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<krzbrg> how does one surpress the join/quit messages on Freenode?
<drbrain> krzbrg: my client has a setting
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<krzbrg> yeah, I had a setting on my client as well but I'm using the web client
<Aria> "you don't"
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<andrewvos> irssi can do it
<krzbrg> +D
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<erikh> drbrain: do you know where in the ruby openssl glue OpenSSL::SSL::SSLContext is defined?
<erikh> looks like in the C, but I'm having a hard time finding it
<erikh> of course I find it like 10 seconds after I ask
<erikh> sorry
<wnd> that's how irc works
<ged> Heh, so true.
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<erikh> holy crap this openssl code scares me
<erikh> "want to see how much mutable state I can put in a single file?"
<Aria> Oh yes.
<Aria> It's like exploit a day in there.
<Aria> And horror a minute.
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<erikh> yeah, I found the jumping point for the callback I need, but the object I care about comes from an indirect store; an X509 context
<erikh> it is thoughtfully named 'ctx'
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<erikh> and since everything comes through indirection via openssl, it's next to impossible to find out where it got created or mapped
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<krzbrg> what is the best way to render a few ERB files at once?
<krzbrg> example: filling out variables in HAML templates and SASS partials from a database
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<krzbrg> hm
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<elux> hey guys
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<elux> i was wondering if its possible to get the binding of the area that made a method call without using a block and doing block.binding .. ?
<elux> like going back in the strack trace and getting that binding..
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<swarley> there is a gem for that
<swarley> but it doesnt always work
<elux> doesnt always work
<elux> ?
<swarley> Uhm, in MRI it depends on a thread that is hidden by default
<swarley> so you would have to rebuild your interpreter
<elux> yea.. thats not ideal..
<elux> well, thx.. thought id ask anyways
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<krzbrg> thing = ['index.html.erb', 'style.css.erb.', 'script.js.erb']
<krzbrg> why does thing.slice!(".erb") throw a "...can't convert String to Integer" error?
<steveklabnik> because slice takes an integer
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<steveklabnik> did you mean thing.map{|t| t.slice!(".erb") } ?
<steveklabnik> or maybe even thing = thing.collect{|t| t.slice} ?
<steveklabnik> (".erb") :p
<krzbrg> hm
<krzbrg> I was trying to remove the ".erb" from each item in the array
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<steveklabnik> right
<steveklabnik> array.slice does not do that
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<krzbrg> I must have misunderstood "Deletes the specified portion from str, and returns the portion deleted." then
<krzbrg> anyway, your code worked
<krzbrg> thank you
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<steveklabnik> no
<steveklabnik> what you misunderstand
<steveklabnik> is that string and array BOTH have a slice method
<steveklabnik> that description is the one for String
<steveklabnik> check out thing.slice!(".erb")
<steveklabnik> run thing.class
<steveklabnik> you'll see Array, not STring
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<steveklabnik> my code then calls each on the array, yielding each string, then calling slice! on that string
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<krzbrg> ah! that makes sense
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<krzbrg> the documentation makes a lot more sense now, too
<krzbrg> thank you
<steveklabnik> p :)
<steveklabnik> np
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<krzbrg> is anyone in New York?
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<judofyr> whitequark: retweets :)
<gnufied> apeiros: or one can simple use, https://launchpad.net/~brightbox/+archive/ruby-ng
<gnufied> simply*
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<Wejq> Hi, i am kinda new to ruby, but i have a question that i cant answer myself using google.
<Wejq> in which circumstances i get something like this: #<StringIO:0x00000000edaf58> ?
<gnufied> when you have a instance of StringIO object
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<TTilus> Wejq: you are most probably calling #display on an instance of StringIO
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<Wejq> i've got function that gets <title> from page that i specify
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<Wejq> i get that when i specify page which hasn't got <title> or it's like adress of picture
<Wejq> then i get such thing
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<TTilus> Wejq: try #to_s
<TTilus> Wejq: i.e. your_function_to_retrieve_title('http://the/page').to_s
<judofyr> TTilus: Wejq: I think it's better to use .read instead
<judofyr> it might return other IO instances
<TTilus> ah, sorry, #read of course
<judofyr> TTilus: also, StringIO#to_s returns #inspect
<judofyr> TTilus: StringIO#string returns the string
<gnufied> I like this game.
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<bosie> why would i not be able to interrupt a ruby app on the console with ^c? it just goes on. ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20 revision 35410) [x86_64-darwin11.4.0]
<gnufied> some good guy is handling interrupts in your code
<bosie> hmm
<bosie> it ain't me so i guess it has to be some plugin
<gnufied> rails ?
<gnufied> thin?
<bosie> no
<bosie> no
<judofyr> bosie: (1) someone could be overriding the TERM-interupt (2) it might be stuck in some magic C code
<Wejq> http://pastie.org/5136687 - how to make exception for such things when <title> doesnt occur
<bosie> gnufied: json, set, nokogiri, date, benchmark are the only gems i use
<gnufied> are you using nokogiri to fetch pages?
<gnufied> it is still odd one.
<Wejq> no i don't
<gnufied> no, no, not for you. the question was for bosie
<Wejq> open-uri
<Wejq> ah, sry xD
<judofyr> Wejq: ah, yes. open-uri returns an IO object
<bosie> gnufied: no, i parse strings i pass it to
<judofyr> Wejq: URI.parse(page).open returns an IO object
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<judofyr> Wejq: URI.parse(page).open is the last call in the method, so whatever that returns is returned by the method
<judofyr> Wejq: adding "return nil" at the bottom should make it return nil instead
<gnufied> bosie: in a nutshell, see if you are using rescue Exception , because that will capture intrrupts as well
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<gnufied> bosie: people still rescue Exception class unfortunately, which is really bad, but some gems and user code still does that
<gnufied> not saying, that is the case here. but that is another way interrupts can be "accidently" handled
<judofyr> Wejq: I'd do something like this: http://pastie.org/private/bndlmqwdn20vwmyuyw4bw
<gnufied> bosie: in anycase, will be interested to learn your findings
<judofyr> Wejq: IO#each and IO#each_line are synonyms; I just like to use each_line to make it clear that it's per-line
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<bosie> gnufied: shit, you are right, i use that
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<rue|w> $ touch ä && ruby -e 'Dir.foreach(".") {|f| p(f) if f =~ /ä/ }' # => No output
<rue|w> #encoding doesn’t help, either. Anyone recall this?
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<apeiros_> rue|w: KC vs KD normalization of unicode
<apeiros_> same unicode codepoint but different binary representation
<apeiros_> ugly that ruby considers them to be !=
<jaska> osx does batshit insane normalization
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<apeiros_> jaska: um, don't blame that on osx
<rue|w> Aha—solutions?
<apeiros_> KC and KD are both correct ways to encode unicode
<apeiros_> rue|w: I'm not aware of normalization handling in plain ruby. the unicode gem has some methods.
<rue|w> Looks like Rails too…
<apeiros_> yes, rails also does
<rue|w> Ta
<apeiros_> might be worth bringing that up in the oniguruma mailing list
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<apeiros_> "ä" =~ /ä/ should IMO be true regardless of KC/KD normalization
<apeiros_> oh, btw., "13:07 apeiros_: same unicode codepoint but different binary representation" that was actually wrong. KD uses 2 codepoints, KC only 1.
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<manveru> anybody know how to get $RANDOM in dash? :P
<manveru> that shell is gonna drive me insane one of these days
<apeiros_> use the xkcd approach
<apeiros_> (helpful, I know)
<manveru> ...
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<manveru> oh cool, they recommend using rand() in awk
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<wnd> one of the usual methods involves dd, /dev/random, md5sum and sed. considering that using awk would make sense.
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<ddfreyne> manveru: why do you use dash?
<manveru> ddfreyne: forced to write some script that has to run on default debuntu installs
<manveru> and it is executed with dash
<manveru> :(
<ddfreyne> ah yes
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<manveru> looks like awk srand() is initialized with epoch
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<judofyr> manveru: how random does it need to be? sh -c 'echo $$' :D
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<jMCg> alias not-very-good-rand=":|awk 'END{srand() ; print rand() }'"
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<manveru> i can seed with /dev/random
<manveru> good enough for now
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<manveru> eventually i'll just write a damn go binary to do this stuff
<manveru> whoever is responsible for dash better not cross my path :|
<andrewvos> I have taken the day off because I'm feeling sick. What should I do with my day internet?
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<manveru> r/AskReddit
<gnufied> you mean, this isn't reddit?
<manveru> too little aaaw
<andrewvos> ;/
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<gnufied> andrewvos: contribute to ActiveSupport. add some more methods to Array class
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<gnufied> *on serious note*
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<manveru> implement base24 encoding in dash, there goes your day
<judofyr> manveru: sounds … fun
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<andrewvos> gnufied: Array.seventeenth?
<gnufied> thats a start
<judofyr> andrewvos: implement something cool
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<andrewvos> It's my day off, writing code would be sad.
<tsou> andrewvos: IRC'ing about what to do with it seems sadder :P
<andrewvos> tsou: Hah yeah
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<zzak> andrewvos: try going outside
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<zzak> feeling sick? fresh air and exercise ftw
<lianj> now thats just insane
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<masterkorp> andrewvos: dude, go slaw so mudding
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<masterkorp> my way to spend the weekend
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<jaska> lolsuspension
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<xalei> sorry about the spammy logging in and out and stuff =/
<xalei> I'm good now though
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<judofyr> xalei: 16:05 xalei has left IRC (Quit: Leaving) :D
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<xalei> xD that was a whoopsie haha
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<judofyr> ;)
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<xalei> I mean... yes! You are paying attention... you pass the test
<xalei> haha
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<reactormonk> xalei, I like the smartfilter of weechat :>
<xalei> ah
<judofyr> I've just learnt to ignore join/lefts
<xalei> well, I'm new here =) so hi
<judofyr> hi xalei :)
<judofyr> doing lots of Ruby?
<xalei> no I'm new to it
<judofyr> ah, know any other languages?
<xalei> I'm going to try and build something to try and impress a guy to get a job =) so wish me luck haha
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<xalei> I've done a fair bit of Django and PHP
<xalei> Java/c++ to a lesser extent
<xalei> reactormonk, thanks btw, weechat looks good
<judofyr> well, then I guess that most of Ruby won't come as a surprise
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<xalei> the thing that got me was installing it xD
<reactormonk> xalei, apt-get install ruby ?
<xalei> using rvm
<judofyr> xalei: heh, the first time is always tricky
<reactormonk> xalei, maybe overkill
<injekt> reactormonk: i hope people never do that
<judofyr> Ubuntu/Debian Ruby is kinda … limited
<xalei> yeah you're probably right, but I think getting my head around it will pay off in the end... I understand why it exists, and I do kinda like it
<judofyr> crippled*
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<injekt> judofyr: got there before I could correct it :)
<xalei> really?
<injekt> xalei: installing ruby through a package manager like aptitude is beyond broken
<injekt> xalei: you've done it fine :)
<xalei> thanks xD
<judofyr> xalei: Debian's packages e.g. split out everything. so if you run "apt-get install ruby" you don't get irb or rubygems or openssl or whatever
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<judofyr> they also muck around with rubygems instead of just using the regular one
<xalei> ah yeah
<injekt> and probably some old ruby version
<judofyr> injekt: well, although the version is called ruby1.9.1 it's actually 1.9.3 :)
<judofyr> because 1.9.3 is compatible with 1.9.1
<xalei> yeah I have irb and ri and such, type rvm | head -1 doesn't return that it's a function though =/
<injekt> xalei: if you have rvm issues, try #rvm I prefer rbenv myself
* xalei rolls eyes
<xalei> dammit lol xD
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<judofyr> xalei: #rvm is pretty good
<xalei> why do you prefer it?
<injekt> I dont like rvm loading as a function, and I like simplicity, rbenv uses shims and you just add it to your PATH
<injekt> just a personal preference, rvm is good too
<judofyr> I also kinda think that rbenv is a cleaner implementation, but I still use rvm because it just works for me
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<xalei> cool, I'll keep it in mind for further down the track if there's any reason to change then I guess
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<xalei> so much to get my head around xD
<judofyr> xalei: what platform btw?
<xalei> I'm using xmonad for tiling management, and it feels pretty good... I miss it when I switch OS
<gnufied> I use ^ on all our ubuntu servers, works like a champ
<xalei> Ubuntu 12.04
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<injekt> xalei: yeah just use something that's going to get you up and running, rvm is fine.. the most important thing is to just start writing and running ruby code
<xalei> gnufied, thanks
<xalei> injekt, absolutely xD I'm about to start, I want to do it TDD-style as well
<gnufied> better than gangnam style
<xalei> roflysst xD
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<judofyr> xalei: I'd recommend MiniTest if you want a simple test framework.
<injekt> +1
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<judofyr> xalei: although RSpec has nice syntax, it can be kinda magic.
<judofyr> you shouldn't need to fight against your testing framework when learning :)
<xalei> hmm
<xalei> wow thanks guys xD this is why I logged on here
<gnufied> plus MiniTest author is always on #ruby-lang to beat you blue, if you stray
<xalei> awesome
<injekt> about stuff not regarding minitest, too
<injekt> just.. just dont talk to him
<judofyr> hehe
<darix> so we can punch xalei now?
<xalei> xD
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<injekt> he can now be bullied, yes
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<xalei> if anyone knows a good TDD guide let me know
<rippa> nifty
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<judofyr> hachiya: any reason why JRuby 1.7 is failing a lot on RubySpec?
<judofyr> damn
<judofyr> headius:: any reason why JRuby 1.7 is failing a lot on RubySpec?
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<judofyr> hachiya: sorry! wrong name!
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<zzak> judofyr: to summon headius you have to say jruby 3 times
<judofyr> jrubbety jrub jruby
<headius> hello
<headius> judofyr: well, we do have a number of specs tagged, just like rubinius
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<zzak> it always works
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<reactormonk> headius, looks like 5-10% to me
<headius> that's probably fair
<headius> we don't spin our wheels on test suites as much as we try to keep up with user reports
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<rcassidy> hi all! is it possible to read output from a process started with IO#popen before that process terminates&flushes?
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<manveru> rcassidy: not before it flushes
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<rcassidy> manveru: word. just figured it out -
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<rcassidy> it takes an extra command flag to get tcpdump to flush each line >.<
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<manveru> :)
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<sent_hil> When I set an instance var in a module, where exactly is it stored?
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<apeiros> in the module
<apeiros> modules are objects too
<havenn> sent_hil: In a struct on the module for cruby.
<sent_hil> apeiros: so in the same class that class instance vars are stored?
<drbrain> no
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<drbrain> classes are subclasses of modules, (but modules have class variables)
<sent_hil> *same place
<sent_hil> drbrain: you can declare @@var in a module?
<drbrain> sent_hil: yes
<drbrain> sent_hil: instance variables are just part of all the non-immediate objects (Fixnum, true, false, nil)
<drbrain> as are class variables
<sent_hil> drbrain: i don't understand how class vars can be part of an object, aren't they part of the class, hence the name?
<drbrain> sent_hil: class variables are part of the object through it's class
<drbrain> (a module's class is class Module)
<sent_hil> drbrain: right, i'm reading about the internals of ruby and am curious where exactly a module class var is stored
<sent_hil> iv_tbl in rb_classext_struct stores the module level instance vars apparently
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<sent_hil> doesn't say anything about class vars location
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<drbrain> if you're looking at the internals, RClass and RModule are the same struct
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<drbrain> and they're stored in iv_tbl alongside instance variables, but as rb_intern("@@cvar_name")
<drbrain> see cvar_lookup_at()
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<sent_hil> drbrain: awesome, thx
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<drbrain> sent_hil: in other places, items are stored in the iv_tbl as rb_intern("plain_name"), but none come immediately to mind
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<sent_hil> drbrain: is there even a RModule struct?
<drbrain> sent_hil: no
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<andrewvos> This is interesting https://www.webscript.io
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<epitron> hah
<epitron> node.js as a service?
<epitron> neat idea
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<epitron> hahah... their cronjobs just request an URL on your script every n hours
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<epitron> i can see this catching on for a large class of apps
<epitron> they should let people make plugins too, like on heroku, so users get advanced services as their app grows
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<epitron> also: needs more coffeescript
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<epitron> wait, this is lua! :O
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<andrewvos> heh
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<xalei> .
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