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zzak >
ddfreyne: technically in that case, bundler is a development dependency
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crankharder >
whats w/ the syntax of Marshal.dump's first arg?
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crankharder >
+ (Object) dump(obj[, anIO], limit = -1)
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yfeldblum >
crankharder, what do you mean? what's the particular aspect that is confusing?
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crankharder >
obj[, anIO]
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crankharder >
what is that
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crankharder >
optional second arg? that might be an IO obj?
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heftig >
crankharder: yes.
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heftig >
marshal will then write to the IO instead of returning a String
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heftig >
less memory-intensive if you serialize a large object
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ericwood >
it's more delicious if you cerealize it instead
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yfeldblum >
crankharder, the part between brackets is optional, so that translates to: either (a) dump(obj, limit = -1) or (b) dump(obj, anIO, limit = -1)
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yfeldblum >
crankharder, this is a fairly common notation with the brackets, so you will likely start seeing it in a lot of places
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ddfreyne >
zzak: good point (about bundler being a dev dependency)
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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pellis >
i'm trying to find an up-to-date RSS parsing library.. but looks like all or most libs are old and have problems with 1.9.x ... anyone have a recommendation?
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yorickpeterse >
You can just use an arbitrary XML parser for that (e.g. Nokogiri)
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lianj >
pellis: feedzirra
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pellis >
lianj: but feedzirra has autoload which is problematic with threads..?
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pellis >
also, i've seen various comments about it randomly returning '0'
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lianj >
i use it and its /great/
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pellis >
lianj: in threaded scenario?
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lianj >
no, but i don't see how autoload would hurt in feedzirra case
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pellis >
yorickpeterse: that's what simple-rss and various other gems are. i prefer to leave rewriting such a library as a last-resort
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yorickpeterse >
pellis: autoload isn't an issue if things are loaded before starting your stuff
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pellis >
yorickpeterse: what do you mean 'things are loaded before..'
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pellis >
if they are loaded before, then what's the point of autoload
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pellis >
and i only need the parsing, not the fetch and not the state keeping of feedzirra
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yorickpeterse >
As in, don't start randomly loading classes during runtime when you're in a multi-threaded environment
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pellis >
if i had more time i'd tear apart feedzirra and break those into modules and perhaps make a 'zirra-parser' gem... would that make sense?
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ljarvis >
fuck you monday
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pellis >
i don't think curb is a dependency that people are willing to take anymore.. it was relevant in 2009 but isn't cool anymore
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lianj >
pellis: why, you can use feedzilla just to parse and not fetch
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: this Monday is starting wonderfully with typical British weather
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pellis >
lianj: it takes curb as dependency which breaks a path of going JRuby when I need to. also i generally prefer native ruby stuff... this way when things break you don't have to waste time on segfaults
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yorickpeterse >
and I don't even live in the cameron police state
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lianj >
pellis: its easy to fake load a curb stub and drop the dependency if you don't use that part of the code
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lianj >
but anyhow, feedzirra was just my answer to your simple question
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pellis >
lianj: yeah i've summed it down to feedzirra and feed-normalizer. feed-normalizer has some compatibility problems with 1.9.x which i don't want in production
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maloik >
ljarvis: right on
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maloik >
assholes cleaning our building's facade starting their sanding machines at like 7.30 this morning
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maloik >
right in front of our appartment
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maloik >
not a good way to wake up
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maloik >
it's been going for like 2 weeks, still over a month to go zzz
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ljarvis >
i broke everything
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ljarvis >
im ready for friday
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yorickpeterse >
At least you didn't break it on Friday
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yorickpeterse >
dumbass
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yorickpeterse >
lol
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I hate to be "that guy", but are any of you in the mood to answer a question on Rails? I've found this room to be much more active than #rails (and have struggled to get a response there).
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zachlatta: what's the question?
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zachlatta: #rubyonrails tends to be very active.
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My current models are set up as shown in
http://files.zachlatta.com/G6q4 . Students have information on learning targets that is specific to them (their progress on it). If a student modifies the progress on a learning target, all other students see it. I'm having trouble figuring out how to handle information specific to a student that applies to every unit created in courses that they're a part of. Any suggestions on how to do
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mootpointer: wow, never knew that channel existed. i'll ask the question there, thanks.
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ah just noticed you said #rails, yeah #ror is where you want to be
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I'm seeing somethign very weird. The following line:
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MouseTheLuckyDog >
ent=Dir("./").new.entries
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Dir() is not a method
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Dir.new('./').entries
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no need for the / either
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generates an error undefined method Dir for main:Object
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normal ruby?
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ljarvis, I've got it in a ton of other scripts and they all seem to accept it.
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MouseTheLuckyDog: You sure it's not Dir[]?
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afaik there is no Dir() method anywhere in core, so unless you/someone added it, it won't work
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method(:Dir).source_location
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if it really exists, this is how you figure out where it's being added.
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apeiros: not if it's defined in C (which it probably would)
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since it's not from core, I'd say it's unlikely to be in C
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heyhey, enumerable/enumerator question! I have an unsorted tree (implemented using simple nodes) and each node can have several descendants. now I want to implement #each. it works fine doing it this way:
https://gist.github.com/tbuehlmann/6267449 , but I don't know how to build an #<Enumerator> which I can return when no block is given. ideas?
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whitequark >
return to_enum(:each) unless block_given?
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checking whether -lpthread saves the day... no
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whitequark >
checking whether the build system is sane... build system is grinning and holding a spatula, guess not
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postmodern: thanks for chruby
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(randomly)
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whitequark, um, and that works without it evaluating the whole descendants hierarchy beforehand?
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ddfreyne, your welcome, glad it's working out for you :)
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this just seems to work, it's voodoo.
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thank you
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heh, though node.each.next segfaults on 1.9.2-p320. trying 1.9.3 now..
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tbuehlmann: yes, without
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internally it creates a fiber
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and it gives away execution at "yield", right?
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tbuehlmann: i think internally it just does something like this: Enumerator.new { |y| col.each { |v| y << v } }
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I see..
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If I do a IO.popen, how can I wait until the command finishes?
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MouseTheLuckyDog: Process.wait in another thread
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MouseTheLuckyDog: well, or in the same. depends on what you want.
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Ooooh shiny, stripe belgian beta invite
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maloik >
up and running in like 5sec... take that paymill and braintree
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yorickpeterse >
wait they're doing Belgium now as well?
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I wonder when they're going to take on Dutch bureaucracy
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it seems they're at exactly the same stage with the netherlands
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ledestin >
why stripe matters?
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because as far as I can tell they are easy to integrate and pretty hassle-free
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yorickpeterse >
ledestin: because payments are a pain
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You want to receive payments on a CC without the banks fucking you over? HAHA, good luck
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yorickpeterse >
You want to use your regular bank? HAHA, good luck with international payments
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etc
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ledestin >
I thought with all those ecommerce sites around there was a solution
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it's called stripe
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ledestin: they either use Paypal or bend over to Mastercard/Visa
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or if lucky use something provided by their bank
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using paypal is usually also bending over, except they don't tell you to when you sign up but only after a while
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"so... you've been with us a while and your business seems to do well... we're just going to go ahead and freeze all your money"
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yorickpeterse >
FUCK YEAH, stripe is in NL too
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and yeah
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Paypal is terrible for business if you like actually getting money
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Stripe is in Belgium, but not in Germany
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ljarvis >
yeah there was a long discussion on HN about that
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ddfreyne >
And I just moved from Belgium to Germany
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Although... I could still use it, I guess
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I think the outcome was "fuck germany"
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Germany is...well..it's own thing
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ok fuckit, I'm going to make a list of websites that impose stupid password rules
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yorickpeterse >
because I'm done with it
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ljarvis >
yeah that'll help
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passive aggressive protesting
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>> /([aeiou]\w){2}/.match("Caenorhabditis elegans")
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PaulePanter >
I do not understand, why it is »en« and not »ae«
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that's equivalent to [aeiou]\w[aeiou]\w
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"n" in "aeno" wouldn't match
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whitequark: Thanks. In my mind I expanded it incorrectly to
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>> /[aeiou]\w.+?[aeiou]/.match("Caenorhabditis elegans")
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>> /[aeiou]\w.+?[aeiou]\w/.match("Caenorhabditis elegans")
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oh man, I've stumbled upon another retrowave music goldmine in Youtube
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very naice
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If I fork a process that is connected to another via TCP sockets, would I be able to send data via the child process?
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Dernise: Yeah.
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You inherit file descriptors.
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pipework: Cool ! thanks!
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yorickpeterse >
I have a merge conflict in a Git submodule, that I have not ever modified
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yorickpeterse >
what the fuck Git
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yorickpeterse >
what the fuck
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bougyman >
someone rebase on you?
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yorickpeterse >
hm worse, the jackass moved the repository
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yorickpeterse >
well it's zencoding, never use that anyway
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yorickpeterse >
rm -rf all the things
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* yorickpeterse
mumbles about he should've never used submodules for his dotfiles
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heftig >
String#lines is an alias for #each_line on 1.9 but returns an Array on 2.0, right?
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pipework >
yorickpeterse: git-subtree bruv
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yorickpeterse >
I still have to look into that
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yorickpeterse >
pretty sure that similar to everything else in Git it's a massive Yak
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yorickpeterse >
more like git-yaktree amirite?
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pipework >
I wouldn't know, it's actually a really neat way of handling the situation.
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ljarvis >
more like git-yoricktree amirite
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pipework >
It's a yak in the same way that ruby is perl's yak.
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: shut it Mr "I give up on life"
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yorickpeterse >
should lift more code bra
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pipework >
Bro, do you even interpret
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yorickpeterse >
no I precompile
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yorickpeterse >
gaaahh, now I have a merge conflict in a Gemfile
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yorickpeterse >
uugghhh, y u no push to the right branches
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yorickpeterse >
which just means our setup is too complex
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nightshade427 >
Is there a rest api or similar for ruby-doc.org. Im trying to build a apibot for ruby
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ljarvis >
nightshade427: no, use ri
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nightshade427 >
Will do ;)
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nightshade427 >
Thanks
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yorickpeterse >
what's up with the creepy winks
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yorickpeterse >
it's like "I'm going to bed *SUGGESTION SUGGESTION*"
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yorickpeterse >
STOP WINKING AT ME
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yorickpeterse >
I KNOW I'M DASHING, NO NEED TO MAKE IT CREEPY
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Dernise >
how can I send a number in a fixed byte length via tcp? I mean. I'd like to send the length of the message in 4 bytes
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erikh >
check out Array#pack
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havenwood >
Dernise: Or if you're wanting to read 4 bytes of data then return: Socket.tcp_server_loop(4) do |connection|
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havenwood >
Oh, send a number in a... I didn't parse that properly. Dernise: Nevermind!
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pipework >
zenspider: That's pretty aggressive.
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I have reason to be
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zenspider: heyo
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zenspider: Well, you should be then! :D
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zzak: hey!
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I'm seriously considering making minitest fail a test if there were no assertions. absense of failure is not success... thoughts?
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