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threedaymonk>
Is it possible to find out how much memory a Ruby process is using from inside that process?
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Andrevan>
threedaymonk, well, you can shell out to a unix command
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Andrevan>
there are lots of ways to do that, but one easy one is: `ps aux`
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threedaymonk>
Andrevan: yeah, sure. I mean, does Ruby expose that information?
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Andrevan>
I don't think so
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Andrevan>
you could use a profiler
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Andrevan>
ruby-prof
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Andrevan>
it has a method called measure_memory
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threedaymonk>
Ah, found it. GC::Profiler.
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threedaymonk>
I was sure I'd seen it somewhere in the core
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threedaymonk>
And there's GC.malloc_allocated_size
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Andrevan>
I think that would just be for garbage collection threedaymonk
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threedaymonk>
that's fine - it's only the heap size I'm interested int
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and even then, only for comparative measurements
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Andrevan>
fair enough then
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threedaymonk: there's probably something in /proc/
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Rylai>
but that's not really portable
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whitequark>
yorickpeterse: you can do this with any language compiling to LLVM
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whitequark>
but it's pointless
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whitequark>
because interfacing with outside world sucks
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yorickpeterse>
whitequark: it was a joke
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yorickpeterse>
I'd rather compile X to JS directly so you can more easily call JS code
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whitequark>
don't joke about JS
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whitequark>
because someone's gonna do that seriously
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yorickpeterse>
embedded JS
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whitequark>
yes, fuck^Wthank you
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yorickpeterse>
JS for medical devices
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yorickpeterse>
what the
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erikh>
industrial JS
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erikh>
JS for factory automation
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whitequark>
yorickpeterse: YES EXACTLY
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yorickpeterse>
"Guys, the factory exploded because one tiny piece of the JS code broke"
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erikh>
(actually, JS for medical and factory automation would probably not be a bad idea)
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yorickpeterse>
"WE KNEW WE SHOULD'VE USED SEMICOLONS!"
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whitequark>
erikh: probably a really bad one.
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whitequark>
did you know
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erikh>
better alternative to the pacemaker hack that was supposed to be released RSN
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whitequark>
that DoD prohibits non-statically typed languages in its projects?
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erikh>
they looooooove ada
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whitequark>
that too
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yorickpeterse>
static typing prevents bugs
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erikh>
ada: for when anal retention just isn't enough
* yorickpeterse
runs
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whitequark>
yorickpeterse: it does
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erikh>
it can also be pretty inflexible
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erikh>
see: interfaces in go
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erikh>
they're basically a giant hack.
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whitequark>
erikh: type system of C, C++ and, it seems, Go is a joke
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whitequark>
don't mention it when discussing static typing. use something non-braindead as an example
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erikh>
Go's typing is pretty sane if you look past interfaces
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erikh>
and interface use is generally discouraged if it's not necessary
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whitequark>
Go doesn't have variant types, I think
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erikh>
no, that's what interfaces are for
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whitequark>
and interfaces are a crude hack to get some of their features back
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whitequark>
for example you can't do exhaustive matching with interfaces
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whitequark>
rob's aversion to ADTs is dumb
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erikh>
the whole type punning mess that's needed to work with them is pretty bad to
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erikh>
it unfortunately feels like a huge bolt-on
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erikh>
I still think the language is great, it's just a pretty significant wart
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erikh>
void* is more obvious
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whitequark>
and unsafe
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erikh>
kind of like the thought process was, "we want hard basic static typing"
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erikh>
then, "well shit, we can't do x y z -- let's make a new thing to let us do that"
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whitequark>
I'd say, "we want memory safety, period"
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whitequark>
and that is a very good requirement
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whitequark>
we've already have more than enough buffer overflows for the next hundred years or so.
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erikh>
no, I really do love go
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erikh>
just not a fan of interfaces is all
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erikh>
kind of like class << self in ruby
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whitequark>
I like go because it's better than C and all the C programmers seem to like Go :)
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erikh>
almost never used properly
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whitequark>
so, it's a net reduction of crap
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whitequark>
always a good thing, even if the language itself is sub-par (some parts of it are.).
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erikh>
no language is perfect
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erikh>
not even haskell.
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erikh>
lisp in its purest form may be perfect; but you won't do shit with it in that form
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whitequark>
that's not a reason to stop striving for perfection.
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erikh>
nah, it's just a pragmatism vs. idealism issue
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whitequark>
as I said: if it's a net reduction of shit in the world, it's good :)
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erikh>
C is attractive to systems dev because it's entrenched and there's lots of solid tooling around it.
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erikh>
similar to perl and CPAN of days past
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erikh>
you can get a looooot done with CPAN
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erikh>
and these days, the libraries you'd care about are absurdly mature
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erikh>
unfortunately, the language is a bit in a state of limbo politically.
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whitequark>
sooo the latest libpng vulnerability was at 10 July 2012
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erikh>
makes it very unattractive from a longevity perspective
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whitequark>
yeah, mature.
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yorickpeterse>
I can't wait for the day JS replaces C
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whitequark>
yorickpeterse: just shut up
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erikh>
yorickpeterse: you are the worst troll ever
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yorickpeterse>
hahaha
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whitequark>
erikh: (limbo) well, C11's pretty good
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whitequark>
for C at least
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erikh>
perl, not C.
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erikh>
they have mass public perception problems, and infighting in the community makes getting things done(tm) hard.
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erikh>
then there's the whole perl 6 thing.
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erikh>
anyhow, i clearly need sleep, rambling time is upon me
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whitequark>
second-system effect
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whitequark>
a really bad case.
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erikh>
well, ruby is the second system effect for many perl hackers.
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whitequark>
ruby's not intractable
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whitequark>
perl6 seems to be
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erikh>
oh, perl 6. yeah.
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erikh>
perl 6 is basically a research project.
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whitequark>
ruby is dangerously close to being intractable
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whitequark>
but thankfully it isn't
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erikh>
you're not doing ops stuff.
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erikh>
frankly, ruby's gonna be quite viable in ops for a long time
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whitequark>
by "intractable" I mean alternative implementations
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whitequark>
if it's not clear
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whitequark>
that implies that you can actually have solid tooling and so on
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erikh>
well, perl 6 is specced similarly to rust
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erikh>
fairly well, but very volatile
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erikh>
ruby is not specced very well, last I checked.
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whitequark>
perl 6 seems really huge to me.
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whitequark>
that's the problem.
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erikh>
it's an amalgam of haskell and perl 5 and C++ and java and and and
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whitequark>
exactly
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erikh>
arguably, perl 5 is a pretty complicated language too
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erikh>
there are lots of edges
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erikh>
anyhow. really need to pass out.
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erikh>
night folks
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rolfb>
gem sources shows gems.rubyforge.org on rubygems 2.0.5 ... this is wrong right?
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zzak>
how come everytime you come around? my london bridge wanna go down?
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yorickpeterse>
your what?
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drbrain: you there?
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KINGSABRI>
hi guys
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banisterfiend>
hey guy
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KINGSABRI>
hellome, banisterfiend :)
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banisterfiend, Hi :)
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I tried to call it as class but it dosn't work :(
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KINGSABRI>
I tried to call it without instance to update String class to but still doen't work Xss::Ui::Console::Prints::Color::String.new
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hagabaka>
is it allowed to reopen a class, redefine initialize, and call super in it to use the old initialize?
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