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<zzak> ddfreyne: technically in that case, bundler is a development dependency
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<crankharder> whats w/ the syntax of Marshal.dump's first arg?
<crankharder> + (Object) dump(obj[, anIO], limit = -1)
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<yfeldblum> crankharder, what do you mean? what's the particular aspect that is confusing?
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<crankharder> obj[, anIO]
<crankharder> what is that
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<crankharder> optional second arg? that might be an IO obj?
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<heftig> crankharder: yes.
<heftig> marshal will then write to the IO instead of returning a String
<heftig> less memory-intensive if you serialize a large object
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<ericwood> it's more delicious if you cerealize it instead
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<yfeldblum> crankharder, the part between brackets is optional, so that translates to: either (a) dump(obj, limit = -1) or (b) dump(obj, anIO, limit = -1)
<yfeldblum> crankharder, this is a fairly common notation with the brackets, so you will likely start seeing it in a lot of places
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<ddfreyne> zzak: good point (about bundler being a dev dependency)
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<maloik> hey
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<pellis> hello
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<pellis> i'm trying to find an up-to-date RSS parsing library.. but looks like all or most libs are old and have problems with 1.9.x ... anyone have a recommendation?
<yorickpeterse> You can just use an arbitrary XML parser for that (e.g. Nokogiri)
<lianj> pellis: feedzirra
<pellis> lianj: but feedzirra has autoload which is problematic with threads..?
<pellis> also, i've seen various comments about it randomly returning '0'
<lianj> i use it and its /great/
<pellis> lianj: in threaded scenario?
<lianj> no, but i don't see how autoload would hurt in feedzirra case
<pellis> yorickpeterse: that's what simple-rss and various other gems are. i prefer to leave rewriting such a library as a last-resort
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<yorickpeterse> pellis: autoload isn't an issue if things are loaded before starting your stuff
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<pellis> yorickpeterse: what do you mean 'things are loaded before..'
<pellis> if they are loaded before, then what's the point of autoload
<pellis> and i only need the parsing, not the fetch and not the state keeping of feedzirra
<yorickpeterse> As in, don't start randomly loading classes during runtime when you're in a multi-threaded environment
<pellis> if i had more time i'd tear apart feedzirra and break those into modules and perhaps make a 'zirra-parser' gem... would that make sense?
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<ljarvis> fuck you monday
<pellis> i don't think curb is a dependency that people are willing to take anymore.. it was relevant in 2009 but isn't cool anymore
<lianj> pellis: why, you can use feedzilla just to parse and not fetch
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: this Monday is starting wonderfully with typical British weather
<pellis> lianj: it takes curb as dependency which breaks a path of going JRuby when I need to. also i generally prefer native ruby stuff... this way when things break you don't have to waste time on segfaults
<yorickpeterse> and I don't even live in the cameron police state
<lianj> pellis: its easy to fake load a curb stub and drop the dependency if you don't use that part of the code
<lianj> but anyhow, feedzirra was just my answer to your simple question
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<pellis> lianj: yeah i've summed it down to feedzirra and feed-normalizer. feed-normalizer has some compatibility problems with 1.9.x which i don't want in production
<maloik> ljarvis: right on
<maloik> assholes cleaning our building's facade starting their sanding machines at like 7.30 this morning
<maloik> right in front of our appartment
<maloik> not a good way to wake up
<maloik> it's been going for like 2 weeks, still over a month to go zzz
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<ljarvis> i broke everything
<ljarvis> im ready for friday
<maloik> D:
<yorickpeterse> At least you didn't break it on Friday
<yorickpeterse> dumbass
<ljarvis> I did
<yorickpeterse> lol
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<apeiros> :D
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<zachlatta> I hate to be "that guy", but are any of you in the mood to answer a question on Rails? I've found this room to be much more active than #rails (and have struggled to get a response there).
<ljarvis> zachlatta: what's the question?
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<mootpointer> zachlatta: #rubyonrails tends to be very active.
<zachlatta> My current models are set up as shown in http://files.zachlatta.com/G6q4. Students have information on learning targets that is specific to them (their progress on it). If a student modifies the progress on a learning target, all other students see it. I'm having trouble figuring out how to handle information specific to a student that applies to every unit created in courses that they're a part of. Any suggestions on how to do
<zachlatta> this?
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<zachlatta> mootpointer: wow, never knew that channel existed. i'll ask the question there, thanks.
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<ljarvis> ah just noticed you said #rails, yeah #ror is where you want to be
<MouseTheLuckyDog> I'm seeing somethign very weird. The following line:
<MouseTheLuckyDog> ent=Dir("./").new.entries
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<ljarvis> Dir() is not a method
<ljarvis> Dir.new('./').entries
<ljarvis> no need for the / either
<MouseTheLuckyDog> generates an error undefined method Dir for main:Object
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<lianj> normal ruby?
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> ljarvis, I've got it in a ton of other scripts and they all seem to accept it.
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<ljarvis> MouseTheLuckyDog: You sure it's not Dir[]?
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<ljarvis> afaik there is no Dir() method anywhere in core, so unless you/someone added it, it won't work
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<apeiros> method(:Dir).source_location
<apeiros> if it really exists, this is how you figure out where it's being added.
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<whitequark> apeiros: not if it's defined in C (which it probably would)
<apeiros> since it's not from core, I'd say it's unlikely to be in C
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<tbuehlmann> heyhey, enumerable/enumerator question! I have an unsorted tree (implemented using simple nodes) and each node can have several descendants. now I want to implement #each. it works fine doing it this way: https://gist.github.com/tbuehlmann/6267449, but I don't know how to build an #<Enumerator> which I can return when no block is given. ideas?
<whitequark> return to_enum(:each) unless block_given?
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<ddfreyne> checking whether -lpthread saves the day... no
<ddfreyne> NO!
<whitequark> checking whether the build system is sane... build system is grinning and holding a spatula, guess not
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<ddfreyne> postmodern: thanks for chruby
<ddfreyne> (randomly)
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<tbuehlmann> whitequark, um, and that works without it evaluating the whole descendants hierarchy beforehand?
<postmodern> ddfreyne, your welcome, glad it's working out for you :)
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<tbuehlmann> this just seems to work, it's voodoo.
<tbuehlmann> thank you
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<tbuehlmann> heh, though node.each.next segfaults on 1.9.2-p320. trying 1.9.3 now..
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<whitequark> tbuehlmann: yes, without
<whitequark> internally it creates a fiber
<tbuehlmann> and it gives away execution at "yield", right?
<whitequark> yea
<tbuehlmann> great
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<banisterfiend> tbuehlmann: i think internally it just does something like this: Enumerator.new { |y| col.each { |v| y << v } }
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<tbuehlmann> I see..
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> If I do a IO.popen, how can I wait until the command finishes?
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<ledestin> MouseTheLuckyDog: Process.wait in another thread
<ledestin> MouseTheLuckyDog: well, or in the same. depends on what you want.
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<maloik> Ooooh shiny, stripe belgian beta invite
<maloik> up and running in like 5sec... take that paymill and braintree
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<yorickpeterse> wait they're doing Belgium now as well?
<yorickpeterse> I wonder when they're going to take on Dutch bureaucracy
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: https://stripe.com/global
<maloik> it seems they're at exactly the same stage with the netherlands
<ledestin> why stripe matters?
<maloik> because as far as I can tell they are easy to integrate and pretty hassle-free
<yorickpeterse> ledestin: because payments are a pain
<yorickpeterse> You want to receive payments on a CC without the banks fucking you over? HAHA, good luck
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<yorickpeterse> You want to use your regular bank? HAHA, good luck with international payments
<yorickpeterse> etc
<ledestin> I thought with all those ecommerce sites around there was a solution
<maloik> it's called stripe
<maloik> :D
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<yorickpeterse> ledestin: they either use Paypal or bend over to Mastercard/Visa
<ledestin> aha
<yorickpeterse> or if lucky use something provided by their bank
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<maloik> using paypal is usually also bending over, except they don't tell you to when you sign up but only after a while
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<maloik> "so... you've been with us a while and your business seems to do well... we're just going to go ahead and freeze all your money"
<yorickpeterse> FUCK YEAH, stripe is in NL too
<yorickpeterse> and yeah
<yorickpeterse> Paypal is terrible for business if you like actually getting money
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<ddfreyne> Ugh
<ddfreyne> Stripe is in Belgium, but not in Germany
<ddfreyne> Doh.
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<ljarvis> yeah there was a long discussion on HN about that
<ddfreyne> And I just moved from Belgium to Germany
<ddfreyne> Although... I could still use it, I guess
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<ljarvis> I think the outcome was "fuck germany"
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<yorickpeterse> Germany is...well..it's own thing
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<yorickpeterse> ok fuckit, I'm going to make a list of websites that impose stupid password rules
<yorickpeterse> because I'm done with it
<ljarvis> yeah that'll help
<yorickpeterse> passive aggressive protesting
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<PaulePanter> >> /([aeiou]\w){2}/.match("Caenorhabditis elegans")
<eval-in> PaulePanter => #<MatchData "enor" 1:"or"> (https://eval.in/43831)
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<PaulePanter> I do not understand, why it is »en« and not »ae«
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<PaulePanter> (This is from the Ruby Regexp documentation <http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Regexp.html>.)
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<whitequark> that's equivalent to [aeiou]\w[aeiou]\w
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<whitequark> "n" in "aeno" wouldn't match
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<PaulePanter> whitequark: Thanks. In my mind I expanded it incorrectly to
<PaulePanter> >> /[aeiou]\w.+?[aeiou]/.match("Caenorhabditis elegans")
<eval-in> PaulePanter => #<MatchData "aeno"> (https://eval.in/43837)
<PaulePanter> >> /[aeiou]\w.+?[aeiou]\w/.match("Caenorhabditis elegans")
<eval-in> PaulePanter => #<MatchData "aenor"> (https://eval.in/43839)
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<yorickpeterse> oh man, I've stumbled upon another retrowave music goldmine in Youtube
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<yorickpeterse> very naice
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<Dernise> If I fork a process that is connected to another via TCP sockets, would I be able to send data via the child process?
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<heftig> sure
<pipework> Dernise: Yeah.
<pipework> You inherit file descriptors.
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<Dernise> pipework: Cool ! thanks!
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<yorickpeterse> I have a merge conflict in a Git submodule, that I have not ever modified
<yorickpeterse> what the fuck Git
<yorickpeterse> what the fuck
<bougyman> someone rebase on you?
<ljarvis> no u
<yorickpeterse> hm worse, the jackass moved the repository
<yorickpeterse> well it's zencoding, never use that anyway
<bougyman> nice
<yorickpeterse> rm -rf all the things
* yorickpeterse mumbles about he should've never used submodules for his dotfiles
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<heftig> String#lines is an alias for #each_line on 1.9 but returns an Array on 2.0, right?
<pipework> yorickpeterse: git-subtree bruv
<yorickpeterse> I still have to look into that
<yorickpeterse> pretty sure that similar to everything else in Git it's a massive Yak
<yorickpeterse> more like git-yaktree amirite?
<pipework> I wouldn't know, it's actually a really neat way of handling the situation.
<ljarvis> more like git-yoricktree amirite
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<pipework> It's a yak in the same way that ruby is perl's yak.
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: shut it Mr "I give up on life"
<ljarvis> :(
<ljarvis> minaswan
<yorickpeterse> should lift more code bra
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<pipework> Bro, do you even interpret
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<yorickpeterse> no I precompile
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<yorickpeterse> gaaahh, now I have a merge conflict in a Gemfile
<yorickpeterse> uugghhh, y u no push to the right branches
<yorickpeterse> which just means our setup is too complex
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<nightshade427> Is there a rest api or similar for ruby-doc.org. Im trying to build a apibot for ruby
<ljarvis> nightshade427: no, use ri
<nightshade427> Will do ;)
<nightshade427> Thanks
<nightshade427> ;)
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<yorickpeterse> what's up with the creepy winks
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<yorickpeterse> it's like "I'm going to bed *SUGGESTION SUGGESTION*"
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<waxjar> ;)
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<yorickpeterse> STOP WINKING AT ME
<yorickpeterse> I KNOW I'M DASHING, NO NEED TO MAKE IT CREEPY
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<waxjar> -.o
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<Dernise> how can I send a number in a fixed byte length via tcp? I mean. I'd like to send the length of the message in 4 bytes
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<erikh> check out Array#pack
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<havenwood> Dernise: Or if you're wanting to read 4 bytes of data then return: Socket.tcp_server_loop(4) do |connection|
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<havenwood> Oh, send a number in a... I didn't parse that properly. Dernise: Nevermind!
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<zenspider> RAWR!
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<pipework> zenspider: That's pretty aggressive.
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<zenspider> aye
<zenspider> I have reason to be
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<zenspider> zenweb version 3.2.0 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/08/zenweb-version-3-2-0-has-been-released.html
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<zenspider> vlad version 2.6.2 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/08/vlad-version-2-6-2-has-been-released.html
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<zenspider> sexp_processor version 4.3.0 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/08/sexp_processor-version-4-3-0-has-been-released.html
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<zenspider> hoe version 3.7.1 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/08/hoe-version-3-7-1-has-been-released.html
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<zzak_> zenspider: heyo
<pipework> zenspider: Well, you should be then! :D
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<zenspider> zzak: hey!
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<zenspider> I'm seriously considering making minitest fail a test if there were no assertions. absense of failure is not success... thoughts?
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