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<pr0ton> i have a question about ruby gems
<pr0ton> so i have two repositories
<pr0ton> one is /var/home/src/rep1 and rep2 similarly
<pr0ton> rep2 uses the gem in rep1
<pr0ton> rep1 is a forked github repo
<pr0ton> how do i make sure that rep2 depends on rep1 ?
<pr0ton> also i want to be able to run things in dev mode, as in modifications to rep1 shouldn't need rebuilds so that it's seen in rep2
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<pr0ton> anybody?
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<zenspider> pr0ton: you're mixing projects and repos. they're not the same
<pr0ton> zenspider: probably, but rep1 is something i've installed as a gem
<zenspider> you probably just want to run ruby and modify your load path to point to rep1/lib and rep2/lib
<pr0ton> how do i do that?
<zenspider> ruby -Ipath1:path2
<zenspider> or modify $: or $LOAD_PATH
<zenspider> corundum: quickref?
<pr0ton> what does path1 and path2 stand for here?
<pr0ton> i'm writing a simple sinatra server, so i run it as "ruby -rubygems server.rb"
<zenspider> as I said above... rep1/lib and rep2/lib... assuming they have lib dirs
<pr0ton> ok
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<zenspider> you can modify server.rb at the top to modify the load path and then you don't have to worry about it
<pr0ton> i think while deploying i'll probably need to not do that right?
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<zenspider> if you're depending on changes you're making to two projects... you're gonna have to do _something_ in deployment
<pr0ton> zenspider: it doesn't seem to work
<pr0ton> i'm running it as
<pr0ton> LOAD_PATH="/var/home/src/rep1" ruby -rubygems server.rb
<pr0ton> in a bash script
<zenspider> not ENV['LOAD_PATH'], $LOAD_PATH... in ruby. you're trying to affect ruby.
<pr0ton> i see
<pr0ton> but won't that need to change when i deploy?
<pr0ton> is there no env variable i can set?
<pr0ton> what about ruby lib ?
<pr0ton> RUBYLIB that is
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<pr0ton> zenspider: RUBYLIB works for now
<pr0ton> thanks
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<Rakko> What's the mathematical principle for when you want to find all combinations of e.g. three values, where each value can be one of [1, 2, 3], and identical values can occur in different slots?
<heftig> repeated permutation?
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<heftig> repeated combination?
<heftig> depends on whether order matters
<Rakko> order does matter.
<heftig> permutation, then
<Rakko> thanks.
<heftig> [1,2,3].repeated_permutation(3).to_a
<Rakko> I see my terms were wrong. I used "value" to mean both "slot" and "number permitted in a slot"
<heftig> but this is what you want?
<Rakko> exactly, yes
<banisterfiend`> Rakko: heftig is an expert in combinatorics
<heftig> i had a course on it last semester
<banisterfiend`> heftig: cool, what things?
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<heftig> permutations, combinations, without and with repetition
<banisterfiend`> oh pretty basic stuff
<heftig> stirling numbers first and second kind
<banisterfiend`> k00
<heftig> binomial coefficients
<heftig> multinomial coefficient
<banisterfiend`> heftig: did you learn about the euler beta function ?:)
<heftig> counting methods
<heftig> nope
<heftig> set partitioning
<banisterfiend`> iirc that's a generalization of binomial theorem over the continuous complex plane
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<banisterfiend`> heftig: have you done any group theory too?
<heftig> amount of mappings between sets
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<heftig> banisterfiend`: not in any depth
<heftig> generating functions
<heftig> linear recurrence relations
<heftig> er, equations
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<Rakko> cool
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<Rakko> Also, I see there's a site modruby.net which is about a certain mod_ruby. Previously I had thought that Passenger was mod_ruby; but modruby.net doesn't mention Passenger. Are the two separate?
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<burgestrand> Yep.
<burgestrand> Rakko: passenger calls itself mod_rails sometimes.
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<Rakko> oh, _rails
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<Rakko> Which brings me to the next question: is it actually called mod_rails in the Apache config files?
<Rakko> and/or in the .so files or whatever (I'm not very up to speed on how to configure apache)
<burgestrand> Rakko: no idea, it says here though: http://www.modrails.com/documentation/Users%20guide%20Apache.html
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<burgestrand> Looks like no.
<Rakko> thanks
<Rakko> it annoys me that it has that nickname or whatever it is
<Rakko> but anyway
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<Rakko> hmmm.... now how can I get something like a repeated permutation, but where the slots have different sets of permitted values, and the sets contain different numbers of values?
<Rakko> I mean, if there is an existing implementation. I can make one if not.
<heftig> [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]].map(&:sample)
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<heftig> er, well, that gets you one
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<Rakko> true
<heftig> [1,2,3].product([4,5,6],[7,8,9])
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<Rakko> damn
<Rakko> you're a genius
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<swarley> sometimes i wish that you could do 9! to denote factorials
<swarley> but then i dont
<Rakko> hehe
<Rakko> destructive factorial method
<Rakko> I just made a proggy to see what letter combinations different phone keys can represent
<swarley> hm that sounds fun
* swarley gives it a whirl
<Rakko> because I noticed my cell phone rendered 52635463 (the digits for "landline") as "kamelgod"
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<Rakko> someone is using the name "kamelgod deadites" online
<Rakko> "deadites" apparently is "deceiver" or "deceives"
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
<rue|w> N-uh
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<rue|w> exec 5>&- <3
<rue|w> You could always define #! for factorials
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<masterkorp> find_room_by_name(name) if verify_response(post("account/create/room?from=lobby", {:room => {:name => name, :topic => topic}}, :ajax => true), :success)
<masterkorp> hate
<masterkorp> think ya soo smart doing it all in one line
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<zzak> Good morning!
<rue|w> Boy are you late
<zzak> i know, i was trying to figure out how to patch svn
<zzak> just got my commit bit, and i have no clue what im doing
<zzak> rue|w: help meh
<zzak> keeps telling me stuff doesnt exist, and creates all these .orig files
<rue|w> Sounds about right
<zzak> a and b folders
<rue|w> I don’t remember how to use svn. I moved to darcs in…2005? And then to git
<zzak> maybe ill start with a smaller patch first
<rue|w> Sounds like a fantastic idea
<rue|w> How about using git-svn?
<masterkorp> zzak: i use git-svn
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<masterkorp> its wonderful for that
<lianj> masterkorp: ack
<masterkorp> ?
<yorickpeterse> ugh, SVN
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<zzak> im afraid ill break something
<yorickpeterse> matz, y u no move to git
<darix> zzak: you only get .orig files if your patch didnt apply cleanly
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<zzak> darix: yeh i probably messed something up
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<darix> zzak: in general they have some very nice documentation at http://svnbook.org/ and also #svn is pretty helpful normally.
<zzak> darix: thank you
<zzak> pathname went through fine
<masterkorp> zzak: git-svn is client side only
<masterkorp> it does not convert anything
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<masterkorp> it just allows you to work git style on a svn repo
<darix> except that it hammers the svn server quite "nicely" to create that git repository in the first place
<zzak> it probably wouldnt hurt to familiarize myself with svn anyways
<darix> if i recall correctly
<lianj> darix: but thats a good thing, after the initial clone you have everything on your drive and only hit the server for updates. not diffs etc..
<darix> lianj: the "good" depends on the size of the repository ;)
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<lianj> nah, you can use tig and gitk and never hit the wire. :P even if its big, i want all of it locally to browse it nicely
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<zzak> but my svn id email isn't working right
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<elux> is there a way from within a process to check if it was started with "&" via cli?
<whitequark> try to read from stdin
<whitequark> STDIN.read_nonblock
<darix> whitequark: you sure that stdin is no longer available when started with & ?
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<elux> read_nonblock': Resource temporarily unavailable - read would block (Errno::EAGAIN)
<elux> .. hrmm.. without running as &
<elux> maybe this is because of timing how things are happening.. i should select or whatever
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<whitequark> darix: kinda.
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<whitequark> well, the problem is that without &, it raises EAGAIN
<whitequark> and with &, it blocks.
<darix> elux: just curious ... why does it matter?
<masterkorp> darix: no
<masterkorp> its only the first checkout takes some time
<masterkorp> but as much as the svn does
<masterkorp> then after all is local it converts
<darix> masterkorp: git-svn walks every single svn revision and if i recall correctly does full tree checkouts for each
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<masterkorp> ofc
<masterkorp> but it gets the diffs imho
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<rikkus> Hello
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<rikkus> On the Ruby standard library docs: Some method parameters are not documented, for example: http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/dl/rdoc/Win32API.html - there is no documentation describing any of those parameters, such as what they mean (the first two are, thankfully, self-explanatory), what is acceptable to pass, what the consequences of different values would be, etc. Is there somewhere e
<rikkus> lse I should look for standard library documentation which goes further than simply naming existing methods?
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<zzak> rikkus: please file a ticket http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/
<rikkus> er
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<rikkus> Sorry my question was if there is a set of actual documentation for the standard library somewhere - am I looking in the wrong place?
<rikkus> Okay my question was about standard library docs. The first link you posted, deryl, goes to what looks like it should be standard library docs, but the Win32API link on there is a 404.
<rikkus> The others aren't links to standard library docs.
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<deryl> umm, core is the ruby core library, the stdlib is the standard library, and the last link is for you to find additional documentation
<deryl> and googling for 'win32api ruby docs' provides http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/dl/rdoc/Win32API.html
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<deryl> first link too
<zzak> rikkus: thats because Win32API is undocumented, you can file a ticket and/or send a patch to bugs.ruby-lang.org
<rikkus> deryl: that's the link I posted.
<rikkus> deryl: But thanks for the other links, which weren't to the standard library, and for googling and pasting me the link I pasted.
<deryl> umm, yes stflib *is* the standard library
<rikkus> zzak: Ah right, I see, so the answer is simply: No, there is no documentation.
<rikkus> deryl: Yes. I know. I keep saying that.
<deryl> sigh
<deryl> nm, these are not the droids you're looking for
<rikkus> I don't think 'droids' quite describes.
<rikkus> Trolls, perhaps.
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<deryl> heh, point him to the core documentation for _the_ ruby core library *and* _the_ ruby standard library, but its trolling. how quaint.
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<rikkus> deryl: As I've said a few times above now, thanks very much for the link to the core library, but I didn't ask for one.
<rikkus> You can send me a link to myspace, but, again, I don't want that.
<rikkus> But I'd still say thanks.
<zzak> rikkus: patches welcome :)
<deryl> rikkus: Sorry my question was if there is a set of **actual documentation for the standard library** somewhere - am I looking in the wrong place?
<deryl> so i did just that. my apologies if it was not what you wanted
<deryl> &
<rikkus> deryl: I obviously wrote my question too clearly, so I apologise.
<deryl> there is only one 'standard library' so i pointed you at it
<deryl> my bad for taking you literally
<rikkus> deryl: And also to the core library.
<deryl> yep, a little 'extra'. sorry for trying to make sure you have a full set of docs for ruby itself. i won;t do it again
<rikkus> deryl: I've been using ruby since it existed. I know where ruby-doc.org is, but thanks :P
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<rikkus> ooh look 5 years ago, I feel old: http://ircarchive.info/ruby-lang/2007/4/20/13.html
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<rue> Lies, you’d know nothing Windows is documented if you had
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<deryl> rue++
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<rikkus> rue: Except I never used to use Windows.
<zzak> 2007 is hardly the birth of ruby
<bnagy> rikkus: I would recommend loving up FFI for windows
<bnagy> win32api is old and fragile in a lot of places
<rikkus> bnagy: thanks
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<rikkus> zzak: That's the earliest I found in a quick google search, apologies
<bnagy> bad news being the FFI docs for windows are even worse
<rue> The FFI docs are pretty much the same everywhere
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<rikkus> hehe
<rikkus> I've found another... gem win32-api
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<bnagy> yeah dan berger's stuff
<rikkus> Oh and it's by djberg, so it'll be good :)
<rikkus> yep
<bnagy> I still recommend ffi
<bnagy> afaik he's moving his own stuff over as he has time
<bnagy> FFI is also a lot easier to make portable
<bnagy> as in windows portable
<rikkus> win32-api at least has docs...
<rikkus> will look at ffi though, sounds good
<bnagy> win32api in the stdlib is also djb code
<bnagy> basically one is just higher level and more sugar
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<bnagy> anyway, I'm usually here if you have windows questions
<elux> in my app.. how can i reset the $LOAD_PATH / $: ?
<elux> to the default before any modification to $: from other deps.. etc. bundler, etc.
<zzak> rikkus: no worries :)
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<elux> or.. unload the bundler paths from load path..
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<stephenp> is there a way to add class level methods to modules without adding them to Module itself? like the ActiveRecord macros, only for modules? (which as far as I can tell, can't have "super modules")
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<nofxx> Sorry if it's too dumb, need some sleep... can't remember: When I'm class SuperCool < Array ; how to set the array items inside the class?
<nofxx> in the intances of supercool... so it behaves identically an Array
<mistym> nofxx: Using the regular Array instance methods. self[n] = foo, self << foo, push(foo), unshift(foo), etc.
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<nofxx> mistym, damn... self = ... thanks man, sorry, need to call it a day
<nofxx> hehe
<mistym> nofxx: Careful, you can't redefine self! Just apply methods to it. self = won't work.
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<nofxx> mistym, thanks...won't need to replace the entire self, just came to my mind, good to know
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<elico> hey there.. need some help with md5. i have a program in c++ that gets a url and computes the hash of the method and the url of the request but. the method is a binary byte ie 1. i want to calculate the same md5 hash in ruby. can it be done?
<yorickpeterse> eh, what?
<yorickpeterse> Assuming you're talking about HTTP methods, how does, say, "GET" translate to "1"
<yorickpeterse> other than that generating an MD5 is very easy
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<rue> You just need the data from which the MD5 is computed
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<yorickpeterse> TIL dealing with scoping isn't all that hard (when writing parsers and such)
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<rindolf> Hi all.
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<rue> Hi one
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<matti> ;]
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<rindolf> matti: hi.
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<matti> Hi rindolf
<rindolf> matti: what's up?
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<matti> rindolf: Not much.
<matti> rindolf: I just came back home 30 min ago. (11pm here).
<matti> Had exam at my Japanese school.
<matti> You?
<rindolf> matti: working on my Binary Puzzle solver.
<rindolf> matti: in Ruby. :-)
<matti> Nice.
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<zzak> zenspider: around?
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<zenspider> zzak: what's up?
<zzak> zenspider: whats this bit about always building outside of $(srcdir)?
<zenspider> I've never figured that one out
<zzak> usually shouldn't have to test for doc patches, but nobu caught a warning i committed this morning
<zenspider> he'll do that... that's what nobu does.
<zenspider> he's scary
<zzak> like an archangel
<erikh> haha
<zzak> zenspider: should i just 'make clean' after i run through the tests and im ready to commit?
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<zenspider> zzak: I don't even think you need make clean honestly...
<zenspider> I only ever do a make clean if my build is borked... the makefiles aren't the best
<zenspider> then make test testall
<zenspider> do changes
<zenspider> make test testall
<zenspider> compare
<zenspider> commit
<zenspider> well... edit changelog and commit
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<zzak> i had a bunch of ext/*/.*.time files
<zzak> make clean got rid of those, and i was all set to commit
<zenspider> ugh. ripper is so wrong... :(
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<zenspider> [:paren, [:params, [[:@ident, "world", [1, 10]]], nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil]]
<zenspider> that's just horrid
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<zzak> whats with all the nils?
<zenspider> ripper is stupid?
<zenspider> what's with :paren?!?
<zenspider> how dumb is that?
<zenspider> the whole example you added just points out how ugly and impl specific ripper is
<zzak> :paren as in (world)?
<zenspider> yeah
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<zzak> zenspider: dont you have to make before you can test-all?
<zenspider> prolly. I have a Rakefile in my checkout that takes care of everything
<zenspider> :)
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<zzak> still getting the hang of committing, forgot the ticket # and list id of that last one
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<erikh> protip: svn rm trunk; svn ci
<erikh> :trolololol:
* zzak tries it
<erikh> funny.
<zzak> no more ruby :(
<erikh> besides it's svn, it'll take a week to finish doing that
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<zzak> oh, ive got time
<zzak> zenspider: mind sharing that Rakefile?
<zenspider> parts of it... sure
<zzak> just looking for any extra pointers to improve my workflow
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<zenspider> nothing fancy
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<zzak> thanks!
<zenspider> n/p
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