<foog23>
geez, what a small channel :/ #ruby is bigger
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<lianj>
what a measure…
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<foog23>
indeed
<foog23>
over 600 in #ruby
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<Lomax>
pastie: hook me up
<foog23>
also seems like the ops are better there too, I measure a channel by the ban list. Usually people are passive aggressive and ignorant if the ban list is quite long
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<lianj>
foog23: youre free to leave here :)
<Lomax>
so, pastie.org / freenode integration is dead, right?
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<CrazyHorse18>
hey.. i need to create a fast UDP server
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<CrazyHorse18>
is using ruby threads (i.e. Thread.new) and ruby's UDPSocket class good enough?
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<Spaceghostc2c>
CrazyHorse18: UDP and fast aren't exactly buddies.
<CrazyHorse18>
what's better than UDP?
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<Spaceghostc2c>
Meth, but that's besides the point. What are you trying to accomplish?
<CrazyHorse18>
i've got several thousand devices that communicate to a server, need to accept the data, and decode it
<CrazyHorse18>
they are split into TCP, UDP and TCP/SMTP devices
<CrazyHorse18>
our current servers are a bit unreliable and can be slow
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<CrazyHorse18>
so we're looking at rebuilding them all (especially since we have 2 new ones to build anyway)
<lianj>
eventmachine too, but he is already in that room..
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<whatasunnyday>
Hey, I'm getting a no method error exception from a module I'm using in my sinatra application. Would someone mind putting a second set of eyes on this please? http://pastie.org/4912185
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<whatasunnyday>
I figured it out. I needed to add module_method :symbol
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<whatasunnyday>
where symbol was my function
<whatasunnyday>
thanks anyways!
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<sunaku>
whatasunnyday: or 'extend self' inside your module body
<whatasunnyday>
extend self?
<whatasunnyday>
do you mean self.get?
<sunaku>
nope. i meant exactly that :)
<whatasunnyday>
just looked it up, very interesting.
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<sunaku>
did you ever code in java?
<whatasunnyday>
i have
<sunaku>
good. ruby has an easy way to make "singleton classes": module Foo; extend self; ...; end
<whatasunnyday>
ah got it
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<whatasunnyday>
cool stuff
<whatasunnyday>
thanks
<sunaku>
now Foo cannot be instantiated, but it has all its logic hidden inside :)
<sunaku>
np, enjoy ruby
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<whatasunnyday>
sunaku, question... is it the same as class << self
<sunaku>
similar, yes. class << self opens up the "singleton class" (not to be confused with java terminology)
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<Harzilein>
good morning ;)
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<Harzilein>
what's the recommended read method for streaming a file to a pure ruby xml/json/whatever streaming parser?
<Harzilein>
they don't seem to have examples for this, i see their benchmarks use File.read with no size argument, which is unlikely to be representative of their real world usage ;)
<Harzilein>
(they do have examples for sockets sometimes)
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<CrazyHorse18>
hey
<CrazyHorse18>
how do i get this
<CrazyHorse18>
\344\275\240
<CrazyHorse18>
into characters?
<CrazyHorse18>
this is 你
<CrazyHorse18>
i've got no idea what character encoding it is
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<Harzilein>
CrazyHorse18: i can tell you which character encoding it is, and i could find a way for you to get characters out of it, but someone else (or the docs) would need to tell you what's the semantically "right" approach. on a linux shell though:
<Harzilein>
CrazyHorse18: and they represent a utf8 character
<Harzilein>
CrazyHorse18: are you sure you have to parse that string? did you use pp instead of puts for printing it?
<Harzilein>
CrazyHorse18: you might already have those bytes
<CrazyHorse18>
i'm using the google translate api
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<CrazyHorse18>
and i want to get it back as a character
<Harzilein>
CrazyHorse18: then you only need to interpret them as utf-8
<CrazyHorse18>
but i get it back as \344\275\240 etc
<CrazyHorse18>
how do i do that? or you can't do that in IRB?
<Harzilein>
CrazyHorse18: if you are using a gem i'm pretty sure it won't give you a \-escape with octal, that's actually pp or irb printing your string
<CrazyHorse18>
ah right
<Harzilein>
s/printing/"pretty"-printing/
<Harzilein>
use puts YourLibrary.call(:to => "get", :whatever => [:string, YOU], "want", [:from, :google]) instead of having irb print it for you
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<CrazyHorse18>
Yes that was the issue :)
<CrazyHorse18>
thankyou very much
<erikh>
"".encoding.to_s
<erikh>
will tell you what encoding ruby thinks it is.
<Harzilein>
.oO( for me, there's not much difference between that chinese character and random numbers. the rendering of the glyph might be prettier than some boring number though ;)
<erikh>
and the escapes you are seeing are because irb by default returns the value applied against #inspect, which for string does exactly that (print the escape value for each byte)
<erikh>
if you want to see the value of the string presented as your terminal would see it, use 'puts'
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<CrazyHorse18>
Harzilein: yeah.. most of them i can't read either
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<CrazyHorse18>
but i have the english so.. i know this '请求激活密码已超过48小时，此链接失效.' means 'It has been more than 48 hours since the request to activate your account was sent so this link can no longer \n be used.',
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<Harzilein>
i don't even know the stroke order of anything but the most basic ones, so i cannot look them up if they are not in a digital format
<CrazyHorse18>
ah i just find out the pinyin… also failing that you can just draw them on OSX
<Harzilein>
i only have a tool that allows me to "paint" a character and have it looked up, what i'd really want is one where i "construct" it and have the system look for one that is optically similar to what i have constructed
<CrazyHorse18>
what operating system are you running?
<Harzilein>
linux
<CrazyHorse18>
Hmm
<CrazyHorse18>
i don't know if they have a drawing input in linux
<CrazyHorse18>
that's pretty much what the osx input does, you just draw it on the trackpad and it matches the characters
<CrazyHorse18>
Are you studying some language?
<Harzilein>
no, but i work IT in a translation agency and feel dumb for only knowing my mother tongue + english + bits of french and spanish ;)
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<CrazyHorse18>
yeah.. like a guy i met yesterday could speak fluent arabic, chinese, english and russian
<CrazyHorse18>
i mean they are about as diverse as you can get
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<andrewvos>
CTRL+P, WHY YOU CHANGE DIRECTORIES ALL THE DAMN TIME
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<krisjk>
I have an app created usinfg the cramp framework (http://cramp.in). I need to setup authentication for the app. In Rails i have used Device. Can Device be used outside rails to provide authentication in any ruby based app ?
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<imperator>
are people typically putting a Gemfile in their projects these days?
<imperator>
i mean their standalone libs, not rails projects
<soahccc>
imperator: lib or tool and is it a gem or not?
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<soahccc>
I think Gemfiles are always welcome. In gems they are very common even for libraries
<imperator>
lib, yes it's a gem
<soahccc>
then just add it but there usually is only one entry in it
<gnufied>
imperator: yes, people are keeping Gemfile even for gems.
<gnufied>
but you need not actually.
<gnufied>
also never checkin Gemfile.lock for gems
<gnufied>
actually one may skip Gemfile entirely for gems. the only real purpose they serve is, ease in development.
<gnufied>
you still specify your dependencies in gemspec file
<soahccc>
imperator: You really should define dependencies in your gemspec but keep exactly this word in your gemfile: source 'http://rubygems.org' \n gemspec
<soahccc>
gnufied: Hmm so sources in a gem's Gemfile are ignored later on client side?
<gnufied>
rubygems is entirely unaware of Gemfiles
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<imperator>
soahccc, the patch i got has "source :rubygems; gemspec"
<gnufied>
so, definitely ignored.
<soahccc>
gnufied: Yeah and bundler?
<soahccc>
I manage all my application's gems with bundler so bundler ignores those gemfiles too?
<gnufied>
afaik bundler won't use Gemfile of included gems
<gnufied>
yeah
<soahccc>
hmmm can you define sources in the gemspec though? Would be a bit unpractical though
<gnufied>
why would you need sources in deployed gems?
<gnufied>
there is only one canonical source. rubygems.org
<imperator>
you can specify a source on the command line i think
<gnufied>
however, if you want bundler to fetch gem depenencies for gems that you using from another source, you will have to specify it explictly in your own projects's Gemfile
<imperator>
presumably you're targeting an internal repo or a mirror
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<gnufied>
imperator: yup true.
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<soahccc>
and dr_bob thank you :) Just that easy
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<zzak_>
andrewvos: sup?
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<andrewvos>
zzak_: Nothing?
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<zzak_>
oh, you pinged me earlier
<andrewvos>
I think I asked something ... oh yeah. offlineimap doesn't sync Gmail chats?
<zzak_>
did freenode go down or something?
<andrewvos>
Not sure
<zzak_>
andrewvos: oh, idk i dont use gchat
<andrewvos>
oh (
<andrewvos>
:(*
<zzak_>
weird
<zzak_>
i had reconnected at some point, but my session stayed up
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<rindolf>
Hi all.
<soahccc>
Damnit. I really thought the linux kernel doing something convinient but I was just dreaming. Of course inotify DOES NOT support recursivity... Such a damn senseless feature and wasted time...
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<ddfreyne>
it’s not really updated anymore, because it just works fine :)
<ddfreyne>
it’s been used in nanoc for a few years now
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<JoelMcCracken>
ok
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<ddfreyne>
and you could probably easily generate shell completions for it, but I haven’t gotten around to doing that yet - http://nanoc.stoneship.org/neps/0035/
<JoelMcCracken>
dont care much for shell completions, I don't use zsh
<ddfreyne>
bash has them too
<JoelMcCracken>
oh, that's news to me
<ddfreyne>
so you could type “nanoc co<tab>” and have it suggest compile, create-site etc
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<ddfreyne>
haven’t implemented that yet (at least not in an automatic fashion)
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<rue>
ddfreyne: I wouldn’t have it suggest create-site if you tab from co :)
<ddfreyne>
rue: doh :)
<ddfreyne>
rue: c<tab>
<ddfreyne>
actually if you just say “nanoc c” it will say:
<ddfreyne>
nanoc: 'c' is ambiguous: compile create-item create-layout create-site
<ddfreyne>
and if you write “co” it will assume you mean “compile”, so you can nicely abbreviate commands
<ddfreyne>
unlike git, where you can’t use “git st” but you have to type “git status” entirely
<ddfreyne>
silly git
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<ddd>
because st could mean stage or status or stash
<ddd>
not really silly. since there is no way to know which you mean just off 2 letters, and even with 3 it still couldn't tell
<ddd>
which is why git help alias works great :)
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<zenspider>
what nerd bags do you guys use? mine is falling apart and I love it to death but the maker's designer now sucks and makes inferior bags
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<zenspider>
gauntlet 2.0.1 released!
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<imperator>
wtf is a nerd bag?
<ddd>
zenspider: I use my Swiss Gear laptop bag. Carries everything computer and tablet. Even a bit of survival gear (pogey bait, lensatic compass, field knife, fire kit, etc.)
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<zenspider>
imperator: IF YOU HAVE TO ASK YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND
<zenspider>
pogey bait?
<zenspider>
looks like my question was fogey bait :P
<imperator>
i'm sure it's probably a pink purse with a unicorn or rainbow or something
<zenspider>
ew. samsclub
<zenspider>
yeah. I got it.
<ddd>
zenspider: hehe sorry, was a fast search that showed something similar to what i have
<zenspider>
imperator: how'd you know?!?
<rue>
imperator: Hipster wear
<zenspider>
yeah. I'm not backpack compatible.
<zenspider>
unless it's one of those one strap ones
<zenspider>
interesting design tho
<rue>
I’ve a Golla and a Rapha
<thatdutchguy>
I have a Dakine, they're nice too
<ddd>
i'm used to rucks so the size of this one worked for me. can fit my 15" MBP, ASUS Trasnformer HD Tablet, couple books, folders, cables and what not, plus the extra survival gear i mentioned. works for me
<thatdutchguy>
Single strap ones kill your shoulders
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<ddd>
yeah. Tried using my NBC bag from the service for awhile. wasn't.. comfortable to say the least.
<zenspider>
rue: urls?
<zenspider>
thatdutchguy: not with my shoulders :P
<zenspider>
I've been single-shouldering one bag or another for most of my life
<zenspider>
I'm looking at a couple tom bihns... gonna go down and look at them next week
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<zenspider>
currently looking at ego, id, and ristretto
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<ddd>
i'd recommend the Smart Alec but you said you don't like the backpack styles. I can say from personal experience that one is quite comfortable though
<ddd>
i take it you don't carry much more than the lappy and its charger then
<ddd>
or that thing expands more than it shows in the pics
<rue>
The latter can hold quite a bit. The former, no
<zenspider>
I pack a whole office and carry it at pretty much all times
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<ddd>
zenspider: hehe yeah, i've cables for just about everything i can possibly do with the MBP, plus common-carry items like usb drives, thumb drives, dvd backups, linux install dvds, papers galore, and my 'private' gear. sometimes i swear it weighs as much as a standard packed duffle hehe
<rue>
Meant to order one of these: http://purjebagit.fi/ but never got around to it. They do custom work from old sails
<zenspider>
laptop, phone, ipad, mifi, 2-3 books, charger, peripherals, notepad, pens, sunglasses, wallet, passport, and usually pogey bait to prevent drops
<rue>
Paper books eek
<ddd>
rue see the image like 3rd image down with all the packs? that 2nd row, first one.. now that i could deal with if i ever switched
<zenspider>
best way for me to learn...
<ddd>
zenspider: i've paper books too, but usually only carry maybe 1 or 2. 99% of my books are on the tablet in ebook (pdf) format
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<ddd>
plus I stock dropbox with all my books. unoriginally, I named my private dir 'Library' :)
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<rue>
Simplify!
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<rue>
“Bag requirements: must be able to accommodate TAOCP”
<ddd>
trying to talk the wife into getting me an ipad1/2 for xmas though. tired of the android tablet.
<zenspider>
rue: simplify learning? no.
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<zenspider>
ebooks suck for my learning style
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<zenspider>
I can often tell you roughly where in a book something was and what side of the page from 10 years ago... ebooks? not so much.
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<ddd>
my core books i have in paper. (and ebook for emergencies) like TWGR, rspec and cucumber books, rails 3 in action, build awesome commandline apps, etc. but majoratively i read off the tablet. plus its cheaper to get ebooks than paper, and with money as tight as it is, i'll suffer through digital :)
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<ddd>
zenspider: but i can agree with you. something about the feel of paper, the physical act of turning a page.. adds to the ability to learn somehow. (more senses involved?)
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<rue>
Or it could be a formative reinforcer
<rue>
We all learned to read on paper
<ddd>
grounds for probability
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<rue>
IF ANY OF YOU DIDN’T, PLEASE LEAVE NOW
<zenspider>
ddd: yup yup
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<lianj>
doing "/" or "ctrlf" on paper is a bit awkward though
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<ddd>
hah
<zenspider>
doesn't actually seem like a weak point to me.
<zenspider>
the only drawback for me is weight and I can handle that pretty well
<zenspider>
and wear... my grandmother's math book is one of my favorite books ever and it is threadbare
<zenspider>
I photographed it tho
<lianj>
uses as evidence is some murder cases too
<lianj>
*used
<ddd>
My book called 'Flight' about the building of NASA is like that. One of those books I just read over and over. facinating stuff to me
<ddd>
not sure if anyone else is into space flight, but flight covers the building of nasa and christopher kraft was the first mission control director. book is his account of how the program grew. failures etc. great book
<zenspider>
nice
<ddd>
wow, 1917!
<zenspider>
I'm actually transcribing the book into mathematica
<oddmunds>
nixe
<oddmunds>
nice
<ddd>
yeah i'd vacuum seal that sucker!
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<ddd>
rofl, that was funny sas hell. my youngest let all 3 cats out and two of the dogs. he ran screaming after the cats. he's got one under each arm running back yelling "the kitties are out the kitties are out!" trying to scoop up the other one *and* one of the dogs. lol tryin to scoop 4 animals in his 6yo arms.
<ddd>
kids
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<rue>
:)
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<zenspider>
minitest 4.1.0 released!
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<mcantor>
Who knows what "MSL" means in the context of calculating indent levels?
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<whitequark>
fuck, it's 2012. why do I have to replicate VT-52 control commands all over again?!
<whitequark>
it's like two times older than me, yet it still haunts everyone around
<whitequark>
(to be precise, I've been doing clang-style ~~~~~^^ error marks for pretty-printing exceptions and <pre> displays tabs on fixed 8-character grid.)
<blowmage>
zenspider: nice!
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