#ruby-lang on 2012-10-06 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2012-02-28 15:54 ChanServ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 1.9.3-p125: http://ruby-lang.org | Paste >3 lines of text on http://pastie.org or use a gist

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00:06 <richardjortega> anyone use saucelabs?

00:07 <richardjortega> trying to figure out how to return html source from selenium-webdriver

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00:23 <zenspider> whitequark: ain't broke....

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00:26 <whitequark> zenspider: well, it's not like I would seriously encourage everyone to abolish tabs

00:26 <whitequark> also

00:26 <whitequark> when was the last time you've used \v?

00:27 <whitequark> bonus points for not doing that while writing an escape sequence parser

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02:03 <doug> ok, this is horrible: hs,pt,pw = Mordred::Pasta.configuration.host, Mordred::Pasta.configuration.port, Mordred::Pasta.configuration.password

02:03 <doug> what's the best way to knock that down a bit?

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02:06 <doug> or a lot

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02:22 <matti> doug: c = Mordred::Pasta.configuration

02:22 <matti> doug: c.host? ... c.port?

02:23 <matti> drbrain, erikh, tenderlove: Did any of you try to use Bignum's C API at any point in time?

02:24 <matti> drbrain, erikh, tenderlove: I am trying to macro a lot to get Fixnum and Bignum working, but it does not seem to be happy later on i.e. cannot find symbols of e.g. rb_big_mul, etc.

02:24 * matti is giving up the fight for today, too tired.

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02:39 <doug> matti: thanks for the try, would prefer a one-liner

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02:43 <matti> doug: LOL, so.. how do you want to improve ugly on-liner?

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02:56 <doug> matti: fewer repeats of the same string

02:56 <doug> matti: compressing it

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04:03 <solondz> Is it possible to create a hash out of an array by specifying the keys the hash should have and an array with the same number?

04:03 <solondz> for example

04:03 <solondz> make_a_hash(keys, values)

04:04 <solondz> where keys = ["fred", "jim"]

04:04 <solondz> and values = [1,3]

04:04 <solondz> #=> {"fred" => 1, "jim" => 3}

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04:06 <sunaku> solondz: Hash[ keys.zip(values) ]

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04:09 * solondz was thinking about zip and transpose

04:09 * solondz reads about zip again

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04:13 <sunaku> zip is such an awesome name for what the method does

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04:13 * sunaku has trouble naming things in software

04:13 <solondz> sunaku: yeah, if you think about the teeth of the zip!

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04:14 * sunaku would think of a non-awesome name, like "interlace"

04:14 <sunaku> true. it's really clever

04:15 * sunaku loves short, clever names

04:15 <solondz> sunaku: that was totally the method I was thinking; interleave or interlace

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04:18 <sunaku> alas, i am but an ordinary programmer

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04:19 <sunaku> interleave seems cooler BTW

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06:36 <rue> Actually, those are all slightly inaccurate

06:36 <rue> If you consider it entirely too hard

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07:59 <manveru> type theorists spend all day long trying to come up with clever names like this

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09:10 <sunaku> manveru: glad i'm not the only one who spends (too much) time (re)naming things :)

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15:06 <brotspinne> hello. I have a question about to_s + to_str vs. to_a + to_ary with a rails class. in the rails safebuffer class, to_s returns self and to_str returns a real string. in the ruby array class this is reversed. to_a returns a real array (even with a subclass) and to_ary returns self. code: http://pastie.org/4922274 so my question is now which one is acting wrong? because I think this is inconsistent

15:08 <Mon_Ouie> If you create a subclass of String, both #to_str and #to_s will return String instances

15:09 <brotspinne> Mon_Ouie: yes but not so with the rails safebuffer class and the array class

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15:10 <Mon_Ouie> I tend to think the behavior of subclasses of core classes is rather hard to predict. Ideally, code should still work if it always returned an instance of the superclass (except for stuff like #dup and #clone of course)

15:14 <brotspinne> Mon_Ouie: true. but what I want is a method which always returns the superclass. and then I found this inconsistency and how I'm a little bit unsure with this methods

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15:14 <Mon_Ouie> Is that active record class an actual subclass of String?

15:15 <whitequark> Mon_Ouie: leaking optimizatin in MRI.

15:15 <whitequark> I would expect rbx to act correctly there.

15:15 <Mon_Ouie> Where exactly?

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15:16 <whitequark> Mon_Ouie: subclasses of string classes

15:16 <brotspinne> Mon_Ouie: yes it's a sublcass

15:16 <whitequark> *builtin classes in general

15:16 <brotspinne> but it has nothing do to with activerecord

15:17 <Mon_Ouie> It has everything to do with it, because that means they redefined #to_s to return self

15:17 <Mon_Ouie> Since the default implementation returns a direct instance of String

15:18 <brotspinne> https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext/string/output_safety.rb#L161

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15:23 <brotspinne> so which class is acting wrong?

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15:24 <brotspinne> I don't understand why even the plan string and array classes are different with this

15:24 <brotspinne> plain*

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15:27 <brotspinne> whitequark: what is rbx?

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15:29 <whitequark> brotspinne: rubinius

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15:36 <KA_> morning was goggling fro the order in which methods are evaluated in ruby?

15:36 <KA_> googling

15:36 <manveru> KA_: like?

15:37 <manveru> from left to right, and args before the method they are being passed to

15:39 <KA_> thanks, just to understand the second half of your answer, args before the methods they are passed to...

15:39 <manveru> fourth(first, second, third)

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15:40 <KA_> awesome!

15:40 <KA_> thanks

15:40 <manveru> np

15:40 <Mon_Ouie> Also first.third(second)

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15:40 <Mon_Ouie> (All I did was testing that with (raise "test").foo(raise "bar"))

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15:42 <manveru> >> p(1).send(:p, p(2), p(3))

15:42 <manveru> 1

15:42 <manveru> 2

15:42 <manveru> 3

15:42 <manveru> well, goes on, but didn't wanna do more than 4 lines :)

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15:45 <KA_> thanks Mon

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17:16 <KA_> How can I sort the list of methods Kernel.methods

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17:17 <KA_> Morning btw : )

17:17 <lianj> .sort

17:18 <KA_> danke

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19:59 <zzak> steveklabnik: i just committed your thread.c patch, thanks!

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20:04 <aef> there is a core library named Etc which is butt ugly. i need to access the usernames of the members of a specific group in my linux system. is there a library with a prettier interface than Etc around which can handle this for me?

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20:07 <matti> aef: None that I know off.

20:07 <matti> aef: But you can write one yourself real quick.

20:07 <matti> aef: Mind you, that Etc is portable.

20:08 <aef> matti: I hoped I could circumvent coding it myself once :)

20:08 <matti> Just use Etc.

20:09 <steveklabnik> zzak: <3

20:09 <matti> aef: Aescetics of Etc are really a problem that you can live with.

20:09 <matti> Ohai zzak

20:09 <matti> steveklabnik: +1

20:09 <aef> matti: speak for yourself if you want. i actually cannot.

20:10 <matti> LOL

20:10 <matti> What is with people nowadays.

20:10 <aef> matti: i don't think those C API names belong in readable Ruby code

20:10 <matti> Fiest, some dude wants to make an utterly idiotic one-line of code more pretty.

20:11 <matti> And now Etc is ugly.

20:11 <matti> Fuck me.

20:11 <matti> aef: Then dude, you have a problem.

20:11 <matti> I am glad I am not you, tho.

20:11 <matti> ;]

20:12 <matti> drbrain, erikh, tenderlove: I ended up abusing rb_funcall in a set of macros, in the end.

20:12 <matti> drbrain, erikh, tenderlove: Seems to be the common theme.

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23:52 <oddmunds> is there any way i could have a regexp match all possible matches? "abcdef" -> "abc", "bcd", "cde", "def". and not just "abc", "def"?

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23:59 <rue> Yes, but what’s the point?