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<
rob_ >
hi, can anyone tell me how to convert this byte stream (from Base64.decode64()) to ascii values, and whether it could be a bad idea to do it? \x84\t\x83
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can i just 'unpack' it?
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not sure what you want. you have "\x84", and now you want what?
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note that \x84 is NOT ascii
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(ascii is 0x00-0x7f)
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ok i think this is where im confusing myself
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good, I guess then get yourself in the clear what you want first :-p
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apeiros: i want to work with raw bytes in ruby and im not really sure how to go about doing that - before i assumed i could just convert stuff to ascii with unpack
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"\x84" IS raw bytes.
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how much rawer do you want it?
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how do i iterate over a string of raw bytes?
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i.e., "\x84" is a single byte. "\x84\t\x83" is 3 bytes.
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String#each_byte
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bingo, thanks!
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also if your strings encoding is properly set to 'binary', all string operations are on a byte level.
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* rob_
goes to re-write a load of stuff
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i.e., str[15,10] will return the bytes 16-25
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yorickpeterse >
hmpf, last commit 3 years ago
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yorickpeterse: lol @ "you don't get all Go power"
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whitequark >
clearly has no clue why ragel exists
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still want to mess around with a decent compiled language that isn't C but meh, I'm bikeshedding too much about Go's PascalCase for methods
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Haskell makes my eyes burn, Erlang is not suitable for my needs, D isn't used and Go is something I bikeshed too much about
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yorickpeterse >
though I reckon I should just try it out and shut up
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umm is Erlang a 'compiled language'?:)
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apeiros >
btw., how goes foundation, whitequark?
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whitequark >
apeiros: foundry?
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apeiros >
arrr, yes, sorry
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whitequark >
I'm finishing the first alpha release of 'production' compiler
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whitequark >
got the prototype working, but it needed some refactoring.
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yorickpeterse >
spike|spiegel: yes, but it's geared towards networking and such
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yorickpeterse >
not towards what I want: compilers and that jazz
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: it's not
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whitequark >
not compiled.
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yorickpeterse >
oh?
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apeiros >
whitequark: nice. that's quick progress.
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yorickpeterse >
I thought it was
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whitequark >
it's a typical VM-based language, with rudimentary JIT/AOT
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yorickpeterse >
right
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whitequark >
(it's technically JIT but it works more like AOT and is not very useful afaik)
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yorickpeterse >
my main problem with Go is that it's not OO, which again is bikeshedding
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spike|spiegel >
:) was supposed to be a snarky smile. failed.
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: i think it has a "limited form" of OO
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whitequark >
something about functions with structs as the first argument
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yorickpeterse >
uugghh
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OO is just baloney
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does Go have namespacing of some kind?
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apeiros: yeah, sure
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proper module system, even
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apeiros >
would you recommend learning Go over C?
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yorickpeterse >
Rust still looks super weird syntax wise
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apeiros: ask yourself this question:
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yorickpeterse >
Do you like getting shit done or do you prefer to reinvent every possible wheel every time?
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apeiros: absolutely
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: that's the horrible dilemma I live in: both :(
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yorickpeterse >
C is fucking terrible, the only reason I learned it is because of Ruby C extensions and because it's
*everywhere*
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whitequark >
apeiros: go has about zero ways to screw yourself over
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whitequark >
i guess rob pike learned his lesson :D
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apeiros >
whitequark: if you wanted to screw yourself over, could you drop "down" to C in Go? (similar to objC/C++ can be combined with C)
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whitequark >
apeiros: I think you can link go stuff with c libs
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whitequark >
pretty sure
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yorickpeterse >
bah, no LLVM bindings for go that are recent
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yorickpeterse >
hmpf
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spike|spiegel >
C will stay practical for forseeable future... Go.. I can't say :)
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whitequark >
it's not an straightforward extension of C like objC, though
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whitequark >
spike|spiegel: everything ever written stays for foreseeable future
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whitequark >
oh you said practical
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whitequark >
then that's simply false but I'm not having this argument
*again*
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whitequark >
goddamnit
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spike|spiegel >
Go will not kill C if that's what the implication is.. Go is eating at ruby/python world .. not so much as traditional compiled world
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yorickpeterse >
Go at this point is very much a hype
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whitequark >
spike|spiegel: no, C isn't exactly practical today
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whitequark >
unless you're dealing with legacy code
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yorickpeterse >
similar to Node was up until recently
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whitequark >
(which
*is* a huge chunk, maybe majority of work in some areas)
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whitequark: no quite sure how it's not practical .. C is everywhere and sometimes the only viable option. even in new projects.
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: you have an interesting metric
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: eh?
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whitequark >
"hype"
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yorickpeterse >
But it is
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whitequark >
that's a bare statement :)
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yorickpeterse >
People see something cool, they drink the koolaid and then try to use it for
*everything*
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ruby world lived/lives on hype ^_^ never forget that
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yorickpeterse >
I was about to say it affects every language
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yeah, it's a well-known phenomenon
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"hype curve"
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When people start hating on a language on a wide scale I'd say it's no longer a hype
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whitequark >
that actually makes some weird sense
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spike|spiegel >
lua for example never had that hype ..and is slowing penetrating areas other than game scriptin
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, Go's inverted param/type order is weird
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yorickpeterse >
it's name -> type instead of type -> name
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whitequark >
it's supposed to fix C's order
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in fact I'd be hard pressed to recall a non-C language with type -> name
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spike|spiegel: Lua probably will have that hype in the next 5 years as its user base continues to grow
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whitequark >
(and non-C-derived)
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and jesus christ LuaJIT is pretty awesome
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yorickpeterse >
"VROOM VROOM LUA BITCHES" - LuaJIT
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I just wish it wasn't a prototype based language :<
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huh? what's a prototype baseed language?
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I also don't like how it's effectively closed source
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spike|spiegel: e.g. Javascript
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short and somewhat broken description is "OO without classes"
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it's just developed at a university
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yorickpeterse: wat? closed source?
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Last time I checked there's no public Lua repository of the source code
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they do accept patches. just that version control if there is one.. isn't public
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exactly
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which for me means it's "more or less closed source"
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what if they don't have version control at all?
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it's cathedral development model, which is eh... not closed source
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I'd like to know what the hell people do with the language(s) I'd use, which makes Lua less attractive for me
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other than that it's a great language
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yorickpeterse: they say they provide snapshots upon request
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whitequark >
etc etc. read the letter.
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though, the decision is still weird.
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I know that
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academia.
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Hm, lets see what other languages there are that are actually used
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(excluding the JVM family)
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PHP!
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lol yes
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also javascript
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I'd rather eat my shoes
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bah, this would be so much easier if I wasn't super pedantic
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whitequark: so yeah, tl;dr hurry up with Foundry damn it
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hah. I do.
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whitequark >
it's not easy you know
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I never said/assumed it was
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yorickpeterse >
Ok different story: hit me with some dumb Ruby features that are worth throwing warnings for
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yorickpeterse >
I already have BEGIN/END and overriding methods with local variables
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yorickpeterse >
of course I can't think of anything else :?
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* :/
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whitequark >
I think both of those are handled by rubocop
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yorickpeterse >
Could be, but they serve as a simple example on how to write analysis in ruby-lint
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whitequark >
dunno.
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spike|spiegel >
ruby world comes up with the silliest of names for libraries... rubocop really?
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and rubocop doesn't do the former
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yorickpeterse >
it does seem to have unused vars warnings, I wonder how accurate it is
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yorickpeterse: 100% accurate?
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whitequark >
that only requires syntactical analysis
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whitequark >
in fact
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whitequark >
lemme throw you a different idea
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, I recall reading something about it being done using regexes
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whitequark >
different from ruby-lint though, but hopefully new to the ruby world and interesting
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whitequark >
(regexes) that was fixed
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whitequark >
perform instrumentation of the code with rewriting
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whitequark >
for example how can you check for unused methods? instrument each method in the codebase with a flag, then run the testsuite
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whitequark >
also you can do more precise coverage than any existing tools do
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whitequark >
they do line coverage, you can provide SC/CC
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whitequark >
statement/condition coverage.
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meh, my next project would probably be a compiler or interpreted language
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whitequark >
eg for 'a && b && foo' you would need three testcases, not one
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In particular a language that would be suitable for absolute beginners, which is pretty hard to nail
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whitequark >
shoes ?
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whitequark >
scheme ? :D
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yorickpeterse >
hahaha shoes
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yorickpeterse >
Shoes is not a programming language
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nor is it easy to understand for somebody who's new to brogramming
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(I'm talking about people who've never coded before)
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whitequark >
well, it depends on their background them
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spike|spiegel >
brogramming, way to go
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yorickpeterse >
fuckit, I'm releasing ruby-lint
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yorickpeterse >
I need people to use it
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ugh, now to write a changelog
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yorickpeterse: btw, a compiled language with OOP?
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is it webscale?
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whitequark >
it's good
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hmm
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I'll take a look at this, ta
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ocaml the saner haskell :)
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well, it's ML family after all
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yorickpeterse >
so while eating pasta I thought about writing "brolang"
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I wonder what was in that pasta
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While having my morning coffee I thought it's probably not a good idea to pick up scared cats bare-handed
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that reminds me, I haven't updated my catom feed in a while
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pushing gem, brace for imminent release failure
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yorickpeterse >
now to spam ruby-core to get people to test it
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yorickpeterse >
nooooooo, I failed to fix the release date
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yorickpeterse >
damn it
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yorickpeterse >
(in the Gemspec)
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yorickpeterse >
I'm so bad at this :<
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yorickpeterse >
fuckit, not going to repush for that
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Nilium >
The fun thing is when I push something then forgot to update the version constant but do update the gem version.
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Nilium >
s/then/but/
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Nilium >
I'm amazingly bad at these things.
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yorickpeterse >
I can't read that sentence
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Nilium >
Gemspec version updated, lib version constant not.
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Nilium >
I'm unfortunately still slightly off-kilter due to seeing my own blood.
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spike|spiegel >
Nilium: reason why you generate gemspec version dynamically from lib version :P
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Nilium >
That requires effort.
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yorickpeterse >
FUCK
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yorickpeterse >
GENERATING
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yorickpeterse >
GEMSPECS
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yorickpeterse >
unless you mean `gemspec.version = Gem::VERSION`
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yorickpeterse >
that's ok
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apeiros_ >
I love things like spec.files = `some tool surely everybody has`
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I do that for one of my extconfs, but only because I figure if you don't have pkg-config, you can die in a fire.
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yorickpeterse >
Reddit spam: check
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apeiros_ >
Nilium: I hope you document that dependency, though
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Nilium >
I believe it's mentioned somewhere in the readme.
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yorickpeterse >
apeiros_: git ls-files, etc
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Nilium >
Yep, in the readme.
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yorickpeterse >
though git ls-files is the only one I can somewhat live with
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apeiros_ >
yorickpeterse: f.ex., yes.
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apeiros_ >
while I have git, I still find it a bad practice.
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also, slippery slope.
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I'm currently using MANIFEST files but those are starting to piss me off
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yorickpeterse >
if Dir.glob() could read .gitignore that would solve my problem
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(as in, ignore what it specifies)
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yorickpeterse >
That requires me to still deal with potential pattern matching in .gitignore
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yorickpeterse: git ls-files ?
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. "foo/*"
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yorickpeterse >
unless you also pass that to Dir.glob
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yorickpeterse: those are globs too, no?
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darix: gem.files = `git ls-files`.split("\n")
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yorickpeterse >
common pattern in Gemspecs
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apeiros_: Hm
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so File.read('.gitignore').split("\n").flat_map { |pattern| Dir.glob(pattern)
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apeiros_ >
and somehow drop comments and empty lines :)
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apeiros_ >
reject/grep
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yorickpeterse >
hmm
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apeiros_ >
one of these will do
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yorickpeterse >
that would be an option
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yorickpeterse: that's why i am wondering why you are not using it.
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darix: I don't want my Gemspec to depend on external tools. It also makes it impossible to build the Gemspec without cloning the repo
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. a tarball wouldn't be possible
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yorickpeterse >
It falls in the same category as those Gemspecs that unshift $LOAD_PATH and require your entire lib
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generate manifest file with git ls-files and have that in the tarball. hell you could even version it
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It doesn't hurt the end Gem but it sure as hell is stupid
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darix: ...that's what I'm already doing
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darix >
later food time
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ruby-core spam: check
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oh shit, almost forgot Twitter
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"Very complex code in RubyLint::VirtualMachine definition outside of methods" lol fuckoff Codeclimate
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yorickpeterse: is that something RubyLint checks?
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No, that's from codeclimate
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trying to escape and pass the "
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i though tripling it would work, but no go
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any idea
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nm got it
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\ did it
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