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<zenspider> please comment on https://github.com/seattlerb/minitest/pull/167 because it is SOOOO important. :P
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<postmodern> zenspider, i posted my 2c
<postmodern> zenspider, it's a broken windows policy issue
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<postmodern> zenspider, i encourage you to rename the variable and move on
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<zenspider> postmodern: when I asked for people to comment... I was being sarcastic. I especially didn't mean you and your uptight opinion. also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory#Criticism_of_the_theory
<postmodern> names should be descriptive :)
<zenspider> I esp like the editorializing and then editing it so only I get to read it.
<zenspider> private names can be anything ... again... with my sarcastic "SOOOO important"... it does NOT matter
<postmodern> zenspider, sorry, wrote the comment to fast, edited it after re-reading it
<deryl> ooo, then we need to change all get_head calls in Grit. Someone might think we're advocating sexual favors! Thats worse than WINDOZE isn't it?
<zenspider> hah
<zenspider> I'm not sure I'd want sexual favors from something named "grit" :P
<zenspider> sounds painful
<deryl> hehe
<deryl> oh so we're advocating sadistic head now. sheesh, just getting worse and worse around here I tell ya ;)
<postmodern> as a general rule, i tend to name things so that a non-english speaker could google it
<postmodern> and understand what it's supposed to represent
<postmodern> first hit for windoze is urbandictionary.com
<postmodern> and then a picture of bill gates as a borg
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<deryl> with a borg cube office telling all Apple users Resistance Is Futile, you will be assimilated!
<deryl> sorry, couldn't resist ;)
<postmodern> deryl, was going to ask you for a link :)
<deryl> hehehe
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<zenspider> it. is. nodoc'd... and has been there for 18 months. and yet... somehow this is important.
<postmodern> also wondered why pengwyn stumbled onto it just now
<postmodern> the commit is pretty old
<postmodern> but the change is trivial, so why not just merge it?
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<Spaceghostc2c> Most often, I'm too sober for life.
<Spaceghostc2c> This is not one of these times.
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<matti> Spaceghostc2c: ;]
<matti> Spaceghostc2c: At least you are not wasting time writing useless gems ;p
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Actually, I did.
<Spaceghostc2c> I wrote a nice ORM for an API.
<matti> Oh.
<matti> ORM
<matti> I feel dumb.
<drbrain> matti: writing useless gems is rarely a waste of time :D
<matti> Well.
<drbrain> if anyone should know, it's me
<matti> I could not sleep due to a huge migraine.
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Whatchu writing?
<matti> Inspired by reading nearly two days of talks about FizzBuzz on #ruby.
<Spaceghostc2c> Oh lulzy!
<matti> Yeah...
<matti> And you did ORM ;p
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Mine had much less impact than yours.
<matti> Impact?
<drbrain> matti: ha! you wrote it in C
<matti> Yes.
<drbrain> how is that possible with a migraine?
<Spaceghostc2c> See! mine was rubeh.
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<matti> drbrain: No idea.
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<matti> Oh dear.
<matti> Another copy and paste error there.
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Yours is much cooler, sir.
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<matti> Spaceghostc2c: Thanks kind Sir!
<Spaceghostc2c> <333
<Spaceghostc2c> That's a six-scoop ice cream cone.
<Spaceghostc2c> You deerve it.
<Spaceghostc2c> deserve it.
<matti> Now, after a stream of fail (fixing typos in test) I can go to sleep (3am and need to wake up at 8am ;/).
<matti> Spaceghostc2c: \o/
<matti> om nom nom nom nom
<matti> Ouch...
<matti> Chchc...
<matti> *brain feeze*
<matti> :>
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<matti> freeze*
<matti> Later folks.
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Don't die.
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Stop being a prick.
<matti> ?
<drbrain> o_O
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: /join #RubyOnRails-secretchannel
<Spaceghostc2c> matti: Except, you knwo what I mean.
<drbrain> I don't think I know what you mean
<Spaceghostc2c> drbrain: That's by design.
<drbrain> Spaceghostc2c: Pro Tip™: don't say "Stop being a prick."
<matti> ;p
<Spaceghostc2c> drbrain: We're friends, don't protip me.
<matti> LOL
* matti hugs drbrain and Spaceghostc2c
* Spaceghostc2c snuggles back
<drbrain> Spaceghostc2c: I don't want to see that kind of language in this channel
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<Spaceghostc2c> drbrain: Lol. Okay/
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: pong
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<certainty> moin ruby enthusiasts
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<certainty> https://gist.github.com/3792694 ... an idea i had this morning
<certainty> a bit like applicatives
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<whitequark> nice
<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: hi
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: on a scale from 0 to WTF, how bad would this be? https://github.com/YorickPeterse/rlint/blob/master/lib/rlint/symbols.rb (takes a while to load in GH).
<yorickpeterse> It's a list of all the standard Ruby constants and their methods, which in turn is used for checking for defined methods and such
<yorickpeterse> There doesn't seem to be a big memory overhead but I really have my doubts about it
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<matti> ;-)
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<rue|w> yorickpeterse: On a scale of 1, yes
<rue|w> I wouldn’t call them symbols, since that’s not what they are
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<rue|w> Other than that, sure
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<rue|w> yorickpeterse: What’re you working on next for rlint?
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: hmm
<whitequark> I'd say WTF
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<whitequark> not about the implementation, through using symbols instead of strings totally makes sense
<whitequark> but I just don't see a reason for using such a hash.
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<rue|w> certainty: Nice
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<certainty> i'm constantlÃy looking for a way to combine Symbol#to_proc and partial applicaton nicely. I haven't yet found a good solution ... The chaining operator fell out as a side-effect :)
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<yorickpeterse> rue|w: Correct, I however couldn't think of a better name for the time being
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: it prevents my code from going "oh! "puts" is an undefined method!"
<yorickpeterse> the alternative is code evaluation but I *really* don't want that
<yorickpeterse> The idea is that I need something that makes it possible to check if a particular method or constant is shipped with the basic Ruby setup
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: you can parse Ruby code right?
<whitequark> try parsing through Rubinius setup files
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<whitequark> this way you'd just join the "shipped" code with "user" code and you could treat them like equals
<yorickpeterse> Rubinius setup files?
<yorickpeterse> Keep in mind that if possible I'd like to not depend on Rbx
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<yorickpeterse> Hmmm
<yorickpeterse> I do feel that that would add quite the overhead though
<yorickpeterse> especially if you have to do it on every run
<yorickpeterse> rue|w: re: working next: checking for defined/undefined data such as variables, constants, etc
<yorickpeterse> Already have a very basic system in place for variables and such
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<zenspider> zomg what'd I miss?
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<wnd> zombie apocalypse
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<whitequark> $ ./bin/foundry hello.rb
<whitequark> [{"hello world"}]
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<whitequark> in other words, you need 723 LOC (and require 'melbourne') for a 'working' ruby interpreter
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<rolfb> zombie apocalypse; when starbucks go bust
<ruskie> and the world discovers that they were drinking piss instead of coffee
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<Cygn> Hey guys, i'm just starting with ruby. I need the contents of an array as a comma seperated list, by now i'm trying: options.join(",") - options are optional parameters of my method (*options), the result of the join is "{value1, value2}", but i need it without the {} - any hints?
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<rolfb> any suggestions on what to use for handling reading and writing of excel files?
<darix> Cygn: {} usually means hash
<yorickpeterse> Cygn: put the code in a pastebin
<darix> also that
<rolfb> darix: thanks, but was interested in personal experiences
<rolfb> though i wasn't very clear on that :)
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<Cygn> darix: :) i will, gimme a second
<Cygn> http://pastebin.com/fmfgZwPc < here it is - thank you
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<Cygn> i just want to be sure, users can pass as many options as they may like to the link_to function
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<canton7> Cygn, so options is a hash?
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<Cygn> is ist? i was not aware of that … in this example i thought just —> method: :delete, data: { confirm: 'Are you sure?' } are passed as 2 arguments
<Cygn> and options should accept any arguments and put them in an array
<canton7> if I do 'some_func(foo: :bar, baz: :bill)', ruby converts that to 'some_func({foo: :bar, baz: :bill})'
<canton7> (well, sees it as equivalent to)
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<canton7> so the definition for some_func would be 'def some_func(options)', where, here, options would be '{foo: :bar, baz: :bill}
<Mon_Ouie> Therefore, you should remove the splat in your code
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<Mon_Ouie> If those were passed as multiple arguments, what would each individual argument be? A 1-element hash? A 2-element array?
<canton7> if the definition was 'def some_func(*options)', and it was called as 'some_func(foo: :bar, baz: :bill)', then 'options' would be '[{foo: :bar, baz: :bill}]'
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<judofyr> whitequark: the books have arrived! :D
<anannie> judofyr: Hi!
<judofyr> anannie: oh, hi
<whitequark> judofyr: hi
<whitequark> I've working helloworld in foundry
<anannie> May I quickly PM judofyr?
<judofyr> anannie: sure
<judofyr> whitequark: sweet. I was hoping I could at least follow along (and understand) while you create Foundry :)
<chendo_> hey guys, I just released my macruby app as public beta and I hope it might interest you guys! think spotlight/quicksilver/launchbar/alfred but for UI elements, so you can 'click' elements without having to use the mouse! http://shortcatapp.com/
<whitequark> judofyr: unfortunately the sources are not publicly available yet. lawyers :/ I hope to resolve this ASAP, through.
<judofyr> whitequark: no worries, there's probably some exercises I should do first :)
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<rue|w> Stupid IRC
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<yorickpeterse> Fucking Redmine
<yorickpeterse> Figured that with moving servers I'd upgrade to 2.0. Turns out none of our plugins will probably work with it so I'm stuck maintaining 1.3 for a while :/
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<certainty> same here
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<masterkorp> redmine sucks
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<tonni> redmine's fault or plugin developers?
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<yorickpeterse> Pretty sure it's Redmine
<yorickpeterse> well
<yorickpeterse> Both in this case actually
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<gnufied> it is really hard to maintain opensource web app for long time I guess.
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<yorickpeterse> it is if you don't keep up
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<whitequark> well, redmine has had some progress lately
<whitequark> ruby 1.9, rails 3, etc.
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<andrewvos> Hmm, can anyone help me with jrb?
<andrewvos> Damn, I asked to ask a question. DISREGARD THAT
<andrewvos> Can anyone see anything obviously wrong here https://gist.github.com/3794065
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<zzak> whitequark: did you ever read eric davis' book?
<matti> Hi zzak
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<whitequark> zzak: which one?
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<zzak> refactoring redmine
<zzak> matti: hi!
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<whitequark> zzak: erm. no. there is such a book?..
<whitequark> ha, nice
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<zzak> not sure that covers rails 3 though
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<oddmunds> i just noticed that my Ruby installation in windows came with a book
<oddmunds> The Book of Ruby
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<oddmunds> which has all its code examples typeset in Comic Sans MS
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<Cygn> canton7: thank you very much
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<mfn> Does any recognize "Thu Sept 27 15:26:24 CEST 2012" as date/time pattern based on any rfc or common notion? Trying to figure whether I should just use #strptime or if there's a smarter way ...
<mfn> Ok, I didn't realize I just can use DateTime.parse on this one
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<llimllib> If I'm in irb, and I 'require some_file', is there any way to tell what modules/symbols it has imported?
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<lianj> llimllib: no, just everything from the file
<llimllib> and all the files it imports...
<llimllib> but thank you
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<My_Hearing> You could build a tree of all the constants before and after the require
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<My_Hearing> And get the difference between them
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<Mon_Ouie> Ah, thanks, I hadn't noticed
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<Spaceghostc2c> steveklabnik: Should I open a pull request first then work on code, or get some commits before opening one?
<andrewvos> Open it first, in case it gets denied!
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<andrewvos> No point in writing code if it never gets merged. Also, maybe the owner can tell you if your idea sucks or not.
<judofyr> Spaceghostc2c: you might also want to talk to the developer first (IRC? mailing list?)
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<judofyr> if there's no canonical place to discuss, I'd say open an empty pull request and talk there
<erikh> eh
<erikh> try the issues first
<judofyr> yeah, or there
<erikh> empty pull request is just an issue anyhow
<erikh> and a big +1 to asking first
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<steveklabnik> Spaceghostc2c: on what?
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<Spaceghostc2c> steveklabnik: On the hub of gits. About rails generator generating a config with deprecated method calls.
<steveklabnik> ah
<steveklabnik> so
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<steveklabnik> with rails
<steveklabnik> the default is 'opena pull request'
<steveklabnik> things dont change unless someone writes one
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<steveklabnik> if it's a huge change, and you want to know if it's gonna get accepted before you do the work, the posting to rails-core is appropriate
<steveklabnik> this change seems pretty obvious
<steveklabnik> if it's broken, it needs fixed
<steveklabnik> so fix it :)
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<Spaceghostc2c> steveklabnik: I'll keep that in mind. Stay frosty.
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<steveklabnik> :)
<steveklabnik> (even though I hate millitary anything)
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<rue|w> Centitary
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<mxktmdude> hi guys, i was wondering how to resolve this issue: root@myserver:/ /etc/init.d/git-ultrasphinx restart it says: You have already activated rake 0.9.2.2, but your Gemfile requires rake 0.8.7. Using bundle exec may solve this.
<drbrain> mxktmdude: did you try bundle exec like it says?
<mxktmdude> drbrain, i did and it still failed
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<drbrain> so you edited etc/init.d/git-ultrasphinx to use bundle exec?
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<mxktmdude> drbrain, im going to try again
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<mxktmdude> drbrain, i modified the init script and added trace which outputs the following: http://pastebin.com/qdu8xW1V
<drbrain> mxktmdude: I bet you need to add require 'thread' to your rails boot file thingy
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<mxktmdude> drbrain, this is the first time i have ever worked with ruby, been trying to install gitorious. How do i add the 'thread' thing? how would that affect the constants?
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<drbrain> mxktmdude: it'll affect them by making the missing one (Mutex) show up
<drbrain> I'm not sure exactly where you need to put it, though, since I'm not big on Rails
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<zenspider> mxktmdude: what version of bundler are you using? and rails?
<zenspider> your rake is pretty ancient too
<mxktmdude> root@gitorious:/var/www/gitorious# rake -V rake, version 0.9.2.2
<mxktmdude> i think gitorious needs rake 0.8.7
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<gamutgamut> seems very quite in here. :)
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<zenspider> gamutgamut: sometimes
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<gamutgamut> Looking for some exploratory help. I'm reading through Ruby THW and in Chp 17, a question was posed about "why one needs to use output_file.close()"...the script runs without it so I'm wondering why it's necessary...could it be because of compilation purpose / best practice???
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<drbrain> gamutgamut: it leaks file descriptors (until the GC reclaims them)
<drbrain> gamutgamut: I imagine that in a few more pages they'll teach you about the block form of open
<gamutgamut> kk...tx
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<drbrain> gamutgamut: on my OS there's only 256 available open file handles and ruby uses up four of them
<erikh> but if you omit the close you can do cool stuff like this
<erikh> File.open('/dev/null', 'w') << "blah"
<erikh> I probably am helping in the exact way one does not help
<drbrain> well, you can increase the fd count
<erikh> heh
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<erikh> big numbers are better, right? :)
<gamutgamut> uh...I just ran that. :)
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<gamutgamut> All I got was: "#<File:0x1041c8a40>"
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<erikh> gamutgamut: yeah, I was joking. don't do that.
<drbrain> it doesn't do anything harmful, it's just useless
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<gamutgamut> eh/db: tx. fun.
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<drbrain> erikh: besides, you should File.write "/dev/null", "blah"
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<erikh> yes yes
<erikh> I had a gut feeling you were going to tell me that.
<drbrain> better: File.write "/dev/null", "blah", 2**32
<steveklabnik> best: loop do File.write "/dev/null", "lols" end
<drbrain> we need /dev/lol
<erikh> do you have FUSE installed?
* erikh grins
<drbrain> … you could mkfifo
<drbrain> but you might end up with olo
<erikh> lolfs
<drbrain> or llo
<steveklabnik> /dev/yolo
<erikh> just a fs-based interface to ohinternet.com
<erikh> or 4chan.
<erikh> the latter of which could be disasterous.
<drbrain> I came across a mildly unfortunate domain name the other day, "gortrip.com"
<drbrain> it's supposed to be something like "go r trip", but I added an extra "e"
<zenspider> drbrain: eh. I had to jump through extra hoops yesterday because I opened too many file descriptors in exactly such a manner. it sucked :/
<matti> 4chan ...
<matti> ;d
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<erikh> ouch.
<drbrain> ugh, bundler didn't install rdoc
<zenspider> SURPRISE
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<volty> hi, with mechanize, i see in html what i'm insterested in (using page.body) under <meta name="description" content="..." ; how do I access it addressing it using page and a method (e.g. page.search or else) ?
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<drbrain> volty: page / 'meta' should get you all the meta elements
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<volty> drbrain: thx
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<drbrain> steveklabnik: re: your tweet — LOLOLOLOL
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<steveklabnik> drbrain: the turbolinks one?
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<erikh> turdolinks
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