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<
ReinH >
No, there's nothing like that
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ReinH >
I would consider it an antifeature
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ReinH >
if you want _ for variable names and static types, don't use ruby
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ReinH >
huh, that was like 5 hours ago...
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rubarlion >
ReinH: what about hashes?
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rubarlion >
is there a way to not use underscores in a long hash name?
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rubarlion >
and still access the hash
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swarley >
what are you talking about?
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rubarlion >
i want people to be able to type puts bighash['properties of x']
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rubarlion >
and display the hash, but I dont know how to do it without putting underscores in
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whitequark >
rubarlion: do you mean using symbols with spaces for a hash key?
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whitequark >
i.e. hash[:"symbol with spaces"]
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whitequark >
09:06 < whitequark> rubarlion: do you mean using symbols with spaces for a hash key?
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whitequark >
09:06 < whitequark> i.e. hash[:"symbol with spaces"]
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swarley >
rubarlion, you can use any object as a hash key
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swarley >
rubarlion, you can use any object as a hash key
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swarley >
puts hash[["I","Could","Do","This","If","I","Felt","Like","It"]]
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swarley >
i wish he could stay connected long enough for me to tell him he doesnt even need to use underscores
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whitequark >
swarley: don't bother
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swarley >
i wonder if he is registered
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* swarley
sends a memo
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whitequark >
er. what?
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swarley >
-MemoServ- The memo has been successfully sent to rubarlion.
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swarley >
/ms read new
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swarley >
it was too hard to send a chan message i knew you would see
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solondz >
hiya - I'm trying to write a little program, and I'm doing it test first. The first test I want to write is that the program can find some files in a directory. What's teh recommended way to set this test up? Have a fixtures directory? Create some files in the test and remove them? Or stub the method?
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rue >
solondz: You could use FakeFS
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solondz >
rue: thanks - will look that up.
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solondz >
What's a less ugly way of doing this:
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solondz >
name = key.split('/').last.split('.').first
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solondz >
where key is a path like "/path/to/somewhere/file.txt
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rue >
File.basename if I guess correctly
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solondz >
and I want just 'file'
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solondz >
File.basename(string, ".*")
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solondz >
how do I get verbose minittest output? I'm just running: ruby mytest.rb - but I'd like it to print out each spec
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solondz >
rather than just say: shit passed, yo
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rue >
I actually did not remember that .* worked for basename
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solondz >
steveklabnik: hey thanks, turn is really awesome.
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steveklabnik >
any time
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solondz >
first time i've used minitest/spec - it's nice; and I like not having to require rspec
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steveklabnik >
yeah, i went through a minitest fad, but i'm basically back to rspec these days.
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steveklabnik >
but projects i contribute to use minitests
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blowmage >
fad:: :(
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rue >
OMG it’s a blowmage
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blowmage >
ZOMG where?
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steveklabnik >
i should have said phase
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* blowmage
gives steveklabnik a big old bear hug
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steveklabnik >
<3 :D
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steveklabnik >
hows life?
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solondz >
blowmage: ponies at end of page on blowmage.com are epic. =)
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andrewvos >
Shit, that is cool.
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andrewvos >
Nice site. Responsive Design++
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heftig >
meh, but it uses javascript instead of css transitions :p
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andrewvos >
Burn the witch!
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Erlkoenig >
wah... why doesn't ruby have a "Boolean" class which would allow for "whatsthat.is_a?(Boolean)" oO
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whitequark >
Erlkoenig: because trueness is to be checked with "if whatever"
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swarley >
Erlkoenig, is_a? TrueClass
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whitequark >
swarley: fails on `false'
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swarley >
also, you could technically make it work with
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swarley >
class Boolean; end; class True; end; class False < True; end
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swarley >
True < Boolean
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swarley >
its not worth the effort though
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Erlkoenig >
so the only way to check for a boolean is "whatsthat.is_a?(TrueClass) || whatsthat.is_a?(FalseClass)" ?
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swarley >
if this == true or this == false
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Erlkoenig >
oh hm :D
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whitequark >
swarley: and how those True/False would help?
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swarley >
whitequark, it would help in is_a? but you would have to do a lot of monkey patches to make it worth anything
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whitequark >
swarley: it won't
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whitequark >
you have {True,False}Class < Object and you can't do anything with it [with pure Ruby]
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swarley >
it was mostly psudeo code
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whitequark >
you could define .boolean?, but it isn't there already by design
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swarley >
Erlkoenig, well, i just made a technical cheat
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swarley >
that is very bad practice lol
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: you may also see a lot of bang bang. !foo returns the opposite of its truthiness value, so !!foo returns foo converted to a boolean value. very hard to read and very non-obvious.
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: there's nothing that `if !!foo` offers that `if foo` does not do.
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ttilley >
> !!1 => true
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ttilley >
> if 1; true; end => true
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whitequark >
ttilley: there is nothing non-obvious with !!.
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whitequark >
if you don't know how it works already, you can trivially figure that out, because you do know how ! works
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: the message here being that you never really need to convert something to a boolean or check if it's a boolean. it will act as one when necessary. you only need to worry about implicit boolean-ness if you're serializing a value that is expected to be literal `true` or `false` when read back in
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whitequark >
^ that
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rue >
If you’re testing whether something is
*either* true or wrong, you’re doing it the latter.
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Erlkoenig >
ttilley: hmm.... i have some magic code that should do things depending on the type of some object
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: oh yeah. unlike some other languages, 0 is true. so is an empty string. nil is false.
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: then you're doing duck typing wrong
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: or have a special case, i guess, of which there are a number
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ttilley >
Erlkoenig: what kind of magic?
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swarley >
Erlkoenig, i just came up with a repulsive way to do true.is_a? Boolean
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Erlkoenig >
ttilley: uhm, it's a bit complicated
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swarley >
so if you want it, you can have it
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Erlkoenig >
swarley: tell me :D
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ttilley >
> foo = false => false
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ttilley >
> foo.is_a?(TrueClass) || foo.is_a?(FalseClass) => true
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ttilley >
why is this complicated?
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swarley >
the monkey patch of all monkey patches that should never be used in general code
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ttilley >
what's with the funky Boolean not-really-a-class?
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ttilley >
class Object; def is_bool?; !!self; end; end;
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ttilley >
why is this complicated again?
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Erlkoenig >
not really complicated, but a bit strange
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swarley >
[8] pry(main)> true.is_a? Boolean
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swarley >
cheating, but it works i guess
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swarley >
still, i wouldnt recommend it
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swarley >
i feel dirty having coded it
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whitequark >
there's an easier way if you really that want to do it
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whitequark >
module Boolean; class TrueClass; include Boolean; end; class FalseClass; # ditto
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whitequark >
erm, you got the idea
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swarley >
whitequark, oh yeah lol, i forgot include adds to the is_a
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rue >
It’s not complicated, it’s wroooooong
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whitequark >
rue: yeah
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rindolf >
Ggmar Hatimah Tovah.
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rindolf: g'mar tov
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rindolf >
valeri_ufo: thanks.
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rindolf >
valeri_ufo: what's up?
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valeri_ufo >
not much, reading about tail recursion :)
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rindolf >
valeri_ufo: ah, does Ruby have proper tail recursion?
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whitequark >
rindolf: short answer: no
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whitequark >
long answer: in MRI, you can enable it.
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rindolf >
whitequark: ah, OK.
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whitequark >
the conditions which lead to a tail call are a bit obscure through
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whitequark >
(compared to e.g. Scheme)
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workmad3 >
ruby implementations are allowed to do tail recursion, but aren't required to do so
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whitequark >
exactly
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workmad3 >
as opposed to python, iirc
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whitequark >
nope, python doesn't have such a requirement afaik
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python has a requirement that implementations
*don't* support tail call optimisation iirc
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workmad3 >
(I meant 'as opposed' as in 'ruby doesn't care while python does'... but realise I wasn't clear on that)
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whitequark >
ahh, maybe
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whitequark >
ostensibly it impairs debugging
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erikh >
the world according to guido.
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cirwin >
there should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it
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erikh >
other languages just add a keyword to indicate that TRO can be attempted in that call.
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cirwin >
tail call elimination would make there be two ways to do iteration :p
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cirwin >
erikh: that sounds disasterous
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erikh >
you know, because options are the debbil
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cirwin >
surely the compiler can tell much more easily than a human?
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erikh >
that's not the point of it.
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erikh >
TRO eliminates the stack, and can be harder to debug. guido is right about that.
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cirwin >
I guess it's nice to be explicit
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"let rec" in ocaml and "recur" in clojure explicitly say, "try to optimize this" but it's optional... recursion can be used anywhere of course
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I always assumed let rec was a parser hack so that you could refer to partially defined names
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cirwin >
but I guess that makes sense
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erikh: there's also (letrec) in Scheme.
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i'm going to rage
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/home/swarley/Documents/Programming/Ruby/YAIL/lib/yail/plugin.rb:10 <- does not qualify as a full backtrace
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TylerGillies: My guess is no.
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TylerGillies >
experiment in making datastructures thread safe if all the threads mutate separate addresses
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swarley >
TylerGillies, use benchmark to see for yourself
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swarley: thats what im doing now, the obvious is not always quite so obvious heh
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Or just `time my_insane_thread_stuff.rb`
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i would prolly save some speed by instantiating the threads first and then doing a proper pool rather than just limiting the amount
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swarley >
sometimes simplicity is worth the 0.01 seconds you'll lose without the threads
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lawl teh thread portion took 3 seconds
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must be because of the thread spinup/teardown
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TylerGillies: it won't be faster using threads in 1.8 or 1.9 MRI
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workmad3 >
TylerGillies: because you still have the GIL to contend with
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andrewvos >
Maybe you could switch to jruby?
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andrewvos >
Sorry, obvious troll.
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if im gonna use JVM i'll use clojure ;)
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whats the max thread pool size i should have before performance starts to drop?
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