apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<zenspider> echo $(($(p4 counter change) / $(egrep -ic "(suck|fuck|shit|\\bass\\b|dick|cunt)" allchanges.txt))) => 86
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<zenspider> much more what I was thinking
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<xuser> is there a tool to create a tree of the classes/modules/constants etc... for a ruby project?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<iIlL10Oo> a=[1,2] ; why a[1,1].class != a[2,1].class
<iIlL10Oo> why a[3,1].class != a[2,1].class
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<maloik> iIlL10Oo: just to make sure, you realize what that does right? You're not being confused with something else?
<maloik> >> a=['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']; a[1,3]
<eval-in> maloik => ["b", "c", "d"] (https://eval.in/43153)
<maloik> because in your example, a[3,1] is probably nil
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<maloik> because a[3] doesn't exist
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<iIlL10Oo> maloik: why a[2,1] exist ?
<maloik> what a[x, y] does is "take array a, and select y number of elements starting at index x"
<maloik> a[2,1] is the same as a[2]
<maloik> and in your case it doesnt exist either
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<maloik> hmm although, that does return empty array... strange
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<maloik> maybe I got this wrong then
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<ljarvis> it's intentional
<ljarvis> >> [1,2,3][3,1]
<eval-in> ljarvis => [] (https://eval.in/43154)
<ljarvis> >> [1,2,3][4,1]
<eval-in> ljarvis => nil (https://eval.in/43155)
<maloik> why is that intentional?
<maloik> and what does it do precisely?
<maloik> like, I could see 4,1 returning empty array as well
<maloik> oh, funny
<maloik> thanks for the link
<ljarvis> here's a better one: http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4245
<ljarvis> it catches a lot of people out, but yeah it's intentional
<maloik> never ran into that before
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<erikh> hello
<ljarvis> ohi
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<erikh> I can't call you inkjet anymore in here
<ljarvis> \o/
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<maloik> why not ?
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<iIlL10Oo> tobiasvl: yes ; a=[1] ; a[1..6].class != a[2..6].class
<ljarvis> ...
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<yorickpeterse> heh, spent the better part of my morning benchmarking Faraday.new's overhead
<yorickpeterse> as in, `many.times { Faraday.new.get }` versus `client = Faraday.new; many.times { client.get }`
<yorickpeterse> end verdict: the latter is only slightly faster
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: I'm guessing you're not getting keep-alive with Faraday.new.get?
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<yorickpeterse> Could be, not sure though
<yorickpeterse> I'm benchmarking this to see if we should go with dependency injection (create one client, push it further down) or with a factory approach (create a client for every request)
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<yorickpeterse> because multithreading
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<ljarvis> herro
<ljarvis> https://github.com/google/gumbo-parser how long until ruby bindings appear
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<Dernise> morning
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<judofyr> morning Dernise
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<judofyr> inkjet: you can make that happen
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: heh, I suggested that here at $WORK this morning
<yorickpeterse> but I cbf
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<ljarvis> heh
<ljarvis> judofyr: too busy
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<yorickpeterse> yay tests
<yorickpeterse> fix this and then WHAM, my Tripadvisor API client is done
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<whitequark> does it recommend drugs
<yorickpeterse> It recommends you to give the "Drugs" subrating a 5
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<whitequark> wat
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<yorickpeterse> https://waffle.io/ so is this the new "OMG MUST HAVE IN README" badge thing?
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<maloik> the badges are cool and all but I don't get why no one proposes a unified design
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<maloik> theyre all different styles and heights and colors etc
<maloik> also wondering how they're going to turn a decent profit at 1/month
<whitequark> maybe they just want it to pay for its hosting
<yorickpeterse> maloik: somebody actually did
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<maloik> whitequark: fair enough
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<tehroflmaoer> is "proc" a keyword? vim seems to highlight it like it is
<whitequark> no
<ljarvis> no
<ljarvis> it's a method on Kernel
<whitequark> >> method(:proc)
<eval-in> whitequark => #<Method: Object(Kernel)#proc> (https://eval.in/43255)
<tehroflmaoer> ah ok, thanks!
<judofyr> tehroflmaoer: the implementation is super easy as well: def proc(&blk) blk end
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<erikh> herp
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<ljarvis> derp
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<heftig> judofyr: well, you still need a raise ArgumentError, "tried to create Proc object without a block" unless prc
<heftig> er, unless blk
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<ljarvis> yeah judofyr
<ljarvis> jeez
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<yorickpeterse> judofyr: noob
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<yorickpeterse> dayum, 17:25 already
<ljarvis> still 2 hours
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<yorickpeterse> Spent most of my day rubberducking about API clients and implementing them
<yorickpeterse> today was a good day
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<Dernise> Finally! I understood ruby threads and sucessfully read my stdout.
<Dernise> looks simple to me now .-.
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<Ch00k> I'm having troubles linking libraries while building Ruby on Solaris
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<Ch00k> I do ./configure --with-opt-dir=/opt/csw, but then when I build I cannot erquire psych
<Ch00k> though, if I build the same with PATH=/usr/gnu/bin:$PATH everuthing works fine
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<Ch00k> so it looks like Ruby does not like some of the non-gnu utils Solaris has
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<Ch00k> I'm building 1.9.3-p448
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<zzak> Ch00k: did you check the tracker?
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<Ch00k> zzak, I did google about this issue but could not find anything related
<Ch00k> checking the tracker now
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<matti> zzak-kun.
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<zzak> hi
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<matti> zzak: Are you FileUtils maintainer yet?
<matti> ;]
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* matti should write Gumbo Ruby bindings after Go ones.
<spike|spiegel> gumbo .. oh the html5 parser lib?
<matti> Yeah
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<matti> Nice
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<jperry> anyone know if there is a gem plugin or tool to give you a gem listing of what other gems are using your gem?
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<tubbo> jperry: say gem ONE MORE FUCKIN TIME ;)
<matti> em
<matti> gem
<tubbo> jperry: you mean which gems on the same machine are using your gem?
<tubbo> because that might depend on your use of Bundler or not
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<spike|spiegel> jperry: so umm, gems that depend on a particular gem?
<spike|spiegel> all gems published to rubygems.org or just the one installed locally?
<spike|spiegel> ones*
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<jperry> tubbo: ha, I thought the same thing when I was typing it, pretty funny
<jperry> I was thinking that if I wrote a gem or I'm a consumer of a gem I'd like to be able to get a listing of other open source gems using the gem
<jperry> I think it would be pretty cool to see how others are using it
<jperry> and how many, etc
<havenwood> jperry: gem dependency gem_to_check_here --reverse-dependencies
<jperry> haven wood, does that check rubygems.org?
<drbrain> jperry: it does not
<jperry> haven wood, that isn't what I'm looking for
<drbrain> there's no longer index support to do reverse dependencies for remote gems
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<jperry> does ruby gems expose anything in their api for this info?
<jperry> maybe I could build a service that caches some of this data and a gem plugin that hits my service
<havenwood> jperry: There is a `gem-dependent` gem if it is compatible with your version of RubyGems. (I think it needs a bit of work to support latest stable.): https://github.com/grosser/gem-dependent#readme
<jperry> at the least if I have results that are a week old I think that is fine
<jperry> havenwood: thanks I'll check that out
<havenwood> jperry: Or just download 61,108 gems locally. :P
<jperry> ha
<jperry> thats why I was thinking the caching thing could help
<drbrain> you don't need to download gems
<drbrain> just the specs
<jperry> yeah
<jperry> it would be nice to check against a specific version too
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<spike|spiegel> also, rubygems.org is quite easy to DOS :) please don't do that.
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<drbrain> gems and gemspecs come from S3 which are not easy to DOS
<drbrain> I've downloaded all the gems using around 100 processes distributed across a dozen machines, no harm was done
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<spike|spiegel> (not talking about downloads)
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<spike|spiegel> the API is a bit insane that it returns Marshal dump'd data
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<drbrain> spike|spiegel: how so?
<drbrain> note that Marshal is the most time and memory efficient data exchange format Ruby supports
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<spike|spiegel> drbrain: it's insane because it's ruby specific and Marshal loading of data coming from the internets is right on top of crazy list
<drbrain> so only load the data from trusted sources
<spike|spiegel> tell that to bundler?
<drbrain> AFAIK bundler only loads data from rubygems.org unless you configure it otherwise
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<spike|spiegel> naive, network pipes
<drbrain> I don't know this feature of bundler
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<spike|spiegel> I meant the data doesn't magically transfer from rubygems.org to your little bunder.
<drbrain> so I guess HTTPS doesn't count?
<spike|spiegel> yeah, also, it's trivial for a moron to remove the s in Gemfile and be royally screwed
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<drbrain> if you're installing gems you're always taking a risk
<drbrain> as far as I can tell there's no exploitable way to send malicious Marshal to RubyGems (and would love a counterexample)
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<drbrain> but there's still the problem of RubyGems being a way to run arbitrary code in as the current user at install-time
<spike|spiegel> and the fact that there isn't even a simple checksum is maddening.
<drbrain> you mean the Etag?
<spike|spiegel> file sha1/256
<drbrain> S3 provides you an MD5
<spike|spiegel> who is you?
<drbrain> the person downloading from rubygems.org
<spike|spiegel> I want the damn gem author to provde it
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<spike|spiegel> checksum done locally before anything is ever uploaded
<drbrain> then ask the user to sign their gems
<spike|spiegel> security 101
<drbrain> this is built-in to rubygems
<spike|spiegel> all I'm saying is that this adds value.
<spike|spiegel> and could be done without much hassle
<drbrain> I don't understand
<drbrain> it's already supported
<spike|spiegel> gem signing?
<drbrain> yes
<drbrain> I think since 0.8.something
<spike|spiegel> the signature is on the checksum of packaged gem?
<drbrain> yes
<spike|spiegel> where is it stored then?
<drbrain> and it is embedded in the gem so rubygems can verify it for you at install time
* spike|spiegel looks up the docs
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<drbrain> ri Gem::Security
<drbrain> and the -P option to `gem install` and friends
<spike|spiegel> umm, it's not on the packaged gem file if it's embedded in it
<drbrain> I don't understand the difference between "on" and "in"
<spike|spiegel> signature is on metadata.gz and data.tar.gz huh
<spike|spiegel> well, I can sign it, where is the chain/web of trust?
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<drbrain> that's the part that hasn't been popular, but the cert command supports certificate chains
<drbrain> there's been people interested in implementing an alternate system, but they haven't had the spare time to complete it
<spike|spiegel> people who btw?
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<drbrain> mostly James Tucker
<spike|spiegel> umm raggi?
<drbrain> yeah
<spike|spiegel> k thanks for your patience
<spike|spiegel> and but still, marshal over wire is a bad idea
<drbrain> I'm not a cryptographer so I am nervous about altering what is currently present
<spike|spiegel> there seems to be all sorts of loop holes here
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<spike|spiegel> if I publish a gem signed, can I publish a newer version without signing it?
<drbrain> yes, as rubygems.org does not enforce anything wrt signatures
<spike|spiegel> that makes this pointless, pretty much
<spike|spiegel> unless users always expect gems to be signed
<drbrain> rubygems (the client) could also pin a gem name to a certificate and complain when it changes
<spike|spiegel> don't let it to the user to decide. period.
<drbrain> … on different versions
<drbrain> yeah
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<spike|spiegel> transfering ownership would be another nice topic :)
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<drbrain> yeah
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<spike|spiegel> drbrain: interesting thought :) can gems names contain non-pritable characters? higher plane unicode chars?
<drbrain> on rubygems.org, no
<drbrain> for `gem install foo.gem` yes (if your FS supports it)
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<spike|spiegel> awww, sad, so much fun lost :)
<mistym> So I can't name a gem, say, "
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<drbrain> mistym: as a git gem via bundler you probably can
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<erikh> ¡.gem
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<GarethAdams> opinion question: If you were writing a general purpose gem today (for example, a library providing access to a web API), would you make much effort to make it 1.8 compatible (old style hashes, any reliance on hash order, encodings if relevant)?
<drbrain> GarethAdams: I wouldn't bother at all
<apeiros> GarethAdams: nope
<apeiros> 1.8 is dead
<erikh> please keep it that way
<GarethAdams> good stuff
<drbrain> I maintain 1.8 support for some old gems
<spike|spiegel> GarethAdams: what old style hashes? they are *still* best way to write hashes.
<Nilium> Probably shouldn't bother.
<apeiros> GarethAdams: you can always leave that to the community
<apeiros> as in: if someone really needs 1.8 support - fork & patch please
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<mistym> I support back to 1.8.2 where I absolutely need it but not sure it's worth it if you don't have a usecase for 1.8, and it's really extra bother that no one probably needs
<drbrain> mistym: I'm sorry
<Nilium> If someone needs 1.8 support, tell them to fix their stupid code. >_>
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<erikh> not always that simple
<Nilium> For them, no, but it's simple for you to say it.
<mistym> drbrain: On the plus side I encounter some gloriously bizarre bugs in the ruby stdlib of that era and that's its own kind of fun
<Nilium> It's up to them to figure out the details.
<erikh> welp. back to work.
<erikh> drbrain: you get shadowrun yet?!?!?!
<erikh> because OMG
<GarethAdams> thanks all
<drbrain> erikh: not yet
<Nilium> Shadowrun's fun. Didn't feel like the combat had any difficulty to at all, but fun.
<Nilium> to it, even
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<_tockitj> if there is a class C which includes module M, and overrides method meth defined in M#meth, is there a way to call M#meth from C#meth ?
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<banisterfiend> _tockitj: yeah
<banisterfiend> _tockitj: super :P
<_tockitj> there is! how? :D
<_tockitj> it will work? it is not real inheritance ?
<_tockitj> just a sec - will try
<banisterfiend> It'll work, it is real inheritance
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<_tockitj> how is it inheritance :D
<Nilium> Alternatively, you can also alias the method before including the module if you want the original method to still be available.
<_tockitj> ah, right - modules introduce proxy classes :D
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<jperry> drbrain and spiegel: sorry had to run to a meeting, looks like you guys had a good discussion there :)
<_tockitj> yeah - seems like a sound reason for aliasing, but if super works - the better :)
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<jperry> so back to my point sounds like there isn't an easy way to get a list of gems in rubygems.org that contain my gem
<jperry> I could smash the server to get that info right but sounds like it's not a good idea
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<slash_nick> jperry: search github... look for file matches... look for file matches that are in gemspecs.
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<_tockitj> hmm.. since ruby classes are open - included modules could be placed in different files
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<_tockitj> so inheritance chain depends on the list of require statements too
<_tockitj> which is kind of suprising
<_tockitj> hmmmz.. though if one has too many methods with same name in his code, order of require statements will be least of his concernes
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<_tockitj> singleton class is always the last class (if at all) in the inheritance chain ?
<_tockitj> or rather - is there a way to inherit a singleton class ?
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<zenspider> wtf are you doing?
<zenspider> jperry: contain? or depend on?
<_tockitj> just contemplating on ruby
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<_tockitj> trying to figure it out :)
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<zenspider> _tockitj: menturbation
<zenspider> write code you actually need
<_tockitj> huh, this is a way of learning too, no?
<zenspider> not a very efficient one imo
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<zenspider> drbrain: do you know how to use the reverse_dependencies api on rubygems.org ? I couldn't get it to work at all last night
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<_tockitj> zenspider, thanks
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<zenspider> for?
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<ddfreyne> FOR EVERYTHING
<ddfreyne> zenspider: you have my random gratitude too
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<zenspider> :P
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<zenspider> grr... looks like freeimage is sending warnings to their error handler function
<zenspider> fuckers
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<_tockitj> zenspider, for opinion
<_tockitj> & everything :)
<_tockitj> you did lots of awesome code
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<zenspider> hah! I helped on a python problem...
<zenspider> it's been a really really long time since I coded in it... also, blech
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