/ex6.html - extra credit 04: I don't 100% understand
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<zorlin> "Explain why adding the two strings w and e with + makes a longer string." - I'm tempted to say "because the language creators said it ought to"
<zorlin> does that make me stupid and wrong? :/
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<tobiasvl> i agree, that's a strange question. i don't really understand it either
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<tobiasvl> why it makes a longer string than what?
<tobiasvl> maybe just explain what + is in this context
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: a longer string than the individual parts of it
<apeiros> zorlin: I'd understand it "because concatenating two strings results in a string with the size being the sum of the sizes of the concatenated strings"
<apeiros> or similar
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<apeiros> *I'd understand it as
<zorlin> apeiros: I wrote this
<zorlin> # EC04: It concatenates two strings, effectively combining them into a single string. #
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<zorlin> just trying to fact check my stuff before I move onto the next lesson
<tobiasvl> yeah. "a longer string" here is actually the new string
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<tobiasvl> you call String#+ which returns a new string which is the result of the two concatenated string, so "a longer string" (it doesn't just output the two strings individually"'
<tobiasvl> )
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<tobiasvl> is probably a good insight to have
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: thanks
<zorlin> I think I'm feeling a little clearer on all this :)
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<zorlin> I wish there was an IRC tipper bot for bitcoin/dogecoin etc
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<tobiasvl> haha
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: I don't suppose you already use Dogecoin :P
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<tobiasvl> i do, but i'm not sure i will accept a tip for this marvellous part of an answer
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<tobiasvl> but i like the idea in general!
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: okay :)
<zorlin> thanks, more studying to do xD
<zorlin> learning this stuff on your own is a change of pace
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<zorlin> always hated taking classes for programming :/
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<avril14th> Hello
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<tobiasvl> (i got interested)
<zorlin> tobiasvl: :)
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<zorlin> I just deposited into Dogetipbot actually
<tobiasvl> oh really
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<tobiasvl> should have an IRC interface
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<tobiasvl> but i guess bitlbee could do that part
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: ?
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: do you have a reddit user?
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<tobiasvl> zorlin: yes, tobiasvl
<tobiasvl> i'm fairly new
<tobiasvl> no karma :(
<zorlin> :)
<zorlin> just checking it's you
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<Karkizz> Can't decide whether I should start coding Python or Ruby
<Karkizz> Which is easier to get a fast understanding of when just starting out?
<tobiasvl> doesn't really matter
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<tobiasvl> Karkizz: depends what you think is easy to understand
<tobiasvl> are you completely new to programming?
<Karkizz> yeah
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<Karkizz> I have a C++ class but I know nothing about it
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<Karkizz> About the language I mean
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<apeiros> Karkizz: toss a coin
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<Karkizz> I'm looking into picking up two languages, like C++ and Ruby or Python
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<Guest33074> ok back to basic, anyone can ttell me why this call fails: https://gist.github.com/muichkine/e7fe584aac840e1571fd
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<Guest33074> Karkizz: both languages are easy to use to do easy stuffs. Difference comes in tricky stuffs
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<tobiasvl> Karkizz: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PythonVsRuby maybe
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<apeiros> Guest33074: probably because you have conflicting definitions
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<Guest33074> apeiros: I don't understand
<apeiros> Guest33074: because the lines you pasted work flawlessly…
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<Guest33074> apeiros: just what I think, yet they don't
<Guest33074> turning nuts here
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<apeiros> Guest33074: you are not calling the method whose definition you show.
<apeiros> Guest33074: also get a nick
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<apeiros> Guest33074: before your call to it, method(:has_many).source_location
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<apeiros> (need to print it too, somehow)
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<Guest33074> I use mongoid: "/home/avril14th/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.0/bundler/gems/mongoid-5b0f031992cb/lib/mongoid/relations/macros.rb"
<apeiros> e.g. `p method(:has_many).source_location`
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<avril14th_> and the definition in mongoid looks just like I pasted
* avril14th_ double checks
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<avril14th_> yep they do!
<avril14th_> I don't get it
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<zorlin> tobiasvl: can you make a comment somewhere
<zorlin> I can't figure out how to tip "privately"
<zorlin> preferably in a Ruby or Dogecoin subreddit :P
<apeiros> and you are printing the source location right before calling it?
<apeiros> and the backtrace really says it's there and not somewhere else?
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<avril14th_> yes
<avril14th_> but I found the error
<avril14th_> actually
<avril14th_> when the mongoid gem calls my block
<avril14th_> it passes parameters
<avril14th_> which should be used
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<avril14th_> let me update my gist
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<snkcld> if i want my framework to be able to have symbols passed in to its functions, instead of strings, does that mean that im going to need to have a lot of .to_s's in my framework logic?
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<apeiros> snkcld: I'd not do that
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<apeiros> snkcld: if what your method needs is a string, let the user convert whatever he has to a string.
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<snkcld> ahhh, ok thats exactly where i was going
* apeiros off for commute
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<jlebrech> hi, does anyone know how to use rails_admin?
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<snkcld> if i have a key in a string, and a value in a string, how do i turn that into a hash in one line?
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<waxjar> snkcld: do you have an example of such a String?
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<snkcld> key = "key_i_want"; {key: "blah"}
<snkcld> but what i want is, {"key_i_want": "blah"}
<waxjar> { key: "blah" } is short for { :key => "blah" }, it always uses a Symbol as the key
<waxjar> { "key_i_want" => "blah" } is what you want i think
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<snkcld> waxjar: it is, yes
<avril14th_> snkcld: either as waxjar proposed, or Hash.new("key_i_want" => "blah")
<snkcld> but how would i create that if "key_i_want" is in a variabie, foo?
<avril14th_> snkcld: same
<snkcld> oh, so Hash.new(foo => blah) ?
<waxjar> { your_variable => "value" }
<Hanmac> avril14th_: you are wrong
<terrellt> Oh snap.
<avril14th_> ?
<waxjar> avril14th_: what you're doing there is passing a Hash to Hash.new :p
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<avril14th_> true :)
<Hanmac> avril14th_: look at this and then tell me why:
<Hanmac> >> Hash.new("key_i_want" => "blah") == { "key_i_want" => "blah" }
<eval-in> Hanmac => false (https://eval.in/97558)
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<snkcld> well, im specifically wanting to create that hash, but the "key_i_want" is a string inside a variable
<avril14th_> yes so h = Hash.new; h[key] = val;
<snkcld> ah rats.
<snkcld> thats what i figured
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<Hanmac> or {key => val}
<snkcld> Hanmac: {key => val} will use the string inside key as the key, then?
<avril14th_> a = 'key', b = 'val'; {a => b}
<terrellt> snkcld: That's fine, dude.
<avril14th_> >> a = 'key', b = 'val'; {a => b}
<eval-in> avril14th_ => {["key", "val"]=>"val"} (https://eval.in/97559)
<snkcld> avril14th_: perfect!
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<terrellt> >> a = "blah"; {a => "yo"}
<eval-in> terrellt => {"blah"=>"yo"} (https://eval.in/97560)
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<snkcld> awesome. i was worried that it would use 'a' as a symbol or something
<Hanmac> avril14th_: see this and understand what you did wrong
<Hanmac> >> a = 'key'; b = 'val'; {a => b}
<eval-in> Hanmac => {"key"=>"val"} (https://eval.in/97562)
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<Hanmac> >> a,b = 'key', 'val'; {a => b}
<eval-in> Hanmac => {"key"=>"val"} (https://eval.in/97563)
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<waxjar> snkcld: Symbols are only created if you use this syntax: { symbol_name: "value" }
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<terrellt> waxjar: Uhm.
<terrellt> >> {:bla => "yo"}
<eval-in> terrellt => {:bla=>"yo"} (https://eval.in/97567)
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<terrellt> That's just a shortcut, bud, there were symbol keys before 1.9 syntax.
<avril14th_> Hanmac: - j + ;
<avril14th_> Hanmac: - , + ;
<waxjar> terrellt: read up ;)
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<terrellt> Apologies.
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<avril14th_> same
<avril14th_> :)
<avril14th_> what a mess for a Hash creation
<tos9> Hey. What is the typical way to create a shell alias / some other form of telling rvm to always use the `foo` bin from a given gemset?
* avril14th_ autoslaps
<tos9> (i.e. without needing to activate it)
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<lpvn> tos9: do you mean a specific gem version?
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<tos9> lpvn: No, although I guess that's sort of the same -- I just mean that I want `knife` to correspond to the `knife` installed in my `chef-and-stuff` gemset without needing to activate it first
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<lpvn> put 'rvm ruby-2.1.0@yourgemset' in your .rvmrc, is it that?
<tos9> (and just running ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2@chef-and-stuff/bin/knife seems to complain, which sounds like probably rvm is moving things around to get it to work, which I guess I want to replicate without needing to muck with global state)
<tos9> lpvn: that would activate that gemset by default right?
<tos9> I want to not activate that gemset so that I can use whatever gemset I want if I need to do some development, but always be able to use knife
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<lpvn> yes
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<lpvn> isn't it easy to create a gemset with all gems you need instead of pulling gems from different gemsets?
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<lpvn> easier
<tos9_> lpvn: Well, chef isn't a dep of any project I'm working on, it's a deployment tool I just always want to work
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<tos9_> (besides the fact that it has its own pinned versions of stuff and a whole lot of deps)
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<Morrolan> Huh. SASL module prevented it from connecting. :/
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<havenwood> Morrolan: I'm having same issue.
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<BackEndCoder> yo
<BackEndCoder> i'm getting confused in what server to use
<BackEndCoder> i'm new to ruby
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<BackEndCoder> nginx was going to be my choice, but not if i have to mod the one i have and install it in /opt
<BackEndCoder> i can stick anything behind pound
<BackEndCoder> so is there another one that works without having to change my huighly configured orignal nginx config
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<Morrolan> Oh, hrm, services are down, maybe the IRCd dropped connection when it authenticate me.
<Morrolan> Let's blame services, then. :D
<havenwood> BackEndCoder: Nginx or Apache are both fine as a reverse proxy in front of your Rack server of choice.
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<BackEndCoder> i not sure what there is to choose atm
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<havenwood> BackEndCoder: Unicorn, Thin, Puma, Passenger, Webrick, or Reel-Rack
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<BackEndCoder> o, ic so passenger is a server
<havenwood> oh, or Rainbows!
<BackEndCoder> i thought it acted like php-fpm
<BackEndCoder> i will continue to google thanks
<terrellt> It's a server that integrates with apache/nginx.
<havenwood> BackEndCoder: Passenger either has a standalone version or you can install it as an Apache or Nginx module.
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<BackEndCoder> yeah its the installing of the module on nginx thats not quite right
<havenwood> BackEndCoder: Unicorn with Nginx is nice. Or skip Nginx and just serve up Rainbows! on port 80. :O
<BackEndCoder> all the tuts ive seen tell me to uninstall the nginx-full i have and install the modded version
<BackEndCoder> and i can't really do that
<terrellt> Then use a standalone that you reverse proxy to.
<BackEndCoder> i've check out the ones you mentioned thanks
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<BackEndCoder> *i'll
<terrellt> Like havenwood said, unless you need long-running requests unicorn is great.
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<Karkizz> Just installed Python, what now?
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<havenwood> Karkizz: Uninstall Python and install Ruby. You're on the path...
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<lpvn> tos9_, Gems you install to the @global gemset for a given ruby are available to all other gemsets you create in association with that ruby
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<BackEndCoder> so, terminology .. and stuff
<mjc_> havenwood: haha
<BackEndCoder> rack is like lamp ?
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<Karkizz> wat.jpg
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<mjc_> BackEndCoder: no
<BackEndCoder> so i'm googling for standalone ruby server i guess
<mjc_> closest thing I can think of is WSGI
<Karkizz> dang it, guys. Ruby is web oriented
<mjc_> rack is a way of layering different bits that speak http
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<seacreat1re> Just a quick note for those who haven't seen it elsewhere. I'm gradually transitioning my Ruby journal (Practicing Ruby) to open-access, and there are close to 70 articles you can already read without signing up: https://practicingruby.com/
<mjc_> so your app doesn't have to handle the intricacies of say parsing HTML headers, dealing with content types directly, etc
<seacreat1re> I welcome feedback from anyone, and hope you enjoy the articles :-)
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<Karkizz> ]
<Karkizz> ]
<mjc_> BackEndCoder: you still want to have a full web server in front of your app, though
<Karkizz> sorry, was cleaning my keyboard, found something white on my keys
<mjc_> for serving static files at the very least
<havenwood> BackEndCoder: Rack wraps HTTP requests/responses and gives a nice API for DSLs/Frameworks.
<havenwood> BackEndCoder: Reverse Proxy (Nginx Apache)-> Rack Webserver (Unicorn Rainbows!, Thin Puma Passenger Webrick Reel-Rack)-> Rack (Rack Middlewear)-> Rack Framework (Rails Sinatra NYNY Camping Scorched)
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<havenwood> seacreature: Thanks!! Looks like some great issues! ;)
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<mjc_> havenwood: reel is neat, thanks for pointing that out
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<Karkizz> Guys, need a good themeable IDE for python
<BackEndCoder> thanks havenwood i think i follow now :P
<BackEndCoder> found a few pictures :)
<mjc_> Karkizz: why are you asking here? this is #ruby
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<havenwood> Karkizz: Since Python 3 flopped, we renamed Python to Ruby. In Ruby we typically don't use an IDE, but instead use the command line with a REPL and text editor.
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<havenwood> Oops, he's gone. :P
<mjc_> heh
* terrellt still loves IDEs, forgot all y'all.
<havenwood> terrellt: RubyMine?
<terrellt> Forget, not forgot.
<mjc_> lighttable looks neat, I need to start checking it out
<terrellt> havenwood: Now, yeah.
<havenwood> Seems to be the best of the bunch.
<terrellt> Used to use Aptana Studio in eclipse, but the configuration got to be a headache. If the employer's willing to buy rubymine, meh.
<terrellt> Alright, sidetiq is awesome.
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<olivier_bK> hy all
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<drasch> in case you caught my comments earlier asking for help w/ Ruby segfaults...here's the bug report: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/9473
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<Hanmac> drasch: smells after a thirdparty error ... try #rubyonrails
<EminenceHC> I have this very simple ruby file that runs a daemon: https://gist.github.com/EminenceHC/8787960 I start the daemon with the command "ruby notify_control.rb start" but how can I make this restart itself automatically if it is stopped?
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<havenwood> EminenceHC: God or Bluepill, etc.
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<havenwood> EminenceHC: Both God and Bluepill both use Daemons.
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<EminenceHC> havenwood: Thanks
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<centrx_supreme> Quack quack
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<Hanmac> havenwood: http://xkcd.com/1323/
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<grumper> hi folks
<centrx_supreme> Ahoy
<grumper> what is the sqlalchemy equivalent in ruby? and is there an "industry leader" or there are several competing projects? (sqlalchemy seems to be a winner in python)
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<centrx_supreme> grumper, ActiveRecord/Rails is probably the most commonly used
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<centrx_supreme> grumper, (FYI: I think Pylons/Pyramid and Django are fairly common in Python usage as well)
<havenwood> Hanmac: heh
<Soulcutter> Sequel is good
<havenwood> +1 Sequel
<centrx_supreme> grumper, Sequel is another popular Ruby ORM
<havenwood> grumper: Ruby Object Mapper (ROM) is an up-and-comer that looks really neat but isn't ready for prime time yet: https://github.com/rom-rb/rom#readme
<havenwood> Or you can use Sequel without its ORM.
<amh345> hi guys, I'm having a bit of a time trying to encode a file as iso-8859-1 with Open3.popen3. i've created a gist. here. https://gist.github.com/mr-bios/74c36cb72e1c957a4ad9
<havenwood> I think I'd prefer if it didn't have the ORM bits. :P
<amh345> when i ran a test with File.open("some_file").... all i needed to do was File.open("some_file","w:iso-8859-1") to set the encoding properly. but i can't find any details anywhere for Open3.
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<havenwood> really digging axiom-memory-adapter, looking forward to more adapters
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<xybre> havenwood: +1
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<JBreit> I am working on learning Ruby/RoR and am curious if anyone knows what I can research in order to create an e-learning application. Examples of what I am thinking are sites like codeschool, codeacademy & teamtreehouse but I want to create something not code course based. I am not sure what I need to research in order to go through all of the learning management system stuff as well as the validation to make sure that the users entered in the correct data on chal
<JBreit> lenges and quizzes. Anyone have any thoughts on what I can google to get the right information? When I google this stuff I keep getting things on Adobe Captivate which is what I learned to use for this type of stuff in school but I am trying to figure out how to actually develop these types of applications myself in a more robust platform.
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<centrx_supreme> havenwood, The Ruby Object Mapper developers have made little progress
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<mjc_> JBreit: I think there is at least one app that already does that
<mjc_> in rails, which may be useful
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<mjc_> oh, maybe not
<mjc_> it's php
<mjc_> I wonder if that's a new thing
<mjc_> thought it used to be rails
<centrx_supreme> PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth.
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<JBreit> heh
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<mjc_> yes, it is
<grumper> centrx_supreme: AR seems rather limited from googling - for starters single-column keys on tables, or are the google hits outdated?
<JBreit> I am learning Rails on teamtreehouse, ruby-lang.org and etc
<JBreit> I like this stuff so far
<JBreit> easy to ready Ruby
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<JBreit> I figured if I could take the design stuff I studied in school and learn to make some kind of e-learning app in Ruby/Rails that I could learn a lot both front and back end
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<mjc_> ah here is one
<JBreit> I just need to think of something original for course stuff is all
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<centrx_supreme> grumper, ActiveRecord is very powerful. By default, the _primary_ key must be a single column. However, 1) This can be a surrogate key, so this does not limit your data in any way, and 2) There is a gem (plugin) for composite primary keys.
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<mjc_> you could look at how they structure stuff for inspiration
<JBreit> Ruby on Rails seems like it would be an excellent platform to create this kind of stuff on
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<mjc_> it is
<JBreit> and probably would be a great way to learn MVC without doing another Todo
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<amh345> does anyone have any ideas on how to set encoding on a file with Open3.popen3?
<centrx_supreme> JBreit, Yes, it is. And web applications are a good way of "distributing" software without the usual difficulties of running on different platforms and releasing updates
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<JBreit> I hate to ask this since books are Dinosaurs but after going through the learning Ruby the hard way literature, the manual and some other online references are there any books worth actually investing in to have on the shelf?
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<Guest20125> Dinosaurs are very good sometimes for help.
<Guest53972> If you're using RSpec, get the RSpec book. I very much liked it.
<Guest20125> Agreed
<Guest53972> Gah, where'd my nick go.
<JBreit> let me google RSpec
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<Guest20125> Guest53972: nickserv is being stupid
<JBreit> I got maybe 1-2 weeks exposure with Ruby so far
<Guest20125> I'm not allowed to get my nick back yet. -.-
<centrx_supreme> JBreit, The Pickaxe book is the one usually recommended: http://pragprog.com/book/ruby4/programming-ruby-1-9-2-0 / http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
<Morrolan> Yea, services were down when I connected. I assume it force-changed mine when they came back.
<mjc_> JBreit: rails4 in action is good, rspec book, well grounded rubyist second edition
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<mjc_> since you asked about rails
<JBreit> People keep telling me to dig into Python but where I live that isn't used much like Ruby on Rails
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<Guest20125> Morrolan: NickServ is ignoreing me.
<Guest20125> ignoring, even
<JBreit> it is all about PHP, .NET & RoR here
<Morrolan> Yea, it seems to be gone again.
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<Morrolan> Or veeery slow, anyway.
<mjc_> JBreit: also exercism and rubymonk are good, exercism in particular because you get feedback from other devs
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<Morrolan> JBreit: Great, at least you can take the Ruby route, then. :D
<centrx_supreme> Python as a language is a little daft compared to Ruby. It is not an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth like PHP, though.
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<RubyPanther> python and ruby are basically the same
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<Morrolan> Ruby strikes me as more expressive. Though I also like Python quite a bit.
<JBreit> Ruby was the first back-end language I was interested in learning after I saw a job posting for Jr. Devs in Ruby making $125k about 2 years ago when I first started studying Web Design & Interactive Media
<centrx_supreme> RubyPanther, Python syntax is backwards and verbose compared to Ruby.
<havenwood> centrx_supreme: You think ROM wont materialize? I was hoping it wouldn't be too much longer in the wings..
<bricker> is nickserv down or something?
<JBreit> though where it was located that $125k would be like making $40k where I currently live due to cost of living
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<havenwood> bricker: Being DDOSed.
<bricker> havenwood: ah
<Morrolan> bricker: Services are somewhat unreliabe, yea.
<Morrolan> unreliable, even.
<RubyPanther> modern high level OOP languages, in different flavors. I think python tastes nasty, but it is perfectly healthy to consume. And, you need to basics if you want to take most free online classes.
<centrx_supreme> havenwood, ROM was originally DataMapper 2. DataMapper 1 had its last release in 2011. They have been working on Datamapper 2/ROM ever since.
<bricker> I bet #rubyonrails is nice and quiet right now
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<RubyPanther> bricker: since the start of the superbowl yesterday it has been up and down
<JBreit> took me like 20 minutes to identify on the network earlier before getting disconnected
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<centrx_supreme> havenwood, There is a bug report on github for ROM which basically says "ROM does not work with databases" (only works with the in-memory database). It took three months to fix it, and it now only has read-only support. https://github.com/rom-rb/rom/issues/8
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<centrx_supreme> havenwood, So they are still on square one after 3 years.
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<havenwood> centrx_supreme: I don't think lack of SQL adapters means square one. Axiom looks great and is arguably the hard part?
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<RubyPanther> datamapper was used mostly by Merb, which merged with rails, and AR uses arel now so all the old AR-hate went away
<havenwood> Nooo, the AR-hate vigil must be maintained!
<RubyPanther> so is predictably moldy
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<RubyPanther> AR+odbc+gtk is the stack that saves me from windows and sql server programming
<Beoran> The new way forward will be ROM (Ruby object mapper)
<havenwood> Beoran: \o/
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<Beoran> I guess it will still be 1 year thouh till it stabilizes
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<Beoran> datamapper is nice though
<amh345> anyone? bueller? encoding a file as iso-8859-1 with Open3.popen3("gpg........") ?
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<RubyPanther> top search link for Ruby ROM "Pokemon Ruby ROM Download for Gameboy"
<centrx> Encoding a file with popen3 and gpg? sounds crazy
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<RubyPanther> Yet another piece of software with no non-generic part to its name. Failure predicted, even if it is double-awesome
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<RubyPanther> The best web framework I ever used was named "ServerSide"... don't lose your link, you can't search for it... fail
<havenwood> amh345: "meh".force_encoding('iso-8859-1').encoding #=> #<Encoding:ISO-8859-1>
<amh345> centrx: it has a charset of us-ascii. no matter what i do. the company importing this file needs it to be as a iso-8859 since it has a latin character in it. and it's killing me.
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<amh345> havenwood: but the file is still a us-ascii
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<havenwood> amh345: Ahh, in a subshell?
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<amh345> with file.open you can File.open("some_fiile.txt","w:iso-8859-1") and it sets the charset.
<Morrolan> RubyPanther: "Ruby Object Mapper", "ROM" is just an abbreviation 'cause everyone is lazy. ;D
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<Guest33330> Not that "Ruby Object Mapper" is any less generic, but the expression as a whole is something one can search for.
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<Guest33330> Argh.
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<BackEndCoder> looks like services are back
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<Guest33330> (again)
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<Beoran> I use more specal names like for my game "eruta"
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<RubyPanther> and for the relational algebra it uses "axiom" which is not going to be as good as arel, because arel is written by tenderlove. From the axiom readme: "The purpose of this project is to expand my knowledge of relational algebra by attempting to implement a simple query system using the primitive operations defined in relational algebra.
<RubyPanther> Most of the design is heavily inspired from koios and arel. The reason I decided to write my own and not just build on top of those systems was not so much because I don't like the code/API in those projects, it's more because I wanted to gain a depth of understanding that can only be earned by trying to solve the problem myself."
<amh345> havenwood: i suppose so. since it's using "gpg -- trust-model always..) i made a gist of it here. https://gist.github.com/mr-bios/74c36cb72e1c957a4ad9 i've been at this for hours.
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<amh345> it's destroying my soul.
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<RubyPanther> tenderlove already knew AST and the Visitor Pattern, so his 6 weeks produced a quality product
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<lagweezle_> There. At least that way I have some vague identity level.
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<Guest33330> Tenderlove is the guy who produces great software and horrible documentation, if I recall correctly?
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<RubyPanther> Oh, is there documentation? For Journey I resorted to his conference talk ;)
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<RubyPanther> if you want to know why arel is already awesome though, http://confreaks.com/videos/427-rubyconf2010-zomg-why-is-this-code-so-slow
<Beoran> "if it is not doucmented it does not exist"
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<RubyPanther> puts "exists" if Foo.methods.sort
<havenwood> RubyPanther: Watched that talk live. :)
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<havenwood> <3 Tenderlove
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<havenwood> <3 Gorby Puff Puff Thunderhorse
<RubyPanther> I'm not into spandex, but the dry parts do excite me <3 <3 <3
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<havenwood> Guest33330: I like that style of documentation (none). :P
<Guest33330> You also like writing your own C++ bindings to some GUI toolkit. That's sufficient to declare you insane. :P
<havenwood> Guest33330: Though I don't deny your accusation, I'm not Hanmac. :P
<mjc_> heh
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<Guest33330> Oh bleh, I blame your nicks looking similar. :D
<Guest33330> You're insane nevertheless!
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<havenwood> Guest33330: :P Yeah, Hanmac and I get crosstalk regularly, heh.
<Hanmac> lies! he cant be more insane than I ;P
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<havenwood> amh345: Look at fixing the encoding that you're shelling out code produces, outside of Ruby maybe?
<havenwood> your*
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<havenwood> amh345: You're creating the file outside of Ruby.
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<havenwood> amh345: Does it need to be portable, can you just set LANG* env vars?
<havenwood> amh345: Or change the encoding of the file after creating it. >.>
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<Hanmac> i will full document rwx ... after i am finish for changing the internal core system for the 5th or 6th time ... (its not 100% segfault-safe yet)
<havenwood> amh345: I guess you could export `locale` env vars?
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<havenwood> Hanmac: I look forward to the docs and the gem being cut to polish.
<havenwood> Hanmac: I cringe when asked about state of Ruby GUI bindings.
<havenwood> Hanmac: Save us!!!
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<amh345> havenwood: would that locale just be what the server is? probably ascii :/
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<amh345> wow, this is a big problem.
<havenwood> amh345: Try `locale` and look at the list of ENV vars currently set
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<amh345> locales are all only UTF-8
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<havenwood> amh345: So when you shell out to gpg, it uses UTF-8.
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<havenwood> amh345: From inside Ruby you can of course look at the env vars: ENV['LANG']
<havenwood> amh345: Or set them.
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<havenwood> amh345: A more elegant solution escapes me at the moment, I'll let ya know if coffee changes that! :P
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<amh345> yeah., i would appreciate it. i need a coffee too!
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<amh345> i just put a post on stack overflow. see what happens there :/
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<rubyracer> Has anyone made a form with a non active Record backed model. I am getting an error - Can't convert symbol into integer
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<yxhuvud> you definitely want AM:Naming as well. Possibly some other as well.
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<centrx_vice_pres> rubyracer, FYI, use two spaces for indentation, much easier to read :)
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<centrx_vice_pres> rubyracer, What line is this error on? Usually Can't convert Symbol into Integer means you are trying to access an array with a symbol instead of an array index
<yxhuvud> also, that form_for looks incorrect. urls are not added that way.
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<RubyPanther> two spaces isn't opinion, it is the official one right way
<havenwood> amh345: My vote at this point is let gpg create the file in UTF-8, then convert the encoding with File.open.
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<rubyracer> centrx_vice_pres: I used vim's gg=G for indentation
<havenwood> amh345: Better yet tell them to use UTF-8 like sane folks. :P
<RubyPanther> and those are horizontal tabs, which are explicitly not supposed to be used for Ruby indentation
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<rubyracer> centrx_vice_pres: It is actually a rails application. I posted in the ruby room by mistake. Now posted it in #RubyOnRails
<rubyracer> centrx_vice_pres: I am trying to create a form for a model which is not backed by ActiveRecord
<centrx_vice_pres> Question: Does // compile a Regexp?
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<havenwood> two-space soft tabs!
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<havenwood> centrx_vice_pres: // is a literal, like [], {}, ""
<amh345> havenwood: i know. it's crazy. i looked at the file in text mate.... vi .. nano.. and i can see the character perfectly! no problem. but their garbage they have must use something not as clean as though for an import. i bet it's windows.
<havenwood> centrx_vice_pres: Dunno whatcha mean by compile though?
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<havenwood> amh345: File.open +r it, read, #encode, and write it back with silly Windows encoding?
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<centrx_vice_pres> havenwood, Regexp.new/Regexp.compile builds the regular expression into a "compiled" form used by the Regex engine. It is a somewhat expensive process.
<havenwood> centrx_vice_pres: Regexp.new, just like Array.new, Hash.new, String.new
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<amh345> havenwood: I'm going to try it.
<centrx_vice_pres> Thanks
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<havenwood> Yeah, the regexps is constructed.
<amh345> (i hope it keeps the new charset when it's decrypted)
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<amh345> it must. since it's just a string.
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<amh345> ....i think
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<havenwood> amh345: Maybe take a look at rgpg, looks like he already thought about encoding with gpg wrapper gem: https://github.com/rcook/rgpg#readme
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<havenwood> amh345: or maybe not based on a closer look... >.> though most the gpg wrappers seem old, might be worth perusing gems? dunno.
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<apeiros> it's back! hurray
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<grimly> I am trying to use the following command ( alias subl="open -a 'Sublime Text 2'" ) the first time it works fine. But after relaunching the termainal, it does not work anymore?
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<grimly> Pleaseadvise
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<apeiros> why'd you do that? sublime comes with its own `subl` command which works fine…
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<phat4life> so, does ruby always pass by reference
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<philcrissman> phat4life: yes.
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<phat4life> bah, ruby is too high level
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<Karunamon> If I had a penny for every time the java dev who sits next to me has said those exact words...
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<Karunamon> Yes, you, java dev who is reading my screen, I'm talking about you
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<centrx_vice_pres> At least he is not a PHP dev
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<phat4life> i am more a c++ dev at heart
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<Karunamon> To be fair I am kind of a weird case, I learned ruby first
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<phat4life> way better to learn c or c++ imo
<Karunamon> then I go to some other languages and get annoyed by certain things not being there
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<phat4life> because pointers are important
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<phat4life> ruby also does such much in the background
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<phat4life> how are you supposed to learn the joys of segmentation faults by learning ruby
<centrx_vice_pres> Bah C++ is too high level
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<havenwood> phat4life: Yes, we should all use assembly language. Languages like C are way too high level, they'll never catch on.
<phat4life> i learned mips
<phat4life> that counts
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<eka> hi, is there any simple deploy tool for ruby, like to execute commands trhu ssh?
<vpretzel> capistrano?
<havenwood> eka: mina
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<havenwood> for vlad the deployer
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<havenwood> or*
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<phat4life> did the owner of capistrano jump ship
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<Karunamon> would capistrano be a good answer to Python's Fabric module?
<Karunamon> it seems to be a bit too centered around deploying rails apps
<havenwood> phat4life: nope, just released a new version i believe
<vpretzel> phat4life: last updated 6 days ago?
<eka> havenwood: thanks
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<vpretzel> Sorry forgot this was a ruby only room? I guess when I think of deploy i think of rails?
<eka> Karunamon: fabric is more something like I asked, execute ssh commands remotely.. capistrano is too much
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<havenwood> eka: Mina is neat if what you're wanting is a single ssh connection where you deploy your script. Capistrano (very popular) makes multiple ssh connections, as does Vlad.
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<platzhirsch> vpretzel: Yes? #RubyOnRails? I mean, deploy a Rails app or what?
<Karunamon> mm, I'm trying to wrangle something into controlling/deploying a Tomcat app
<havenwood> eka: There's always Puppet and Chef!
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<Karunamon> capistrano looks to be flexible enough but, eh
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<eka> havenwood: but capistrano deals with all that tag/branches thing I don't want to deal with
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<eka> havenwood: puppet and chef are provisioning tools! I want to do a git pull and restart some services that's all
<bricker> unless he changed his mind
<havenwood> eka: Give Mina a go then. Or write your own git hooks. :P
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<eka> havenwood: yes mina or vlad will do thanks
<phat4life> how may of you ruby devs have actually done dynamic programming in ruby
<havenwood> eka: .git/hooks/post-merge :O
<phat4life> by dynamic programming, i mean just optimized recursion
<bricker> all he's doing on capistrano now is merging in pull requests, maybe he's phasing himself out or something
<Karunamon> not even sure what that term mea- okay yeah no
<eka> havenwood: naa... prefer to launch manually
<havenwood> phat4life: Our programs write programs, then they have grandbaby programs. Little dearies.
<Karunamon> recursion makes my brain hurt more than it should
<eka> skynet all the way
<phat4life> it is the single most powerful programming concept
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<phat4life> yet, i rarely use it and it makes me sad
<eka> Karunamon: you should try Elixir then... all is recursion and pattern matching :P
<Karunamon> I just get lost trying to nest `for` loops
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<phat4life> eka: ocaml is good for that
<eka> nice concept though... have to wrap my head around
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<eka> phat4life: yeah... but that syntax
<phat4life> is quite amazing i know
<platzhirsch> What language should I use to implement a command line tool which manages books I have read and can serve them through HTTP
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<eka> platzhirsch: why not ruby?
<bricker> platzhirsch: ruby would be a decent choice
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<eka> why ppl ask what language in a ruby channel?
<eka> :P
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<havenwood> platzhirsch: Ruby.
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<platzhirsch> I heard that before
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<platzhirsch> in Ruby its too easy. Hanmac1 would suggest to do it in C++ Templates
<eka> platzhirsch: that question is better suited for r/programming
<eka> platzhirsch: then try to do it in brainfuck
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<platzhirsch> eka: Haha, yeah that would be fun. r/programming is a ghetto
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<Karunamon> Serve them through HTTP. Sounds like a job for Sinatra and some really simple active record stuff
<havenwood> platzhirsch: Haskell, Clojure or Chicken Scheme.
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<eka> Karunamon: sinatra is too much... maybe cuba
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<Karunamon> Is it still the go-to tool for quick web jobs?)
<platzhirsch> havenwood: sounds good
<platzhirsch> I have thought of Go
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<eka> platzhirsch: GoLang is the new boy in town though
<havenwood> meh, might as well C
<eka> or D
<platzhirsch> ouh, C is also nice
<Karunamon> Why not R?
<Guest6314> Hello, I don't understand why this code generates a "No super method" error. Isn't Code module a parent class of Child? https://gist.github.com/muichkine/2e8d7bb454aa0ee47ef8
<Hanmac1> platzhirsch: i use C++ templates hidden in C macros that makes methods for ruby ;P
<eka> can you do that in R?
<havenwood> platzhirsch: Chicken Scheme or Racket or Rust
<Karunamon> It's turing-complete, technically you should be able to
<Karunamon> but then so is INTERCAL...
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<platzhirsch> meh
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<platzhirsch> I really might do it in C. That will be nice pointer practice before I get raped in a Skype Interview
<havenwood> platzhirsch: In the C, Go family, i vote Rust.
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<havenwood> platzhirsch: http://www.rust-lang.org/
<Nilium> Guest6314: Well, for one, that's not how the Module#included method works..
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<platzhirsch> I should pick Go for some nasty concurrency problem. havenwood, Rust has a good concurrency model, too, hasn't it?
<Nilium> Rust is neat.
<avril14th_> Nilium: well, it's an ActiveRecord::Concern, let me read that doc again if I missed anything
<Karunamon> Ooh, actually that question reminds me.
<Nilium> I've been using Go lately, just because it seems to let me use the main thread more easily
<Karunamon> Best ruby IDE?
<eka> Karunamon: vim
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<havenwood> platzhirsch: "lightweight tasks with message passing, no shared memory"
<Nilium> avril14th_: So it replaced Module's included method?
<Nilium> That's.. kind of mildly horrifying.
<havenwood> Karunamon: RubyMine
<platzhirsch> but then again, what are hard concurrency problems. Not Dining Philosophers
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<Karunamon> Okay, so those answers haven't changed since the last time I asked that question :P
<Nilium> Karunamon: vim, TextMate, or Sublime Text.
<Nilium> Or emacs if you're one of those people.
<havenwood> Karunamon: Though most prefer vim, emacs, sublime, or textmate paired with the command line and a repl.
<Karunamon> Love Rubymine but there are some terrifically annoying bugs if you don't write your app exactly the way they think you are
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<eka> I can't go back to other IDEs after vim
<Nilium> What havenwood said.
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<platzhirsch> +1
<Nilium> I can, just not for Ruby.
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<eka> I do vim, tmux, tmuxinator
<eka> don't need to touch the mouse
<Nilium> IDEs imply some amount of slowness, even if they're faster than other IDEs.
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<platzhirsch> "Look ma, no hands"
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<Nilium> For example, using IntelliJ for Scala/Java is still much slower than using Sublime for editing, but it's a case where autocompletion makes up for the slowness
<Karunamon> How do you handle keeping track of what's in your databases when doing vim? Some awesome plugin?
<Nilium> Karunamon: Some other tool.
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<eka> Karunamon: DB console on the terminal
<Nilium> Vim's for coding, duh.
<Nilium> Why does everything have to be in the same program?
* Karunamon is obviously spoiled by GUIs
<art-solopov> Nilium: Unix is IDE, heh?
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<art-solopov> !pet Karunamon
<art-solopov> Karunamon: I was too.
<art-solopov> Still am, kinda. I use Kate.
<Nilium> art-solopov: Less that and more just sticking to vim ideology.
<Karunamon> Does vim have a thing that can give me in-line RI or function definitions/
<Nilium> i.e., Hey, you can ^Z out of this and do things, so stop trying to cram it into vim.
<Karunamon> *?
<art-solopov> Nilium: Is there smart vim autocomplete for Ruby?
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<Nilium> Do you need in-line RI or function definitions?
<Nilium> I just keep a Dash window open on my second screen
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<eka> there is everything... even smart plugin management via Vundle
<Nilium> Dunno, I don't use vim for Ruby.
<eka> and powerline
<eka> and nerd tree if you want
<eka> I use buffers
<platzhirsch> you have all the same green/blueish font. Pidgin really messed up
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<eka> no tree
<Nilium> Screw your Vundle, I use Pathogen.
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<eka> Nilium: I used pathogen
<eka> Nilium: try Vundle
<eka> has update clean install... much cleaner
<Karunamon> Eh, what's the benefit of switching?
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<Karunamon> Package into folder, it Just Works(C)
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<Nilium> Then again, everyone using Sublime says to use Package Control and I think that's stupid too.
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<Karunamon> see, sublime isn't vim-like enough even with the plugins
<Nilium> I'm not a very forward-thinking person when it comes to tools.
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<platzhirsch> Who uses Vundle anyway
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<Nilium> I don't care about vim-like-ness
<platzhirsch> Pathogen is the Final Solution
<Karunamon> I only do in that the key shortcuts need to do the same thing
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<Karunamon> i.e. if I can't type / and search or :%s and search/replace, it's really, really irritating
<Nilium> I use a few emacs key bindings in vim and whatnot.
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<Nilium> I don't care too much about editor purity or if one's like another as long as I can customize it to do what I want.
<Nilium> Sublime and vim both meet that requirement well enough
<art-solopov> Nilium: Sublime is not free though.
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<Nilium> art-solopov: I guess that's a concern for people who care.
<havenwood> all concerns are for people who care
<Nilium> I bought it and TextMate, so I'm fine.
<Nilium> Make a tool I use and I'll pay for it.
<havenwood> Nilium: I like TextMate2 ;)
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<bricker> "not free"
<evilbug> sublime's dope.
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<Nilium> I like TM2, but haven't used it much recently.
<evilbug> and hater's gonna hate, keep sippin that haterade.
<havenwood> art-solopov: TextMate2 is GNU license.
<Nilium> I did make a color scheme editor for TM themes since TM2 didn't have one last I saw though
<Karunamon> I haven't been able to pony up the cash for sublime
<havenwood> FREEDOM \o/
<Karunamon> but admittedly it is cool and runs on everything
<Karunamon> that price tag though X_x
<Nilium> Also because Sublime obviously doesn't have one
<havenwood> though an OS X project :P
<art-solopov> havenwood: But it's for Mac. =)
<evilbug> it's really not that expensive considering you can pretty much turn it into an ide.
<havenwood> art-solopov: yeah, hehe
<Karunamon> ^ but you can do that with vim too
<eka> my problem with sublime is the upgrade price... I own ST2, upgrade to 3 is too much
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<havenwood> art-solopov: portable, hopefully in the future
<Karunamon> Wait, they charge you to upgrade from 2 to 3?
<lpvn> you guys should listen to Obie Fernandez: 'Everyone knows that the best programmers use Vim and Emacs. Then come the TextMate users. If you need to use an IDE then you suck, period.'
<lpvn> lol
<eka> Karunamon: yep
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<evilbug> Karunamon: technically that makes sense, the dude's running a business.
<Nilium> I've been using Sublime for about three years, so my $60 was well spent.
<Nilium> Wait, no, $59.
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<Karunamon> :/ Yeah, in a way, but then again, vim is free and does much of the same stuff - it's just a bit more obtuse to learn is all.
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<eka> evilbug: no, it doesn't, it should be 30% of the full price or something
<Nilium> If you need to use an IDE then you can use an IDE.
<Nilium> Just don't act weird when I suggest not using an IDE because I don't use an IDE.
<Karunamon> I have a hard time justifying $60 for an editor, more so for upgrades
<lpvn> eka: yeah that's a classic
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<evilbug> eka: i'm saying it makes sense to charge for a new version from a business perspective. i have no clue how much he charges though.
<Nilium> vim's not hard to learn, and Sublime supports some stuff vim doesn't without plugins (and said plugins are kind of iffy right now).
<Nilium> Karunamon: No, Sublime costs $70.
<Karunamon> ls
<evilbug> Nilium: it used to be $59.
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<Karunamon> (ff, wrong window)
<Nilium> It used to cost $59.
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<Karunamon> So the price is going up too? >_< Damnit.
<waxjar> you can also not pay for it and just click away the little pop up :p
<Nilium> A $10 difference isn't much of a problem.
<Nilium> If you're going to be using it for years, I don't think the price matters in the long run.
<art-solopov> Nilium: How are plugins iffy?
<Nilium> art-solopov: No, I mean the plugins that do stuff like multiple carets are iffy.
<art-solopov> Nilium: Ah.
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<Nilium> Plugins in and of themselves are not iffy.
<Karunamon> Again, sublime isn't competing with bbedit, it's competing with vim, emacs, and every other $0 editor out there. I mean.. it's cool and everything
<Karunamon> but $70? Paid upgrades at full price?
<Nilium> I'm sure they're still being improved, but Sublime has the lead there since it's built into the editor.
<eka> Karunamon: yeah, I said the same
<evilbug> Karunamon: upgrade from 2 > 3 is full price?
<eka> yep
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<evilbug> wuuut! that's haterism.
<eka> no upgrade policy
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<art-solopov> Karunamon: If we're speaking about IDE, you can use Eclipse. It didn't work for me, but it has Ruby modules.
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<Karunamon> I wouldn't even mind the price so much if it was a once off
<Nilium> Ok, nevermind, I do have to comment on this because eka is wrong
<Nilium> Upgrading from ST2 to ST3 is not full price
<eka> Nilium: it was when I wanted to do it
<eka> was long ago
<eka> Nilium: how much is now?
* Karunamon stops being lazy and just loads up the website
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<eka> Nilium: that's SOOOO new!!!
<Nilium> The upgrade policy is covered there.
<Nilium> 90 days before ST3 is announced: $11. Before that: $30.
<Karunamon> Ok, only 30. Not /that/ horrible.
<fixxxermet> Does anyone know of a working caldav gem? agcaldav doesn't seem to be maintained and doesn't support finding events in a time interval.
<Karunamon> The "no site license" thing is kind of a killer too though
<Nilium> Otherwise, it's free.
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<Nilium> And ST3 was announced quite a while ago.
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<eka> I stand corrected
<Nilium> At this point, if you buy ST2, you get the upgrade to ST3 for free.
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<Karunamon> That's good to know - a lot of the ST2 plugins haven't made it to 3 yet
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<Nilium> Now I'm done talking about Sublime's price 'cause that's boring
<Nilium> http://i.imgur.com/cOLADaU.jpg ⇐ This is far more interesting.
<Karunamon> I'll have to play around with it more for IDE purposes
<Nilium> Just look at the spotty fluffiness, the fuzztummy, the oversized paws
<Karunamon> ruby cat is watching you code
<Nilium> I must rub my face on its tummy.
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<art-solopov> fixxxermet: For what I've seen, little to no. And they're either abandoned, or not yet started...
<fixxxermet> Guess I need to learn some ruby and write one. Thanks art-solopov
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<art-solopov> You're welcome fixxxermet.
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<ruby_nood> Why does to_json on a hash include backslashes?
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<waxjar> to escape "s
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<ruby_nood> but the backslashes don't pass json validation
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<waxjar> how are you printing your json string?
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<Nilium> They should pass validation, they're part of JSON.
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<Nilium> Unless you mean slashes you see when you do h.to_json.inspect or something
<ruby_nood> I have a hash and then I call .to_json
<ruby_nood> it seems fine if I use put
<ruby_nood> but when I set to redis it includes the backslashes
<Mon_Ouie> >> '"foo"'
<eval-in> Mon_Ouie => "\"foo\"" (https://eval.in/97629)
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<Mon_Ouie> There are no backslashhes in the above string.
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<Nilium> Then it's an issue in redis.
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<Mon_Ouie> It just displays it like this because there are quotes used within the string and they're also used as string delimiters
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<Nilium> Or when redis is printing it, it's inserting the backslashes because it's printing it as if inspect were called
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<ruby_nood> ok thanks!
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<RubyPanther> we were talking about try() in #rubyonrails and I was looking at the contributors, and I discovered why people say tenderlove is bad at documenting... his one contribution to that file was adding rdoc hints! So he must be self-documenting.
<Annwyl> can someone help me with rgss2 here?
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<drewie> hello. i upgraded and now get the following ruby error: /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/requirement.rb:20:in `lambda': tried to create Proc object without a block (ArgumentError)
<drewie> any ideas how to fix?
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<RubyPanther> Annwyl: Only time will tell if somebody helps you.
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<tcurdt> I always trip about ruby modules and how to reference them https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/b566e23660f61239748c
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<tcurdt> could someone have a look? I am trying to access "test" ... I assume I could include the module into the class
<tcurdt> but is there no other way?
<tcurdt> and how can "step-up" in the Local::Extension::Calendar kind of path?
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<waxjar> i think you can leave Local::Extension off, but I'm not 100% sure
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<waxjar> cause your class and your module have the same name
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<tcurdt> waxjar: it's searching for "test" in Local::Extension::Calendar::Calendar ... so I would have to go up in the hierarchy
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<tcurdt> and I that is my problem - I don't know how
<waxjar> on line 7 i mean, i think you can leave it off
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<waxjar> you definitely can if your module and class don't have the same name.
<Nilium> tcurdt: ::Something::IIn::Something ⇐ Like that?
<Nilium> s/IIn/In/
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<tcurdt> Nilium: not sure I can follow. you mean :: prefix means go up?
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<Nilium> :: with no lhs will check the global scope for the rhs name.
<Nilium> Basically functions the same as C++.
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<Nilium> Someone will take issue with that description.
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<tcurdt> Hm. Still getting "unedfine method test for Local::Extensions::Calendar:Module"
<lpvn> tcurdt: the method test in your code is not static, you can't access it unless you mix that module in a class
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<Nilium> So, either extend self or class <<self ; def test ; end ; end # etc.
<Nilium> Or I guess def self.test
<Nilium> I can't remember if I ever had a reason for not using `def self.`
<Nilium> I probably didn't.
<tcurdt> that's what I feared ... but I can acess it from a different scope (actually from haml) which is confusing
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<lpvn> my personal choice is always self.test lol
<Nilium> I don't know enough about haml, but I'm guessing it's probably instantiating something.
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<tcurdt> ah .... now I see it
<tcurdt> lpvn: lol
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<waxjar> ah, didnt notice that is wasn't defined as self.bla
<Nilium> s/enough/anything/
<Nilium> (Not a web dev.)
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<waxjar> if you put module_function somewhere before the method definition the method will be accessible both as an instance method and a class method
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<Nilium> I don't know why, but module_function rubs me the wrong way. I don't think there is even a shred of logic to that feeling.
<tcurdt> including the module into the class was the easiest route ... and makes sense
<tcurdt> I just didn't realize something else was including the module and got confused
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<viki> hi! I'm back, got help here yesterday with my subtract method in this rubymonk assignment, but I'm stuck on the calculate method now: https://rubymonk.com/learning/books/1-ruby-primer/chapters/19-ruby-methods/lessons/69-new-lesson
<viki> here's what I have: https://gist.github.com/VikiAnn/8777885
<waxjar> it's not my favourite either Nilium.
<waxjar> extend self would probably be a little nicer
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<viki> I'm reading the "Naming Parameters" section right above the exercise (last one on the page) and both hints, but I don't quite understand. It says "you have to check if the last argument to calculate is a Hash, then remove it from the list before calling add or subtract," and I'm not sure what "list" it's talking about. I don't think I have an array here, and
<viki> that's what "list" makes me think of...
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<Lewix> viki: line 15, why do you have options in the args list
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<art-solopov> Bye!
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<bricker> viki: where does it say "you have to check if the last argument..."
<bricker> ?
<viki> Lewix; I was just trying stuff, I couldn't figure out how to make "see" the other numbers, I'm getting the wrong number of argument errors.
<mjc_> >> def foo(*args); args; end; foo(1,2,3,4)
<eval-in> mjc_ => [1, 2, 3, 4] (https://eval.in/97632)
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<viki> bricker: in the "Need a hint?" clickable
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<bricker> viki: ah
<bricker> yeah
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<Lewix> viki: remove options
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<viki> Lewix: still getting wrong number of argument errors
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<bricker> viki: "you can't use both splatted arguments and last-parameter-is-a-hash at the same time" is technically incorrect, but I think that's beside the point
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<Lewix> viki: how do you use the cal method
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<smtp_> hey
<smtp_> Are Ruby strings encoded in ASCII or Unicode?
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<viki> The test gives it things like: invoking calculate(-10, 2, 3, add: true) and checks to see if it returns -5
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<viki> but it doesn't because there are too many arguments there
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<Lewix> viki: you can't put the argument sponge to the left of any default-valued
<waxjar> viki, what if your method could take any number of arguments?
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<Lewix> grr those DDOSS are getting annoying
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<viki> waxjar: that's what it should do, i just don't know how to make it do that if I can't use splat and the default thing at the same time
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<viki> Lewix: by argument sponge do you mean the * thing?
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<Lewix> viki: reverse the order
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<Lewix> viki: yes
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<mjc_> >> def foo(*a); a; end; foo
<eval-in> mjc_ => [] (https://eval.in/97658)
<viki> Lewix: reverse as in: def calculateoptions = {}, number, other_number) ?
<Lewix> viki: def calculate(number, options = {}, other_number)
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<viki> Lewix: isn't it going to try and put numbers into the options hash then?
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<Lewix> viki: I don't know how you call your method
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<viki> Lewix: calculate(0, 0, 0, 0, add: true) returns 0 is what should happen
<viki> the tests are in rubymonk
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<Lewix> viki: why not def calculate(number, other_number, options)
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<Lewix> viki: I have way too many window open i rather not open rubymonk =)
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<mjc_> calculate(4, 5, add: true); calculate(-10, 2, 3, add: true); calculate(0, 0, 0, 0, add: true); calculate(4, 5, subtract: true); calculate(-10, 2, 3, subtract: true); calculate(0, 0, 0, 0, -10, subtract: true)
<mjc_> those are the tests
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<smtp_> How can I iterate over the characters in a string starting with the *second* character, rather than with the first, which is what String#each_char gives me?
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<viki> Lewix: I don't think def calculate(number, other_number, options) would do what it needs to do, options would just get assigned to some number and I'd get a wrong number of arguments error again
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<Lewix> viki: true
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<Lewix> smtp_: next?
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<viki> I need the options = {} so i can put add: true, add: false, subtract: true, or subtract: false as options
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<mjc_> >> def foo(*opts); opts; end; foo(1,2,3, add: true)
<eval-in> mjc_ => [1, 2, 3, {:add=>true}] (https://eval.in/97675)
<x77686d> Is there a way to lookup a function binding given a string? (lookup "length") would return the length function, for example.
<Lewix> viki: def calculate(number, *other_number, options )
<smtp_> Lewix, I think next just increments the values of chars in the string
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<Lewix> smtp_: I meant to star next in each
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<lpvn> smpt_, string[1..-1]
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<mjc_> Lewix: see my eval
<smtp_> Lewix: ah, thanks!
<Lewix> smtp_: "string".split.each {...next}
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<Lewix> ah that's what you meant
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<x77686d> Re my question--oops, wrong channel!! :)
<havenwood> >> def foo(number, *other_numbers, **options); [number, other_numbers, options] end; foo(1, 2, 3, 4, aim: true, lights: false)
<eval-in> havenwood => [1, [2, 3, 4], {:aim=>true, :lights=>false}] (https://eval.in/97679)
<smtp_> Lewix: I'm kinda lost on what you mean by the 'next' part. I get "string"[1..-1].each_char do |c| end. is that not the best way?
<havenwood> viki: I'm late to the convo, but that's my input ^ (if it is even on point >.>)
<mjc_> havenwood: that seems complicated when def foo(*opts) does the same thing
<mjc_> >> def foo(*opts); opts; end; foo(1,2,3, add: true)
<eval-in> mjc_ => [1, 2, 3, {:add=>true}] (https://eval.in/97680)
<viki> havenwood: I still haven't figured it out so it doesn't matter if you're late
<viki> I don't know what you guys are doing with these eval things
<mjc_> eval is the same as typing into irb
<mjc_> but it does it in the channel
<mjc_> convenient
<RubyPanther> "send() means never having to say eval"
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<mjc_> RubyPanther: the eval bot
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<mjc_> not eval() heh
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<RubyPanther> other than one-liners, learning exercises, channel bots, and bad code, nobody actually uses eval
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<Hanmac> mjc_: you are looking for that:
<havenwood> >> def foo(number, *opts); [number, opts] end; foo(1,2,3, add: true)
<eval-in> havenwood => [1, [2, 3, {:add=>true}]] (https://eval.in/97682)
<Hanmac> >> def foo(*args,**opts); [args,opts]; end; foo(1,2,3, add: true)
<eval-in> Hanmac => [[1, 2, 3], {:add=>true}] (https://eval.in/97683)
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<havenwood> mjc_: I guess it depends how you want them clumped!
<mjc_> ah, yeah
<mjc_> Hanmac: ah but that's ruby 2 only
<havenwood> mjc_: indeed, double-spat
<havenwood> splat**
<Lewix> smtp_: I misunderstood your question, I was thinking:
<Lewix> >> "pop".split('').each_with_index {|char,i| next if i == 0; puts char;}
<eval-in> Lewix => o ... (https://eval.in/97688)
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<lpvn> double spat is a > ruby-2.0 feature, right?
<mjc_> viki: try def calculate(*args)
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<havenwood> 2.1
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<viki> mjc_: i don't know what you mean
<mjc_> havenwood: no, 2.0
<Lewix> viki: what happened when you typed what i said earlier
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<mjc_> viki: line 13
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<viki> gah i can't keep up with everything
<mjc_> viki: line 13
<havenwood> mjc_: you're correct, 2.0
<mjc_> try def calculate(*args)
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<viki> mjc_: do you mean literally replace line 13 with def calculate(*args)?
<Hanmac> mjc_: how cares? ;P old ruby should die ,D
<Lewix> def calculate(number, *other_number, options ), viki
<mjc_> viki: if you do that, you get an array with the optional arguments as a hash, for last item in the array
<mjc_> Lewix: that's a complicated, suboptimal solution
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<lpvn> Hanmac: I care, I have an emotional liason with old ruby u.u
<viki> mjc_: where does it turn the optional arguments into a hash if i do that? line 13 is where i told it to make those into a hash.
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<Lewix> mjc_: what would be a simple, optimal solution
<mjc_> viki: look at this
<Hanmac> lpvn: thats called stockholm syndrom
<viki> mjc_: it's not going to be a simple solution, the rubymonk says it's not going to be simple
<mjc_> >> def calculate(*args); args; end; calculate(1,2,3,add: true)
<eval-in> mjc_ => [1, 2, 3, {:add=>true}] (https://eval.in/97695)
<mjc_> viki: lewix is proposing something that will take twice as much code
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<viki> rubymonk says: There's no simple way to do this - you have to check if the last argument to calculate is a Hash, then remove it from the list before calling add or subtract.
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<mjc_> when you pass both named arguments and unnamed ones it returns an array, where the last item in the array is a hash
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<mjc_> so you can just iterate over the array, check whether the item you have is a hash or not, if it's a hash you can check whether it's add or subtract or whatnot
<mjc_> the other option is double splat
<mjc_> which is even simpler
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<viki> if double splat is a ruby 2.1 thing i don't know if that's going to work in rubymonk, does that use ruby 2.1?
<mjc_> it's ruby 2.0
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<havenwood> viki: i was wrong, it is 2.0 ;)
<mjc_> >> def calculate(*numbers, **options); [numbers, options]; end; calculate(1,2,3, subtract: true)
<eval-in> mjc_ => [[1, 2, 3], {:subtract=>true}] (https://eval.in/97696)
<mjc_> you would get an array called numbers with the numbers in it, and a hash called options with the options in it
<lpvn> don't be such a troll, havenwood
<lpvn> lol
<Lewix> How's the double splat simpler than none lol
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<havenwood> Lewix: Because it separates your splat input from your double spat input, assigning each their own local.
<mjc_> havenwood: you don't need numbers and other_numbers, just plain *numbers would do
<Lewix> havenwood: I meant in the context of viki getting it
<Lewix> 14:05 mjc_: Lewix: that's a complicated, suboptimal solution
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<havenwood> mjc_: looks like #add and #subtract don't need `options`, i couldn't tell if they were used for other stuff so i left em
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<havenwood> mjc_: doesn't her #subtract currently need number then other_numbers, or you're just saying best to rearchitect?
<viki> sorry, somebody came to ask a question at work, gotta scroll up to read
<viki> gotta leave in 15 minutes anyway, probably not going to solve this before leaving, i guess
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<havenwood> mjc_: #inject(:+) and #inject(:-) ftw \o/
<havenwood> is #sum provided elsewhere?
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<havenwood> mjc_: yeah, given all the constraints presumed, i think Hanmac's single/double splat is nicest, then not passing on options unless they're needed (though if they're being only used for what we see, ha!)
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<bricker> This hasn't been fixed yet in Ruby 2.1? I wonder if it ever will be: https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/4417839
<mjc_> ah you'd have to use delete_at if you want to not use the first arg
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<mjc_> viki: what do you have currently again?
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<dachi_> why is this giving me such a wrong result :(((
<dachi_> 2.0.0-p247 :041 > a = "Generating public/fonts/nino.eot\n Generating public/fonts/nino.woff\n\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.svg\n".match(/^Generating (.+)/)
<dachi_> => #<MatchData "Generating public/fonts/nino.eot" 1:"public/fonts/nino.eot">
<havenwood> know your wines, splats, and cuts of meat!
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<RubyPanther> dachi_: "wrong?"
<dachi_> wrong for my understanding
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<bricker> dachi_: you probably need a "global" flag on it to match all of them
<dachi_> i need those 3 paths, and I get something really different
<mjc_> dachi_: what are you trying to match
<bricker> dachi_: /whatever/g
<viki> mjc_: i don't think that's what they wanted to teach me :/
<dachi_> it works in rubular
<dachi_> is there g?
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<viki> they specifically showed me how to do the options = {} thing
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<dachi_> there is no g
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<mjc_> viki: ok then this
<bricker> or whatever is g in ruby :(
<RubyPanther> dachi_: /m for multiline :)
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<dachi_> => #<MatchData "Generating public/fonts/nino.eot\n Generating public/fonts/nino.woff\n\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.svg\n" 1:"public/fonts/nino.eot\n Generating public/fonts/nino.woff\n\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.svg\n">
<dachi_> that's not what i need
<dachi_> strings are like this from Open3 stdout
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<dachi_> Generating public/fonts/nino.eot\n Generating public/fonts/nino.woff\n\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.svg\n
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<dachi_> no that's not correct
<bricker> now you need a question mark, /Generating (.+?)/
<dachi_> wait
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<bricker> and some kind of terminator probably
<RubyPanther> I dunno what you want
<bricker> a space or something
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<dachi_> "Generating public/fonts/nino.eot\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.woff\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.svg"
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<dachi_> this is a real string that open3 gives me
<kwertie> I'm practicing TDD - how can I check that a (mock) socket is being written to with a particular bit of data
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<viki> mjc_: also it didn't work anyway
<viki> Syntax error main:13: syntax error, unexpected tPOW def calculate(first_number, *other_numbers, **options) ^
<mjc_> ok then they aren't using 2.0
<mjc_> shame
<viki> sigh
<bricker> dachi_: is this what you need? http://rubular.com/r/fnoWEP6E8a
<RubyPanther> "Generating public/fonts/nino.eot\n Generating public/fonts/nino.woff\n\nGenerating public/fonts/nino.svg\n".match(/^Generating (.+)/m)[1].split("\n")
<viki> maybe i should just quit it and do something else
<RubyPanther> Don't be afraid of doing it in multiple steps
<mjc_> try calculate(first_number, *other_numbers, options = {})
<RubyPanther> (but don't do it with [1] like I did)
<viki> mjc_: i don't think that'll work because it says you can't use splat at the same time as the default is a hash thing
<viki> but i'll try
<dachi_> Yes! that's great I'll append \n
<dachi_> thank you!!!!!!!
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<mjc_> viki: ok then your only other option is the very first thing I suggested
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<mjc_> which is calculate(*args)
<viki> and then write a thing to do stuff to args?
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<mjc_> viki: when you do that the last item in args is a hash containing the options
<viki> mjc_: ok, i guess i'll try that when i get home tonight if i have any brain left after bootcamp class... gotta go for now
<viki> thanks for the help everyone, sorry I'm not very good at describing what I mean yet
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<AntelopeSalad> lagweezle: that was a good presentation
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<AntelopeSalad> i was surprised when it ended up being ddh giving the talk
<AntelopeSalad> *dhh
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<lagweezle> AntelopeSalad: Glad ou enjoyed
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<agent_wh1te> Afternoon all
<Nilium> Good god I hate that my niece is here right now.
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<bricker> Nilium: one day you're going to be sorry you felt that way today
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<Nilium> bricker: I highly doubt that.
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<Nilium> I'm never going to regret being unhappy that my niece, who is old enough to know better, decided to take a dump behind a shower curtain and hide it.
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<Nilium> Now this isn't to say that I think she's a bad kid -- kids are weird and do weird stuff, I'll give her that -- but I can be unhappy that I have to deal with it.
<bricker> haha
<lpvn> how old is she?
<bricker> 34
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<lpvn> 34 dafuq
<Nilium> She's 6 or 7.
<Nilium> Old enough to use a toilet.
<Nilium> I know this because she normally uses a toilet.
<bricker> haha
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<Nilium> Except for the one random time when she was in the tub and apparently thought the toilet was off limits despite being 3 feet away.
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<Nilium> So she crapped behind the shower curtain. I don't know why, I'm not going to ask why, I'm just going to be unhappy about it and let her continue existing blissfully unaware that I think she's gross.
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<lpvn> Nilium: in order to calm her you should try to teach her ruby lol
<agent_white> But then she'll grow up thinking that everyone is OK with crapping in the tub.
<bricker> hell, that's where I go, it's just so convenient.
<Nilium> agent_white: No, no, it's been explained that you don't do that
<RubyPanther> I got away with lots of stuff as a kid, more than I got caught for, I don't think it caused me to grow up thinking nobody cared. Thinking nobody cared would have got me caught.
<Nilium> It's just that nobody has tried to particularly punish her for it because that doesn't seem like it'd do any good
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<Nilium> I think she hid it because she knew people cared.
<agent_white> Wat? Classical conditioning ain't a joke!
<RubyPanther> Right, so having the hiding fail is already going to be a lesson
<RubyPanther> You gotta bury that stuff if you're not gonna flush it
<Nilium> So she had the right idea about it being wrong to crap behind the shower curtain, she just didn't seem to know it was ok to get out and use the toilet when she was in the tub.
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<RubyPanther> Or use the neighbor's tub
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<lpvn> Nilium, how old are you?
<Nilium> Why does it matter how old I am?
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<bricker> 34
<lpvn> bricker: lol
<RubyPanther> Nilium: so we can calibrate an ageist response
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<Nilium> bricker, when your birthday comes around, I'm sending you a little thing to hang on your door that just has the number 34 on it
<DaniG2k> i'm trying to write records to my db if they don't already exist
<bricker> Nilium: thank you.
<DaniG2k> only thing is I have multiple fields I want to check (url/title)
<lpvn> it doesn't matter at all but I bet you're old
<DaniG2k> find_or_create_by! only seems to take one field
<RubyPanther> I'd guess 20s, old people have seen worse
<lpvn> RubyPanther: old inside, I mean
<Nilium> Mid-20s.
<bricker> DaniG2k: YourModel.where(url: "google.com", title: "Google").first_or_create
<DaniG2k> bricker: cool thanks I'll give it a shot
<RubyPanther> DaniG2k: find_or_create_by_foo_and_bar_and_baz
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<DaniG2k> RubyPanther: I read that was deprecated in Rails 4?
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<bricker> indeed it is
<RubyPanther> I dunno what you're using
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<DaniG2k> RubyPanther: rails 3
<DaniG2k> oops
<DaniG2k> :P rails 4
<RubyPanther> now I don't know which of you to believe
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<DaniG2k> bricker: ok that seemed to be ok but I'm getting this error message
<DaniG2k> rake aborted!
<DaniG2k> invalid byte sequence in UTF-8
<DaniG2k> i cant figure out why
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<DaniG2k> the text is all in UtF-8
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<DaniG2k> i'm scraping a news page for articles
<DaniG2k> and adding their titles and url to a db
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<DaniG2k> and when I do so I get this byte sequence invalid issue
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<havenwood> yay, SASL is back
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<bricker> DaniG2k: the page you're scraping likely has something that's not UTF-8 compatible
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<DaniG2k> bricker: found it
<DaniG2k> "Al Jazeera \x96 Breaking Political and Business News & Events from Asia-Pacific"
<DaniG2k> the title
<DaniG2k> has a \x96
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<buff3r> hi all, im looking at dependencies list with the 'gem spec -r <rubygem_name>' command
<buff3r> sometimes there's a dependency listed that can't be retrieved with the same command, am i doing something wrong?
<slash_nick> guy says to doctor, hurts when i do this... doctor says, don't do that.
<buff3r> any idea why gem spec is so referentially inconsistent?
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<DaniG2k> how can i get foundation 5.0.3 into my rails app?
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<DaniG2k> i see lots of github accounts with foundation, not sure what the official one is (if there is one)
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