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<drbrain> erikh: ping
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<erikh> drbrain: pong
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<crankharder> Having trouble defining the class methods this way. Help? https://gist.github.com/3629321
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<crankharder> I could do without ActiveSupport::Concern - I'm sure it's not necessary for this small usecase
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<kshah> randomize question.. is there any practical difference between where you purchase your SSL cert from in anyone's experience?
<kshah> random*ish
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<bnagy> some cost more?
<erikh> root cert matters, outside of that you're paying for the certificate authority's credibility in not issuing certificates for you to someone else
<erikh> ... which, practically, isn't an issue. the whole CA system is pretty crooked and broken anyhow.
<bnagy> s/pretty//
<erikh> it's a bit like voting for a politician.
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<kshah> erikh: thanks, that helps
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<yorickpeterse> Morning lads
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<ddfreyne> goeiemorgen yorickpeterse
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<mfn> morning
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<masterkorp> i just used a try catch, i am a shameless person
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<masterkorp> so many nick changes in in
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<masterkorp> Leeky: can you please do you use that auto afk nickchange
<masterkorp> *do not use
<Leeky> masterkorp: Sorry... will leave the channel while my network connection is flakey (I keep disconnecting from my bouncer).
<masterkorp> i just dont change my nick
<masterkorp> i have auto away too
<masterkorp> but set it on the status only
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<masterkorp> its also easier for people to query you
<Leeky> masterkorp: Noted. Thanks for the advice :)
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<sush24> I think i might be having some problems with character encoding http://pastie.org/4667544
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<sush24> weird… % screws up the string.. %% somehow works to print "%"
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<Mon_Ouie> This code doesn't give me the same output as yours, so there must be some context missing
<Mon_Ouie> (b is "test+%40+again")
<Mon_Ouie> What you're saying about % sounds like the behavior of Kernel#sprintf (and similar)
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<davidw> any idea why this would fail? bundle exec ruby -e 'puts Open3' - it works on a number of systems, but not on one in particular, with Ruby 1.9.2
<judofyr> davidw: require "open3" ?
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<davidw> judofyr, solving it is easy, I'm trying to figure out the *why*
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<davidw> judofyr, if it required the require everywhere... ok, fair enough
<davidw> but it doesn't
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<judofyr> davidw: bundle exec ruby -e'pp $LOADED_FEATURES'
<judofyr> should give you a hint
<judofyr> about the difference
<judofyr> s
<rolfb> judofyr: oh, didn't know about $LOADED_FEATURES
<rolfb> useful :)
<judofyr> rolfb: vim $(gem which English)
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<judofyr> nice documentation for the global variables
<rolfb> judofyr: oooh
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<davidw> ok
<davidw> now why would it be in one LOADED FEATURES but not another
<davidw> same code
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<zzak> good morning!
<judofyr> morning!
<judofyr> davidw: hm. you might be able to override #require early on
<davidw> different bundler versions, let me explore that possibility.....
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<davidw> seems to be bundler gem
<davidw> 1.5 works, 2.whatever does not
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<workmad3> what version numbers are those? :/
<judofyr> RCs?
<workmad3> ah, 1.1.5, 1.2.x
<workmad3> that makes sense :)
<workmad3> davidw: here's why, I expect - 'bundle exec shouldn't run Bundler.setup just setting the right rubyopts options is enough' (from 1.2.0.pre)
<davidw> yeah, 1.1.5
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<davidw> and 1.2... my eyes are a bit crossed
<workmad3> davidw: my reading of that line from the changelog - in 1.1, bundle exec didn't need you to 'require' libraries, in 1.2, you do
<davidw> workmad3, sounds likely
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<davidw> turned out they used popen3 and then they did not
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<workmad3> davidw: haha :) ended up relying on bundler functionality
<workmad3> *implementation
<davidw> yeah
<davidw> I guess we just thougt it was 'there' somewhere in rails/bundler/all the other crap being loaded
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<Defusal> banisterfiend, is there any way to use your object2module gem to extend a module with a class, as if it were a module?
<injekt> oO
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<banisterfiend> Defusal: yes that's the point of it
<banisterfiend> but i wouldn't use it
<banisterfiend> ;)
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<banisterfiend> probably doesnt even work on 1.9.3
<Defusal> banisterfiend, how would you use it like that? classes have no #to_module and modules have no gen_extend
<Defusal> bleh, ok
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<Defusal> banisterfiend, it probably doesnt work with 1.9.3 then, since with the gem active a class had no gen_extend method, but it's fine, i'll have to make another plan
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<banisterfiend> Defusal: but it compiles on 1.9.3 ?
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<Defusal> bundler built it fine, but don't worry about it
<banisterfiend> i get crazy build failures
<banisterfiend> maybe u're on windows so u get the binaries
<banisterfiend> anyway it's 4 years old and a ridiculous project
<banisterfiend> :)
<Defusal> linux, on my server, and it built the native extension fine :P
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<banisterfiend> weird
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<Defusal> banisterfiend, ah i see this server still has ruby 1.9.2p180
<banisterfiend> ok
<banisterfiend> that explains it
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<wnd> I can use Enumerable#sort_by{|t| [t.score, t.timestamp]} to sort a list of elements "by two factors". However, this way all factors are sorted in ascending order. If I want to have descending score and ascending timestamp, what is The way to do that? I suppose I could simply do #sort_by{|t| [-t.score, t.timestamp]} but the same kludge wouldn't work with strings or such.
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<wnd> (put a #reverse where needed)
<wnd> nevermind, reverse isn't needed in this example
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<wnd> possibly to answer my own question: using Comparable
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<lolzie> I just generated a scaffold, then migrated a database to add a column, how can I regenerate my scaffold to comply with it again?
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<zzak> lolzie: try #rubyonrails
<lolzie> Ta
<lolzie> So many ruby/rails channels!
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<lun_> lolzie: and none of them are really alive )
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<lolzie> lun_: I noticed! Quite odd considering how much Ruby buzz I find on Google
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<lun_> lolzie: yeah, python community in this case wins ;)
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<wnd> not with the language, though ;-)
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<injekt> huh? this channel is rarely busy but the rails channel is always packed
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<lolzie> Well why would #ruby-lang be busy when there's a #ruby
<lolzie> (..Which isn't even busy itself)
<injekt> because this one is official
<lolzie> News to me, by naming convention you'd think #ruby was official
<injekt> so it technically should be and #ruby should be destroyed with a massive dick
<injekt> by naming convention? this channel is the same name as the website
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<wnd> and this channel is listed on the website
<lolzie> Yeah but I'm pretty sure most people who want to chat about Ruby care more about the language than the website
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<lolzie> I've been on that website maybe... once?
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<injekt> yeah, #ruby should redirect here
<injekt> rue likes conversations about this
<zzak> hogwash
<injekt> HOG WASH
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<shellox> hello
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<injekt> howdy
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<shellox> good good ;) and you?
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<shellox> can anyone may help me with an eventmachine issue? I try to build a IRC bot from scratch(without the eventmachine irc lib) and run into the issue that i cant join a channel. It seems to ignore the command
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<RickHull> one of quickest way I get network communications working is to poke around in irb. but that's problematic with EM, right?
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<RickHull> have you tried turning off ssl?
<RickHull> i would keep it simple and then layer on the complexity when the foundation works
<shellox> RickHull: nop, i could try. Wait 30 secs ;)
<RickHull> also add some debug logging
<RickHull> could be as simple as puts/printf
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<shellox> RickHull: it seems to be too fast
<shellox> it doesn't wait for an answer
<RickHull> one thing you could do is watch the network traffic with e.g. tcpflow or wireshark
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<shellox> or just ask in #eventmachine. I saw that they have a seperate channel right now ;)
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<outoftime> anyone ever run into a process stuck in CLOSE_WAIT on a Redis socket?
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<rue> Goddamn #ruby.
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<andrewvos> zzak: Is that you?
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<zzak> andrewvos: yes sir :D
<andrewvos> Wello done!
<andrewvos> Damnit
<andrewvos> WELL
<andrewvos> One handed typing.
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<zzak> thanks!
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<zzak> rhizmoe: lib/time docs were updated 11 months ago but im not sure if it was backported
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<rhizmoe> i'm just saying that ruby-doc has corners from which one should be able to get to parallel libs
<zzak> lib/time is an extension for the Time class
<rhizmoe> you're killing me here :)
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<rhizmoe> i'm just saying the pages themselves should have connections between stdlib, core, AS, etc. instances of the class
<zzak> ofcourse, i think rdoc will combine references from time.c and time.rb for the output so class linking in that case wouldnt work
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<drbrain> ruby-doc.org generates Time doc from stdlib separately from core
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<zzak> so wont class reference for Time link to itself?
<zzak> instead of core
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<drbrain> yeah
<zzak> hard coding links to ruby-doc.org would be insufficient
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<drbrain> it's the kind of thing where maybe bugging James Britt enough would help
<drbrain> politely, of course
<zzak> i thought it was a limitation of rdoc?
<andrewvos> rhizmoe: You spelled rhizome wrong
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<drbrain> zzak: for ri, time.c and lib/time.rb are combined
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<drbrain> for ruby-doc.org it's handled differentely
<drbrain> -e
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<zzak> rdoc -o tmp lib/time.rb time.c would suffice, right?
<drbrain> yeh
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<rhizmoe> andrewvos: long story :)
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<zenspider> minitest 3.4.0 released. (rawr)
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<oddmunds> zenspider: i read your siren thing and i thought it was a good read
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<zenspider> oddmunds: thanks!
<zenspider> there's so much high level writing about process and almost none about the low level stuff that I thought it might be interesting to write up
<oddmunds> yeah, i'd like more like that
<zenspider> also... harder than I thought to juggle the buffers in a way I liked while doing it... esp on a plane :)
<oddmunds> buffling
<oddmunds> i especially liked the bit where you refactored the test sort of, before you made it pass
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<zenspider> thanks!
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<zenspider> whoooole lot of nothin'
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<whitequark> zenspider: siren thing?
<whitequark> would it help my insomnia? :)
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