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<arooni-mobile> must i declare all instance vars within initialize or can i declare them on the fly too
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<Spaceghostc2c> arooni-mobile: You don't 'need' to declare them ahead of time.
<Spaceghostc2c> ruby is dynamic.
<Erlkoenig> variables just start to exist when you first assign to them
<erikh> that said, do the people who read your code a favor and try to declare them in your initializer.
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<erikh> just because you can doesn't mean you should.
<arooni-mobile> got it thanks
<Spaceghostc2c> erikh: Meh, that works for lots of stuff, and definitely do when you can, but it shouldn't be a 'rule'.
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<arooni-mobile> if i have>>>> "Tagged - Gregory Garcia" and i want to extract out the name.... but the name might be arbitrarily large... the first part is always the same. would i do name = string[8,999]
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<Spaceghostc2c> arooni-mobile: regular expressions.
<Spaceghostc2c> Or split or match
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<Erlkoenig> arooni-mobile: just string[8,-1}
<Erlkoenig> whoops
<Erlkoenig> string[8..-1]
<arooni-mobile> ah so -1 lets you select till end of string
<arooni-mobile> thats what i was looking for
<Erlkoenig> exactly
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<Erlkoenig> you could also do string[8..string.length-1] which is the same
<arooni-mobile> cool thank you
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<zzak> who is mars and why do i keep getting DCC from them?
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<seanstickle> zzak: it's that Curiosity rover
<seanstickle> zzak: it's trying to send you classified pics of Martian life
<zzak> oh, sweet
<lianj> thought it was in norway now
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<mars777> hello
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<mars777> Hello everybody
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<mars777> Can somebody please review my Ruby code and see if it is correct in solving a Ruby Coding Challenge. I would appreciate it.
<mars777> If you have a moment please write to me. Thanks
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<burgestrand> mars777: you’re likely to get far more reviewers if you paste your code online and shove the link in here.
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<burgestrand> mars777: by requiring your helpers to message you you’ve increased the threshold of helping you significantly.
<Spaceghostc2c> burgestrand: I was just about to send out a carrier pidgeon with a message for him. :(
<burgestrand> Was considering a drift bottle.
<mars777> Oh ok thanks
<burgestrand> Interestingly, Swedish has a word for that: flaskpost.
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<rue> Yes, pulloposti.
<rue> Message-in-a-bottle is a little less rolly-off-the-tongue
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<abletony84> Hey, trying to show <h3>Category <span>1234</span></h3> with this helper, although Category should link to that category if allow_posting == true..
<abletony84> http://pastie.org/4890194 doesn't feel entirely right plus it has some duplicate code - anybody have any suggestions how to fix it?
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<andrewvos> Can anyone see anything particularly bad about this? `ruby_method_name = method[:name].gsub(/([A-Z])/) { "_" + $1.downcase }`
<heftig> andrewvos should be (:name)?
<heftig> uh
<heftig> what's "method"?
<heftig> is it the "method" method, or a hash?
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<andrewvos> heftig: It's a hash sorry. I was referring to the way I'm converting method names from methodName to method_name.
<andrewvos> This is all I was asking about `.gsub(/([A-Z])/) { "_" + $1.downcase }`
<andrewvos> Wondering if I'm missing any edge cases
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<heftig> i'd use "methodName".gsub(/[A-Z]/) { |cap| "_" + cap.downcase } instead of the globals
<andrewvos> heftig: Ahh yes. Forgot about that param in the gsub block.
<andrewvos> Probably more readable
<andrewvos> Thanks
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<heftig> andrewvos: hmm, the activesupport underscorer seems to convert SSLError to ssl_error
<TTilus> dum-di-dum, whats the deal behind def foo; else puts 'asdf'; end _not_ being a syntax error?
<TTilus> rue: sting made it roll of the tongue pretty smoothly
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<andrewvos> heftig: Thanks!
<andrewvos> Not sure I need all that though
<andrewvos> My use case is pretty small
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<andrewvos> Erm, if a jar file has an Apache 2.0 license, can I distribute it with my unlicensed gem?
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<andrewvos> Fucking licenses. So irritating
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<andrewvos> Disregard all that, my answer is not to distribute it.
<workmad3> andrewvos: if your gem has no licence, no one can use it :P
<workmad3> andrewvos: regarding distributing the jar... it depends on the licence that your gem is using
<andrewvos> workmad3: yeah yeah yeah :)
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<andrewvos> workmad3: I will just add in the readme that they have to install the jar themselves.
<rue> Add a licence instead
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<workmad3> add a licence and then add a rake task or other command that will install the jar for them ;)
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<andrewvos> haha yeah
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<andrewvos> Classic quote from #java "<pseudonymous> I'm just a student and while I'd like to get this done right, I'm not nearly wealthy enough to pick up a profiler (nor do I like java enough to invest like that)"
<burgestrand> andrewvos: yes, if you include a copy of the apache license in your gem
<andrewvos> burgestrand: By include a copy, you mean just next to the jar file?
<andrewvos> burgestrand: As in, not licensing my app with Apache 2.0?
<burgestrand> andrewvos: yeah, no need to license your app as apache 2.0, you just need to make sure any user of your gem retains a copy of the license somehow
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<andrewvos> Okay
<burgestrand> redistribution without modification is the only thing the apache license got right
<andrewvos> So they don't have to see the license then?
<burgestrand> andrewvos: no, you just need to make sure the users of your gem (or rather, the jar) receive a copy of the license. Oh, I also forgot: if there is a NOTICE file distributed with the jar it must be available too.
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<burgestrand> andrewvos: http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html — Redistribution
<andrewvos> Ahhh, okay thanks burgestrand!
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<burgestrand> At least the license is kind of small, unlike the GPL licenses :p
<andrewvos> Heh :)
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<burgestrand> andrewvos: if in doubt, you could always ask the original author(s) of the jar and ask them about it. It’s unlikely they know themselves why they even have Apache 2.0 (apart from it being a known license), but it can’t hurt.
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<andrewvos> Thanks, I might just do that. For now I'm just teling users of my gem to install it somewhere.
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<workmad3> andrewvos: you also need to make sure that the licence of your gem is compatible with the jar's licence
<workmad3> andrewvos: which is why that's important ;)
<andrewvos> Hm
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<workmad3> andrewvos: if you tried to distribute your gem as GPL, for example, then that applies to the entire distribution
<andrewvos> Ok fair enough
<andrewvos> I think keeping the tool as an external dependency is probably the best bet for now
<andrewvos> then
<workmad3> yeah
<workmad3> although having a way to install it via your gem would be nice and easy :)
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<andrewvos> Yeah true
<andrewvos> I will do that actually
<workmad3> and avoids a lot of licencing issues (which typically apply to the exact distribution)
<andrewvos> Automatically install it on first run perhaps
<matti> workmad3: ;]
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<workmad3> it's why something like bundler is nice, IMO... you don't distribute all the various gems, you simply provide a mechanism by which the user can build their own completed app (which could easily be non-distributable because it contains incompatible licences)
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<workmad3> andrewvos: the other option - you could wrap the .jar up into a suitable gem container, release that under the apache2 licence with suitable credit given to the original authors
<workmad3> andrewvos: and then simply declare that as a gem dependency ;)
<andrewvos> hahah that's not a bad idea :)
<workmad3> no idea what you'd need to do for that though... I've not wrapped any jars up as gems
<andrewvos> workmad3++
<andrewvos> HAHAHA
<andrewvos> Aww that's amazing
<andrewvos> It's already done
<workmad3> :D
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<andrewvos> Wow it has a really useful wrapper too
<workmad3> cool :)
<workmad3> now slap a MIT or apache2 licence on your gem and release it :P
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<andrewvos> But I don't need a licence :)
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<andrewvos> Hmmm, `bundle gem monkeys` now adds MIT LICENCE.txt.
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<workmad3> andrewvos: if you plan on anyone else being able to (legally) use the gem then you need a licence :P
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<samholmes> pastie: hi!
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<naquad> i need to loop through all possibilities of boolean matrix 4x4, can i somehow generate it with ruby? i've tried [[[true, false] * 4] * 4].combinations(4).to_a - but that didn't help :(
<naquad> *combination
<rue> Permutations?
<naquad> rue, did work out :(
<naquad> *didn't
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<heftig> naquad: [true,false].repeated_permutation(16).map { |x| x.each_slice(4).to_a }.each { |x| p x }
<heftig> naquad: [true,false].repeated_permutation(4).to_a.repeated_permutation(4).each { |x| p x }
<heftig> both work
<heftig> the latter is probably better
<naquad> heftig, thank you!
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<andrewvos> rue: What's a cool place I can go on the eurostar for a weekend from London?
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<zenspider> darix: um... what's spawn-fcgi?
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