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<solondz>
is there a prettier way than that?
<Rakko>
cool
<Rakko>
[1]? I would have thought it was [0]
<solondz>
me too
<solondz>
that's what I tried first!
<solondz>
hmm... seems 0 works too; now I'm puzzled... /me looks at the documentation
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<solondz>
right - so my test data had a first value that didn't match; so there wan't a match object, which I didn't note
<Rakko>
ah
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<solondz>
this doesn't feel quite right; i have to rescue the case where the regex doesn't match, and then I get nil in my array. I must be doing this the wrong way.
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<Rakko>
hmm
<solondz>
Rakko: btw I think $0 is the string we matched against, and $1 is the first match
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<yorickpeterse>
Morning
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<dr_bob>
Morning
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<stardiviner>
Why I can not get emails from ruby-talk ? I have already subscribed the mailing list. (I get reply which said I was automatically added).
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<dr_bob>
stardiviner, did you check your junk mail folder?
<stardiviner>
dr_bob: Yes, I use Gmail, I checked spam mailbox
<stardiviner>
dr_bob: and all other mailboxes, and I searched with from:ruby-talk, and ruby-talk, nothing except reply emails which I send to subscribe command
<dr_bob>
Hmm...
<dr_bob>
Did you try posting to the list? If so, what happened?
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<stardiviner>
dr_bob: Yes, nothing back ...
<dr_bob>
Could you find your posting in the archives?
<dr_bob>
certainty, not sure. I leave out brackets for keyword like things and use them, if I feel it makes things more readable + when it is required (i.e. when I want to chain calls).
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<dr_bob>
stardiviner, at the moment I am out of ideas. You could use ruby-forum in the meantime.
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<stardiviner>
dr_bob: Yeah, I search my emails in ruby-forum, I guess must somewhere is wrong. I will find it out. thanks still.
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<dr_bob>
stardiviner, if you have a google account you can easily use single sign on with the forum. Very convenient.
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<stardiviner>
dr_bob: good, thanks
<certainty>
dr_bob: i have other rules as well. I think it's, erm, wrong to do it the way the guy suggests it.
<bnagy>
afaik 'best practice' is use () iff required by syntax, or I guess where it is _really_ nonobvious what's happening
<bnagy>
which is not often
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<judofyr>
hey folks
<matti>
Hi
<matti>
How's life judofyr?
<judofyr>
pretty well
<matti>
Nice!
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<judofyr>
:)
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<judofyr>
whitequark: is it done yey?
<judofyr>
yet*
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<judofyr>
whitequark: sorry. I'll stop.
<matti>
LOL
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<abletony84>
good morning..
<abletony84>
judofyr: hey you around? was curious about your translate_with_link, is this how i'd make a similar translate_with_ruby? http://pastie.org/4790058
<judofyr>
abletony84: morning
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<abletony84>
kudos for translate_with_link by the way, you left before i got the chance to thank you
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<judofyr>
abletony84: ah, you're welcome :)
<abletony84>
gift is in the pm
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<judofyr>
abletony84: so, where does the href come from?
<judofyr>
oh, it's not a link anymore?
<abletony84>
nope
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<abletony84>
still gonna keep translate_with_link though.. just need this other one as well
<judofyr>
I'd probably use procs
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<judofyr>
<%= t :where_would_you_like_to_post, :category_name => proc { "#{@category.name} " if current_step?(:choose_subcategory) }, :category_type => proc { params[:category_type].singularize } %>
<abletony84>
oooh lah lah
<judofyr>
then you can use command[$1.to_sym].call to invoke the Ruby code
<judofyr>
it's a little ugly
<erikh>
a little?
<judofyr>
although in 1.9 you can use the stabby lambda syntax: :category_name => -> { "#{@category.name} " if current_step?(:choose_subcategory) }
<judofyr>
but the double arrow isn't pretty either :/
<robhu>
I believe this is a bug: `mkdir doesntexist; ln -s doesntexist mysymlink; rmdir doesntexist`; File.readlink('mysymlink') gives 'Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory - mysymlink'
<robhu>
File.exists?('mysymlink') gives false, while File.symlink?('mysymlink') gives true !
<workmad3>
robhu: you created a symbolic link
<workmad3>
robhu: so when you deleted the original dir, the symlink broke
<workmad3>
robhu: however, it is still a symlink
<robhu>
The symlink still exists and refers to a file which does not exist. File.readlink should return the name of the non-existent file.
<robhu>
That's the bug.
<workmad3>
hmm, possibly
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<robhu>
Possibly?
<robhu>
If I do ls -l I get "mysymlink -> doesntexist" … is it even possible to tell where it points in Ruby?
<judofyr>
robhu: it works fine here in 1.9.3
<robhu>
I'm on jruby. What platform are you on?
<judofyr>
MRI OS X
<judofyr>
probably a JRuby bug then
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<whitequark>
judofyr: np :)
<whitequark>
I'm mostly idling on IRC, so RTT can be sky high
<judofyr>
whitequark: I kinda want to implement my own little language using the same approach now
<whitequark>
judofyr: go ahead :) implementing programming languages is fun
<judofyr>
whitequark: I should probably read up on some type inference stuff though. got any resources?
<whitequark>
absolutely awesome book, contains most of the things you would need :)
<judofyr>
ooo, Friedman
<whitequark>
it can be kinda in depth at times, through
<whitequark>
like Mariana Trench deep :p
<whitequark>
still, very rewarding
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<judofyr>
whitequark: have you tried the Kindle version?
<judofyr>
whitequark: also, any thoughts on ed2 vs ed3?
<judofyr>
"The third edition loses the simplicity and elegance of the second, replacing it with unnecessary abstraction and complexity (expressed versus denoted values), and treating the fun, hands-on part (implementation in Scheme) almost as an afterthought."
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<whitequark>
judofyr: I consider Kindle pretty evil. whatever way, I just bought the paper version to avoid problems with DRM.
<whitequark>
as per ed2 vs ed3, I won't pull my reasoning from my memory right now (it's been a while since I bought it), but I've considered buying either of them and decided that ed3 suited my goals better
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<msch>
whitequark: i buy kindle books as long as removing the DRM remains as easy as it is right now.
<masterkorp>
msch: i hope so
<masterkorp>
i wish they read epub format
<msch>
masterkorp: sorry, need to clarify. right now i buy the book, remove the DRM and save the unprotected file. once the DRM changes so you can't remove it (easily) any more i won't buy any more books
<msch>
masterkorp: why? all the places that sell ebooks sell mobi too in my experience
<whitequark>
msch: is that legal at all?
<masterkorp>
whitequark: no
<msch>
whitequark: i think it is, right to private copy and all that. but i'm in the EU
<masterkorp>
msch: no even in the EU
<masterkorp>
well i prefer epub because its a open format
<masterkorp>
and DRM-free
<msch>
masterkorp: i need to look into that, just a moment
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<whitequark>
well seriously, fuck that. I'm buying either a DRM-free PDF or the paper book. I have completely no incentive to deal with all that.
<masterkorp>
but pdf sucks on ereaders
<whitequark>
indeed
<masterkorp>
the advantage of e-ink ereaders is the outside use
<msch>
masterkorp: ok, seems like in austria what i'm doing is legal according to the letter of the law, but there haven't been any court cases yet.
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<whitequark>
the advantage of paper books is the outside use and absence of weird restrictions.
<judofyr>
whitequark: Amazon has shown me that they actually care about the DRM'd products, so I'm fine with that. although I find it more useful to have reference books as paper books.
<whitequark>
judofyr: DRM is broken by design
<whitequark>
Amazon has deleted Orwell's 1984 remotely and without asking its users.
<masterkorp>
whitequark: well but they weight as shit, and suck on the beach
<whitequark>
haha
<masterkorp>
tried reading a 900 pages book on the beach?
<masterkorp>
it sucks
<whitequark>
masterkorp: kinda
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<masterkorp>
i love the kindle for that
<masterkorp>
i cycle to beach, read and do my notes there
* whitequark
shrugs
<masterkorp>
still having a productive weekend
<whitequark>
that's your choice
<judofyr>
whitequark: yes, and they have created top-notch products to Android, iOS, Mac, PC *and* Web. I'm more than satisfied with what they've done.
<judofyr>
it's not optimal, but I don't have a big problem with it
<masterkorp>
anyways i am getting way too much offtopic
<whitequark>
judofyr: Amazon's electronic products are convenient, but still broken by design. whatever, I'm not really going to discuss it
<whitequark>
I've found some articles on SKI calculus and such somewhat interesting, but pretty unwiely and not very easy to comprehend
<whitequark>
EOPL3 should have all the required background
<whitequark>
if you'll feel yourself adventurous, you could always follow the references in the Squeak article or others :)
<judofyr>
whitequark: thanks!
<judofyr>
whitequark: I'll probably never finish it though. I rarely finish projects :(
<whitequark>
judofyr: well, I expect that to be honest. There were probably ten or so such projects already, with varying degree of complexity/usefulness
<judofyr>
whitequark: did I ask about your GC plan? did you answer?
<whitequark>
Crystal, Opal, @headius's one, Ruby2C just from the top of my head
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<whitequark>
ah, GC. well, for JS backend that doesn't matter obviously, and for embedded I'd use some well-known, stable GC
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<whitequark>
not sure yet. Boehm maybe, through the one within Rubinius seems pretty nice too
<whitequark>
I'd still need to evaluate the performance in extreme low memory conditions. (well, "extreme" would be for desktops)
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<judofyr>
whitequark: just make it pretty "pluggable" so you can easily implement different versions
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<whitequark>
judofyr: sure thing
<whitequark>
thanks for the link btw
<judofyr>
whitequark: I've always wanted to have a really simple language where I could play with GC algorithms :P
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<judofyr>
whitequark: Petrank's sliding-views concepts are pretty smart if you want to support multiple cores
<judofyr>
"Sliding views collectors do not need to stop all the threads at a specific point in time to read their local variables. Thus, they allow extremely short pause times."
<whitequark>
judofyr: multiple cores are probably out of the scope yet
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<whitequark>
I'm not going to try to bite the JVM's field
<judofyr>
hehe
<judofyr>
whitequark: what do you think about _why's Potion?
<whitequark>
actually, I'm not competing with any existing implementations at all
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<whitequark>
judofyr: well... that's _why's project. It's nice and it has interesting facets... but really, no error handling?
<whitequark>
besides that, it can be quite unintuitive in its core concepts
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<judofyr>
whitequark: I was interested in the whole mixin-concept, but it doesn't seem to be complete :/
<whitequark>
it takes 80% of time to begin a project and another 80% to complete it :)
<judofyr>
so true
<whitequark>
jwz's software development law :)
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<judofyr>
so, anyone else has book recommendations (now that I'm buying paper books from Amazon)?
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<whitequark>
judofyr: EOPL3 will keep you busy for quite a while IMO :)
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<Harzilein>
hi
<Harzilein>
is there a way i can "suspend" and "continue" an irb-session? currently i do puts "expecting your modifications to @foo" ; IRB.start ; do_calculations(@foo) ; IRB.start and get warnings about reinitialized constants
<pri>
hi folks - what (or is there even any?) would be the advised/best way to create a _fully_ portable ruby binary including all extensions (zlib, openssl) + rubygems? I'd love to have it completely static ie. I can run it on any distro as long as the architecture is the same
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<judofyr>
Papis from the rvm-team has done a lot of work on statically compiled binaries
<pri>
yea
<pri>
talked to him yesterday
<Spaceghostc2c>
judofyr: They're interesting, but I'm still going to compile locally myself.
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<judofyr>
Spaceghostc2c: where did you come from? :S
<pri>
the point is, that rvm's static builds are not real static
<Harzilein>
judofyr: hmm... any idea how i could track your quest? sounds like an interesting question
<judofyr>
ah
<Spaceghostc2c>
judofyr: My mother and father.
<judofyr>
Harzilein: what quest? :S
<Harzilein>
oh, sorry
<Harzilein>
s/judofyr/pri/
<judofyr>
ah
<judofyr>
*puh*
<Spaceghostc2c>
pri: They're mostly precompiled, but not statically linked.
<pri>
yea
<wmoxam>
pri: maybe jruby would work for this?
<pri>
from my current pov it's not possible to link ruby statically at all
<pri>
the problem with jruby is the j
<pri>
:)
<wmoxam>
pri: yeah, you'd need java installed, but most desktop users have it
<pri>
it's not for desktop users
<wmoxam>
:/
<Spaceghostc2c>
wmoxam: I'm impressed. I thought you hated jruby. :D
<pri>
I am just curious why this usecase of a completely portable ruby did not come up yet in a more or less global manner
<wmoxam>
Spaceghostc2c: how'd you get that impression?
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<Spaceghostc2c>
pri: The JVM is great, java the language isn't.
<Spaceghostc2c>
wmoxam: I just figured.
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<wmoxam>
Spaceghostc2c: also, I'm more impressed by jruby the more I use it
<pri>
Spaceghostc2c: be that as it may .. there is no JVM .. nor do I want to introduce even more clutter
<pri>
:p
<wmoxam>
Spaceghostc2c: that java lib integration is great
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<Spaceghostc2c>
pri: Alright, I don't know your project, but my architecture with jruby is infinitely simpler and better than typical ruby apps.
<wmoxam>
Spaceghostc2c: I've been using it with Slick, it's been fun so far :D
<pri>
all I want is a predefined, statically-linked ruby setup which I can simply drop onto a machine and it's working
<Spaceghostc2c>
wmoxam: I haven't seen it! I'll look.
<Spaceghostc2c>
Oh!
<Spaceghostc2c>
Nifty.
<wmoxam>
:D
<pri>
Spaceghostc2c: the 'project' is to have ruby available on a brought amount of machines (which unfortunately are anything but alike only the arch is, and the whole setup lacks any kind of orchestration and/or configuration management framework)
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<Spaceghostc2c>
pri: Ah. Deployment stuff.
<pri>
yup :|
<wmoxam>
pri: sounds like a nightmare
<pri>
it is
<pri>
believe me..
<pri>
I want to change that situation .. but in order to get going with puppet/mcollective/chef/whatsoever .. I'd need ruby first :D
<pri>
and no, packages are not an option
<wmoxam>
pri: why no packages?
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<pri>
the infrastructure is anything but homogeneous
<pri>
there are even no ssh keys on the machines ..
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<pri>
believe me, you dont want to go down that route without configuration management
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<pri>
besides I suspect there are machines where I wouldnt even get packages for .. would need to build them, maintain the life cycle of these packages .. introduce proper update mechanisms etc. .. too much hassle .. a 'ruby-blob' so to speak which will work on any system is much easier to get going in the first place
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<pri>
besides the method should -practically- as less invasive as possible
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<andrewvos>
Hey, I want to set up mail forwarding from a domain I own to my gmail account. Any thoughts on what a good service for this is. I'm about to go with fastmail.
<andrewvos>
There should be a ? up in there ^
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<matti>
Is this a Ruby question? ;]
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<zzak>
andrewvos: are you trying to forward your own domain to gmail?
<matti>
andrewvos: Configure your MUA and/or MTA to forward to your GMail.
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<matti>
andrewvos: Or, add your external account to GMail (POP, etc).
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<matti>
andrewvos: Or get free Google Apps and move your domain to host MX for you there.
<zzak>
i like to use google apps
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<matti>
zzak: I not so much.
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<matti>
zzak: They always seem to miss common sense features.
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<matti>
zzak: Hey! Anything to fix in Ruby as of late? Looking at the bug tracker does not yield anything obvious.
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<andrewvos>
matti: Nope sorry, it's not :)
<andrewvos>
matti: I have a domain, and I just want my mail forwarded to my gmail account.
<andrewvos>
It's a non-apps account.
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<andrewvos>
Seems dnsimple actually does this!
<matti>
;d
<andrewvos>
But only 1000 emails, hmm. Wonder if they'll jst stop delivering them after that.
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<andrewvos>
Damn, I love giving dnsimple my money. Their site is just so simple.
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<postmodern>
is sdoc even needed anymore, given the updates to rdoc/
<postmodern>
?
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<steveklabnik>
postmodern: right
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<steveklabnik>
:p
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<drbrain>
postmodern: if you want the sdoc style, yes
<drbrain>
if you want live searching, no
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<postmodern>
drbrain, ah ha, thought so
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