#ruby-lang on 2013-07-11 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-06-29 12:33 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

00:00 <postmodern> `debug': malformed format string - %l (ArgumentError)

00:00 <drbrain> "The message is identical to a printf(3) format string, except that `%m' is replaced by the current error message."

00:00 <postmodern> ugh

00:00 <drbrain> postmodern: so you're pretty much asking for exploits logging user input to syslog

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00:01 <postmodern> where is the documentation for syslog.debug ?

00:02 <postmodern> drbrain, is the format string being interpreted by printf(3) or ruby's printf ?

00:02 <drbrain> debug is a metaprogrammed method

00:02 <drbrain> postmodern: stdlib printf

00:02 <drbrain> Syslog is a thin wrapper

00:02 <drbrain> postmodern: you probably want to use Syslog::Logger

00:02 <postmodern> drbrain, ok that shouldn't be a problem, only libc printf is vulnerable to format strings, last i checked stdlib printf counts the arguments

00:03 <postmodern> drbrain, yes actually i do, but this code is still stuck on 1.9.3 ;)

00:03 <drbrain> postmodern: sorry, I meant libc printf

00:04 <drbrain> if you log through %s you'll be fine '%s', user_input_containing_message

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00:05 <postmodern> drbrain, so syslog_write calls rb_f_sprintf

00:05 <drbrain> ah, I did not know

00:06 <postmodern> drbrain, which calls rb_str_format, which appears to check arguments

00:07 <postmodern> drbrain, so i guess i could do gsub('%', '%')

00:07 <drbrain> postmodern: I would syslog.debug '%s', message

00:07 <postmodern> drbrain, even better

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00:09 <postmodern> drbrain, excellent that did it

00:09 <postmodern> Syslog::Logger, another reason to upgrade

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00:10 <drbrain> I guess I need to release the gem for backwards compatibility

00:10 <drbrain> there's the old-style gem still

00:10 <drbrain> … not fully compatible with what's in ruby 2

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03:33 <gnufied> check

03:34 <gnufied> grr, nickserv. finally I got my voice back

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04:30 <nuoymit> what's the diff between #ruby and #ruby-lang

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04:42 <gnufied> #ruby is for discussing about ruby the stone, #ruby-lang is about ruby the programming language

04:42 <gnufied> :P

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04:44 <xuser> nuoymit: I guess this one is the official since its mentioned in ruby-lang.org

04:45 <xuser> nuoymit: don't search how many rails channels are there ;)

04:45 <nuoymit> just wanted to know where to ask my ruby question :P

04:46 <xuser> nuoymit: In any of the two I guess

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04:47 <zzak__> gnufied: must be nice

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07:39 <Joni_79> Hi. I'm trying to create a proxy class: https://gist.github.com/vuorejo1/5973317 Idea is that I can call it like Analyzer.new(OtherClass.new) or Analyzer.new(OtherClass.some_method) and record at least what methods were used calling OtherClass. How can I extract that info from @object?

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07:41 <Joni_79> I've been reading about attr_accessor and attr_reader / attr_writer but I'm not sure if they are usefull here

07:41 <Nilium> You probably want to replace all the methods on the object, then.

07:41 <Joni_79> should I just try to take the target_object parameter and do some string operations it to extract the method name?

07:42 <Nilium> Unless I'm not understanding what you're asking.

07:43 <Nilium> are you asking how to attach something to an object such that it knows every method called by something using the given object?

07:43 <Joni_79> I wish that the OtherClass.something call works as it would without the proxy, but I also want to record what methods were used to call it

07:43 <Nilium> So you want to know callee, not the method being called?

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07:44 <Joni_79> I want to know the method being called

07:44 <Joni_79> and record it to an array perhaps

07:44 <Joni_79> probably array :)

07:45 <Joni_79> my problem is that after I've stored that call into @object I do not know how to analyze it to extract the method name

07:46 <Joni_79> afk for 20 min

07:47 <Nilium> I.. do not follow.. stored a call into @object?

07:47 <Nilium> You haven't stored a call to anything. You've stored an object.

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07:52 <injekt> moin

07:52 <injekt> maloik: sorry I dropped the ball on that gist, I'd pretty much write it how whitequark does in parser, use standard inheritance for commands

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07:57 <Joni_79> Nilium: ok. So I've stored an object. Can I somehow after that find out some properties about the object?

07:58 <Nilium> How about you be specific about the properties.

07:58 <Nilium> I'm not going to guess at what you're doing because you want to be vague about it.

07:58 <Joni_79> it should be generic, eg. It's just a proxy between that stores data about the calls passed to it

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07:59 <Nilium> So do you know about send and method_missing?

07:59 <Nilium> 'Cause I just whipped up a quick script that does that.

07:59 <Joni_79> something little about send and I've seen method_missing? but don't really know what it does

07:59 <Nilium> So what do you do if you don't know about these things?

08:00 <Joni_79> Nilium: I try to learn..? :)

08:00 <Nilium> Well, "check the documentation" was what I was aiming for, but close enough.

08:00 <Joni_79> that's the meta level, I'm trying to learn stuff

08:00 <Nilium> .. What?

08:01 <Nilium> When did documentation become meta-level?

08:01 <Joni_79> Ruby in general is what I'm trying to learn

08:01 <Nilium> What hideous awful terrible despicable person taught you that?

08:01 <Nilium> You learn Ruby by reading the documentation and then doing things.

08:01 <Joni_79> and this specific problem is what I'm trying to solve now, and documentation is the place I've been reading, but in the wrong places it seems

08:01 <Nilium> You don't go "well I'll do this and then read the docs and figure out what I actually did"

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08:02 <Joni_79> yes, well thanks for you help. I'll go read about those methods you pointed out. thanks.

08:03 <Nilium> Really, what you want to do takes a maybe 15 lines or os, so it's not hard if you just know what you're looking for.

08:03 <Nilium> *so

08:04 <Joni_79> I'm so noob that I don't always know what I'm looking for. :/

08:04 <Nilium> That's why I pointed you towards send and method_missing

08:07 <injekt> meta documentation!

08:08 <injekt> also, just open irb and do something

08:08 <Nilium> I'm having fun with this whole overriding send/method_missing thing.

08:08 <Nilium> Though the only practical use I've had for it was generating swizzle functions for vectors.

08:09 <injekt> >> class Foo; def method_missing(m, *); puts "You called #{m} but it doesnt exist omg"; end; end; Foo.new.zomg

08:09 <eval-in> injekt => You called zomg but it doesnt exist omg ... (https://eval.in/37264)

08:11 <injekt> >> class Foo; def initialize(opts) @opts = opts; end; def method_missing(m, *); @opts.key?(m.to_s.chop.to_sym); end; end; Foo.new(hello: 'world').hello?

08:11 <eval-in> injekt => true (https://eval.in/37265)

08:12 <Nilium> A very, very, very large moth just crashed into my window several times.

08:12 <Nilium> I want to capture it and keep it as a pet. Name it Sir Mothington.

08:12 <injekt> quick someone pass me the fire

08:13 <Joni_79> hmm.. Is the method name passed to a class defined to be a "message"?

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08:13 <injekt> Joni_79: in general yes, but that term isn't really used in Ruby

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08:14 <Nilium> It's more just a method name and a message because it's small-talkish

08:14 <yorickpeterse> morning

08:14 <Nilium> .. I put the dash in the wrong place

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08:15 <injekt> good morrow yorickpeterse

08:15 <Nilium> Yo.

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08:15 <Nilium> Cat outside screaming at something.

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09:28 <maloik> injekt: no worries and thanks :-) going to get back to that project tomorrow I think

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09:30 <yorickpeterse> Nilium: throw a boot at said cat

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09:49 <darix> Nilium: "release the dogs"

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10:01 <injekt> release the shotgun

10:03 <yorickpeterse> RELEASE THE KRAKEN

10:03 * yorickpeterse releases Guido van Rossum

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10:41 * injekt releases 1.4beta3-rc2

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11:15 <yorickpeterse> https://twitter.com/charliesome/status/355272399089958912 charlie discovers the land of freedom

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11:17 <gnufied> yorickpeterse: lol

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13:10 <erikh> heh

13:10 <erikh> tell him to get AT&T

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14:04 <zzak__> hi

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14:04 <zzak> TIL i learned about ghost

14:04 <zzak> s/i learned//

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14:12 <injekt> HI

14:12 <injekt> lol TIL i learned

14:12 <andrewvos> TIL TIL is the acronym for "today I learned".

14:13 <ericwood> knowledge is power

14:13 <injekt> TIH

14:14 <runeb> TIL TIL

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14:15 <ericwood> meta TIL

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14:15 <whitequark> meta meta meta meta

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14:17 <yorickpeterse> Good thing Ruby has *puts on sunglasses* meta programming

14:17 <yorickpeterse> RUUUUUUUUBBYYYYYYY!!!!

14:17 <ericwood> rubay

14:17 <ericwood> RUBAY

14:17 <ericwood> that's my contribution for the day

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14:25 <whitequark> argh rubinius

14:25 <whitequark> https://travis-ci.org/whitequark/parser/jobs/8968271

14:25 <whitequark> Y U NO WORK

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14:26 <dbussink> whitequark: older racc version?

14:26 <dbussink> whitequark: if it's a bug, please let us know :)

14:26 <whitequark> dbussink: bundler installs 1.4.9 (last) locally

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14:26 <whitequark> it should do the same on CI

14:26 <yorickpeterse> lrn2ruby

14:26 <whitequark> and, uh, I can't reproduce it. it's completely transient

14:26 <yorickpeterse> :>

14:27 <whitequark> dbussink: I can still report it (I'm completely sure it's a bug) but not sure of the value

14:27 <dbussink> transient as in?

14:27 <whitequark> it happens in one in 50 CI runs

14:27 <dbussink> happens sometimes / sometimes not? only on travis?

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14:33 <whitequark> dbussink: https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/issues/2442

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14:33 <dbussink> whitequark: ok, thanks!

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14:36 <dbussink> whitequark: any consistency you saw? Like always in 1.8 or 1.9 mode that this happens?

14:37 <whitequark> dbussink: I think I seen that in 1.8 and 1.9 alike

14:37 <whitequark> since it happened about four times, that isn't a lot of data

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14:37 <whitequark> I think you'll get some chances of catching this by just running `rake' in a loop.

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14:37 <dbussink> whitequark: right

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14:50 <crankharder> if a method is already defined somewhere, can I get its definition as a Proc somehow?

14:51 <lianj> method(:foo)

14:51 <crankharder> ty

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14:59 <injekt> fwiw if you actually want a Proc and not a Method you can call to_proc on that

14:59 <whitequark> anyone here using net-http-persistent?

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14:59 <injekt> whitequark: mechanize uses it if that counts

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15:01 <darix> injekt: one could think it was written for mechanize!;)

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15:02 <injekt> :)

15:02 <injekt> foiled!

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15:05 <whitequark> solved

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15:11 <whitequark> zenspider: ping

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15:15 <davetoxa> Hello all

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15:17 <davetoxa> How I can test this with rspec ? https://gist.github.com/davetoxa/5976361

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15:19 <injekt> davetoxa: user1.email.should == nil etc? am I missing something?

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15:19 <injekt> oh right, you should initialize decorators for each of those user objects

15:19 <injekt> ok well you've posted in both here and #ror so i'll just let them handle it

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15:20 <davetoxa> injekt, yes it is! can you help me with it ?

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15:22 <davetoxa> injekt How to initialize ?

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15:24 <injekt> davetoxa: you know how draper works right?

15:24 <davetoxa> a little bit

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15:24 <davetoxa> Let's say - yes =)

15:25 <injekt> so you know you can do UserDecorator.new(user)

15:25 <injekt> or user.decorate

15:25 <davetoxa> yes

15:25 <injekt> let(:user1) { create(...).decorate }

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15:26 <davetoxa> let(:user1) { create (:user_with_email, privacy_hash: { 'email' => '1'}).decorate }

15:26 <davetoxa> something wrong

15:27 <injekt> how specific of you

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15:27 <davetoxa> let(:user1) { create :user_with_email.decorate, privacy_hash: { 'email' => '1'} }

15:28 <davetoxa> right, is it ?

15:28 <injekt> no

15:28 <davetoxa> hm, wich way right ?

15:28 <davetoxa> I'm confused

15:28 <injekt> let(:user1) { create(...).decorate }

15:28 <injekt> i gave you the code

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15:30 <davetoxa> som in fact I cann't do this let(:user1) { create (:user_with_email, privacy_hash: { 'email' => '1'}).decorate }

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15:34 <injekt> let(:user1) { create (...).decorate }

15:34 <injekt> is not the same as

15:34 <injekt> let(:user1) { create(...).decorate }

15:34 <injekt> can you see the difference?

15:34 <davetoxa> ye

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15:36 <davetoxa> What's next?

15:36 <injekt> davetoxa: that didn't work?

15:36 <davetoxa> I did not understand how and what i need to test

15:37 <davetoxa> I know mathers, but how to test this decorator, i dont know

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15:39 <whitequark> mathers ?

15:39 <davetoxa> yes

15:39 <davetoxa> mistake =)

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15:39 <injekt> https://gist.github.com/injekt/dc95232ec74135492c7f

15:40 <injekt> no need to create 6 million users to test a single feature, just test the +/-

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15:41 <injekt> also if privacy_hash just contains '1' for the values that are private, you should consider using an array, not a hash

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15:44 <injekt> in fact, I'd do this: https://gist.github.com/injekt/59160b2d956134cd0b71

15:44 <injekt> using build also means your user object is not saved, which you dont need to do for testing decorators

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15:45 <davetoxa> In second test p user2.email == nil

15:45 <davetoxa> Why it happened ?

15:46 <injekt> davetoxa: I think this stuff might be too advanced for what you're trying to do, maybe you should start off simpler

15:47 <davetoxa> any ideas ?

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15:52 <injekt> did you set the email?

15:52 <injekt> build(:user, email: 'foo@bar.com').decorate.email.should == 'foo@bar.com'

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15:56 <yorickpeterse> zzak: ping

15:56 <yorickpeterse> hm wait, better do this in a PRIVMSG

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15:57 <whitequark> conspiring much

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15:58 <davetoxa> injekt - yes

15:58 <yorickpeterse> secret Rubyist club

15:58 <yorickpeterse> no nerds allowed

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15:58 <ericwood> jah

15:58 <davetoxa> injekt - https://gist.github.com/davetoxa/5976361

15:58 <ericwood> no nerz

15:59 <davetoxa> in every user1.email user2.email user3.email got ni;

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15:59 <injekt> davetoxa: paste User too

15:59 <davetoxa> model ?

16:00 <injekt> yes

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16:00 <davetoxa> gist updated

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16:03 <yorickpeterse> DOUBLE DEPLOY WHAT DOES IT MEAN

16:03 <yorickpeterse> hint: that this code is shit

16:03 <yorickpeterse> "Why am I not seeing any erro....oh, Airbrake is not set up"

16:03 <yorickpeterse> it's 18:00!

16:03 <yorickpeterse> Time to break things and get angry at myself

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16:10 <davetoxa> So

16:11 <yorickpeterse> HJASDKPJAHSDKJASDH AJ AIRBRAKE

16:11 <yorickpeterse> Holy shit this app is terrible

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16:11 <yorickpeterse> THIS UUID IS STILL BEING PROCESSED <- triggered more than 15 minutes ago

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16:19 <yorickpeterse> fuckit, I'm heading home

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16:21 <darix> imagine y o r i c k wouldnt have irc for ventilating

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16:47 <yorickpeterse> I'd rage more at my screen

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16:47 <yorickpeterse> also, I'm pretty sure IRC was invented to act as a digital rubber duck

16:47 <yorickpeterse> rubberducking in the cloud

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17:03 <injekt> https://gist.github.com/injekt/a62f3b2cf2990180dd0b

17:03 <injekt> sigh

17:03 <yorickpeterse> ha! I should start duck.ly: Rubberducking as a service

17:03 <yorickpeterse> in the cloud

17:03 <yorickpeterse> using mongo

17:03 <yorickpeterse> and rethinkdb

17:03 <maloik> injekt: global gemset ?

17:04 <injekt> lol gemset

17:04 <injekt> injekt does not play that

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17:04 <maloik> haha :P

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17:04 <injekt> but good point, looks like rails was installed into /usr/bin

17:04 <injekt> what in the hell is this

17:04 <yorickpeterse> wat

17:05 <yorickpeterse> (lol at those package managers that include rails)

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17:05 <injekt> I dont know what package manager would have done this

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17:07 <yorickpeterse> I present to you: Debian

17:07 <yorickpeterse> http://packages.debian.org/stable/ruby/rails

17:07 <yorickpeterse> ^ lol at the version

17:08 <yorickpeterse> oh, there's also rails3

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17:08 <injekt> Successfully installed rails-4.0.0

17:08 <injekt> 1 gem installed

17:08 <injekt> ~/code% rails -v

17:08 <injekt> zsh: command not found: rails

17:08 <injekt> k im done with computers for today

17:08 <yorickpeterse> rbenv?

17:08 <havenwood> chruby

17:08 <yorickpeterse> chruby doesn't do that

17:09 <yorickpeterse> rbenv has "The Shims (tm)"

17:09 <injekt> doesn't do what?

17:09 <yorickpeterse> http://packages.debian.org/stable/ruby/rant haha wtf

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17:09 <yorickpeterse> last release: 2006

17:09 <yorickpeterse> brb, station

17:09 <havenwood> yorickpeterse: Setting $GEM_HOME and prepending it to $PATH ought do the trick, i'd have thought.

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17:10 <havenwood> shims.. harumph!

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17:19 <hagabaka> I'm getting a "missing file" error when running "ri open": https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5977299 , I just reinstalled ruby too

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17:26 <zzak> hagabaka: this is a known bug

17:26 <hagabaka> oh

17:26 <zzak> it will be fixed in the next release of rdoc, and backported to the next patchlevel release of ruby

17:27 <matti> Hey zzak

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17:27 <zzak> hi :)

17:27 <matti> zzak: Any word from usa

17:27 <matti> ?

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17:28 <zzak> matti: do you know ticket #?

17:28 <yorickpeterse> hagabaka: or just use chruby

17:29 <zzak> how does chruby fix the rdoc bug?

17:29 <yorickpeterse> no that was re: havenwood

17:29 <havenwood> zzak: That is a new chruby feature. It fixes all upstream bugs. :P

17:30 <yorickpeterse> oh shit, I fail at mentioning

17:30 <yorickpeterse> derp

17:30 <matti> zzak: I have it somewhere.

17:30 <matti> zzak: I am kind of loosing hope ;p

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17:30 <zzak> matti: usa is very busy, i think he focus on higher priority bugs

17:31 <zzak> but if luis is ok with it, it should be ok

17:31 <matti> zzak: We need more "usa" then. One person has just became a bottleneck.

17:31 <matti> ;d

17:32 <havenwood> hagabaka: Here is the bugfix if you wanna apply it on your own rdoc or whatev: https://github.com/rdoc/rdoc/issues/222

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17:32 <matti> zzak: But I understand.

17:32 * whitequark sighs

17:33 <whitequark> downloading all gems took two hours

17:33 <whitequark> converting them to tarballs is going to take *much* longer

17:33 <whitequark> it's at "c" now and processes about one per second

17:33 <yorickpeterse> lol wat

17:33 <yorickpeterse> y u download all Gems

17:33 <zzak> there can only be one usa

17:33 <whitequark> testing parser

17:34 <yorickpeterse> wat

17:34 <yorickpeterse> you seriously downloading 25000 Gems?

17:34 <whitequark> I already did

17:34 <yorickpeterse> oh, we're at 60k these days

17:34 <whitequark> it's just eh... about 12G

17:34 <whitequark> not literally every single release; I just download latest and without prereleases

17:34 <yorickpeterse> oh? I thought it was around 25GB

17:34 <yorickpeterse> ah

17:35 <whitequark> since that doesn't make much difference

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17:35 <hagabaka> havenwood: thanks

17:35 <whitequark> then, I'll try to roundtrip all of the ruby files in them with parser

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17:35 <whitequark> oh, probably couldn't roundtrip; unparser isn't good enough yet (I think?)

17:35 <whitequark> well, then still parse and ensure that I don't crap out on more (or less) files than ruby

17:36 <yorickpeterse> is it any good?

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17:36 <whitequark> idk

17:36 <whitequark> it seems to work

17:36 <yorickpeterse> ... you didn't get it

17:36 <yorickpeterse> hold on

17:36 <whitequark> but it probably couldn't bear 25k gems

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17:37 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: https://github.com/cryptosphere/cryptosphere#is-it-any-good

17:37 <whitequark> ha

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17:55 <TvL2386> hi guys, I've been programming occasionally in Ruby for a few years now, done stuff in Rails, but keep having difficulties modeling and programming larger applications. Are there some guides out there to help one on the way of not getting lost in spaghetti code? (that's how I feel)

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17:56 <whitequark> TvL2386: try doing TDD. it (when done right) forces you to decouple your code into neat independent modules

17:56 <whitequark> and exposes all dependencies

17:56 <whitequark> at least that's how it worked for me.

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17:57 <whitequark> Rails apps also naturally tend to become big entangled balls of code :)

17:58 <TvL2386> whitequark, been doing some TDD, but still having issues really kicking it off

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17:58 <TvL2386> whitequark, mostly because I can't see at forehand exactly how I want it... or how it should behave... probably means that phase needs way more attention

17:58 <whitequark> yes.

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17:59 <Uranio> it is a "metodological problem"

18:00 <TvL2386> when something pops up, I usually dive in. Creating lots of bugs and things that don't work... Lots of oopsies...

18:00 <yorickpeterse> haha wtf curb-fu doesn't load curb for you

18:00 <TvL2386> When starting TDD, would rspec be a good start?

18:01 <whitequark> most people are using rspec, though I would recommend minitest

18:01 <yorickpeterse> ...and we don't even seem to use it

18:01 <whitequark> rspec has its own language, and it isn't small. it's easy to get caught in its peculiarities.

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18:01 <whitequark> whereas minitest is just a dozen or so of functions

18:02 <whitequark> (from your perspective at least; though it isn't big itself)

18:02 <havenwood> TvL2386: +1 Minitest

18:03 <TvL2386> havenwood, thanks for the suggestion!

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18:05 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: so would you say you prefer Bacon or Minitest?

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18:05 <yorickpeterse> (given Minitest can also do BDD syntax)

18:05 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: fuck BDD

18:05 <whitequark> and while bacon is neat, it's way too minimalistic

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18:06 <whitequark> I used it in the past but I switched to minitest

18:06 <yorickpeterse> heh

18:06 <yorickpeterse> It usually suits my needs but the moment you want anything extra you have to hack things

18:06 <yorickpeterse> I mostly just need `foo.should == bar` and that's about it really

18:07 <yorickpeterse> inb4 it should be called "must" or w/e, I don't care

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18:07 <whitequark> no one does

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18:07 <whitequark> though, according to rfc2119, it should be called either `must' or `shall'

18:07 * whitequark ducks

18:08 <blowmage> assert_equal bar, foo / foo.must_equal bar

18:08 <yorickpeterse> that joke SHOULD have been funny

18:08 <blowmage> MAY

18:08 <yorickpeterse> In true rspec fashion it would be `some_value.should_equal_the_value_of(derp)`

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18:11 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: if that joke isn't funny, you are simply a noncompliant implementation

18:12 <whitequark> and your use should be discouraged and/or deprecated.

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18:15 <yorickpeterse> I'll deprecate your face

18:15 <whitequark> lol

18:16 <Uranio> whitequark: how could I lear about TDD?

18:16 <Uranio> learN

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18:16 <whitequark> Uranio: there's like 1001 resource which explains it on the web

18:17 <Uranio> TDD ruby at google do not say so much :/

18:18 <TvL2386> guys, trying minitest now for testing my gem... I have a test/test_my_lib.rb defined and testing in there for having a MyLib::VERSION. I'm getting uninitialized constant MyLib::VERSION. I suppose I need to tell minitest to include MyLib... Where should I generically set that up?

18:18 <FiXato> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=tdd+ruby&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&hl=en shows plenty of relevant links Uranio

18:18 <whitequark> TvL2386: google for "test_helper"

18:19 <blowmage> TvL2386: how are you calling your tests?

18:19 <TvL2386> whitequark, think I found something...

18:19 <blowmage> TvL2386: ruby -Ilib:test test/test_my_lib.rb

18:19 <TvL2386> blowmage, doing `rake test`

18:20 <blowmage> ^ will add lib and test to the test path

18:20 <TvL2386> some old gem that used TestUnit, no tests were ever made

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18:20 <TvL2386> I'm finding it out! Google says to create a test helper and require it in all tests... sounds obvious :)

18:21 <whitequark> yeah

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18:21 <Uranio> FiXato: ok..

18:21 <whitequark> group all the initialization there

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18:22 <blowmage> TvL2386: make sure you add "lib" to your test task's libs attribute: http://rake.rubyforge.org/classes/Rake/TestTask.html

18:25 <yorickpeterse> http://hastebin.com/lefivofigu.txt ruby-prof, y u no format correctly

18:25 <yorickpeterse> (this is the amount of object allocations)

18:25 <yorickpeterse> the .000 is a bit redundant if you'd ask me

18:26 <ericwood> .000

18:26 <whitequark> department of redundancy department

18:26 <yorickpeterse> factory

18:27 <ericwood> abstract singleton factory bean observer

18:27 <ericwood> oh man there was this amazing java class I found once that was literally something like that but I can't find it

18:28 <TvL2386> argh.... I wrote MyLib::Version instead of MyLib::VERSION.... good reason for the constant to be uninitialized

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18:28 <Nilium> I like how 'amazing' and 'java' never go together unironically.

18:28 <whitequark> http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/api/org/springframework/aop/framework/AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean.html

18:28 <whitequark> I have this in my bookmarks bar

18:28 <yorickpeterse> wait wait, I can top that

18:28 <yorickpeterse> I have a better one here somewhere

18:28 <whitequark> with http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc/apidocs/org/apache/xmlrpc/server/RequestProcessorFactoryFactory ?

18:28 <yorickpeterse> no no, an even better one

18:29 <yorickpeterse> DAMN IT WHERE IS IT

18:29 <yorickpeterse> something about some TypeThatSneakedInButShouldntBeHereFactoryFactoryWhateverItWas

18:29 <Nilium> Well, if I use Spring I can beat that on name length, at least: http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.0.x/api/org/springframework/orm/jdo/TransactionAwarePersistenceManagerFactoryProxy.html

18:29 <whitequark> Nilium: eh, that makes sense

18:29 <Nilium> Though I'm sure name length is easy to do on Java.

18:30 <ericwood> here's some java goodness: http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/api/org/springframework/aop/framework/AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean.html

18:30 <whitequark> and the one above is just 5.times.map { PATTERNS.sample }.join

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18:30 <ericwood> AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean

18:30 <whitequark> ericwood: I just posted it ;)

18:30 <Nilium> So it's an abstract singleton proxy fac- how fucking high do you need to be for the existence of that to be justifiable?

18:30 <ericwood> I think the one I was truly looking for was much worse though

18:30 <ericwood> which is hard to fathom

18:30 <whitequark> I especially like the comment on RequestProcessorFactoryFactory

18:30 <ericwood> >.>

18:31 <yorickpeterse> good ol `column -t` to the rescue

18:31 <whitequark> >The default RequestProcessorFactoryFactory is the RequestProcessorFactoryFactory.RequestSpecificProcessorFactoryFactory.

18:31 <ericwood> I just want to point out that the page I linked to summarizes everything that's wrong with Java

18:31 <ericwood> oh man that just reads like poetry

18:31 <whitequark> also the doc for AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean mentions this:

18:31 <whitequark> "Convenient proxy factory bean superclass for proxy factory beans that create only singletons.

18:31 <yorickpeterse> I honestly can't imagine people writing that and thinking "Man, this is some good code. Today was a good day"

18:31 <whitequark> "convenient", my ass

18:32 <ericwood> lol

18:32 <ericwood> I could barely parse that sentence

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18:32 <ericwood> who in their right mind thinks that this is an acceptable way to live life

18:32 <ericwood> I want to know

18:32 <yorickpeterse> some nerd at Oracle

18:33 <ericwood> :'(

18:33 <ericwood> I weep for their soulds

18:33 <ericwood> *souls

18:33 <Nilium> The nerds at oracle do not enjoy it, at least I don't think they do.

18:33 <yorickpeterse> If you write that you don't have one

18:33 <Nilium> Ooo new humble bundle thing time to go waste money

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18:34 <soahccc> Anyone know why I can't kill a screen with open3's popen3? It says "screen must be connected to a terminal". With backticks it works but I can't capture the stderr

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18:35 <ericwood> you can redirect stderr to a file or some crap and read from that

18:35 <ericwood> iirc backticks only capture stdout

18:36 <soahccc> Yeah they do.. I could redirect it but I thought I could use a general approach for all commands I will call.

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18:38 <soahccc> I guess I'm missing something. The same problem is with "ssh user@host screen". You need -t "force pseudo-tty allocation"

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18:38 <ndrst> how about net/ssh?

18:39 <ndrst> if the tool you call needs a pseudo tty it's going to become tricky

18:42 <soahccc> It isn't via ssh in my case :) I do a little manager sort of application which calls a lot of things on the command line... I have a wrapper method which currently uses open3 which works generally but not for screen commands

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18:42 <yorickpeterse> damn it, it appears my code results in quite a bit of memory being used for Hash#initialize and Hash#[]=. Sadly I don't think there

18:43 <yorickpeterse> * there's a way around that

18:43 <soahccc> I could redirect stderr to stdout but a separation as with open3 would be nice

18:43 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: there is

18:43 <yorickpeterse> (less Hash objects doesn't really work)

18:43 <ericwood> you can totally redirect stderr to stdout

18:43 <whitequark> it's called "proper design" :p

18:43 <ericwood> google it I forgot how

18:43 <yorickpeterse> keyword arguments would save some Hash instances I think, but that wouldn't make it backwards compatible

18:43 <whitequark> they're hashes underneath

18:43 <yorickpeterse> hm

18:43 <ericwood> you're a hash underneath

18:43 <ericwood> we're all just hashes

18:44 <ericwood> .......

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18:44 <soahccc> ericwood: yeah I know with this 1>&2 sort of syntax but then I have one string. two separated would be better

18:45 <ericwood> I want a pony

18:45 <yorickpeterse> also interesting: using Hash#each in combination with instance_variable_set (to easily set a bunch of options) appears to be more resource intensive than using `@foo = options[:bar] || baz`

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18:45 <yorickpeterse> though the difference is very small

18:45 <ericwood> that's not interesting

18:45 <yorickpeterse> shaddap

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18:45 <ndrst> ericwood: http://dash.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/136442366518.jpg

18:46 <ericwood> that says ponychan

18:46 <ericwood> not clicking

18:46 <ndrst> it's safe

18:46 <ndrst> (:

18:46 <ndrst> http://postd.at/l/c

18:46 <ericwood> people can see my mmonitor >.>

18:46 <ndrst> no nudity no NSFW

18:47 <yorickpeterse> ok it's sfw

18:47 <ndrst> except the nude pony

18:47 <yorickpeterse> it's just some weird MS paint pony

18:47 <yorickpeterse> also wtf is ponychan

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18:47 <ericwood> I'm better off without a weird MS paint pony in my life

18:47 <ndrst> just stumbled uppon that

18:47 <yorickpeterse> suuuuuuuureee

18:47 <ndrst> i sear!

18:47 <ndrst> *swear

18:48 <ericwood> he bookmarked it

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18:49 <yorickpeterse> in regards to my benchmarking adventures, is there some lib (whatever language) where I can just slap my data in and get decent graphs for .e.g. memory usage

18:49 <ndrst> soahccc: btw tried that once, but gave up on WTF error msgs

18:49 <yorickpeterse> probably in similar vain to rrd tool

18:50 <yorickpeterse> (I don't want to hack this together in JS or some crap)

18:50 <ndrst> yorickpeterse: incanter

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18:50 <ndrst> makes nice graphs, is a bit like R though

18:50 <yorickpeterse> hmm

18:50 <yorickpeterse> this website is hideous

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18:51 <yorickpeterse> hm, this looks like gnuplot

18:51 <yorickpeterse> Ideally I'd just do "These are my axes, this is my data, have fun"

18:51 <ndrst> just with a proper language around it

18:51 <ndrst> excel

18:51 <yorickpeterse> fuck off

18:51 <ndrst> (:

18:51 <yorickpeterse> that means I have to copy-paste all this data into it

18:52 <ndrst> is latex an option?

18:52 <yorickpeterse> Fnordmetric looks ok, but it's more time based

18:52 <yorickpeterse> Plus Highcharts is fucking terrible at lots of data

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18:52 <yorickpeterse> ndrst: eh, I have to feed it data from Ruby

18:52 <yorickpeterse> so I'm not sure

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18:53 <ndrst> csv it eats

18:53 <ndrst> pgfplots

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18:54 <ndrst> last but no least this google js api stuffsz

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19:01 <yorickpeterse> Hm, Graphite might be an option

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19:03 <ndrst> that looks nice

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19:04 <yorickpeterse> hm, it's time based though

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19:05 <ndrst> how many values do you have?

19:05 <ndrst> or what kind of data?

19:05 <yorickpeterse> http://hastebin.com/vuyomameni.txt this basically

19:06 <yorickpeterse> "name" would be the X axis, "total" the Y

19:06 <yorickpeterse> probably just a plain bar chart or something

19:06 <yorickpeterse> something that makes it a bit easier to digest than raw numbers

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19:07 <ndrst> try incanter and check out this blogpost, the type of data is the same: http://citizen428.net/blog/2010/08/10/github-stats-with-incanter/

19:08 <ndrst> damn i'm lost in that pony site

19:10 <ndrst> how did you profile that?

19:10 <yorickpeterse> ndrst: ruby-prof in combination with some patches for MRI

19:10 <yorickpeterse> https://gist.github.com/YorickPeterse/5944545 this patch

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19:11 <yorickpeterse> that's memory usage in KB btw

19:13 <ndrst> Class#new is called quite a bit

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19:14 <yorickpeterse> because everything extends Class

19:14 <yorickpeterse> I don't call it anywhere explicitly

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19:15 <yorickpeterse> the interesting stuff all happens in RubyObject and most of it is due to the use of Hashes as keyword arguments

19:15 <yorickpeterse> as well as the low-level internal data structure

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19:18 <ndrst> what is that thing doing you are benchmarking?

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19:18 <ndrst> some call numbers are quite high

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19:19 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/YorickPeterse/ruby-lint/blob/develop/debug/profile.rb

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19:19 <yorickpeterse> it loads a bunch of definitions for stdlib/rails

19:19 <yorickpeterse> so it does do quite a bit of method calls

19:20 <ndrst> ah yeah your ruby-lint

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19:20 <yorickpeterse> but it's not that bad since it only uses around 30MB

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19:20 <yorickpeterse> managed to get it down to that from 32MB by getting rid of default options hashes here and there

19:20 <yorickpeterse> (webscale!)

19:20 <yorickpeterse> errr, that's 30MB without the Rails definitions

19:20 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: that's... completely pointles

19:20 <whitequark> *pointless

19:21 <yorickpeterse> 2MB? Yes, but I was hoping I could find another 5-10 cases where I could reduce maybe 1MB

19:21 <yorickpeterse> The problem here is that it increases exponentially by the looks of it

19:21 <whitequark> if it makes the code more clear, I would let it eat 100MB

19:21 <ndrst> so you want to optimize memory usage for your tool?

19:21 <yorickpeterse> and I don't want that

19:21 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: the changes I'm making take that into account

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19:22 <yorickpeterse> I'm not going to write ugly code unless it saves me *a lot*

19:22 <whitequark> okay

19:22 <whitequark> your tool is one-shot anyway

19:22 <whitequark> memory usage doesn't matter, like, at all

19:22 <whitequark> runtime does

19:22 <whitequark> unless you're going to run it at raspberry pi... but then I would deliberately make it more memory-hungry

19:22 <yorickpeterse> memory does matter actually since I want people to be able to run this in a webservice for example

19:22 <yorickpeterse> without having to shell out for every call

19:23 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: so 30MB is the resident set?

19:23 <whitequark> not peak usage or total allocation amount?

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19:23 <yorickpeterse> base memory usage sits somewhere around 20MB from the top of my head, 30MB for the test suite (that's what it reports at the end)

19:23 <whitequark> how do you measure memory usage?

19:24 <yorickpeterse> when you load Rails definitions it will jump to 40-45MB (it changes a bit from time to time

19:24 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: ruby-prof and good ol' `ps -o rss= PID`

19:24 <whitequark> not sure about prof, but ps is useless here

19:24 <yorickpeterse> the latter is really just a very blunt indication

19:24 <yorickpeterse> errr, rough

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19:24 <whitequark> what you need is the total size of objects in the ruby heap; I think ruby-prof does tha

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19:25 <whitequark> meanwhile the gem unpacker is at `dy'

19:25 <yorickpeterse> ruby-prof does memory, allocations (objects amount) and GC stuff

19:25 <yorickpeterse> and CPU info

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19:25 <whitequark> will it ever finish

19:25 <yorickpeterse> object allocations are useless in this case since it reports that Strings are created very often while only taking up little memory

19:25 <yorickpeterse> (same goes with a few others)

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19:29 <yorickpeterse> Does Ruby acutally perform any optimizations for frozen objects or is it merely a read-only toggler?

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19:30 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: toggler

19:30 <yorickpeterse> hmpf

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19:38 <yorickpeterse> ok note to self: if you're trying to generate a PNG using `dot`, make sure that you have the arguments right

19:38 <yorickpeterse> http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/screenshot_110713_21%3a38%3a11.png

19:39 <yorickpeterse> because of that

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19:41 <lianj> yorickpeterse: `reset`

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19:41 <yorickpeterse> yeah that doesn't work if all of tmux is fucked

19:41 <yorickpeterse> had to kill the windows

19:42 <lianj> bummer

19:42 <yorickpeterse> WHAT THE FUCK DOT

19:42 <yorickpeterse> STOP BEING A CUNT. THE SYNTAX IS RIGHT

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19:42 <yorickpeterse> or dick, or whatever gender dot may be

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19:45 <yorickpeterse> aww yiss http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/ruby_lint_call_tree.png

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19:45 <yorickpeterse> this is unreadable as fuck though

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19:51 <yorickpeterse> apeiros: ^ lots of /parts from Aloysius1

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19:52 <yorickpeterse> So I was about to write "All hail apeiros" but I almost made a rather disasterous freudian slip (if you can even call it that in this case)

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19:52 <yorickpeterse> I seriously need my tea

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19:53 <apeiros> yorickpeterse: what? :)

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19:53 <yorickpeterse> I almost typed "All heil apeiros"

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19:53 <yorickpeterse> well I did but was about to press enter

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19:53 <Nilium> Didn't you just type it and press enter?

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19:53 <yorickpeterse> yeah but that's different

19:54 <apeiros> well, then I'd think you're being an idiot and that's about it.

19:54 <yorickpeterse> :<

19:54 <Nilium> I think the results were pretty good.

19:54 <Nilium> A++++ would heil again

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19:54 <yorickpeterse> I guess lack of proper sleep and lots of numbers are getting the better of me

19:55 <apeiros> but why the nazi hailing?

19:55 <yorickpeterse> I have no idea why I initially typed that :<

19:56 <yorickpeterse> and "hail" is not even remotely related to nazism

19:56 <rickhull> i'd rather nazi hitler references in this chan ;)

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19:57 <yorickpeterse> I don't ge...oh

19:57 <yorickpeterse> meh

19:57 <rickhull> i think it relies on the american pronunciation

19:57 <yorickpeterse> No, we have those jokes over here too

19:57 <yorickpeterse> and they're just as terrible

19:57 <yorickpeterse> though Dutch people have a preference for jokes about the Belgians

19:59 <yorickpeterse> I'd give some examples but you really can't translate them well to English since they often rely on Dutch word play

19:59 <yorickpeterse> you'll end up with something like "I'll see it through the fingers" ("Ik zie het door de vingers", which means "I'll turn a blind eye on it")

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20:13 <yorickpeterse> heh, not loading YAML saves me 4MB

20:13 <yorickpeterse> but I kinda need that lib

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20:22 <yorickpeterse> screw this, I hereby consider 30-40MB of memory usage a feature

20:23 <yorickpeterse> WONTFIX

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20:34 <TvL2386> hey guys, is it really necessary that your .gemspec file requires everything that is also required in lib/my_gem.rb? It seems like so much duplication

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20:37 <havenwood> TvL2386: How is that necessary? Can you give an example?

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20:41 <TvL2386> havenwood, I don't know if it is necessary, but in my gemspec all files are required. In my lib/my_gem.rb also is required as well. If I don't require it in my gem for example: require File.expand_path('../lib/my_gem/version', __FILE__) I don't have the MyGem::VERSION to reference

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20:41 <TvL2386> havenwood, also if I forget to require something in my gemspec, it's not available in my tests... I run it with `rake test`

20:42 <TvL2386> havenwood, I'm searching for a nice gems code to see how it should be done

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20:43 <havenwood> TvL2386: This is pretty close to what the current Bundler generates: https://github.com/havenwood/encrypt/blob/master/encrypt.gemspec

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20:44 <havenwood> TvL2386: Maybe try a `bundle gem gem_name_here; cat gem_name_here/gem_name_here.gemspec

20:44 <havenwood> `

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20:46 <havenwood> TvL2386: Maybe look at Pry's for a cleaner example: https://github.com/pry/pry/blob/master/pry.gemspec

20:46 <whitequark> letter f!

20:46 <TvL2386> thanks havenwood!

20:48 <TvL2386> havenwood, I commented all my require's except the version (which is used). I also required 'my_gem' now in my test_helper. That seems to require the version I'm working on (and not the one installed). I don't know why I added all my files in the gemspec in the past

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20:49 <TvL2386> havenwood, maybe something blows up when I'm ready to build a new gem, but I'll see :)

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21:57 <rickhull> requiring your lib in your .gemspec seems dirty to me.

21:57 <rickhull> my approach https://github.com/rickhull/buildar/blob/master/buildar.gemspec

21:58 <rickhull> tracking your version in the lib: https://github.com/rickhull/buildar/blob/master/lib/buildar.rb#L6

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22:15 <zenspider> corundum: seen headius?

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22:20 <erikh> zenspider: corundum's broken

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22:20 <drbrain> maybe corundum lost its nickserv registration

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22:30 <drbrain> corundum: botsnack

22:30 <corundum> drbrain: thanks :)

22:31 <drbrain> yeah, that was probably the problem

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22:32 <zenspider> nickserv has been wierd lately. I keep coming back to my proxy as zenspider_

22:33 <zenspider> then I can't /nick in here because I'm not registered. that makes no sense to me

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22:35 <whitequark> zenspider: hi

22:35 <whitequark> can you share your curated archive of gems?

22:35 <whitequark> gauntlet's kind of slow

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22:38 <darix> zenspider: freeneode still gets dossed regularly and the services suffer from that from time to time.

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23:05 <Nilium> Hm, the wxRuby website has been kind of destroyed in weird ways

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23:05 <zenspider> flay version 2.3.1 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/07/flay-version-2-3-1-has-been-released.html

23:06 <Nilium> Nifty

23:08 <zenspider> flog version 4.1.1 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/07/flog-version-4-1-1-has-been-released.html

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23:09 <zenspider> I could use another cappuccino

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23:10 <zenspider> corundum: seen headius?

23:10 <corundum> you best check yo'self!

23:10 <corundum> headius was last seen 17 hours, 19 minutes and 36 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Quit: headius)

23:10 <zenspider> damnit.. what fucking time zone is he in these days?

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23:32 <Nilium> Ok, wxruby is a lost cause and I do not want to fix this pile of horror

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23:32 <Nilium> Off to see if there are other gui gems and what state of disrepair they're in

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23:36 <whitequark> Nilium: gtk works but is really horrible with threads

23:36 <Nilium> And really, really horrible with Macs

23:36 <whitequark> qt... well... you *might* be able to compile it

23:36 <Nilium> I wrote that one off because it's Qt.

23:36 <whitequark> huh?

23:37 <whitequark> qt's probably the sanest framework around

23:37 <Nilium> It's also enormous

23:37 <whitequark> it isn't significantly fatter than gtk

23:37 <Nilium> And has slightly weird behavior on OS X.

23:37 <lianj> and makes a sad panda

23:38 <Nilium> Not as bad as GTK on OS X, just.. weird.

23:38 <whitequark> screw osx, there's no way to satisfy its users

23:38 <whitequark> use MacRuby

23:38 <Nilium> Would, but it's not Ruby 2.x

23:38 <whitequark> then you have no choice

23:38 <Nilium> But to do it myself!

23:38 <whitequark> oh, right

23:38 <whitequark> Java

23:38 <whitequark> Swing.

23:39 <Nilium> The less said of that the better.

23:39 <Nilium> I know I said Qt was enormous but it's tiny by comparison.

23:39 <whitequark> if I were you, I would try to fix the Qt gem

23:39 <Nilium> I'll probably just end up implementing my own UI.

23:39 <Nilium> Render it all using GL.

23:39 <Nilium> Maybe just port the old one I wrote.

23:39 <whitequark> (or, if the app is strictly OS X-specific, then MacRuby.)

23:40 <lianj> Nilium: cairo

23:40 <darix> jruby + whatever eclipse uses.

23:40 <Nilium> I'm not even making an app, I'm just dicking around

23:40 <Nilium> Less said of Java the better, again.

23:40 <lianj> i actually like how for jruby got

23:41 <Nilium> I prefer the GL approach anyway. Means it'll always work.

23:41 <Nilium> And I can make it needlessly pretty.

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23:41 <lianj> not true, try running gl on say rpi, except its optimised for that

23:41 <Nilium> Like I care about that.

23:41 <whitequark> rpi is bad for like everything

23:42 <Nilium> I don't think running even Ruby on a pi is sane. The only thing my pi is good for is running my ZNC server.

23:42 <whitequark> stop caring already, use a BBB or literally every other non-stupid board

23:43 <lianj> ruby + ffi + cairo x11 window is kinda nice on rpi

23:43 <lianj> like a flexible picture frame

23:43 <Nilium> Either way, GL seems like a good option, seeing as I wrote GL bindings and GLFW 3 bindings and 3D math routine bindings, so I'm pretty much set to work on that.

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23:44 <lianj> true, on other machines (not rpi) i run gl + cairo. cairo i just way better for 2d pixel drawing and fonts

23:44 <Nilium> Probably.

23:44 <Nilium> The alternative is mostly bitmap fonts, and those suck pretty bad.

23:44 <lianj> thats just a joke

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23:45 <Nilium> I use bitmap fonts in my engine, but that's mostly 'cause they're inexpensive to draw.

23:45 <Nilium> Using them for a GUI would be less pleasant.

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23:46 <lianj> yea, bitmap fonts are ok for 'play now' buttons but not much more

23:46 <lianj> using cario you setup one texture, draw into it with cairo and then have it as a gl texture in memory, if you don't need to change the text it simply a matter of drawing that texture again

23:47 <Nilium> Yeah, and text doesn't change all that much in UIs.

23:48 <Nilium> Can also skip mipmapping, probably.

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23:49 <lianj> for fixed z gui, yes :P

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23:50 <Nilium> People who do non-fixed ones should probably be smacked with sticks. Repeatedly.

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23:51 <Nilium> Assuming they're non-fixed and trying to look like a regular GUI and not a really specialized one for a game or something. Those ones are fine.

23:51 <whitequark> don't do your own GUIs, unless you intend to produce shit

23:52 <Nilium> I've done it a number of times, it's like a weird recurring masochistic hobby.

23:52 <lianj> there is some truth in that :)

23:52 <whitequark> because the result will be an abomination which doesn't support common keyboard shortcuts, or you can't scroll in it, or something

23:53 <Nilium> Dunno, things to look at if I ever actually need a GUI.

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23:56 <Nilium> Another idea would be to just not build the UI in Ruby and simply treat the UI as a client and the ruby side as the server.

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23:59 <whitequark> that's likely the only sane way to build a GUI with Ruby

23:59 <whitequark> and generally lots of languages